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Douglas FraserHolyrood blog: Another quiet week
Posted by Douglas Fraser at 6:13pm on Wed 2 Jul 08
Just another quiet week has passed in Scottish politics; merely the proposed suspension of the Labour leader leading to her resignation, a pivotal by-election called in Glasgow, a hectic end to the parliamentary session, and a major report on criminal justice. Some reflections...


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Starting with the most recent, theMcLeish/Scottish Prison Commission Report was a serious piece of work. It raised some tough questions.

Crucially, it was based on evidence – more so than some of its instant critics. Its solutions are expensive, but it made clear that the alternatives could be even more expensive, if nothing is done to halt the spiralling number of prisoners. Though it didn't get as much coverage as the call to cut prisoner numbers or the end to sub-six month sentences, it is worth noting the observation that crime rates have actually been falling. The reason for rising incarceration is that serious and violent crimes are getting more serious and the tariff for serious crimes seems to be on the rise.

Henry McLeish and his committee was given a wide remit to go away and address some really tricky issues . This bought time for the SNP, but it also moved the issue into less party political space, to help make the case for some radical new thinking about why Scotland is so much keener on jailing its people than similar European countries. A vital test of the report – and Henry McLeish was clear about this – was how it was going to play in the media. And judging by this morning's press, it was not a good start, fuelled by both Labour and Tories piling in with attacks, blurring the line between this being an independent report and the policy of the SNP administration, and seeing it as "the first SNP gaffe of the Glasgow East by-election".

Daily Mail: "Anger as 'soft-touch' SNP now plans to empty jails...
Thousands of thugs, housebreakers and drug dealers are to be spared jail under plans to slash Scotland's prison population." The Mail editorial says Labour has been offered a golden opportunity to appeal to "the terrified citizens who have been abandoned by Alex Salmond's administration".

Daily Record splash: SNP TO FREE 4000 JAILBIRDS, and inside:
"Outrageous, daft and soft on cons... Anger over Nats plans". Its editorial states: "The truly alarming thing about this report is the government are taking it seriously... Emptying the jails to see if community service works better for hardened crooks would be a staggeringly reckless gamble".

The Sun's splash: EMPTY THE PRISONS. There's a prominent place given to the "fury" the report sparked, but read into the report, and it's surprisingly free of "bang 'em up and throw away the keys" sentiment.
The paper argues it would be good if community sentences work and are tough, though it would prefer to put offenders in orange boiler suits, and it concludes "the jury is out".

Express: "HALF OF SCOTS PRISONERS TO GO FREE... in a damaging shake-up of the country's justice system." The paper turns over its editorial line to Tory justice spokesman Bill Aitken.

Mirror: "You Won't Cell Us This... Proposals to halve Scotland's soaring prison population were branded a nightmare last night."

From The Scotsman comes "The Great Scottish Prisons Gamble", with a hostile response from a former sheriff, but the most positive editorial conclusion: "It is up to those who disagree with Henry McLeish to come up with something better".

From The Herald's editorial comes some sceptical questioning about community sentences, similar to that of the Press and Journal, and there is even stronger scepticism in The Courier.

Does any of this media scribbling matter? You bet it does. Ministers will watch very closely to see how these ideas fly before being willing to fight for them, and it is unlikely to want that much hostility from the tabloid press.

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Glasgow East is going to be a short but fascinating by-election campaign. There is real needle between Labour and SNP front-runners.

Both could win, but the uncertain bit is how much of an appetite voters have for giving Labour a kicking. Do they have the same passion that the voters of Crewe and Nantwich had, or those in Henley? Are die-hard Labour supporters yet ready to switch to the SNP? How will Nationalists adjust to fighting with a record to defend for the first time? What impact could Tommy Sheridan have, and from where could he take votes? And just how low can the turnout go during the Glasgow Fair?

But before then, let's look again at the reason this by-election is taking place. After 29 years, David Marshall has suddenly resigned because of ill-health. I don't doubt he is ill, and I'm not demanding to see his doctor's certificate. But I'm struggling to think of any ailment that requires a by-election right now. I can't imagine Labour's whips at Westminster being given a choice between Mr Marshall on long-term/permanent sickness leave or Mr Marshall resigning, and preferring the latter when it means a losable by-election.

Something tells me we're not hearing the whole story... yet.

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The SNP tonight selects its short list for the by-election. They're looking for someone local, and there are at least two Glasgow councillors already in the frame. But if they want someone with a track record of building the vote in Baillieston, and for dogged campaigning, surely the SNP should look no further than former SNP MSP Dorothy-Grace Elder. I put this suggestion to the party's high heid yins, and they seemed oddly unenthusiastic.

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We carried a brief report in The Herald of the Holyrood enterprise committee's report into Scotland's bid to become home of the
home of the new Energy Technologies Institute . Some more space here helps tell the story. With a budget of £1 billion, this matters quite a bit, and Scotland's research strength put it in front-runner position. But Loughborough won, as part of a Midlands consortium. The report explicitly pulls its punches, explaining Scottish universities still hope to win some of that research funding. But read between the lines, and there are some interesting hints of what went wrong:

The bidding process changed from a focus on research strength (good for Scotland) to the office accommodation available. But the committee was "surprised" that deciding UK committee found there were "management risks" with the Scottish bid's accommodation plan, yet the same issues affecting Loughborough were not seen as a risk. The committee doesn't spell it out, but could it be that Loughborough got the nod because it was handier and more attractive for the Institute bosses than Aberdeen or Glasgow, and that the rules were framed accordingly, midway through the process?

Within the Scottish consortium bid, how did the Scottish universities choose where the hub of the institute should be? When he was enterprise minister Nicol Stephen, the LibDem leader, made no secret of his desire to bring it to Aberdeen, where he is an MSP, and where it has some claim to strong energy credentials. He told civil servants this, but they said that if a preferred hub was named, it would mean the other parts of the Scottish bid consortium would lose interest and support. By the time the decision, Mr Stephen had left government to fight and lose last year's election. The committee received reassurances from the academics involved in the bid that all was harmony between them. Both of those propositions cannot be true.
Is this evidence that Scotland's prospects were harmed by university rivalry? Let's hope not, as they are important to similar bidding processes in the future.

When the decision was finally taken for Loughborough to win the bid, it was taken by a show of hands at a committee meeting, without an adequate paper trail of how that decision had been taken. The enterprise committee was strongly critical at both Scottish and UK levels for the lack of clear paperwork, and (by the LibDem convener's casting vote) of the incoming Scottish ministers, notably Jim Mather, who were none too helpful in explaining what had happened after they took office.


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If you've stuck with this lengthy blog long enough to reach this far down, your reward is confirmation of what has made it into the blogosphere – that I'm leaving The Herald to join BBC Scotland as its Business and Economics Editor. But I'm still here until September, giving ample time for my small band of devoted and demented critics to prepare for their withdrawal symptoms and to transfer their allegiance elsewhere.
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Posted by: Colin Edgar at 6:41pm on Wed 2 Jul 08
Could it be that I'll have a load of space to myself to point out what most people know: that you're a thoroughly good guy with his finger on the pulse and a host of interesting things to say about interesting things? I suspect I won't have the space to myself for long. Good luck with the new gig.
Posted by: Wardog at 6:44pm on Wed 2 Jul 08
Labour's latest scandalous donation ploy
https://secure2.labour.org.uk/proud/donation

Is this legal, mixing up the NHS with Party Political Donations?

An innocent web browser might well think they are donating to the NHS.
Posted by: Wardog at 6:48pm on Wed 2 Jul 08
Something tells me we're not hearing the whole story... yet.


Yer **** toot'n right we haven't, now go and investigate this and tell us the truth about what's happening here Dougie.
Posted by: george alexander at 8:45pm on Wed 2 Jul 08
.........prepare for their withdrawal symptoms

Eh? You prevented people from commenting on your articles weeks ago, withdrawal from what?
Posted by: nostress at 10:02pm on Wed 2 Jul 08
Interesting blog there about the Energy Technologies Institute, Mr F. Seems to me like a case of keeping those Jocks in their place as we've been getting a bit too uppity lately...but there again I'm just a paranoid wee nat...

So the good news about your new job in September (well I'm assuming it's good news for you) means that you'll have plenty of time to get to the bottom of the real reason for Marshall's sudden departure...something tells me you won't manage it before July 24th though...but there again I'm just a paranoid wee nat....

You're a very lucky man to have such a band of double D critics you know. Many of your esteemed colleagues would give their drinking arms to have such a bunch of dedicated (oops another D there) readers. See, the trouble is, we always knew you had talent, that you could write a mean article when pushed, but there have been too many regurgitated press releases from Labour HQ lately and that is so disappointing. All we're asking for is a fair crack of the whip. You know the vast majority of the media in our little land is overwhelmingly pro-unionist, at times almost litterally unbelievably so...but the Herald always attracted a more independent-minded readership, which demanded balance not propaganda. That is why you attract the comments from some of us that you do...we know you could be so much better than that...but there again I'm just a paranoid wee nat...

I'll leave you to decide which of the double D categories I fall into... :-)
Posted by: Wardog at 10:24pm on Wed 2 Jul 08
It gets worse


Proud of the NHS, Proud to be Labour

www.labour.org.uk/proud/proud_to_be_labour

Here are messages left by some 'donors', it's enough to make you sick.

Does anyone else think this is incredibly misleading?

Many of these names do not state their affiliation with Labour and could be said to be presenting themselves as ordinary ''members of the public'', to an unsuspecting person who wnders onto this site.

There are NO Labour Logo's and it doesn't say outright that it is for labour.

Donors tell us why they've given to the "Proud of the NHS, Proud to be Labour" campaign

Didn't Labour get reprimanded for this at the May 2007 Election with 'fake' families stating they'd be £5000 worse off.

I've added the true identities, or atleast as far as I can find out doing a bit of googling, below each name, follow the link above and you'll see their names without the details of who they are:

A DISGRACEFUL DECEPTION IF YOU ASK ME

Alitsair Campbell
ol' 45 minutes himself, tops the list

Keith Vaz MP
What was your award for delivering 42 days?

Andy Furlong, Bosworth
Labour Party Official

Roy Kennedy, Lewisham
Labour Party Candidate

Carol Linforth, London
Assistant General Secretary. The Labour Party

Tom Watson MP, West Bromwich East
At least he has been upfront about who he is.

Giampi Alhadeff, London
Secretary General of the European Parliamentary Labour Group

Keith Birch, London
Labour Party NEC member

Alicia Kennedy, Lewisham
Labor's Deputy General Secretary

Hilary Perrin, London
Director of London Labour Party

Chris Lennie
Labour Party 'Registered Treasurer'

Colin Shrive, Blackpool
Labour Councillor

Trevor Barton, Bolton
Chairman of Quango 'Leigh Sports Development Partnership'
Political ally of Labour's Andy Burnham MP

Linda Wilkie, Glasgow
Continuing Education Gateway
Hosted by Glasgow City Council

Neil Foster, Morpeth
Labour Party Councillor

Martine Kozlowski
***Possibly a Genuine Member of the Public

Raymond Dunn, Bradford
Labour Councillor/Candidate

Seema Malhotra, London
GLA Labour Candidate

Paul Nicholson, Abergavenny
Labour Cadidate

Bill Rogers, Salisbury
Foundation Trust Governor

Dianne Hayter, Camden
NEC Labour

Alan Rhodes, Worksop
Labour Councillor

Barbara Weed, Leamington
Labour Councillor

Chris Bain, Coleshill
Labour Candidate

Jenny Noakes, Colchester
***Possibly a Genuine Member of the Public

Dave Roberts, Salisbury
Labour Candidate

James Valentine, Bedford
Labour Councillor

Angela Eagle MP, Wallasey
Exchequer Secretary to the Treasury

James Slodzik, Maldon
***Possibly a Genuine 'Member of the Public'

Jamie Glackin, Perth
***Possibly a Genuine 'Member of the Public'
Easy Heat Systems

Tina McLeod, Rowley Regis
***Possibly a Genuine 'Member of the Public'

Lionel Balls, Great Yarmouth
***Possibly a Genuine 'Member of the Public'
Surely not Ed Balls Dad?

Graham Dale
Labour Candidate
also Head of the Christian Socialist Movement of which Mr T. Blair is a member

Susan Mechan, London
Labour Activist

Sarah Chaytor, London
Wife & Employee of David Chaytor, Labour MP

Kevin Cooney, Otley
Labour Councillor

Jean Nunn-Price, Wantage
Labour Candidate

Rita Fish, Tonbridge
***Possibly a Genuine 'Member of the Public'

Manohar Minhas, Wolverhampton
Labour Councillor

Jean Samuel, Whitstable
Labour Candidate

Anne Ayres, Nottingham
Labour Candidate

Cliff Billings, Droitwich
***Possibly a Genuine 'Member of the Public'

Philip Collins, Farnborough
It couldn't be could it?

Sheila Taylor, London
***Possibly a Genuine 'Member of the Public'

Dennis Skinner MP, Bolsover
The Beast of Bolsover himself on a New Labour site!!!

Joan Ryan MP, Enfield North
Blairite Whip

Alan Calder, Angmering
Labour Activist

Ingrid Cranfield, London
Labour Candidate

Jim Driver, Edinburgh
***Possibly a Genuine 'Member of the Public'

Cllr Robin Turner, Derby
Labour Councillor

Manohar Minhas, Wolverhampton
Labour Councillor

Tom Ebbutt, Dalston
***Possibly a Genuine 'Member of the Public'

John Eveleigh, Otley
Labour Candidate Otley & Yeadon

Liz Twist
UNISON North Representative
Posted by: nostress at 12:14am on Thu 3 Jul 08
nouveauxscum yer a genius - here's the link to the missing nicol stephen story and comments

tinyurl.com/4hxpxk
Posted by: Karin at 12:47am on Thu 3 Jul 08
september yer hinging aroun that long dougie? Whits up got to squeeze the annual leave out of them.

Jist think dougie when you go to the bbc you wont have to worry about the comments and blocking them.

As for not heard the full story.

What about nicol stephen whats the story there then?
Posted by: Supershug at 1:12am on Thu 3 Jul 08
But I'm still here until September, giving ample time for my small band of devoted and demented critics to prepare for their withdrawal symptoms and to transfer their allegiance elsewhere.


Doug, you will not be missed but anyone who can't handle criticism of his work has no place in journalism - never mind describing people as "internet vermin". I actually had a modicum of respect for you before that.

Now, the refusal to allow comments on your articles and serious pieces makes you and The Herald look to be seriously lacking in moral courage. Your contempt for readers is not something to be proud of and the senior editors at this title ignore the dissatisfaction of its readers at its peril.

Still, you'll be getting paid by from licence fee, won't you?
Posted by: kiltman28 at 3:23am on Thu 3 Jul 08
The proud of the NHS site is shocking - it's very misleading and donations could be constued as for the NHS when it would appear that they are actually for Labour coffers to fight marginal seats...

Disgusting
Posted by: nostress at 9:20am on Thu 3 Jul 08
Just had a look at this proud of the NHS site and it is pretty misleading to say the least. You are asked to donate money, so you can add your "appreciation" for the NHS...well ok, but it's not made too clear on first looking at it, that this is fact the Labour Party looking for donations to get a fighting fund of £60,000 so that they can fight marginal constituencies. Why do Labour feel the need to pretend this is to do with the NHS? It does leave a fairly sour taste in the mouth, when the party of UK government has to resort to this kind of sleight of hand to solicit suport...
Posted by: Grassy Knollington at 11:01am on Thu 3 Jul 08
Having read the above comments on the esteemed Mr.Fraser's blog I have one question to ask

Are you lot DEMENTED? :o)
Posted by: Mac at 11:03am on Thu 3 Jul 08
Business and Economic Editor at the Beeb?????????????????????

"Shhurely shhome mishhtake", as Shhir Shhean would say.

I would hang in there if I were you. There could be a vacancy as BBC Scotland's political editor, because Brian Taylor looks like he is fit to burst at any moment.
Posted by: Alan at 11:13am on Thu 3 Jul 08
Supershug wrote:
But I'm still here until September, giving ample time for my small band of devoted and demented critics to prepare for their withdrawal symptoms and to transfer their allegiance elsewhere.


Doug, you will not be missed but anyone who can't handle criticism of his work has no place in journalism - never mind describing people as "internet vermin". I actually had a modicum of respect for you before that.

Now, the refusal to allow comments on your articles and serious pieces makes you and The Herald look to be seriously lacking in moral courage. Your contempt for readers is not something to be proud of and the senior editors at this title ignore the dissatisfaction of its readers at its peril.

Still, you'll be getting paid by from licence fee, won't you?
Internet vermin seems a pretty good description for people who use comment sections to indulge in deeply personal abuse.
Compare the language used by a professional journalist with that used by the inadequates who pop along here at all hours to screech out their paranoid rants.
I wonder if any of you toads have ever asked the likes of mr salmond or ms sturgeon whether they think your actions are either reasonable or helpful.
Good luck at the BBC, Douglas.
Posted by: Disgusted Dorothy at 12:25pm on Thu 3 Jul 08
I remember a once proud ,independent Herald and the fairness of view printed in its pages.
Those were the days when one " took " the Herald!
In its heyday it had a balanced approach to all.
Sadly it has become a mere shadow of its former self , initially by being taken over by SMG followed by Newsquest.
The name Newsquest might suggest it was ferreting and hunting down news to inform its readers.
Again , sadly , not so!
Where the Sunday Herald fits in, I know not.
Suffice it to say that the most interesting tales of double dealing and sleaze ,seem to be reported by the sister paper.
Thus informing the poor fools ( the Public ) of items which should be of national interest ,not covered by the daily so called Quality papers.
I doubt that anyone here wants anything more than fairness and balance, hence the rage from those " internet vermin"
I have learned more from bloggers ,the internet sites that they bring to my attention , than I have from the media of Scotland.
So , thank you all the " internet vermin" for educating me and allowing me to research that which you , and not the reports in the press or BBC, have brought to my attention.
Truth and honesty, balance and fairness , would'nt that be the way forward for failing newspapers?
Posted by: idiotfinder general at 3:35pm on Thu 3 Jul 08
Disgusted Dorothy, you're not Grizelda, are you?
Posted by: Supershug at 5:00pm on Thu 3 Jul 08
Alan wrote:
Supershug wrote:
But I'm still here until September, giving ample time for my small band of devoted and demented critics to prepare for their withdrawal symptoms and to transfer their allegiance elsewhere.


Doug, you will not be missed but anyone who can't handle criticism of his work has no place in journalism - never mind describing people as "internet vermin". I actually had a modicum of respect for you before that.

Now, the refusal to allow comments on your articles and serious pieces makes you and The Herald look to be seriously lacking in moral courage. Your contempt for readers is not something to be proud of and the senior editors at this title ignore the dissatisfaction of its readers at its peril.

Still, you'll be getting paid by from licence fee, won't you?
Internet vermin seems a pretty good description for people who use comment sections to indulge in deeply personal abuse.
Compare the language used by a professional journalist with that used by the inadequates who pop along here at all hours to screech out their paranoid rants.
I wonder if any of you toads have ever asked the likes of mr salmond or ms sturgeon whether they think your actions are either reasonable or helpful.
Good luck at the BBC, Douglas.
Alan, you wouldn't be the same "Alan" who appeared a few days ago, presenting detailed information on the workings of the politics desk to defend the paper against criticisms of a story while indulging in vituperative name-calling at the same time, would you?

Personally, I don't recall ever calling Douglas or anyone here anything like "vermin", an "inadequate" or a "toad", yet you invite us to consider the language of the "professional journalist". I presume then that you are not part of that profession.

It also seems to be lost on the editorial staff here that the criticisms refer to the abysmal standard of journalism that is highly partial towards the Labour party and the title's self-confessed agenda.

Wee tip for you Alan - to compare the language
- "Douglas, this is another pathetic, biased treatment of a political issue": professional criticism
- "My critics are 'vermin', 'toads' or 'inadequates'": personal abuse.

I trust that will help you as you seem incapable of distinguishing between the two when you resort to childish names.

The Herald is unique in generating this level of dissatisfaction and as long as senior editorial figures suppose that this is due to the "inadequacies" of the readers, rather than the journalism, I very much doubt that matters will improve.

Of course, there is the option of looking as far as the Sunday Herald, which attracts little of this level of disquiet and asking them how to run a news title.

As for Mr Salmond and Ms Sturgeon, I don't answer to them. Do you think yourself to be a valued representative of The Herald's editorial standards?

(You'll note this is not posted late at night, as journalists are extremely time-sensitive when it comes to these things. Obviously, those of us who work late are expected to get up especially for the Herald)
Posted by: Supershug at 5:10pm on Thu 3 Jul 08
idiotfinder general wrote:
Disgusted Dorothy, you're not Grizelda, are you?
Well, that's an intelligent response, isn't it?
Posted by: Disgusted Dorothy at 6:01pm on Thu 3 Jul 08
The idiotfinder should look in a mirror.
Posted by: George Laird at 6:20pm on Thu 3 Jul 08
idiotfinder general wrote:
Disgusted Dorothy, you're not Grizelda, are you?
Dear Labour supporting troll

I am still waiting for you to produce the evidence of the smear you made against me yesterday on Douglas Fraser's blog.

I have come to the conclusion you must hold Labour Party membership given that you have "bottled out" of supplying it.

Just because Gordon Brown has "bottled it", it doesn't apply to the whole party.

You are such a sheep.

Yours sincerely

George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University
Posted by: George Laird at 6:24pm on Thu 3 Jul 08
Dear Idiot finder General

Why all this hostility to me?

What have I done?

I am simple humble man of the people type dude, which people naturally like.

At University when I was teaching I was terribly popular, generating the type of loyalty and respect that Wendy Alexander could only dream of.

As to your points, I would like to make some comments.

“George, you stupid little nyaff”,

When at university I had to sit professional exams as part of my charity work, I got 95% and 92% in the written papers.

At exam time I was helping my class mates to pass their exams and during the practical, I lend them some of my trainees.

I would therefore dispute the claim “stupid”.

“why does it follow that I hold certain views about you based on your opinion of the Labour Party?”

I think it is because you let your hatred boil over.

You don’t like Human Rights Campaigners do you?

“Are you really so arrogant and deluded that you can't accept my disdain for total scumbags like you has nothing to do with party politics”.

I am shocked that you consider me a “total scumbag”, I always thought of myself as just a working class scumbag.

What advantages if any are there in being a “total scumbag”?

If you are not a “total scumbag” are there other classes of scumbag?

“I loathe cretins like you and so many others who post here because you are idiots”.

I thought you said I was a “total scumbag” and now you are saying I am a cretin, which is it?

Is not the reason you loathe people like me is because I tell the truth?

Is it because I am blunt?

I can explain this, it is a by-product of teaching at the highest level. I taught people who have represented Britain, England and Scotland at various sports.

How did I manage that as a “total scumbag”?

Why did so many high fliers at Glasgow University come see me; a scumbag from a gerrymandered New Labour ghetto estate called Pollok?

“I am the Idiotfinder General. It is my duty to find idiots and point the finger”.

Is your title not based on cronyism down at John Smith House? After being employed for remedial classes, I assume you engineered a guango job shuffling paper and a hefty pay packet. Is that so?

Very impressive but money isn’t everything.

“You are an irritating, inadequate conspiracy theorist”.

Am I? First I have heard about.

My best friend uses terms that are not repeatable on this board which are far worse.

“Do you want to explain any details of the restraining order against you?”

Firstly I would like to call you liar; there is no restraining order against me.

Why don’t you spill your lies by giving a line and letter, chapter and verse blow by blow of your allegations?

That way I can rip you a new arse on this board and give the other posters a laugh.

“George Laird - Idiot!”

I sense unhappiness here; you are a funny little Labour supporting troll.

Is this because I wrote extensive anti Wendy Alexander posts?

I did her a favour.

Finally you call me a “total scumbag”, a “nyaff”, a “cretin” and an “idiot”, it seems to me that you have a problem remembering what you call me from sentence to sentence.

I feel sorry for you!

Yours sincerely

George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University
Posted by: Alan at 8:03pm on Thu 3 Jul 08
Disgusted Dorothy wrote:
The idiotfinder should look in a mirror.
The usual wit from Grizelda, whose ego destroyed her career.
Posted by: Alan at 8:10pm on Thu 3 Jul 08
Supershug, you pathetic guttersnipe,

I quote from your ludicrous post:

"Wee tip for you Alan - to compare the language
- "Douglas, this is another pathetic, biased treatment of a political issue": professional criticism
- "My critics are 'vermin', 'toads' or 'inadequates'": personal abuse."


You think describing someone's work as pathetic isn't abusive?
You're just an internet hardman - full of bluff and bluster but ultimately a cowardly wee snake.

As for you, George Laird, whose human rights do you campaign for?
You're an oddball obsessive with nothing to back up his ludicrous claims.
You're banned from Uni premises and from contacting certain members of staff who felt threatened by you.
Deny that, you freak.
Posted by: George Laird at 9:34pm on Thu 3 Jul 08
Alan wrote:
Supershug, you pathetic guttersnipe, I quote from your ludicrous post: "Wee tip for you Alan - to compare the language - "Douglas, this is another pathetic, biased treatment of a political issue": professional criticism - "My critics are 'vermin', 'toads' or 'inadequates'": personal abuse." You think describing someone's work as pathetic isn't abusive? You're just an internet hardman - full of bluff and bluster but ultimately a cowardly wee snake. As for you, George Laird, whose human rights do you campaign for? You're an oddball obsessive with nothing to back up his ludicrous claims. You're banned from Uni premises and from contacting certain members of staff who felt threatened by you. Deny that, you freak.
Dear Alan (dick)

Nice of you to change from Idiotfinder General to Alan.

Have you been sacked by the Labour Party yet?

"You think describing someone's work as pathetic isn't abusive?"

It is subjective and ask I recall people are entitled to freedom of speech.

"You're just an internet hardman - full of bluff and bluster but ultimately a cowardly wee snake".

You are a cowardly little weasel, how many times did I ask you to meet me so I could put evidence of Glasgow University's policy of discrimination in your greasy paws?

It was at least three times and still you haven't the guts to follow through.

If anyone is an "internet hardman" it is you.

"As for you, George Laird, whose human rights do you campaign for?"

Working class people, got a problem with that?

I highlight scumbags like Muir Russell, the corrupt Principal of Glasgow University et al.

I would now like to highlight your allegation against me in which you said there was a restraining order against me.

There is not.

I would also like to mention that in order to ban me from University of Glasgow premises that would require a court order.

Which court of law banned me and when?

You also state;

"and from contacting certain members of staff who felt threatened by you".

That is another lie, a data subject access request shows that prior to the University of Glasgow discriminating against me no one had put in a complaint regarding my behaviour in 20 years being there.

20 years, you fruit.

So I do deny that $hite by you, why are you lying?

I have the evidence that the senior staff at Glasgow University conspired to deny me my rights in their own documents and on audio tape.

So your claims

1/ I have no evidence.

2/ I am banned from university premises.

3/ Banned from contacting staff.

4/ That I threatened anyone.

5/ That I am a freak (for demanding a fair hearing).

Are all lies and that is defamation.

I would like your name so I can take this matter further.

You have defame with intent to damage my reputation.

Let's see who the coward is Alan.

It costs about £100 to raise a civil action, why do we go down the Sheriff Court of Glasgow and I can f*ck it right into you legally.

Finally Shirley McKie fought for nine years to get justice, why shouldn't I do likewise when I am innocent?

And have the fu*king evidence to prove it!

Yours sincerely

George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University
Posted by: Supershug at 10:10pm on Thu 3 Jul 08
I quote from your ludicrous post:

You think describing someone's work as pathetic isn't abusive?
You're just an internet hardman - full of bluff and bluster but ultimately a cowardly wee snake.


Alan, you clearly have issues as well as a personal interest in this:
tinyurl.com/6doodz

As you seem to be alluding to the fact that you are an employee of The Herald, I'll leave it to the editors to decide whether or not they have been correct in allowing you to pursue this approach.

Excuse me if I find it hard to be upset by your use of names but then the irrational responses of people I don't know rarely trouble me.

However, to respond to your question: describing someone's work as "pathetic" is not the same as a personal attack. Some may take it personally if they are over-sensitive to professional criticism. Sadly, most journalists fall into that category - brought up in a culture in which they were allowed to **** about whoever they pleased with never an opportunity to respond, except through the odd letter published at the editor's discretion.

But think of this. When you constantly attack people who criticise the standard of journalism in The Herald, you invite the conclusion that you have no adequate defence to the charges that the title and many journalists are unprofessional and biased.

That is a poor - if probably accurate - representation of The Herald's position.
Posted by: alan at 10:20pm on Thu 3 Jul 08
shug, you tosser,

no, i don't work for the herald. you cowards don't like it up you, do you?
you're a moron. george is a thug.
why not stop posting crap on the net and get a life, losers?
Posted by: doonhamer at 12:03am on Fri 4 Jul 08
Idiotfinder general, I appreciate your zeal in pointing the finger at idiots. However, I implore to never, ever, never walk into John Smith House. Thirty seconds after entering, your arm will be paralyzed in the horizontal position and you will be spinning like a top.
Posted by: Supershug at 12:43am on Fri 4 Jul 08
alan wrote:
shug, you tosser,

no, i don't work for the herald. you cowards don't like it up you, do you?
you're a moron. george is a thug.
why not stop posting crap on the net and get a life, losers?
You are deluding yourself, my friend.

What is the real story - do you have "Insult -a-Day" toilet paper, perhaps?

If so, obviously you have been suffering from diarrhoea lately. Might I suggest Loperamide? Other more conventional means may also assist with the bunging-up process which may bring you comfort if lowering your post count.

I hope you will soon find relief.
Posted by: Jwil at 1:46am on Fri 4 Jul 08
After 29 years, David Marshall has suddenly resigned because of ill-health .

This must be the cliche of the month.
Posted by: Jwil at 1:52am on Fri 4 Jul 08
After 29 years, David Marshall has suddenly resigned because of ill-health .

This must be the cliche of the month.
Posted by: WJ at 1:56am on Fri 4 Jul 08
Aww! Dougies leaving!! What can you say except.........

....."I got sunshine on a cloudy day,
....."When it's cold outside, I've got the month of May!
...." I guess you say,
....."What can make me feel this way?......."

You know the rest.......
Posted by: WJ at 2:09am on Fri 4 Jul 08
Then again perhaps, more fitting........

......"You say it best when you say nothing at all."
Posted by: robmcdonald at 1:00pm on Fri 4 Jul 08
"Does any of this media scribbling matter? You bet it does"
You know it does Douglas and I'd even read your reports if you allowed comments. I like the way you write even without agreeing to all of it but I STILL refuse to read articles with comments disallowed.

Good luck over the river at the BBC.

Robert
Posted by: Grassy Knollington at 2:08pm on Fri 4 Jul 08
Just had a wee look at todays letters page to see what Scots were saying at the end of this most interesting of political weeks. The chosen selection wouldn't be out of place on a quiet day at the People's Friend! Now while the price of half a pint of milk in Garden Centres is obviously a worry let's not get it out of proportion.......
Posted by: George Laird at 2:37pm on Fri 4 Jul 08
alan wrote:
shug, you tosser, no, i don't work for the herald. you cowards don't like it up you, do you? you're a moron. george is a thug. why not stop posting crap on the net and get a life, losers?
Dear Alan

You claim I am a thug, if I was then why would I offer court action to defend myself against your lies?

You are a liar, nothing more than an effeminate rat who spreads poison then returns to your rathole thinking you have scored points.

Give me your real name and address so I can start a civil action down the Sheriff Court of Glasgow and a judge can decide who is the liar.

Have the courage of a man!

I have my evidence already, you don't have any evidence.

So who is the loser, me for telling the truth or you for being a cowardly liar?

I think the posters on this board know my standing invitation that if anyone questions my veracity, they can come see the evidence.

Yours sincerely

George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University
Posted by: Disgusted Dorothy at 3:29pm on Fri 4 Jul 08
Contrary to Alan/idiotfinders assertion that my wit destroyed my career, only advancing years stopped part of my career, the rest continues unabated.

Dear George , why you even bother responding to the little pipsqueek I know not!
Posted by: George Laird at 4:06pm on Fri 4 Jul 08
Disgusted Dorothy wrote:
Contrary to Alan/idiotfinders assertion that my wit destroyed my career, only advancing years stopped part of my career, the rest continues unabated. Dear George , why you even bother responding to the little pipsqueek I know not!
Dear Dorothy

It is important to confront serial liars like Alan at every opportunity.

Alan shows the same type of cowardly behaviour exhibited by bullies at Glasgow University in the senior management.

He attempts to act the "big man" on here without success, he probably functions better as a bully in a gang, against a selected victim.

Surprised that he chose me, I always fight back against bullies regardless of the odds.

Cowardly is the best way to describe him.

Yours sincerely

George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University
Posted by: Idiotfinder General at 5:22pm on Fri 4 Jul 08
Grizelda - what a dreadful, bitter person. An appalling journalist and woeful politician.
Still, you've always got the triumph of the wee burnie campaign.
Posted by: Disgusted Dorothy at 6:31pm on Fri 4 Jul 08
Dear Idiotfinder,

Don't know who you think I am , but I am neither failed politician nor journalist.

Tried the mirror yet?
Posted by: Celtic Lion at 8:21pm on Fri 4 Jul 08
With the knowledge that rats will abandon a sinking ship and given the news of your departure: what can we determine about The Herald's future?
Posted by: No War But The Class War at 10:12pm on Fri 4 Jul 08
What a load of old crepe.

Because Douglas Fraser doesn't write articles which would fit in with the Scots Independent people here have accused him of everything up to and including treachery. I'm sure he's laughing at you, but what does this mean for the press in an independent Scotland?
Posted by: Duns Scotus at 10:35pm on Fri 4 Jul 08
Jwil wrote:
After 29 years, David Marshall has suddenly resigned because of ill-health . This must be the cliche of the month.
He wants to spend more time with his family doctor!
Posted by: Celtic Lion at 11:05pm on Fri 4 Jul 08
No War But The Class War, at the time when Douglas made his "internet vermin" taunts I would have agreed with you and was very vocal in his defence. He's a journalist I've often been silently in disagreement with, but I'm one to appreciate different opinions if they are well made and/or written. Since that time though he seems to have become more interested in only relaying Labour lies ad-nauseam and taunting his readers. His stories have become so lacklustre they're barely readable and he (apparently) remains confident of his own abilities while ignoring journalistic principles.

I don't mean Douglas any ill will (though sadly and worryingly there are those who do). I hope one day he's able to return to the quality he was previously capable of. But for now he's a journalist few will miss.
Posted by: Oscar at 11:53pm on Fri 4 Jul 08
Congratulations to Mr Fraser on his new appointment, I suppose Izzy will be happy you're both working in the same building...
Posted by: nostress at 4:10pm on Sat 5 Jul 08
What a load of old crepe.

Because Douglas Fraser doesn't write articles which would fit in with the Scots Independent people here have accused him of everything up to and including treachery. I'm sure he's laughing at you, but what does this mean for the press in an independent Scotland?

so posts no war but the class war...

Nice tag, but what I have always asked for is a level playing field - I certainly don't want the continuation of sheer propaganda that we find at the moment in favour of the Labour Party and blatantly anti SNP from the likes of Mr Fraser. Mere regurgitation of party press releases will not do - whether or not Scotland does achieve freedom from London rule. Would you yourself rather not see a better informed population through proper analysis, checking of primary sources and a balanced approach etc. or are you the kind of class warrior who is content to settle for hackneyed cliche and spin?
Posted by: No War But The Class War at 7:11pm on Sat 5 Jul 08
Celtic Lion, he may taunt his readers but they taunt back ;) Nothing wrong with that. What does start getting creepy IMO is when people like the normally very sensible Observer want to send him white feathers or some of the abuse he gets around here. It goes past banter and onto nastiness.

It's as you say, sadly and worryingly there are people who do mean ill will towards him. WTF? He's a journalist, not Hitler (or even Wendy Alexander ;))

I'm sure he's laughing at it but I'm kind of not because I would hate to see an independent Scotland where every non SNP viewpoint becomes target to get howled down by nationalists. So, it seems to represent a worrying turn.

I looked back at the past and people were obsessed with what party card he held (if any). Judging by his well written and entertaining blog he's ready to take the p*ss out of anyone who deserves it, from any party. That's probably the most important thing, no?
Posted by: No War But The Class War at 7:23pm on Sat 5 Jul 08
Nostress, yeah I would (like a better informed population, etc.) But I get the feeling people here are basically asking him to swap Labour press releases for SNP ones, which doesn't seem like an improvement to me.

As a journo, he should hold the governing party's feet to the fire. I dunno what he was like when Labour were in because I didn't read this site then, but did he write nothing but praise of them or was he critical?
Posted by: nostress at 11:45pm on Sat 5 Jul 08
No war...ok I'll say it again...all we're asking for is a level playing field...I don't want SNP propaganda and I don't want Unionist propaganda...I want fair, balanced, well researched articles, without slant....this we have not been getting from Douglas Fraser. He's smart enough to slip in the occasional anti-Labour remark, but only when the lies have been too blatant to swallow for him to retain even a smidgin of credibility.

I agree that any government needs to be sharply questioned and held to account, but the vast majority of his articles are written with an anti-SNP slant, where the facts are either misrepresented or greater prominence is given to the utterances of the Unionists without counterbalance so that their opinions are stated as if they were facts. If you can be bothered, it might be illuminating for you to have a look at some of his previous work. Was he as critical of Lab/Lib when they styled themselves the Executive? No, I don't believe he was.

The trouble is that the vast majority of the media in Scotland is against any promotion of Scotland's independence in a positive way, preferring to maintain the fiction that we, uniquely, could not benefit and prosper as an independent nation.
Posted by: Celtic Lion at 8:01pm on Sun 6 Jul 08
No War But The Class War, I don't know if you read as far back to see my defence of Douglas when I said that he's only human and ought to be allowed the occasional outburst. At the time I felt he was slightly biased to Labour and in the real world nobody is completely neutral. Adults (and in that category I don't include the more militant posters here) rise above petty little taunts or respond in more subtle and clever ways. Instead Douglas has (apparently) stuck two fingers in the air an