Outrage over Tatchell’s ‘gay William of Orange’ claims
A leading gay rights activist has raised the temperature in Northern Ireland's row over homosexuality, claiming there is evidence William of Orange had male lovers.
Peter Tatchell highlighted the claim as evidence of hypocrisy over homosexuality in Northern Ireland, but he was condemned by unionists for setting out to cause offence.
Mr Tatchell, who lobbies internationally for full rights for the gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender community will tonight deliver the Amnesty International Pride Lecture in Belfast.
His appearance at the city's week-long gay pride festival comes after senior Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) politician Iris Robinson, wife of Northern Ireland First Minister Peter Robinson, branded homosexuality an abomination.
Mr Tatchell said: "It is particularly hypocritical for unionist politicians to play the homophobic card when their hero, William of Orange, had male lovers."
King William, victor of the Battle of the Boyne in 1690, was married, but some academics have pointed to his promotion of young men to high office as evidence of bisexuality.
A DUP spokesman dismissed the allegation and accused Mr Tatchell of setting out to antagonise.
Mrs Robinson has repeatedly denied her remarks were homophobic, insisting she had Christian love for gay people and condemned anyone who would attack people for their sexuality.
But Australian-born Mr Tatchell, 56, said: "Iris Robinson's remarks are part of a pattern of homophobia that seems to characterise sections of Northern Irish society.
"She would never get away with making similar remarks about black or Jewish people."
"It is shameful that over 70 nations still outlaw homosexuality," he added.
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Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 10:38pm Sun 27 Jul 08
The Unionist Shame
Posted by: Curley Bill, the southwest on 11:05pm Sun 27 Jul 08
William of [italic]Pink,[/italic] surely?
Posted by: megz, glasgow on 11:17pm Sun 27 Jul 08
lol they don't take it well do they? (not aswell as old william alegedly did anyway haha)
lol they don't take it well do they? (not aswell as old william alegedly did anyway haha)
Posted by: britfree, camelon on 11:18pm Sun 27 Jul 08
i'm free (presbyterian) !
i'm free (presbyterian) !
Posted by: Curley Bill, the southwest on 11:25pm Sun 27 Jul 08
[quote]Australian-born Mr Tatchell,[/quote]
The man who came from down under.
[quote]some academics have pointed to his promotion of young men to high office as evidence of bisexuality.[/quote]
Yes, exactly - Balls, Milliband, Milliband, D-D-D-Darling, and of course, Little Dougie Alexander.
One wonders if Mr Tatchell was using King Billy as an allusion - remember what Mr Mandelson said...
Australian-born Mr Tatchell,
The man who came from down under.
some academics have pointed to his promotion of young men to high office as evidence of bisexuality.
Yes, exactly - Balls, Milliband, Milliband, D-D-D-Darling, and of course, Little Dougie Alexander.
One wonders if Mr Tatchell was using King Billy as an allusion - remember what Mr Mandelson said...
Posted by: megz, glasgow on 11:28pm Sun 27 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Curley Bill[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Australian-born Mr Tatchell,[/quote] The man who came from down under. [quote]some academics have pointed to his promotion of young men to high office as evidence of bisexuality.[/quote] Yes, exactly - Balls, Milliband, Milliband, D-D-D-Darling, and of course, Little Dougie Alexander. One wonders if Mr Tatchell was using King Billy as an allusion - remember what Mr Mandelson said... [/quote] mmm what did mandy say? I can guess what you are alluding to and i have to say i think someone has gone down the rock hudson route (ooer sounds a bit iffy lol).
Curley Bill wrote:
Australian-born Mr Tatchell,
The man who came from down under. some academics have pointed to his promotion of young men to high office as evidence of bisexuality.
Yes, exactly - Balls, Milliband, Milliband, D-D-D-Darling, and of course, Little Dougie Alexander. One wonders if Mr Tatchell was using King Billy as an allusion - remember what Mr Mandelson said...
mmm what did mandy say? I can guess what you are alluding to and i have to say i think someone has gone down the rock hudson route (ooer sounds a bit iffy lol).
Posted by: megz, glasgow on 11:33pm Sun 27 Jul 08
its ok i googled it
Posted by: frank mcbride, lusitania on 11:39pm Sun 27 Jul 08
No comments allowed on political issues!!!! WHY???
The Unionist media, again, attempts to use the sectarian angle!!!
Divide & Rule: The British way.
No comments allowed on political issues!!!! WHY???
The Unionist media, again, attempts to use the sectarian angle!!!
Divide & Rule: The British way.
Posted by: Curley Bill, the southwest on 11:39pm Sun 27 Jul 08
So did King Billy...
Posted by: Curley Bill, the southwest on 11:40pm Sun 27 Jul 08
B*gger! Frank slipped one in...
B*gger! Frank slipped one in...
Posted by: megz, glasgow on 11:48pm Sun 27 Jul 08
i did think he was a tad anal
i did think he was a tad anal
Posted by: megz, glasgow on 11:48pm Sun 27 Jul 08
retentive, alan retentive i mean.............
retentive, alan retentive i mean.............
Posted by: megz, glasgow on 11:49pm Sun 27 Jul 08
oops not alan, i'm sure he doesn't know any alans.
oops not alan, i'm sure he doesn't know any alans.
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 11:53pm Sun 27 Jul 08
Gives a whole new meaning to Billy's [italic]Boys[/italic]
Gives a whole new meaning to Billy's
Boys Posted by: nouveauxscum on 11:56pm Sun 27 Jul 08
Reminds me of that trash-art print of King Billy riding his white charger.
My tingling scummy senses tell me Doogie is in another huff. lol
Reminds me of that trash-art print of King Billy riding his white charger.
My tingling scummy senses tell me Doogie is in another huff. lol
Posted by: Curley Bill, the southwest on 11:56pm Sun 27 Jul 08
Is this why Billy always looks uncomfortable in the saddle?
Will the flute bands now stop playing the Sash and start playing Ring of Fire?
Will an Orange walk now be an Orange Mince?
Will the Celtic supporters refrain from making comment on this at the first Old Firm game?
Is this why Billy always looks uncomfortable in the saddle?
Will the flute bands now stop playing the Sash and start playing Ring of Fire?
Will an Orange walk now be an Orange Mince?
Will the Celtic supporters refrain from making comment on this at the first Old Firm game?
Posted by: Curley Bill, the southwest on 11:58pm Sun 27 Jul 08
Who's this Alan Retentive, Megz?
Who's this Alan Retentive, Megz?
Posted by: frank mcbride, lusitania on Mon 28 Jul 08
Curley,
I've no need to slip one in.
Kindly Yours,
Frank.
Curley,
I've no need to slip one in.
Kindly Yours,
Frank.
Posted by: megz, glasgow on 12:03am Mon 28 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Curley Bill[/bold] wrote:
Who's this Alan Retentive, Megz?[/quote] at this point it would be best not to specualte any further, i do not know any alan retentive and never have, and that is all i have to say on the matter. It was a slip of the tongue (or finger rather).lol
Curley Bill wrote:
Who's this Alan Retentive, Megz?
at this point it would be best not to specualte any further, i do not know any alan retentive and never have, and that is all i have to say on the matter. It was a slip of the tongue (or finger rather).lol
Posted by: megz, glasgow on 12:06am Mon 28 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Curley Bill[/bold] wrote:
Is this why Billy always looks uncomfortable in the saddle? Will the flute bands now stop playing the Sash and start playing Ring of Fire? Will an Orange walk now be an Orange Mince? Will the Celtic supporters refrain from making comment on this at the first Old Firm game?[/quote] i'm sure they will al be thinking about how billy would like it when they are blowing on their flutes.
Curley Bill wrote:
Is this why Billy always looks uncomfortable in the saddle? Will the flute bands now stop playing the Sash and start playing Ring of Fire? Will an Orange walk now be an Orange Mince? Will the Celtic supporters refrain from making comment on this at the first Old Firm game?
i'm sure they will al be thinking about how billy would like it when they are blowing on their flutes.
Posted by: Traquir, Alba on 12:07am Mon 28 Jul 08
Never heard that one before, but checking apparently it has
been rumoured before :
"The Intermediate Sex"
"A Study of some transitional types of
men and women"
by Edward Carpenter 1912
see - tinyurl.com/5jdcl4
In terms of Curley Bill's important question -
"Will the Celtic supporters refrain from making comment on this at the first Old Firm game?" - not a chance :)
Never heard that one before, but checking apparently it has
been rumoured before :
"The Intermediate Sex"
"A Study of some transitional types of
men and women"
by Edward Carpenter 1912
see - tinyurl.com/5jdcl4
In terms of Curley Bill's important question -
"Will the Celtic supporters refrain from making comment on this at the first Old Firm game?" - not a chance :)
Posted by: nouveauxscum on 12:10am Mon 28 Jul 08
In Northern Ireland, how has this actually gone down? So to speak... lol
In Northern Ireland, how has this actually gone down? So to speak... lol
Posted by: Nerva, Gloucester on 12:14am Mon 28 Jul 08
Don't tell anyone, but King James VI of Scotland, who became King James I of England, also had two male lovers. And he "authorised" what is the favourite version of the Bible for Protestants.
Don't tell anyone, but King James VI of Scotland, who became King James I of England, also had two male lovers. And he "authorised" what is the favourite version of the Bible for Protestants.
Posted by: megz, glasgow on 12:14am Mon 28 Jul 08
probably as well as pointing out to the KKK that jesus was jewish.
probably as well as pointing out to the KKK that jesus was jewish.
Posted by: nouveauxscum on 12:19am Mon 28 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Nerva[/bold] wrote:
Don't tell anyone, but King James VI of Scotland, who became King James I of England, also had two male lovers. And he "authorised" what is the favourite version of the Bible for Protestants.[/quote] Translated the thing himself I believe. Interpretation is another matter.
Nerva wrote:
Don't tell anyone, but King James VI of Scotland, who became King James I of England, also had two male lovers. And he "authorised" what is the favourite version of the Bible for Protestants.
Translated the thing himself I believe. Interpretation is another matter.
Posted by: Curley Bill, the southwest on 12:27am Mon 28 Jul 08
Well, I don't know, Frank.
Lusitania, hmm?
Sailor-boy, hmm?
Did you ever slip yer anchor, hmm?
Is there something you wish to share - or maybe not...
Well, I don't know, Frank.
Lusitania, hmm?
Sailor-boy, hmm?
Did you ever slip yer anchor, hmm?
Is there something you wish to share - or maybe not...
Posted by: Curley Bill, the southwest on 12:29am Mon 28 Jul 08
[bold]Megz[/bold] gasps:
[quote]It was a slip of the tongue[/quote]
(Ooh-err, missus!)
Megz gasps:
It was a slip of the tongue
(Ooh-err, missus!)
Posted by: juankerr, Scotland on 12:33am Mon 28 Jul 08
Am2 isn't going to be happy!
Mind you, perhaps the orange part comes from a michael hutchence type kinky thing? They just never said it was clenched between his teeth?
Am2 isn't going to be happy!
Mind you, perhaps the orange part comes from a michael hutchence type kinky thing? They just never said it was clenched between his teeth?
Posted by: megz, glasgow on 12:34am Mon 28 Jul 08
[quote][bold]nouveauxscum[/bold] wrote:
In Northern Ireland, how has this actually gone down? So to speak... lol[/quote] i head they are taking it on the chin....again very much the way billy liked it (allegedly)
nouveauxscum wrote:
In Northern Ireland, how has this actually gone down? So to speak... lol
i head they are taking it on the chin....again very much the way billy liked it (allegedly)
Posted by: megz, glasgow on 12:35am Mon 28 Jul 08
[quote]i head[/quote]
Obviously i meant heard, was thinking about something else when writing that haha.
i head
Obviously i meant heard, was thinking about something else when writing that haha.
Posted by: nouveauxscum on 12:45am Mon 28 Jul 08
I should point out in the interests of parity and levity (lol) that all Catholic Kings/Queens (ooeerr) and Popes are/were gay too and nazis to boot.
Nazis to boot? Mental imagery delightitudes. lol
Should stave off the humour deficient. lol
I should point out in the interests of parity and levity (lol) that all Catholic Kings/Queens (ooeerr) and Popes are/were gay too and nazis to boot.
Nazis to boot? Mental imagery delightitudes. lol
Should stave off the humour deficient. lol
Posted by: megz, glasgow on 12:47am Mon 28 Jul 08
[quote][bold]nouveauxscum[/bold] wrote:
I should point out in the interests of parity and levity (lol) that all Catholic Kings/Queens (ooeerr) and Popes are/were gay too and nazis to boot. Nazis to boot? Mental imagery delightitudes. lol Should stave off the humour deficient. lol[/quote] kind of sounds like one of those orgies that we have been hearing about lately, tho given that he won his case i'll say no more on it.
nouveauxscum wrote:
I should point out in the interests of parity and levity (lol) that all Catholic Kings/Queens (ooeerr) and Popes are/were gay too and nazis to boot. Nazis to boot? Mental imagery delightitudes. lol Should stave off the humour deficient. lol
kind of sounds like one of those orgies that we have been hearing about lately, tho given that he won his case i'll say no more on it.
Posted by: David on 12:48am Mon 28 Jul 08
Youse all will be damned to the fires of hell for your terrible lies. King Billy was a man's man and stood up for what he believed in and that was more than could be said for all em [bold]pansies playing their flutes[/bold] . King Billy was a drummer boy first last and always and that's the way he liked it. So there you f@@@@@ B'''''''
Youse all will be damned to the fires of hell for your terrible lies. King Billy was a man's man and stood up for what he believed in and that was more than could be said for all em
pansies playing their flutes . King Billy was a drummer boy first last and always and that's the way he liked it. So there you f@@@@@ B'''''''
Posted by: nouveauxscum on 12:51am Mon 28 Jul 08
[quote][bold]megz[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]nouveauxscum[/bold] wrote: I should point out in the interests of parity and levity (lol) that all Catholic Kings/Queens (ooeerr) and Popes are/were gay too and nazis to boot. Nazis to boot? Mental imagery delightitudes. lol Should stave off the humour deficient. lol[/quote] kind of sounds like one of those orgies that we have been hearing about lately, tho given that he won his case i'll say no more on it.[/quote] Begs the qustion Megz: If it it wasn't nazi themed, what was the theme? lol
megz wrote:
nouveauxscum wrote: I should point out in the interests of parity and levity (lol) that all Catholic Kings/Queens (ooeerr) and Popes are/were gay too and nazis to boot. Nazis to boot? Mental imagery delightitudes. lol Should stave off the humour deficient. lol
kind of sounds like one of those orgies that we have been hearing about lately, tho given that he won his case i'll say no more on it.
Begs the qustion Megz: If it it wasn't nazi themed, what was the theme? lol
Posted by: InfrequentAllele, Somewhere Sunny on 12:52am Mon 28 Jul 08
Dear God the postings here ... I've seen more mature, and indeed masculine, behaviour when two drag queens turn up at a party wearing identical frocks.
But you know when a drag queen is orange when he appears in the boa his father woa.
Dear God the postings here ... I've seen more mature, and indeed masculine, behaviour when two drag queens turn up at a party wearing identical frocks.
But you know when a drag queen is orange when he appears in the boa his father woa.
Posted by: nouveauxscum on 12:55am Mon 28 Jul 08
[quote][bold]InfrequentAllele[/bold] wrote:
Dear God the postings here ... I've seen more mature, and indeed masculine, behaviour when two drag queens turn up at a party wearing identical frocks. But you know when a drag queen is orange when he appears in the boa his father woa.[/quote] ha ha ha ha
pmsl
InfrequentAllele wrote:
Dear God the postings here ... I've seen more mature, and indeed masculine, behaviour when two drag queens turn up at a party wearing identical frocks. But you know when a drag queen is orange when he appears in the boa his father woa.
ha ha ha ha
pmsl
Posted by: Robbie, New Zealand on 3:39am Mon 28 Jul 08
“Dutch writers….. have been much more willing to accept the evidence that William was, indeed, bisexual.
http://www.glbtq.com
/social-sciences/wil
liam_III.html
“Dutch writers….. have been much more willing to accept the evidence that William was, indeed, bisexual.
http://www.glbtq.com
/social-sciences/wil
liam_III.html
Posted by: heavy, Glasgow on 8:21am Mon 28 Jul 08
Tatchell is at the EXTREME end of pushing gay rights down everyones throats. Though pointing out the
royal gay connection shows maybe WHY so much of the UK legislation is geared for homosexuals rather than
heterosexuals.
The Queen has more of them on her staff than any other sexual orientation. Kitty Kelleys book the Royals clearly stated that Diana got RID of all the gays working in her palace when her children were born as she did not trust them around her young sons. This has NEVER been carried in any other media story as Diana
would have then been considered a homophobe.
Tatchell is at the EXTREME end of pushing gay rights down everyones throats. Though pointing out the
royal gay connection shows maybe WHY so much of the UK legislation is geared for homosexuals rather than
heterosexuals.
The Queen has more of them on her staff than any other sexual orientation. Kitty Kelleys book the Royals clearly stated that Diana got RID of all the gays working in her palace when her children were born as she did not trust them around her young sons. This has NEVER been carried in any other media story as Diana
would have then been considered a homophobe.
Posted by: Lachlan, Stirling on 8:58am Mon 28 Jul 08
Will the lyrics be changed to: " The pretty, pink Sash My Father Wore........
Will the lyrics be changed to: " The pretty, pink Sash My Father Wore........
Posted by: Vronsky, Scotland on 9:11am Mon 28 Jul 08
Have you ever wondered why British male royals always stand or walk with both hands clasped behind their backs, covering their posteriors? Rule defensively.
Have you ever wondered why British male royals always stand or walk with both hands clasped behind their backs, covering their posteriors? Rule defensively.
Posted by: sam, greenock on 9:12am Mon 28 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Curley Bill[/bold] wrote:
So did King Billy...[/quote] Queen Billy shirley?
Curley Bill wrote:
So did King Billy...
Queen Billy shirley?
Posted by: Politically-incorrec
t Man, Glasgow on 9:18am Mon 28 Jul 08
Was on an organised outing to Belfast to see Mr Tatchel, was going up the back way via Antrim when I came over all queer and had to pull out and go back home; came as a great dissappointment.
Was on an organised outing to Belfast to see Mr Tatchel, was going up the back way via Antrim when I came over all queer and had to pull out and go back home; came as a great dissappointment.
Posted by: Carnwarth on 9:32am Mon 28 Jul 08
[quote][bold]heavy[/bold] wrote:
Tatchell is at the EXTREME end of pushing gay rights down everyones throats. Though pointing out the royal gay connection shows maybe WHY so much of the UK legislation is geared for homosexuals rather than heterosexuals. The Queen has more of them on her staff than any other sexual orientation. Kitty Kelleys book the Royals clearly stated that Diana got RID of all the gays working in her palace when her children were born as she did not trust them around her young sons. This has NEVER been carried in any other media story as Diana would have then been considered a homophobe.[/quote] What a sad, weird world you live in.
heavy wrote:
Tatchell is at the EXTREME end of pushing gay rights down everyones throats. Though pointing out the royal gay connection shows maybe WHY so much of the UK legislation is geared for homosexuals rather than heterosexuals. The Queen has more of them on her staff than any other sexual orientation. Kitty Kelleys book the Royals clearly stated that Diana got RID of all the gays working in her palace when her children were born as she did not trust them around her young sons. This has NEVER been carried in any other media story as Diana would have then been considered a homophobe.
What a sad, weird world you live in.
Posted by: macca, aldershot on 9:35am Mon 28 Jul 08
King Billy the only man in the flute band who insisted on playing the "pink oboe"
King Billy the only man in the flute band who insisted on playing the "pink oboe"
Posted by: Oscar on 9:45am Mon 28 Jul 08
Up to his knees in fenian... what?
Bend over or I'll simply die!
Up to his knees in fenian... what?
Bend over or I'll simply die!
Posted by: DAVE, Southside, Glasgow on 9:49am Mon 28 Jul 08
Wee George Galloway will be pleased - more bile to use against the Protestants whom he absolutely despises.
Wee George Galloway will be pleased - more bile to use against the Protestants whom he absolutely despises.
Posted by: George, Glasgow on 10:07am Mon 28 Jul 08
Dear oh dear. Some unseemly hysteria here. As for the allegation about William, it's hardly new.
Dear oh dear. Some unseemly hysteria here. As for the allegation about William, it's hardly new.
Posted by: crieff resident, strathearn on 10:27am Mon 28 Jul 08
While we're at the trivial facts stage James VI had a morbid fear of water so never washed and only had one bath in his entire life. You could smell him coming so to speak! Oops, this is getting silly...
While we're at the trivial facts stage James VI had a morbid fear of water so never washed and only had one bath in his entire life. You could smell him coming so to speak! Oops, this is getting silly...
Posted by: aljok.23, the world on 10:31am Mon 28 Jul 08
The question of whether he was or wasn’t has no bearing. Elton John has a greater following furchrissake. People have progressed through ranks of office and military and showbiz and suchlike since time began because of their affiliation with one thing or another , be it sexuality, religion, hobbies, beliefs, charities and associations. There are many minority elements throughout the world, many languages, people discriminating between them reflecting on who influences them and who they are growing / have grown to be. Stay clear of the fire and the clay will stay soft.
The question of whether he was or wasn’t has no bearing. Elton John has a greater following furchrissake. People have progressed through ranks of office and military and showbiz and suchlike since time began because of their affiliation with one thing or another , be it sexuality, religion, hobbies, beliefs, charities and associations. There are many minority elements throughout the world, many languages, people discriminating between them reflecting on who influences them and who they are growing / have grown to be. Stay clear of the fire and the clay will stay soft.
Posted by: Christina de Kéroualle, Aberdeen on 10:48am Mon 28 Jul 08
Again no comments on the Labour Party Political Broadcasts from the resident third rate hack.
Again no comments on the Labour Party Political Broadcasts from the resident third rate hack.
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