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No 10 hints at compromise with rebels to avoid terror law defeat
MICHAEL SETTLEMay 17 2008

Downing Street last night stood firm on the issue of 42 days' pre-charge detention for terror suspects but hinted it might give ground to the rebels over the related issues of parliamentary and judicial oversight of terror cases to stave off a damaging Commons defeat.

With June 10 or 11 pencilled in for the crunch Westminster vote on the UK Government's flagship Counter Terrorism Bill, the persuasive charms of Geoff Hoon, the Chief Whip, and Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, are being employed on potential rebels who could inflict another embarrassing blow on an already beleaguered Gordon Brown seeking to regain the political initiative.

The Prime Minister's spokesman, asked if the UK Government was preparing the ground for a tactical retreat, insisted: "There can be no question of any compromise on 42 days."

The possible deal to dissuade back benchers from rebelling is thought could include: first, ministers declaring an "exceptional need" to use the proposed power of detaining someone up to six weeks, including such circumstances as the discovery of multiple terror plots; secondly, authorisation by Westminster brought down from taking 30 days to just seven; and, thirdly, a review by a judge of the parliamentary use of such a power.

One UK Government insider said: "The rebels are not going to be fobbed off with small stuff, but once you get to the detail the differences between the two sides are bridgeable."

Yesterday, rebel Labour MPs tabled their amendment, which would block the PM's bid to extend pre-charge detention to 42 days. One, David Winnick, the MP for Walsall North said: "There is a reasonable chance the government will be defeated but I do accept it will do everything in its power to try to persuade some of my colleagues to agree on the basis of various concessions."

While the police are backing the UK Government, other forces are set against it, including Lord Goldsmith, the former Attorney General, Sir Ken Macdonald, the Director of Public Prosecutions, and the Conservatives, LibDems and Nationalists. On Wednesday, Westminster's Joint Committee on Human Rights, made up of MPs and peers, said an extended detention limit was "unnecessary".

Civil rights campaigners also oppose Mr Brown's plan. Last night, Shami Chakrabarti from Liberty said: "Parliamentarians of all parties have united in opposition to this dangerous and counter-productive measure. In the face of all evidence, ministers talk of exceptional powers then deliver a bill that would allow six weeks' detention to become almost the norm. Now is the time to put principle over politics. We urge the government to think again."

However, Mr Brown received support from an unexpected quarter - Frank Field, the Birkenhead MP who led the 10p tax rebellion and who last week publicly apologised to the PM for making his campaign personal.

The ex-minister told GMTV's Sunday Programme in a pre-recorded interview that Mr Brown was "dead in tune with the country and should fight the corner" on the 42 days issue.


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Posted by: Luigi, Aberdeen on 10:03am Sat 17 May 08
"The rebels are not going to be fobbed off with small stuff, but once you get to the detail the differences between the two sides are bridgeable."

Come on! - the fake labour rebels are always "fobbed off with small stuff" becaue they have no real conviction. When it comes to the crunch, they always back off - all talk and no real action. A bunch of spineless losers.
Posted by: stonehaven on 10:16am Sat 17 May 08
Internment by any other name. Have they learned nothing from history?
Posted by: puskas, East Kilbride on 3:24pm Sat 17 May 08
Rebels' ?
Posted by: George Laird, Glasgow on 4:21pm Sat 17 May 08
Dear All

One can hold Frank Field in nothing but contempt for his grovelling apology to Gordon Brown and now his support for detention without charge for 42 days.

There is no evidence for 42 days and as Diane Abbott states on numerous ocassions, this is nothing to do with terrorism and everything to do with politics by Brown.

What is Field playing at?

The word cowardly is not too strong.

Yours sincerely

George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University
Posted by: allymax, yuk on 5:57pm Sat 17 May 08
"No 10 hints at compromise with rebels to avoid terror law defeat"

Representative democracy is dead; forget about what the public want from their constituency representative, these so-called parliamentary representatives do whatever the party line tells them to do. I don't know anyone that wants to give more draconian autority to the nasty police. Who the feck votes these gits in?

The sooner we get independence for Scotland, and away from the evil westminster government the better and fairer Scots politics will be.
Posted by: cor, dumfriesshire on 4:25am Mon 19 May 08
why is this story never reported correctly.. Labor want to bring in 6 week impressments for innocent people, so back-lash from media coverage can be avoided. -to clarify this statement; if there is a *shred* of evidence then they would simply be charged ergo its not targeted at terrorists (they need that shred of evidence to make a raid in the first place). this is the Misheel Narantsogt attitude, the 'wait for a busy news day and do whatever we want' government.
Posted by: Donald Anderson, glasgow on 11:04am Mon 19 May 08
British Terrorists Out Of Scotland!
Posted by: Peter Thomson, Labour - liars from their bootstraps on 11:24am Mon 19 May 08
I notice that once again the Herald is censoring any column which could be deemed to allow comments the slightest way critical of the Union.

We have Anwar of the dodgy postal voting commenting on the disaster presided over by Douglas the Wendy that was the 2007 Holyrood Election but where is the condemnation of the disaster led by the Scottish Office, why no comment from Des 'two jobs' Browne, the selective use of the comment of Gould's saying that he could not truthfully say the Holyrood election was fair in an attempt to subvert the legitimacy of the SNP Government in Holyrood. Can we comment on how we've spotted this pathetic attempt to denigrate Holyrood - nope!

Distinct lack of Douglas Fraser around the political comments - is he one of the Herald journo's taking early redundancy after he lost it with Wendy last week?

How will Brownovitch be able to enforce this detention law in Scotland if the Scottish judiciary deem it in breach of the human rights legislation as an autonomous legal system?

This is the Unionist concept of freedom of speech? Stop comments where we know we are going to get ripped to bits by informed bloggers who do their research.

The quicker the Herald and Hootsman go down the pan the better. These papers are a disgrace to Scottish Journalism with their peddling of Labour and Unionist press releases as serious journalism.

Get a spine or be gone!
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