The commentariat has been struggling to find an adequate description for the awfulness of last week's English and Welsh local election results for Labour. For its originality, colour and, er, style I've decided the award should go to the ever-readable Matthew Parris: "It's over. There was nothing constructive in the voters' message. These elections were not an invitation to change. They were a big two-fingered salute, a raspberry, a pressing of the de-trousered national buttocks to the window of the polling station".
Writing on Friday, Parris, a former Tory MP, also offered a list of 30 cliches he expected to hear over the following days from Labour MPs trying to get over the loss; wake-up call, message from the electorate, take it on the chin, listen to voters, learn lessons, heed concerns, need for change, get back in touch, sharpen up the act, show contrition, find a new narrative, feel their pain, show humility, understand more, blitz of initiatives, sense of purpose, simpler messages, sharpen the argument, clearer sense of rcdirection, relaunch, refocus, rediscover, redefine, repair, refresh, reshuffle, rethink, renew, begin fightback, still two years left.
On that measure, Labour has had a hugely successful few days. In the space of one interview yesterday, the Prime Minister himself tried out about half of them.
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You could argue there's not much read-across from England's three-party politics to how last week's results could play in Scotland. But what about Wales? Plaid Cymru, like the SNP, is in power and offers a vehicle for anti-Labour protest votes. And what happened? Well, Labour took "a kick up the backside", according to Welsh Secretary Paul Murphy. But it was not Plaid Cymru that did best out of this. Tories picked up around half the seats Labour lost. LibDems picked up where they were already building strengths; Cardiff, Newport and Swansea. Plaid Cymru came out ahead but lost control of the one council it had controlled, Gwynedd. Even the party president and the council leader lost their seats. One of their problems was a 'save our schools' party, and independents didn't do badly at all in what First Minister Rhodri Morgan described as an anti-politician mood. Beneficiaries of that include former Welsh Secretary Ron Davies, who parted company with Labour after a "moment of madness". His wife, Lynne Hughes, became a Plaid Cymru member of the same council.
One of the lessons learned by Paul Murphy, who has been delegated by Gordon Brown to handle relations with the devolved administrations, is that there's been too much talk about the constitution in Wales and not enough about prices at the supermarket checkout and petrol forecourt. If that's true, you have to wonder why Wendy Alexander marked the first year of SNP government yesterday with an acrobatic U-turn with half-twist over an independence referendum?
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Stanley Johnson, father of the foppish, Etonian new mayor of London, was asked on BBC News24 about his son's credentials in governing. "He's got good Greek and Latin," he replied. "And if you've got good Greek and Latin, you can do a lot of things, and that certainly includes running a city like London".
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Talking of Tories, Alex Salmond is not inviting Margaret Thatcher to tea at Bute House. He would like to make clear that he is not up for basking in her aura, as Gordon Brown did at Downing Street, ahead of saying that he rather admires the former Prime Minister for her strength and determination. This was the first anniversary message to readers of the Daily Telegraph. The Morning Star has not interviewed him recently, but given the opportunity, he'd probably sing the praises of Fidel Castro's health policy.
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Time to catch up with quite a lot of polling action:
As exclusively revealed in The Herald, TNS System Three polled between 26 and 29 April and found the biggest lead ever for the SNP
Holyrood constituency
SNP 45
Labour 31
Tory 12
LibDem 11
Holyrood constituency
SNP 41
Labour 29
Tory 12
LibDem12
Others 6
Westminster
Labour 39
SNP 31
Tory 17
LibDem 10
According to YouGov in the Daily Telegraph last week,
Holyrood constituency
SNP 36
Labour 31
LibDem 15
Tories 13
Holyrood regional
SNP 37
Labour 28
LibDem 13
Tory 13
Westminster
Labour 34
SNP 30
Tories 17
LibDems 14
Doing a good job?
Alex Salmond 53
Annabel Goldie 41
Nicol Stephen 27
Gordon Brown 26
Wendy Alexander 21
YouGov also asked about support for different constitutional options, and incurred the displeasure of the First Minister for a fairly loaded question about the SNP preference of Scotland becoming "a completely separate state outside the United Kingdom".
Independence 19
Keeping devolution as it is 34
Devolution with more powers 38
Even when comparing independence with the status quo, support for the SNP's position rises to only 25%.
And Progressive Scottish Opinion, commissed by the Daily Mail, asked 1006 people, reporting on 23 April on a question that only asked about the constituency voting intentions:
SNP 40
Labour 33
Tory 13
LibDem 10
So there is a consistent picture of a comfortable SNP lead for Holyrood, Labour ahead but by much less than in 2005 on Westminster intentions, and the LibDems and Tories battling around the mid-teens for a poor third place. The smaller parties' hope may be that Thursday's results show Tories have begun to break through in parts of northern England which had been as resistant to David Cameron and Conservatism as Scotland has been, while Nick Clegg's poor UK poll showing was far behind the actual LibDem results - nothing spectacular, but modest progress.
here douglas we could have you under the trades description act for that fly one. i clicked the link that said why did wendy do a u turn and not one sentence about wendy. cheat.
anyway that took you long enough! whats up? ran out of hankies and did you.
here douglas we could have you under the trades description act for that fly one. i clicked the link that said why did wendy do a u turn and not one sentence about wendy. cheat.
anyway that took you long enough! whats up? ran out of hankies and did you.
awfulness of last week's English and Welsh local election results for Labou
rand that kind of says it all douglas the rest of us who arent labour supporters wouldnt call it awful......................
awfulness of last week's English and Welsh local election results for Labou
rand that kind of says it all douglas the rest of us who arent labour supporters wouldnt call it awful......................
Wendy Alexander marked the first year of SNP government yesterday with an acrobatic U-turn with half-twist over an independence referendum?
my apologies douglas there was ONE.
ONE ..........................sheesh how many comments has the board got?
Wendy Alexander marked the first year of SNP government yesterday with an acrobatic U-turn with half-twist over an independence referendum?
my apologies douglas there was ONE.
ONE ..........................sheesh how many comments has the board got?
[quote]Talking of Tories, Alex Salmond is not inviting Margaret Thatcher to tea at Bute House. He would like to make clear that he is not up for basking in her aura, as Gordon Brown did at Downing Street, ahead of saying that he rather admires the former Prime Minister for her strength and determination. This was the first anniversary message to readers of the Daily Telegraph. The Morning Star has not interviewed him recently, but given the opportunity, he'd probably sing the praises of Fidel Castro's health policy.[/quote]
dougie tries out the tartan tory one........
whats next the nazi one?
Talking of Tories, Alex Salmond is not inviting Margaret Thatcher to tea at Bute House. He would like to make clear that he is not up for basking in her aura, as Gordon Brown did at Downing Street, ahead of saying that he rather admires the former Prime Minister for her strength and determination. This was the first anniversary message to readers of the Daily Telegraph. The Morning Star has not interviewed him recently, but given the opportunity, he'd probably sing the praises of Fidel Castro's health policy.
Douglas
I'm waiting for your thoughts on Wendy's acrobatics, I'd steer clear of that PR position if I were you, she's performing without a net once Gordon Brown bites the dust
Douglas
I'm waiting for your thoughts on Wendy's acrobatics, I'd steer clear of that PR position if I were you, she's performing without a net once Gordon Brown bites the dust
Oh dear Douglas,
Do you really think that all the disaffected Labour supporters, 10% tax etc, will turn to the tories? If you do you are even more deluded than Broon or Wen D.
When you pitch Labour against a party of lower prescription charges, building council houses, keeping open E&A etc, the is no contest.
Read Brian on the BBC blog for a real report on the famous U Turn.
Oh dear Douglas,
Do you really think that all the disaffected Labour supporters, 10% tax etc, will turn to the tories? If you do you are even more deluded than Broon or Wen D.
When you pitch Labour against a party of lower prescription charges, building council houses, keeping open E&A etc, the is no contest.
Read Brian on the BBC blog for a real report on the famous U Turn.
[quote]If that's true, you have to wonder why Wendy Alexander marked the first year of SNP government yesterday with an acrobatic U-turn with half-twist over an independence referendum?[/quote]
Ok I've wondered and here's my considered thought. She is a wee lassie sadly out of her depth. The progeny of a traditional Labour party family, of which great things were expected. She has unfortunately proved to be ill at ease when under pressure, graceless in defeat a bully, a nippy sweety and lacking the basic faculty that says when you attempt bravado on national telly, people will pick you up for it.
How's that for wondering, Douglas?
If that's true, you have to wonder why Wendy Alexander marked the first year of SNP government yesterday with an acrobatic U-turn with half-twist over an independence referendum?
Ok I've wondered and here's my considered thought. She is a wee lassie sadly out of her depth. The progeny of a traditional Labour party family, of which great things were expected. She has unfortunately proved to be ill at ease when under pressure, graceless in defeat a bully, a nippy sweety and lacking the basic faculty that says when you attempt bravado on national telly, people will pick you up for it.
Posted by: george alexander at 11:13pm on Mon 5 May 08
OK, what story will Douglas/Alf contrive this week in order to act as a 'spoiler'?
Will we see Douglas running with the 'SNP back off immediate referendum' line?.............we wait and see.
OK, what story will Douglas/Alf contrive this week in order to act as a 'spoiler'?
Will we see Douglas running with the 'SNP back off immediate referendum' line?.............we wait and see.
Yesterday I agreed to be given a lesson on what a program called [italic]Shipwrecked[/italic] is about in exchange for a short conversation of politics – it can be fun for a bore such as I to hear the real views of the average electorate rather than from those who know every nuance of every word ever uttered in Holyrood.
“So, who's Wendy Alexander?” the Scottish Labour (active) voter had to ask soon into the conversation! Heaven help them should apathy be replaced with improved Scottish news coverage and the feeling of being able to make a difference through the ballot box. This isn't the first time I've been asked the same question by someone prepared to offer their vote up to the anonymous leader. Wendy may tell us she's not scared of asking the public for our opinion but she ought to be – she might find even more of her traditional support abandoning her when they discover who she is.
Incidentally, from what I gathered [italic]Shipwrecked[/italic] is about some islands with a team of people on each one. The winning team is the island with the most people on it. It doesn't sound too dissimilar to Holyrood, though this past year we seem to have been gifted with the spin-off [italic]Sinking Fast[/italic].
Yesterday I agreed to be given a lesson on what a program called Shipwrecked is about in exchange for a short conversation of politics – it can be fun for a bore such as I to hear the real views of the average electorate rather than from those who know every nuance of every word ever uttered in Holyrood.
“So, who's Wendy Alexander?” the Scottish Labour (active) voter had to ask soon into the conversation! Heaven help them should apathy be replaced with improved Scottish news coverage and the feeling of being able to make a difference through the ballot box. This isn't the first time I've been asked the same question by someone prepared to offer their vote up to the anonymous leader. Wendy may tell us she's not scared of asking the public for our opinion but she ought to be – she might find even more of her traditional support abandoning her when they discover who she is.
Incidentally, from what I gathered Shipwrecked is about some islands with a team of people on each one. The winning team is the island with the most people on it. It doesn't sound too dissimilar to Holyrood, though this past year we seem to have been gifted with the spin-off Sinking Fast.
COMPLAINT TO THE HERALD
Why have you put the sports blog at the top of the page? This means I have to put in an extra mouse click in every time I want to read Douglas's or Robbie's blogs. Its so exasperating!
COMPLAINT TO THE HERALD
Why have you put the sports blog at the top of the page? This means I have to put in an extra mouse click in every time I want to read Douglas's or Robbie's blogs. Its so exasperating!
Posted by: Martin McDonald at 7:43pm on Tue 6 May 08
Gordon Brown. Wendy Alexander. Labour.
They STILL haven't got it. They honestly have no idea just how loathed and detested they are.
Watching the agonising death of the New Labour project is an absolute delight.
Isn't it Douglas?
Gordon Brown. Wendy Alexander. Labour.
They STILL haven't got it. They honestly have no idea just how loathed and detested they are.
Watching the agonising death of the New Labour project is an absolute delight.
Good morning Vietnam - sorry Douglas
Well - seems to be a bit of a turnaround in today's Herald.
It looks as though you may have just realised that maybe Wendy's brain isn't the biggest in the Universe after all.
And maybe New Labour aren't the annointed party any more.
Presume that you were on your way back from Damascus last night?
Please open up the comments tho' - we're all cracking up!
Slainte Mhor
Good morning Vietnam - sorry Douglas
Well - seems to be a bit of a turnaround in today's Herald.
It looks as though you may have just realised that maybe Wendy's brain isn't the biggest in the Universe after all.
And maybe New Labour aren't the annointed party any more.
Presume that you were on your way back from Damascus last night?
Please open up the comments tho' - we're all cracking up!
Slainte Mhor
Douglas, Douglas! What's with the 'no comments' again? You should think black, burning shame on yourselves for this..... again!
Disgusted and NOT buying a Herald until an explanation is forthcoming.
Robert
Douglas, Douglas! What's with the 'no comments' again? You should think black, burning shame on yourselves for this..... again!
Disgusted and NOT buying a Herald until an explanation is forthcoming.
Robert
i know it must seem really awful right now douglas but in time you will get over the english and welsh local elections. Just try to keep your chin up, i know it must be hard since slab are well.. how do i put this??...they have totally lost the plot really.
They start the calman commision become bffs with libdem and tories and then turn round and demand a referendum now, and totally make them look like complete idiots. though to be fair nicol is like that most of the time and annabel well she really should have known better.
I'm thinking a psychiatric evaluation is required and a very long holiday in a nice padded room, maybe wendy could do the same. shouldn't laugh at others misfortunes though nomatter how hilarious they are. Go have a wee lie down and pretend it is all just a bad dream, after all thats what labout have been doing for the past year, now they are just plain dillusional!
i know it must seem really awful right now douglas but in time you will get over the english and welsh local elections. Just try to keep your chin up, i know it must be hard since slab are well.. how do i put this??...they have totally lost the plot really.
They start the calman commision become bffs with libdem and tories and then turn round and demand a referendum now, and totally make them look like complete idiots. though to be fair nicol is like that most of the time and annabel well she really should have known better.
I'm thinking a psychiatric evaluation is required and a very long holiday in a nice padded room, maybe wendy could do the same. shouldn't laugh at others misfortunes though nomatter how hilarious they are. Go have a wee lie down and pretend it is all just a bad dream, after all thats what labout have been doing for the past year, now they are just plain dillusional!
Posted by: george alexander at 1:05pm on Wed 7 May 08
Well, Douglas/Alf didn't take long to put together an 'SNP spoiler' story, obviously hadn't the gall to run another 'Trumper'. They're in good company though as The Scotsman are running the same story as well.....................it's their main political item with no mention of Wendy.
No comments on it and I believe three Wendy stories in todays Herald. You're a sham Douglas.......and the thing is you know it yourself.
Well, Douglas/Alf didn't take long to put together an 'SNP spoiler' story, obviously hadn't the gall to run another 'Trumper'. They're in good company though as The Scotsman are running the same story as well.....................it's their main political item with no mention of Wendy.
No comments on it and I believe three Wendy stories in todays Herald. You're a sham Douglas.......and the thing is you know it yourself.
Wendy has had the rug pulled from under her by Gordon Brown this morning and the article that Gordon Brown supports a referendum is blown out of the water. Egg on face of some of these politicians and Jounalists who have a handle on the inside story!
Wendy has had the rug pulled from under her by Gordon Brown this morning and the article that Gordon Brown supports a referendum is blown out of the water. Egg on face of some of these politicians and Jounalists who have a handle on the inside story!