Uncovered: a tale of two colleges
CALUM MACDONALD and ANDREW DENHOLM
Their brochures show New York skylines and top-quality campuses. The reality is very different, as Calum Macdonald and Andrew Denholm reveal:
COMMONWEALTH COLLEGE
GLASGOW has never looked so good. In fact, it has never looked like this at all.
The prospectus for the Commonwealth College Glasgow has been designed to showcase both the institution and the city in which it is based, which is why an unsuspecting student could find it confusing.
The picture on the front of the prospectus is not of George Square but the Gothic Grand Place in Brussels.
Inside there is a photograph of a park, which at first glance could be Kelvingrove. Take a second glance and the Manhattan skyline is discernible.
Then there is the photograph of the sprawling green campus which looks more like a Highland estate than the rough-and-ready warehouse district of Tradeston south of the River Clyde.
Even a photograph of the modern-looking college, all glass and clean lines, bears no resemblance to the actual
college, a crumbling turn-of-the-century sandstone building in Kingston Street which has seen better days.
Nonetheless, Commonwealth College Glasgow
does have genuine students, mostly from Pakistan, India and Nigeria, and it does run classes and exams.
It was created by Iram Iqbal, a 29-year-old graduate of Glasgow Caledonian University from Partick who told The Herald she started the college with money from her savings.
She is currently on maternity leave and her cousin, Umbreen Iqbal, 25, is running the college. She lives in Jordanhill in Glasgow.
Both cousins said the college had been operating for two-and-a-half years but according to official documents from Companies House it was registered as a business only in June last year.
Umbreen Iqbal yesterday showed The Herald around the college, which occupies four storeys and includes numerous small classrooms and a library with an odd assortment of books, such as Wilbur Smith novels and a copy of Murder on the Orient Express.
Umbreen Iqbal said the college was offering only HNC and HND courses and not degree-level programmes.
Yet the prospectus informs students they can choose from a number of undergraduate courses, including a BA (Hons) in accounting and finance and also postgraduate degrees, including an MA in human resource management.
The college website address is www.gcwc.ac. The web addresses of all officially recognised universities and colleges in the UK end with the suffix ac.uk'. The ac' suffix on Commonwealth College's website is the internet country code for the Ascension Islands, where the web address for the Glasgow college is based.
The website itself includes a section called "accreditation/registration" which lists a number of professional organisations, including their logos.
Two of those organisations are the Association of Chartered Certified Accountants (ACCA) and the Chartered Institute of Management Accountants (CIMA), to which it specifically states that it is affiliated. However, a spokeswoman for CIMA said this was not the case.
She said: "They are not registered as a CIMA learning tuition provider and should not be using the CIMA logo and we have now advised them to remove that from their website."
A spokesman for ACCA added: "Commonwealth College is not one of our affiliated colleges and they are not entitled to be using our logo."
Another institution listed as an affiliate is the University of Newcastle, which is not based in the north-east of England, but instead in the north-west of the United States in Portland, Oregon. According to the state authorities, the University of New Castle (as it is sometimes referred to on its website), is operating illegally in the state of Oregon.
The other college investigated by The Herald, the Great Regent College, also claims affiliation with this institution.
Umbreen Iqbal insisted Commonwealth College was a legitimate institution. She said: "We have nothing to hide. I know of four or five different private colleges in Glasgow which I have checked out and which did not look good.
"It is difficult for us when there are Mickey Mouse colleges out there. It doesn't help those, like ourselves, who are doing things legitimately."
GREAT REGENT COLLEGE
THE Great Regent College
is a grand sounding instit-ution which boasts of a worldwide reputation for academic excellence.
The first port of call for potential students is the college website, which is full of information about the centre, its staff and facilities.
In particular, the college is very proud of its campus, which it claims "has a uniquely harmonious blend of rich, historic buildings and modern, innovative facilities".
In fact, Great Regent College is based up a close in a grubby second-floor apartment in Glasgow's Sauchiehall Street, and its name does not even feature on the security door buzzer at street level.
The Herald was welcomed into the "college" yesterday by Wasim Hashmi, who said he was the college co-ordinator.
Mr Hashmi said the owner was a Mr Akhtar, who was unavailable. Nevertheless, Mr Hashmi willingly gave a tour of the "college", which comprises two large rooms and a few smaller ones.
Of particular interest was the computer lab, which it is claimed on the website is "fully equipped with latest versions of computers" and the library which the college said is "equipped with all necessary books and relevant materials enabling students to carry out their research work".
The lab is nothing more than eight outdated Dell computers and the library a small collection of seemingly random books, few of which have anything to do with computers or IT.
Nevertheless, the greatest asset of any institution is not bricks and mortar, nor books and computers, but its staff.
Again, the Great Regent College is very proud of its staff. It claims: "We understand that highly professional and trained teachers are extremely essential for the prospective students to educate them outstandingly using modern teaching techniques.
"For this purpose we have hired highly professional and experienced teaching staff to meet the higher standards of teaching requirements."
However, when asked about this Mr Hashmi said the college was merely "in the process of recruiting staff" and said so far the faculty was made up of two English language teachers and two IT teachers.
Of the discrepancy between the description of the "harmonious blend of rich, historic buildings" and the reality of a second-floor flat, Mr Hashmi said: "We were wanting to build on Pollokshaws Road. We were almost in a final deal, then the deal was denied, so we came here and got this."
When quizzed how many students had passed through Great Regent College, he said: "We have not started yet, we are brand new.
"We have recently registered with the Department for Education and Skills, we work very hard to try to start up in September."
Yet on the college's website it claims that many students have passed through the college, graduated and are now pursuing successful careers. It states: "Great Regent College which is known as a name of excellence and an academic resort. The Great Regent College has received recognition throughout the United Kingdom for its excellence in
liberal arts, research, technology, business and hospitality management. Employers
consistently marvel how GRC graduates are able to hit the ground running, making a GRC degree worth more in the marketplace."
How a college which has yet to admit any students can also boast of employers being consistently marvelled by its graduates is not explained.
Neither is it explained how the college is going to cope with running no fewer than 141 undergraduate degree programmes in everything from clinical genetics, molecular medicine and mathematics to philosophy, fine art and law from premises up a close.
Just how the horses, presumably essential for those Great Regent College undergraduates studying for the BSc (Hons) in Equine Sports Science, are going to manage up two flights of stairs remains a mystery.
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Posted by: Garry, Scotland on 7:09am Sat 7 Jul 07
An investigation should also be made of that other cash cow - Assessment Centres offering Scottish Vocational Qualifications (SVQ).
An SVQ is a qualification undertaken when you are in full time work, they are offered in many subjects from catering to business to social care. Many companies contract this out private assessment centres and all they have to do is meet the minimum standards set down by the Scottish Qualifications Authority. A Standard Grade, a HNC and a degree indicate the level the candidate has passed at. Not so with an SVQ and it's not a pass or a fail, you keep going until you are deemed competent. The growth area for the private sector is Social Care e.g. staff in children's homes; older peoples homes; working with learning disabled users etc because eventually everyone in social work will have to be registered by law as a qualified social care worker. The standard of work staff have to produce differs from centre to centre, some are producing work that shouldn't be passed, others are working to second year degree level and yet both get exactly the same qualification because as long as a center meets the minimum SQA standards, they don't want to know. An employer can't tell from a SVQ how competent a staff member really is. It's all about the money, churn them through and get your cash, who cares about the people these candidates will be looking after.
Investigate the standards between different assessment centres and it will throw up and badly regulated SVQ's are.
An investigation should also be made of that other cash cow - Assessment Centres offering Scottish Vocational Qualifications (SVQ).
An SVQ is a qualification undertaken when you are in full time work, they are offered in many subjects from catering to business to social care. Many companies contract this out private assessment centres and all they have to do is meet the minimum standards set down by the Scottish Qualifications Authority. A Standard Grade, a HNC and a degree indicate the level the candidate has passed at. Not so with an SVQ and it's not a pass or a fail, you keep going until you are deemed competent. The growth area for the private sector is Social Care e.g. staff in children's homes; older peoples homes; working with learning disabled users etc because eventually everyone in social work will have to be registered by law as a qualified social care worker. The standard of work staff have to produce differs from centre to centre, some are producing work that shouldn't be passed, others are working to second year degree level and yet both get exactly the same qualification because as long as a center meets the minimum SQA standards, they don't want to know. An employer can't tell from a SVQ how competent a staff member really is. It's all about the money, churn them through and get your cash, who cares about the people these candidates will be looking after.
Investigate the standards between different assessment centres and it will throw up and badly regulated SVQ's are.
Posted by: Dougie Douglas, Brisbane on 10:56am Sat 7 Jul 07
I graduated three years ago from Great Regent College with a double major in Applied Physics and Philosophy and am now the Managing Director of one of the largest companies in Australia.
This article article speaks volumes about prejudice against Muslims and little about the academic excellence of this fine institution
I graduated three years ago from Great Regent College with a double major in Applied Physics and Philosophy and am now the Managing Director of one of the largest companies in Australia.
This article article speaks volumes about prejudice against Muslims and little about the academic excellence of this fine institution
Posted by: Brian Reid, Glasgow on 11:57am Sat 7 Jul 07
[quote][bold]Dougie Douglas[/bold] wrote:
I graduated three years ago from Great Regent College with a double major in Applied Physics and Philosophy and am now the Managing Director of one of the largest companies in Australia.
This article article speaks volumes about prejudice against Muslims and little about the academic excellence of this fine institution[/quote] A double major in applied physics and philosophy? Now the managing director of one of the largest companies in Australia?
Please give more details. I don't believe you.
The article does not speak volumes of prejudice against muslims. It speaks volumes against the con game run by some people that seriously harms the excellent accademic reputation of Scottish educational institutions. EVERYONE involved in education knows that a qualification from somewhere like Greak Regent College is not worth the paper it is photocopied onto. (hold it up to the light 'Dougier Douglas' and you will see the distinctive watermark of Mickey Mouse.
What does speak volumes is your use of the race card. Are you related to the prople who run this con?
Dougie Douglas wrote:
I graduated three years ago from Great Regent College with a double major in Applied Physics and Philosophy and am now the Managing Director of one of the largest companies in Australia.
This article article speaks volumes about prejudice against Muslims and little about the academic excellence of this fine institution
A double major in applied physics and philosophy? Now the managing director of one of the largest companies in Australia?
Please give more details. I don't believe you.
The article does not speak volumes of prejudice against muslims. It speaks volumes against the con game run by some people that seriously harms the excellent accademic reputation of Scottish educational institutions. EVERYONE involved in education knows that a qualification from somewhere like Greak Regent College is not worth the paper it is photocopied onto. (hold it up to the light 'Dougier Douglas' and you will see the distinctive watermark of Mickey Mouse.
What does speak volumes is your use of the race card. Are you related to the prople who run this con?
Posted by: Brian Reid, Glasgow on 12:15pm Sat 7 Jul 07
I almost forgot 'Dougie Douglas' - the graduate with a double major (an american term) in appled physics and philosophy.
How did you manage that when the college hasn't actually started - it hasn't moved into its two room flat in Pollockshaws road!
If this wasn't such an obvious con it would be funny.
As for being "prejudiced against Muslims" - 'Dougie' I know several Muslim graduates who really do have excellent qualification from Scottish Universities who would be DISGUSTED at your defense of this con game.
'Dougie Douglas' I bet your IP address is Glasgow South Side - would the Herald technical staff please check.
"When quizzed how many students had passed through Great Regent College, he said: "We have not started yet, we are brand new.
"We have recently registered with the Department for Education and Skills, we work very hard to try to start up in September.""
I almost forgot 'Dougie Douglas' - the graduate with a double major (an american term) in appled physics and philosophy.
How did you manage that when the college hasn't actually started - it hasn't moved into its two room flat in Pollockshaws road!
If this wasn't such an obvious con it would be funny.
As for being "prejudiced against Muslims" - 'Dougie' I know several Muslim graduates who really do have excellent qualification from Scottish Universities who would be DISGUSTED at your defense of this con game.
'Dougie Douglas' I bet your IP address is Glasgow South Side - would the Herald technical staff please check.
"When quizzed how many students had passed through Great Regent College, he said: "We have not started yet, we are brand new.
"We have recently registered with the Department for Education and Skills, we work very hard to try to start up in September.""
Posted by: Chris, Glasgow on 12:28pm Sat 7 Jul 07
Sorry Dougie - I think it's awful that your credibility should be attacked by someone from Glasgow. I think he's kidding. I hope he's kidding. Oh god maybe he's being serious - unlike you.
Sorry Dougie - I think it's awful that your credibility should be attacked by someone from Glasgow. I think he's kidding. I hope he's kidding. Oh god maybe he's being serious - unlike you.
Posted by: Brian Reid, Glasgow on 12:37pm Sat 7 Jul 07
[quote][bold]Chris[/bold] wrote:
Sorry Dougie - I think it's awful that your credibility should be attacked by someone from Glasgow. I think he's kidding. I hope he's kidding. Oh god maybe he's being serious - unlike you.[/quote] Chris - so you think 'Dougie Douglas' is spoofing? Unfortunately not - this university up a close in Pollockshaws Road does indeed offer a range of degree and postgraduate courses.
You may think this is a funny little thread - I don't.
What is your point about me coming from Glasgow?
Chris wrote:
Sorry Dougie - I think it's awful that your credibility should be attacked by someone from Glasgow. I think he's kidding. I hope he's kidding. Oh god maybe he's being serious - unlike you.
Chris - so you think 'Dougie Douglas' is spoofing? Unfortunately not - this university up a close in Pollockshaws Road does indeed offer a range of degree and postgraduate courses.
You may think this is a funny little thread - I don't.
What is your point about me coming from Glasgow?
Posted by: Chris, Glasgow on 12:43pm Sat 7 Jul 07
Brian - even the 'college' owners don't claim to have been in existence 3 years ago when Dougie 'graduated'. He was being ironic for god's sake in view of the fact that not even a radical Imam would claim these people needed to be defended.
I mentioned Glasgow where we are as I hate to think that the Aussies have a better sense of humour than us.
Brian - even the 'college' owners don't claim to have been in existence 3 years ago when Dougie 'graduated'. He was being ironic for god's sake in view of the fact that not even a radical Imam would claim these people needed to be defended.
I mentioned Glasgow where we are as I hate to think that the Aussies have a better sense of humour than us.
Posted by: Bob Shaw, Glasgow on 1:09pm Sat 7 Jul 07
Purely on a factual note, the plural of 'SVQ' certainly isn't 'SVQ's', as used by Garry. If we are to comment on educational standards then please can we get our spelling and punctuation right? Or at least, right enough not to grate...
Bob Shaw
Purely on a factual note, the plural of 'SVQ' certainly isn't 'SVQ's', as used by Garry. If we are to comment on educational standards then please can we get our spelling and punctuation right? Or at least, right enough not to grate...
Bob Shaw
Posted by: Brian Reid, Glasgow on 1:28pm Sat 7 Jul 07
[quote][bold]Chris[/bold] wrote:
Brian - even the \'college\' owners don\'t claim to have been in existence 3 years ago when Dougie \'graduated\'. He was being ironic for god\'s sake in view of the fact that not even a radical Imam would claim these people needed to be defended.
I mentioned Glasgow where we are as I hate to think that the Aussies have a better sense of humour than us.[/quote] Chris - actually they do claim to have been in existence for years!
Have you actually read the article? Perhaps you should read it again before commenting.
They claim successful graduates who have impressed employers so much that one of their degrees is highly sought after. They do claim to have people in executive positions.
They take money for degree/post graduate courses that don't exist.
'Dougie Douglas' isn't spoofing he is spouting the line from the 'College' - your confusion lies in the fact that the entire GREAT REGENT COLLEGE is a con game and therefore impossible to spoof. What 'Dougie' is saying is what is on their web site.
These people have happily been taking money off people for years.
"Yet on the college's website it claims that many students have passed through the college, graduated and are now pursuing successful careers. It states: "Great Regent College which is known as a name of excellence and an academic resort. The Great Regent College has received recognition throughout the United Kingdom for its excellence in liberal arts, research, technology, business and hospitality management. Employers consistently marvel how GRC graduates are able to hit the ground running, making a GRC degree worth more in the marketplace."
Chris wrote:
Brian - even the \'college\' owners don\'t claim to have been in existence 3 years ago when Dougie \'graduated\'. He was being ironic for god\'s sake in view of the fact that not even a radical Imam would claim these people needed to be defended.
I mentioned Glasgow where we are as I hate to think that the Aussies have a better sense of humour than us.
Chris - actually they do claim to have been in existence for years!
Have you actually read the article? Perhaps you should read it again before commenting.
They claim successful graduates who have impressed employers so much that one of their degrees is highly sought after. They do claim to have people in executive positions.
They take money for degree/post graduate courses that don't exist.
'Dougie Douglas' isn't spoofing he is spouting the line from the 'College' - your confusion lies in the fact that the entire GREAT REGENT COLLEGE is a con game and therefore impossible to spoof. What 'Dougie' is saying is what is on their web site.
These people have happily been taking money off people for years.
"Yet on the college's website it claims that many students have passed through the college, graduated and are now pursuing successful careers. It states: "Great Regent College which is known as a name of excellence and an academic resort. The Great Regent College has received recognition throughout the United Kingdom for its excellence in liberal arts, research, technology, business and hospitality management. Employers consistently marvel how GRC graduates are able to hit the ground running, making a GRC degree worth more in the marketplace."
Posted by: Harry Wood, Edinburgh on 2:01pm Sat 7 Jul 07
[quote][bold]Bob Shaw[/bold] wrote:
Purely on a factual note, the plural of 'SVQ' certainly isn't 'SVQ's', as used by Garry. If we are to comment on educational standards then please can we get our spelling and punctuation right? Or at least, right enough not to grate...
Bob Shaw[/quote] An utterly worthless contribution.
You have nothing to say about the subject other than an anal comment about the plural of SVQ.
No wonder Scotland is ripe for con men to enter the educational market.
Bob - you might want to contact the Scottish Qualification Authority as they use the offending plural form.
http://secure.sqa.or
g.uk/sqa/7194.html?p
Style=plain
Not to mention-
http://www.fife.ac.u
k/student/courses/LE
USVQ
as well as several others.
Happy e-mailing.
Bob Shaw wrote:
Purely on a factual note, the plural of 'SVQ' certainly isn't 'SVQ's', as used by Garry. If we are to comment on educational standards then please can we get our spelling and punctuation right? Or at least, right enough not to grate...
Bob Shaw
An utterly worthless contribution.
You have nothing to say about the subject other than an anal comment about the plural of SVQ.
No wonder Scotland is ripe for con men to enter the educational market.
Bob - you might want to contact the Scottish Qualification Authority as they use the offending plural form.
http://secure.sqa.or
g.uk/sqa/7194.html?p
Style=plain
Not to mention-
http://www.fife.ac.u
k/student/courses/LE
USVQ
as well as several others.
Happy e-mailing.
Posted by: saira, Glasgow on 5:31pm Sat 7 Jul 07
My cuzin goes to Commonwealth College and she is doing very well there, exams and everything. I think you should really focus on the private colleges that are messin up people life. Middlesex college, Glasgow are willing to sell degree why not write about that or Able college, both which my cuzin went too.....
My cuzin goes to Commonwealth College and she is doing very well there, exams and everything. I think you should really focus on the private colleges that are messin up people life. Middlesex college, Glasgow are willing to sell degree why not write about that or Able college, both which my cuzin went too.....
Posted by: Harry Wood, Edinburgh on 7:27pm Sat 7 Jul 07
Saria - You 'cuzin' (sic) should think about the future - 'Commonwealth College' looks pretty dodgy. I foresee that their qualifications will be worthless before the end of the year.
Why didn't your 'cuzin' (sic) go to a genuine Glasgow college?
I will tell you - to take a shortcut.
Mickey Mouse colleges give out Mickey Mouse qualifications.
I worked untill recently in two colleges in Glasgow as a lecturer - part time and full time over about 10 years and have never heard of 'Commonwealth College' (or any of the others mentioned here).
Anyone who is frankly stupid enough to give these characters their money deserves what they get. All of Glasgow's GENUINE higher education institutions have programmes for overseas students - anyone who spends two minutes on line doing some research will know that.
I have to agree with some of the comments earlier. These 'colleges' are a sham and are a disgrace to Scotland. I would like to see them closed down tomorrow and all students informed that their qualifications are not worth the paper they are printed on.
It is indeed the reputation of Scottish education that is being dragged through the sewer - just so some money grabbing idiot in a smelly office Argyle street or Pollockshaws Road can scam a few pounds. Disgraceful!!!
Saria - You 'cuzin' (sic) should think about the future - 'Commonwealth College' looks pretty dodgy. I foresee that their qualifications will be worthless before the end of the year.
Why didn't your 'cuzin' (sic) go to a genuine Glasgow college?
I will tell you - to take a shortcut.
Mickey Mouse colleges give out Mickey Mouse qualifications.
I worked untill recently in two colleges in Glasgow as a lecturer - part time and full time over about 10 years and have never heard of 'Commonwealth College' (or any of the others mentioned here).
Anyone who is frankly stupid enough to give these characters their money deserves what they get. All of Glasgow's GENUINE higher education institutions have programmes for overseas students - anyone who spends two minutes on line doing some research will know that.
I have to agree with some of the comments earlier. These 'colleges' are a sham and are a disgrace to Scotland. I would like to see them closed down tomorrow and all students informed that their qualifications are not worth the paper they are printed on.
It is indeed the reputation of Scottish education that is being dragged through the sewer - just so some money grabbing idiot in a smelly office Argyle street or Pollockshaws Road can scam a few pounds. Disgraceful!!!
Posted by: saira, Glasgow on 8:47pm Sat 7 Jul 07
[quote][bold]Harry Wood[/bold] wrote:
Saria - You 'cuzin' (sic) should think about the future - 'Commonwealth College' looks pretty dodgy. I foresee that their qualifications will be worthless before the end of the year. Why didn't your 'cuzin' (sic) go to a genuine Glasgow college? I will tell you - to take a shortcut. Mickey Mouse colleges give out Mickey Mouse qualifications. I worked untill recently in two colleges in Glasgow as a lecturer - part time and full time over about 10 years and have never heard of 'Commonwealth College' (or any of the others mentioned here). Anyone who is frankly stupid enough to give these characters their money deserves what they get. All of Glasgow's GENUINE higher education institutions have programmes for overseas students - anyone who spends two minutes on line doing some research will know that. I have to agree with some of the comments earlier. These 'colleges' are a sham and are a disgrace to Scotland. I would like to see them closed down tomorrow and all students informed that their qualifications are not worth the paper they are printed on. It is indeed the reputation of Scottish education that is being dragged through the sewer - just so some money grabbing idiot in a smelly office Argyle street or Pollockshaws Road can scam a few pounds. Disgraceful!!![/quote] Harry my cuzin has now got entry to Cale uni and how cud u have heard of a college which has just established last year...... The thing is that these international students dont know what is legit and whats not.
Not everything u read is true Harry if som1 is trying to do the rite thing give them a chance. before you go an judge somthng look at both sides
You not doing this and making comments that you made is what is DISGRACEFUL
Harry Wood wrote:
Saria - You 'cuzin' (sic) should think about the future - 'Commonwealth College' looks pretty dodgy. I foresee that their qualifications will be worthless before the end of the year. Why didn't your 'cuzin' (sic) go to a genuine Glasgow college? I will tell you - to take a shortcut. Mickey Mouse colleges give out Mickey Mouse qualifications. I worked untill recently in two colleges in Glasgow as a lecturer - part time and full time over about 10 years and have never heard of 'Commonwealth College' (or any of the others mentioned here). Anyone who is frankly stupid enough to give these characters their money deserves what they get. All of Glasgow's GENUINE higher education institutions have programmes for overseas students - anyone who spends two minutes on line doing some research will know that. I have to agree with some of the comments earlier. These 'colleges' are a sham and are a disgrace to Scotland. I would like to see them closed down tomorrow and all students informed that their qualifications are not worth the paper they are printed on. It is indeed the reputation of Scottish education that is being dragged through the sewer - just so some money grabbing idiot in a smelly office Argyle street or Pollockshaws Road can scam a few pounds. Disgraceful!!!
Harry my cuzin has now got entry to Cale uni and how cud u have heard of a college which has just established last year...... The thing is that these international students dont know what is legit and whats not.
Not everything u read is true Harry if som1 is trying to do the rite thing give them a chance. before you go an judge somthng look at both sides
You not doing this and making comments that you made is what is DISGRACEFUL
Posted by: Kay on 9:45pm Sat 7 Jul 07
The Commonwealth College's website states that Glasgow is in South-EAST Scotland. It's wonder its students ever manage to find it.
Thankfully they don't seem to offer geography courses...
Also notice that in the principal's address, the principal is anonymous.
The Commonwealth College's website states that Glasgow is in South-EAST Scotland. It's wonder its students ever manage to find it.
Thankfully they don't seem to offer geography courses...
Also notice that in the principal's address, the principal is anonymous.
Posted by: Harry Wood, Edinburgh on 10:22pm Sat 7 Jul 07
[quote][bold]saira[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Harry Wood[/bold] wrote:
Saria - You \'cuzin\' (sic) should think about the future - \'Commonwealth College\' looks pretty dodgy. I foresee that their qualifications will be worthless before the end of the year. Why didn\'t your \'cuzin\' (sic) go to a genuine Glasgow college? I will tell you - to take a shortcut. Mickey Mouse colleges give out Mickey Mouse qualifications. I worked untill recently in two colleges in Glasgow as a lecturer - part time and full time over about 10 years and have never heard of \'Commonwealth College\' (or any of the others mentioned here). Anyone who is frankly stupid enough to give these characters their money deserves what they get. All of Glasgow\'s GENUINE higher education institutions have programmes for overseas students - anyone who spends two minutes on line doing some research will know that. I have to agree with some of the comments earlier. These \'colleges\' are a sham and are a disgrace to Scotland. I would like to see them closed down tomorrow and all students informed that their qualifications are not worth the paper they are printed on. It is indeed the reputation of Scottish education that is being dragged through the sewer - just so some money grabbing idiot in a smelly office Argyle street or Pollockshaws Road can scam a few pounds. Disgraceful!!![/quote] Harry my cuzin has now got entry to Cale uni and how cud u have heard of a college which has just established last year...... The thing is that these international students dont know what is legit and whats not.
Not everything u read is true Harry if som1 is trying to do the rite thing give them a chance. before you go an judge somthng look at both sides
You not doing this and making comments that you made is what is DISGRACEFUL[/quote] If someone wants to do the right thing they can enroll in an accredited college to gain qualifications. Every library has a list.
There are no two sides to look at - there should only be bona fide colleges and institutions licensed to accept or offer tuition to students.
It should not be left to chance - or to whoever wants to set up a 'university' up a close in Pollockshaws Road. Such Mickey Mouse set-ups are indeed dragging the reputation of Scottish education through the gutter.
Are you a graduate of one of the colleges we are discussing?
What comments made by me are disgraceful? Be specific.
saira wrote:
Harry Wood wrote:
Saria - You \'cuzin\' (sic) should think about the future - \'Commonwealth College\' looks pretty dodgy. I foresee that their qualifications will be worthless before the end of the year. Why didn\'t your \'cuzin\' (sic) go to a genuine Glasgow college? I will tell you - to take a shortcut. Mickey Mouse colleges give out Mickey Mouse qualifications. I worked untill recently in two colleges in Glasgow as a lecturer - part time and full time over about 10 years and have never heard of \'Commonwealth College\' (or any of the others mentioned here). Anyone who is frankly stupid enough to give these characters their money deserves what they get. All of Glasgow\'s GENUINE higher education institutions have programmes for overseas students - anyone who spends two minutes on line doing some research will know that. I have to agree with some of the comments earlier. These \'colleges\' are a sham and are a disgrace to Scotland. I would like to see them closed down tomorrow and all students informed that their qualifications are not worth the paper they are printed on. It is indeed the reputation of Scottish education that is being dragged through the sewer - just so some money grabbing idiot in a smelly office Argyle street or Pollockshaws Road can scam a few pounds. Disgraceful!!!
Harry my cuzin has now got entry to Cale uni and how cud u have heard of a college which has just established last year...... The thing is that these international students dont know what is legit and whats not.
Not everything u read is true Harry if som1 is trying to do the rite thing give them a chance. before you go an judge somthng look at both sides
You not doing this and making comments that you made is what is DISGRACEFUL
If someone wants to do the right thing they can enroll in an accredited college to gain qualifications. Every library has a list.
There are no two sides to look at - there should only be bona fide colleges and institutions licensed to accept or offer tuition to students.
It should not be left to chance - or to whoever wants to set up a 'university' up a close in Pollockshaws Road. Such Mickey Mouse set-ups are indeed dragging the reputation of Scottish education through the gutter.
Are you a graduate of one of the colleges we are discussing?
What comments made by me are disgraceful? Be specific.
Posted by: saira, Glasgow on 11:13pm Sat 7 Jul 07
I actually graduated in Caledonian University so there goes that theory of urz, and when u are abroad it is very hard to find out thse things. You only get to know once you are here what is the real thing and what is bogus
'Anyone who is frankly stupid enough to give these characters their money deserves what they get'
This is the comment you had made when som1 is desperte to get a betr education and spend that much money all they can go on is what is written, anywz no need to argue......
All I am saying is that as my cuzin did go to COmmonwealth College I wnt in ther once and there was classes ect so why not look at the ones that really are scum and are taking money of ppl that dont have any in the 1st place??????????
I actually graduated in Caledonian University so there goes that theory of urz, and when u are abroad it is very hard to find out thse things. You only get to know once you are here what is the real thing and what is bogus
'Anyone who is frankly stupid enough to give these characters their money deserves what they get'
This is the comment you had made when som1 is desperte to get a betr education and spend that much money all they can go on is what is written, anywz no need to argue......
All I am saying is that as my cuzin did go to COmmonwealth College I wnt in ther once and there was classes ect so why not look at the ones that really are scum and are taking money of ppl that dont have any in the 1st place??????????
Posted by: jani on 11:20pm Sat 7 Jul 07
i just read the tale of two colleges and then i read all the comments and i am wondering how this tale has made up by you first i viewed the website of Great Regent College and i was very much intrested in one of their BA degree for my cousin who is in india i phoned on college number and i spoke with a gentle man when i told him my intention that gentleman said we are not offering these course unless we dont get another building to have enough space to offer these courses. he said our management is working hard to get an other building for all undergraduate courses and in here we would only teach the Information Technology courses he also added that they are going to offer free english language classes for communities.he alos mentioned they are not open yet for public they are just recruiting admin and teaching staff.as for as money is concern its my personal opinion they are genuine and they are not of to money if there intention would have to make money they could made alot of money from me and also alot of more people like me.
on the other hand you wrote about a college name Commonwealth college. in my openion they are also doing well from past couple of years i dont know much about them but i am telling you my personal experience about the other college
i just read the tale of two colleges and then i read all the comments and i am wondering how this tale has made up by you first i viewed the website of Great Regent College and i was very much intrested in one of their BA degree for my cousin who is in india i phoned on college number and i spoke with a gentle man when i told him my intention that gentleman said we are not offering these course unless we dont get another building to have enough space to offer these courses. he said our management is working hard to get an other building for all undergraduate courses and in here we would only teach the Information Technology courses he also added that they are going to offer free english language classes for communities.he alos mentioned they are not open yet for public they are just recruiting admin and teaching staff.as for as money is concern its my personal opinion they are genuine and they are not of to money if there intention would have to make money they could made alot of money from me and also alot of more people like me.
on the other hand you wrote about a college name Commonwealth college. in my openion they are also doing well from past couple of years i dont know much about them but i am telling you my personal experience about the other college
Posted by: Harry Wood, Edinburgh on 11:31pm Sat 7 Jul 07
[quote][bold]saira[/bold] wrote:
I actually graduated in Caledonian University so there goes that theory of urz, and when u are abroad it is very hard to find out thse things. You only get to know once you are here what is the real thing and what is bogus
'Anyone who is frankly stupid enough to give these characters their money deserves what they get'
This is the comment you had made when som1 is desperte to get a betr education and spend that much money all they can go on is what is written, anywz no need to argue......
All I am saying is that as my cuzin did go to COmmonwealth College I wnt in ther once and there was classes ect so why not look at the ones that really are scum and are taking money of ppl that dont have any in the 1st place??????????[/quote] Scotland has a highly established educational system - a few minutes of research on the internet would allow anyone to know which colleges are genuine and which are bogus. A visit to the British Council web site would be an ideal start.
As I said in my last post - every library has a list.
It is astonishingly simple to determine where to study - where is worthwhile and where is quite frankly a joke.
So I repeat... anyone who is frankly stupid enough to give these characters their money deserves what they get.
Commonwealth College as described in the article in the Glasgow Herald is clearly somwhere anyone with half a brain would avoid.
Genuine Scottish educational establishments have more than a couple of rooms. They are large institutions with actual labs and libraries. They issue real degrees that are actually worth something.
The existence of flea pits like Commonwealth College (and all the rest) is a national disgrace.
saira wrote:
I actually graduated in Caledonian University so there goes that theory of urz, and when u are abroad it is very hard to find out thse things. You only get to know once you are here what is the real thing and what is bogus
'Anyone who is frankly stupid enough to give these characters their money deserves what they get'
This is the comment you had made when som1 is desperte to get a betr education and spend that much money all they can go on is what is written, anywz no need to argue......
All I am saying is that as my cuzin did go to COmmonwealth College I wnt in ther once and there was classes ect so why not look at the ones that really are scum and are taking money of ppl that dont have any in the 1st place??????????
Scotland has a highly established educational system - a few minutes of research on the internet would allow anyone to know which colleges are genuine and which are bogus. A visit to the British Council web site would be an ideal start.
As I said in my last post - every library has a list.
It is astonishingly simple to determine where to study - where is worthwhile and where is quite frankly a joke.
So I repeat... anyone who is frankly stupid enough to give these characters their money deserves what they get.
Commonwealth College as described in the article in the Glasgow Herald is clearly somwhere anyone with half a brain would avoid.
Genuine Scottish educational establishments have more than a couple of rooms. They are large institutions with actual labs and libraries. They issue real degrees that are actually worth something.
The existence of flea pits like Commonwealth College (and all the rest) is a national disgrace.
Posted by: Brian Reid, Glasgow on 12:01am Sun 8 Jul 07
[quote][bold]saira[/bold] wrote:
I actually graduated in Caledonian University so there goes that theory of urz, and when u are abroad it is very hard to find out thse things. You only get to know once you are here what is the real thing and what is bogus
'Anyone who is frankly stupid enough to give these characters their money deserves what they get'
This is the comment you had made when som1 is desperte to get a betr education and spend that much money all they can go on is what is written, anywz no need to argue......
All I am saying is that as my cuzin did go to COmmonwealth College I wnt in ther once and there was classes ect so why not look at the ones that really are scum and are taking money of ppl that dont have any in the 1st place??????????[/quote] Was your degree from Caledonian University in Texting?
saira wrote:
I actually graduated in Caledonian University so there goes that theory of urz, and when u are abroad it is very hard to find out thse things. You only get to know once you are here what is the real thing and what is bogus
'Anyone who is frankly stupid enough to give these characters their money deserves what they get'
This is the comment you had made when som1 is desperte to get a betr education and spend that much money all they can go on is what is written, anywz no need to argue......
All I am saying is that as my cuzin did go to COmmonwealth College I wnt in ther once and there was classes ect so why not look at the ones that really are scum and are taking money of ppl that dont have any in the 1st place??????????
Was your degree from Caledonian University in Texting?
Posted by: Anonymous, GLW on 10:03pm Sun 8 Jul 07
It seems that Saira is a die hard '' Commonwealth College'' fan. Saira did your 'cuzin' not tell you that this college used to be called Glasgow City College and that Iram Iqbal and Umbreen Iqbal are real sisters and not cousins????????? There seems to be a constant dialogue going on between Saira and Harry Wood. Remember this is 'have your say' not 'defend the news,' The fact is that things do not tie up for this so called institution and could be ruining peoples lives.
It seems that Saira is a die hard '' Commonwealth College'' fan. Saira did your 'cuzin' not tell you that this college used to be called Glasgow City College and that Iram Iqbal and Umbreen Iqbal are real sisters and not cousins????????? There seems to be a constant dialogue going on between Saira and Harry Wood. Remember this is 'have your say' not 'defend the news,' The fact is that things do not tie up for this so called institution and could be ruining peoples lives.
Posted by: Muhammad F Ahmed, London on 8:09pm Mon 9 Jul 07
Good Work Keep it up, I know many colleges in london as well....
Good Work Keep it up, I know many colleges in london as well....
Posted by: saira, Glasgow on 9:36pm Tue 10 Jul 07
[quote][bold]Anonymous[/bold] wrote:
It seems that Saira is a die hard '' Commonwealth College'' fan. Saira did your 'cuzin' not tell you that this college used to be called Glasgow City College and that Iram Iqbal and Umbreen Iqbal are real sisters and not cousins????????? There seems to be a constant dialogue going on between Saira and Harry Wood. Remember this is 'have your say' not 'defend the news,' The fact is that things do not tie up for this so called institution and could be ruining peoples lives.[/quote] I am not a fan i just think that you should give some1 a chnce and I dont know if they are sisters and cuzins that smthing that CALUM MACDONALD should worry about printing the wrong thing........ It being called a different name Virin used to be called ntl. BIG DEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
An next time if you have a opnion why not print ur name
Anonymous wrote:
It seems that Saira is a die hard '' Commonwealth College'' fan. Saira did your 'cuzin' not tell you that this college used to be called Glasgow City College and that Iram Iqbal and Umbreen Iqbal are real sisters and not cousins????????? There seems to be a constant dialogue going on between Saira and Harry Wood. Remember this is 'have your say' not 'defend the news,' The fact is that things do not tie up for this so called institution and could be ruining peoples lives.
I am not a fan i just think that you should give some1 a chnce and I dont know if they are sisters and cuzins that smthing that CALUM MACDONALD should worry about printing the wrong thing........ It being called a different name Virin used to be called ntl. BIG DEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
An next time if you have a opnion why not print ur name
Posted by: Ahmed, Glasgow on 11:41am Wed 11 Jul 07
[quote][bold]saira[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Anonymous[/bold] wrote: It seems that Saira is a die hard \\\'\\\' Commonwealth College\\\'\\\' fan. Saira did your \\\'cuzin\\\' not tell you that this college used to be called Glasgow City College and that Iram Iqbal and Umbreen Iqbal are real sisters and not cousins????????? There seems to be a constant dialogue going on between Saira and Harry Wood. Remember this is \\\'have your say\\\' not \\\'defend the news,\\\' The fact is that things do not tie up for this so called institution and could be ruining peoples lives.[/quote] I am not a fan i just think that you should give some1 a chnce and I dont know if they are sisters and cuzins that smthing that CALUM MACDONALD should worry about printing the wrong thing........ It being called a different name Virin used to be called ntl. BIG DEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! An next time if you have a opnion why not print ur name[/quote] You need to calm down saira, seems like anonymous person knows a lot more and yes you can stop arguing over this college as if you run the place. You mean VIRGIN used to be caled NTL and not virin! hah.. You should perhaps go to that college and get some english writing skills IF they offer such course. These kind of colleges are playing with innocent people's lives who are coming to the UK, using all their savings and getting nothing in return.
saira wrote:
Anonymous wrote: It seems that Saira is a die hard '' Commonwealth College'' fan. Saira did your 'cuzin' not tell you that this college used to be called Glasgow City College and that Iram Iqbal and Umbreen Iqbal are real sisters and not cousins????????? There seems to be a constant dialogue going on between Saira and Harry Wood. Remember this is 'have your say' not 'defend the news,' The fact is that things do not tie up for this so called institution and could be ruining peoples lives.
I am not a fan i just think that you should give some1 a chnce and I dont know if they are sisters and cuzins that smthing that CALUM MACDONALD should worry about printing the wrong thing........ It being called a different name Virin used to be called ntl. BIG DEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! An next time if you have a opnion why not print ur name
You need to calm down saira, seems like anonymous person knows a lot more and yes you can stop arguing over this college as if you run the place. You mean VIRGIN used to be caled NTL and not virin! hah.. You should perhaps go to that college and get some english writing skills IF they offer such course. These kind of colleges are playing with innocent people's lives who are coming to the UK, using all their savings and getting nothing in return.