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Posted by: Cass, Spain on 10:05am Fri 16 May 08
I hope Gorbals Mick is not using tax payers money to fund this legal challenge and it is coming out of the "Hands in the Till" MP's personal accounts who abuse this privilege.
I hope Gorbals Mick is not using tax payers money to fund this legal challenge and it is coming out of the "Hands in the Till" MP's personal accounts who abuse this privilege.
Posted by: subrosa on 10:11am Fri 16 May 08
What an optimist you are cass. I'm pleased with the result but surely it couldn't have been anything else could it?
Disgraceful waste of taxpayers money though. Martin has no shame. But then do any of the labour bunch.
What an optimist you are cass. I'm pleased with the result but surely it couldn't have been anything else could it?
Disgraceful waste of taxpayers money though. Martin has no shame. But then do any of the labour bunch.
Posted by: Rab The Man, Was My Uncle on 10:14am Fri 16 May 08
Mickey Martin is a complete toerag who shames those former Zanu PF-like labour voters who put his nose into the trough in the first place.
A disgrace to Scotland and to the labour movement (although he's getting very hard to pick out from the rest of them in the latter).
Die of shame Mick.......and don't keep us waiting, Eh?
Mickey Martin is a complete toerag who shames those former Zanu PF-like labour voters who put his nose into the trough in the first place.
A disgrace to Scotland and to the labour movement (although he's getting very hard to pick out from the rest of them in the latter).
Die of shame Mick.......and don't keep us waiting, Eh?
Posted by: Toophingers, Bellshill. on 10:21am Fri 16 May 08
The best news since sliced bread.
Now keep a watch on all ports and airports.
The best news since sliced bread.
Now keep a watch on all ports and airports.
Posted by: preddo53, leeds on 11:00am Fri 16 May 08
You have to hand it to nu lab, they are so feckin inept, they can't even keep their secrets secret, they start a ball rolling and when they can't stop it they all stand open mouthed. I wonder what they think of the freedom of information act now, tee hee. it's the same with devolution. They gave Scotland devolution and seemed surprised they quite liked running their own country, so now they want independence nu lab are all stood round open mouthed, it's funny don't you think, What a bunch of ****'s, but you have to laugh.
You have to hand it to nu lab, they are so feckin inept, they can't even keep their secrets secret, they start a ball rolling and when they can't stop it they all stand open mouthed. I wonder what they think of the freedom of information act now, tee hee. it's the same with devolution. They gave Scotland devolution and seemed surprised they quite liked running their own country, so now they want independence nu lab are all stood round open mouthed, it's funny don't you think, What a bunch of ****'s, but you have to laugh.
Posted by: ex labour voter, glasgow on 11:01am Fri 16 May 08
Greedy piggy martin and his mob of spongers will still snort public funds like grunting, slabbering greedy pigs.
Receipts can be tampered with.
Greedy piggy martin and his mob of spongers will still snort public funds like grunting, slabbering greedy pigs.
Receipts can be tampered with.
Posted by: The Laird, Germany on 11:16am Fri 16 May 08
Good! Now lets have some fun by doing a bit of scrutiny ........ and taking to task. :-)
Good! Now lets have some fun by doing a bit of scrutiny ........ and taking to task. :-)
Posted by: Politically-incorrec
t Man, Glasgow on 11:39am Fri 16 May 08
Bet you that so many are on the fiddle that they will declare a general amnesty and appoint some future date from whence "rigour" will be applied in the scrutiny of expense claims.
Bet you that so many are on the fiddle that they will declare a general amnesty and appoint some future date from whence "rigour" will be applied in the scrutiny of expense claims.
Posted by: megz, glasgow on 12:11pm Fri 16 May 08
what exactly do they have to hide? do they think that the public will be disgusted by what their tax goes to pay for? They probably will, considering none of us get £10k for a new kitchen £6k for a bathroom we have to buy everything from our own newspapers to dinner which these parsites don't, hell some of them don't even pay for their tv licence!
what exactly do they have to hide? do they think that the public will be disgusted by what their tax goes to pay for? They probably will, considering none of us get £10k for a new kitchen £6k for a bathroom we have to buy everything from our own newspapers to dinner which these parsites don't, hell some of them don't even pay for their tv licence!
Posted by: Macthickey, Irvine on 12:31pm Fri 16 May 08
Best news since slice bread. Now lets get them where it will realy hurt. Aparently a law has been passed to have ' Lie Detectors' in
Benefit Offices check on benefit cheats. Ok.
Now if Tony Blair had been subject to a Lie Detector check on WMDs before Iraq war , maybe there might have been a different Outcome
and war averted. In fact if there is a 'smell' on any subject like as in
'Expense Claims' give them an option . Take the Test or loose your
expense claim. Put that in yer Manifestos.
Best news since slice bread. Now lets get them where it will realy hurt. Aparently a law has been passed to have ' Lie Detectors' in
Benefit Offices check on benefit cheats. Ok.
Now if Tony Blair had been subject to a Lie Detector check on WMDs before Iraq war , maybe there might have been a different Outcome
and war averted. In fact if there is a 'smell' on any subject like as in
'Expense Claims' give them an option . Take the Test or loose your
expense claim. Put that in yer Manifestos.
Posted by: HGlasgwegian, Glasgow on 1:00pm Fri 16 May 08
I see no objection to disclosing expenses but personal address details should not be released.
I see no objection to disclosing expenses but personal address details should not be released.
Posted by: Victor Smith on 1:16pm Fri 16 May 08
Any MP (or MSP!) who is either in receipt of an official expenses allowance regarding a ‘second home’ - allocated within the ‘New’ rules, because his / her Political situation makes it necessary, should not be allowed to 'pick and choose' on which 'they' decide is their 'second home' to make it more financially advantageous to them! That surely must be a decision made, and to stand by, nominated by the 'Authority'. after considering all matters involved!
If it is going to be cheaper for the taxpayer - one against the other, the cheaper arrangement must always be the one 'authorised!'
As, no doubt, MP's personal financial standings will vary, and some have standards he / she can afford, against another who doesn't value, or cannot personally afford the higher standard - so be it. They should all only be allowed the same amount of expenses to run their 'second officially authorised home!' - no ifs or buts! Any standard required, higher than within the allowance, must be of their own personal expense!
All expenses claims down to the last penny must be backed with official receipts, and based on the principle ‘No Receipt no claim - for anything, and kept by the claims office for audit purposes of future record when paid!
Shouldn’t need two bathroom installations - ever, but it might happen if not watched!
Expenses claims against maintaining any other property classified as ‘private’ - is not acceptable. Any MP accommodated under ‘Grace and Favour’ rules, due to political status, should not be allowed any expenses - to do with any other privately owned property - mortgaged, rented or whatever, isn't that what salaries are paid for - it seems to be for everyone else!
The 'corruption' and what must also obviously be 'great collusion' with others in this 'expenses' lark (otherwise it shouldn't / couldn’t happen!) must cease, and investigations to that end should commence and any untoward activity (fraud) when discovered, the person involved, regardless of status, which must then reduce them to a ' Fraudster' - must be prosecuted accordingly and suitably penalised!
If this activity entails the Government and probably many others in the Political field, being placed in prison - so be it! There has to be a meaningful penalty in order to abolish such future fraudulent activity!
I now wonder which feeble excuses will be found and put forward, in an endeavour to tell us that all has been 'investigated' - rules have not been broken deliberately - only mis-understood and all is OK!
Alternatively a bit of ' extremely serious Public leg-slapping' for some minion in the 'game' - and all will be carried on as if nothing wrong has been discovered - at least that warrants a prosecution! This now seems to be the standard and required / desired answer of the day for many of our wayward Politicians when accused - of anything!
Will the warning lights be seen, and acknowledged, appropriate steps be taken by all concerned / involved - or will someone have to be strapped to the mast and severely ‘lashed’ accordingly - which seems to be the only action left to achieve improvement necessary!!
Any MP (or MSP!) who is either in receipt of an official expenses allowance regarding a ‘second home’ - allocated within the ‘New’ rules, because his / her Political situation makes it necessary, should not be allowed to 'pick and choose' on which 'they' decide is their 'second home' to make it more financially advantageous to them! That surely must be a decision made, and to stand by, nominated by the 'Authority'. after considering all matters involved!
If it is going to be cheaper for the taxpayer - one against the other, the cheaper arrangement must always be the one 'authorised!'
As, no doubt, MP's personal financial standings will vary, and some have standards he / she can afford, against another who doesn't value, or cannot personally afford the higher standard - so be it. They should all only be allowed the same amount of expenses to run their 'second officially authorised home!' - no ifs or buts! Any standard required, higher than within the allowance, must be of their own personal expense!
All expenses claims down to the last penny must be backed with official receipts, and based on the principle ‘No Receipt no claim - for anything, and kept by the claims office for audit purposes of future record when paid!
Shouldn’t need two bathroom installations - ever, but it might happen if not watched!
Expenses claims against maintaining any other property classified as ‘private’ - is not acceptable. Any MP accommodated under ‘Grace and Favour’ rules, due to political status, should not be allowed any expenses - to do with any other privately owned property - mortgaged, rented or whatever, isn't that what salaries are paid for - it seems to be for everyone else!
The 'corruption' and what must also obviously be 'great collusion' with others in this 'expenses' lark (otherwise it shouldn't / couldn’t happen!) must cease, and investigations to that end should commence and any untoward activity (fraud) when discovered, the person involved, regardless of status, which must then reduce them to a ' Fraudster' - must be prosecuted accordingly and suitably penalised!
If this activity entails the Government and probably many others in the Political field, being placed in prison - so be it! There has to be a meaningful penalty in order to abolish such future fraudulent activity!
I now wonder which feeble excuses will be found and put forward, in an endeavour to tell us that all has been 'investigated' - rules have not been broken deliberately - only mis-understood and all is OK!
Alternatively a bit of ' extremely serious Public leg-slapping' for some minion in the 'game' - and all will be carried on as if nothing wrong has been discovered - at least that warrants a prosecution! This now seems to be the standard and required / desired answer of the day for many of our wayward Politicians when accused - of anything!
Will the warning lights be seen, and acknowledged, appropriate steps be taken by all concerned / involved - or will someone have to be strapped to the mast and severely ‘lashed’ accordingly - which seems to be the only action left to achieve improvement necessary!!
Posted by: Vivas, Embra on 1:35pm Fri 16 May 08
A few MP's names and amounts were released a few weeks ago. Presumably this stuff they were trying to hold back through Gorbals attempted block, is much more interesting.
I fully expect the tories to have filled their boots, greed is their middle name after all. But it's the representatives of "the peoples party" who will draw my interest. Whilst wee Senga has had to go cap-in-hand for tax credits, lets see how many worthy Labour MP's have been raking it in.
True it'll hurt all parties and all politicians, but Labour MP's should take the heat on account of their (ahem) redistributive principles...
A few MP's names and amounts were released a few weeks ago. Presumably this stuff they were trying to hold back through Gorbals attempted block, is much more interesting.
I fully expect the tories to have filled their boots, greed is their middle name after all. But it's the representatives of "the peoples party" who will draw my interest. Whilst wee Senga has had to go cap-in-hand for tax credits, lets see how many worthy Labour MP's have been raking it in.
True it'll hurt all parties and all politicians, but Labour MP's should take the heat on account of their (ahem) redistributive principles...
Posted by: Cuthulan, approx.12,000 miles from Earths core on 1:54pm Fri 16 May 08
Victor Smith
I totally agree ,but rather than a committe ,which is more taxpayers money to a bunch of fraudsters with expense forms, willing to take "Brown" envelopes for better housing . Its simple ,Halls of Residence for MSP's. Get voted in ,you get a key to a residence right next to work ,after you pay the key deposit! When you get voted out ,you hand back the key and you get your deposit back ,minus any damage payments. The Hall of Residence will belong to the people and so any increase in value of the property will go to the people.
MSP's wages should be an average wage in Scotland ,no more no less. A clock in clock out timer should be installed in the Parliment and in thier constituency practices and you only get paid for the hours you work! If you want professional wages ,go work in a private sector professional job BUT you will be expected to come up to PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS are you listening WENDY . If I was found to have taken an illegal payement of 950 pounds ,NO ifs or buts ,I'd be out the door so fast, escorted by security!!
As for thier pensions!! That has to stop immediately , you get the same pension rights as the rest of us mate!
MP's are overpaid ,underworked ,undertalented ,corrupt and suffer from delusions of grandure .They forget, THEY are the SERVANTS of the PUBLIC and NOT the otherway round. You want to know what we earn so you can tax us , well then ,we want to know what you earn ,especially as WE ARE THE ONES PAYING YOU!!!!!!
Victor Smith
I totally agree ,but rather than a committe ,which is more taxpayers money to a bunch of fraudsters with expense forms, willing to take "Brown" envelopes for better housing . Its simple ,Halls of Residence for MSP's. Get voted in ,you get a key to a residence right next to work ,after you pay the key deposit! When you get voted out ,you hand back the key and you get your deposit back ,minus any damage payments. The Hall of Residence will belong to the people and so any increase in value of the property will go to the people.
MSP's wages should be an average wage in Scotland ,no more no less. A clock in clock out timer should be installed in the Parliment and in thier constituency practices and you only get paid for the hours you work! If you want professional wages ,go work in a private sector professional job BUT you will be expected to come up to PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS are you listening WENDY . If I was found to have taken an illegal payement of 950 pounds ,NO ifs or buts ,I'd be out the door so fast, escorted by security!!
As for thier pensions!! That has to stop immediately , you get the same pension rights as the rest of us mate!
MP's are overpaid ,underworked ,undertalented ,corrupt and suffer from delusions of grandure .They forget, THEY are the SERVANTS of the PUBLIC and NOT the otherway round. You want to know what we earn so you can tax us , well then ,we want to know what you earn ,especially as WE ARE THE ONES PAYING YOU!!!!!!
Posted by: cammfow, Glasgow on 2:08pm Fri 16 May 08
call me a cynic if you want,. but this will be just another waste of money.
All that will happen is feeble excuses and a change in the rules(to benefit the lowlife politicians).
Nobody will get sacked,charged or deselected.
just a change in the rules so the pigs can get back to the trough asap.
call me a cynic if you want,. but this will be just another waste of money.
All that will happen is feeble excuses and a change in the rules(to benefit the lowlife politicians).
Nobody will get sacked,charged or deselected.
just a change in the rules so the pigs can get back to the trough asap.
Posted by: Paddy, Govan on 2:21pm Fri 16 May 08
Think that's bad? Check out the Treasury website for the £45 BILLION in tax fraud and evasion that Labour lets it's big business pals steal every year! Makes the estimated £700 million in benefit fraud look like chickenfeed.
Think that's bad? Check out the Treasury website for the £45 BILLION in tax fraud and evasion that Labour lets it's big business pals steal every year! Makes the estimated £700 million in benefit fraud look like chickenfeed.
Posted by: Free Thinker, North Lanarkshire on 2:31pm Fri 16 May 08
[bold]£4000.00 = Lovely holiday for family of four in the Canaries.[/bold]
£4000.00 = Lovely holiday for family of four in the Canaries. Posted by: Toophingers, Bellshill. on 2:57pm Fri 16 May 08
More fiddler's than the MOD - Highland MOD that is, not Des Browne's military MOD. The sounds of the strings being pulled there would deafen you. £90m annually in rents to a housing set-up and private landlords for empty houses, many unfit for habitation even by Britain's armed forces families,is just the tip of a very big iceberg.
More fiddler's than the MOD - Highland MOD that is, not Des Browne's military MOD. The sounds of the strings being pulled there would deafen you. £90m annually in rents to a housing set-up and private landlords for empty houses, many unfit for habitation even by Britain's armed forces families,is just the tip of a very big iceberg.
Posted by: Jwil, Lanarkshire on 4:21pm Fri 16 May 08
Are some MPs already running for cover?
Are some MPs already running for cover?
Posted by: David Alexander, Affshore, dying to get home on 4:23pm Fri 16 May 08
Whit aboot the vulnerable weans?
BTW, I noticed in another report that one of the Manchester Police dugs hurt its paw so maybe Wendy might like to sort that one out.
Where's Nichol in all of this? His heid must be spinning with the reek of sleaze.
Whit aboot the vulnerable weans?
BTW, I noticed in another report that one of the Manchester Police dugs hurt its paw so maybe Wendy might like to sort that one out.
Where's Nichol in all of this? His heid must be spinning with the reek of sleaze.
Posted by: Angus on 5:00pm Fri 16 May 08
[quote][bold]HGlasgwegian[/bold] wrote:
I see no objection to disclosing expenses but personal address details should not be released.[/quote] Agreed
HGlasgwegian wrote:
I see no objection to disclosing expenses but personal address details should not be released.
Agreed
Posted by: nurse bill, dumfries on 5:20pm Fri 16 May 08
Good result at the High Court today for openness and honesty,something that allegedly we see too little of at Westminster and too much of what's passed for custom and practice since the year dot.Just because something's not illegal doesn't mean that it's always right.It's not only the Thames that runs along and under the Houses of Parliament but the sewers as well!
Publish what every penny is spent on is the only answer as it's what Joe Public has to do for his expenses at work.
By the by - anyone else heard the other scandal down south about shadow ministers getting mega money from private companies to help run their offices(companies related to their ministerial department,that is).All legal,apparently,but that doesn't mean it's right.
The stench is getting higher as we blog,people.
Good result at the High Court today for openness and honesty,something that allegedly we see too little of at Westminster and too much of what's passed for custom and practice since the year dot.Just because something's not illegal doesn't mean that it's always right.It's not only the Thames that runs along and under the Houses of Parliament but the sewers as well!
Publish what every penny is spent on is the only answer as it's what Joe Public has to do for his expenses at work.
By the by - anyone else heard the other scandal down south about shadow ministers getting mega money from private companies to help run their offices(companies related to their ministerial department,that is).All legal,apparently,but that doesn't mean it's right.
The stench is getting higher as we blog,people.
Posted by: Observer, Glasgow on 5:37pm Fri 16 May 08
[quote][bold]HGlasgwegian[/bold] wrote:
I see no objection to disclosing expenses but personal address details should not be released.[/quote] They don't need to release any personal data about themselves whatsoever, that is covered under the data protection act and has been all the time. Our ''Honourable'' friends have been at it, making up daft excuses that wouldn't fool a wean.
HGlasgwegian wrote:
I see no objection to disclosing expenses but personal address details should not be released.
They don't need to release any personal data about themselves whatsoever, that is covered under the data protection act and has been all the time. Our ''Honourable'' friends have been at it, making up daft excuses that wouldn't fool a wean.
Posted by: beckypumps1, fife on 7:50pm Fri 16 May 08
Now it is time to shame some MPS if that is possible. also I wish they would stop using the word Honourable, when I see or hear it I feel they are taking the p***.
Now it is time to shame some MPS if that is possible. also I wish they would stop using the word Honourable, when I see or hear it I feel they are taking the p***.
Posted by: Exiled Aussie, Banff on 9:54pm Fri 16 May 08
[quote][bold]beckypumps1[/bold] wrote:
Now it is time to shame some MPS if that is possible. also I wish they would stop using the word Honourable, when I see or hear it I feel they are taking the p***.[/quote] While on the subject of honour, what about Diminutive appointing a Justice Minister (police., law and order in general etc) who was arrested in London for being "drunk an disorderly" - was it because that MSP he would be an expert on yobs ?
Is that the image the[bold] TARTAN TORIES[/bold] wish to portray to Scotland - and indeed to the poor folk (inc cops) in Manchester after the behaviour of the 'gers' supporters, who, one of the Nats here wishes to welcome into their ranks cos a Labour MP suggested that the Ibrox club be banned from Europe for a year because of the hooliganism of its fans ?
They're welcome to them !
beckypumps1 wrote:
Now it is time to shame some MPS if that is possible. also I wish they would stop using the word Honourable, when I see or hear it I feel they are taking the p***.
While on the subject of honour, what about Diminutive appointing a Justice Minister (police., law and order in general etc) who was arrested in London for being "drunk an disorderly" - was it because that MSP he would be an expert on yobs ?
Is that the image the
TARTAN TORIES wish to portray to Scotland - and indeed to the poor folk (inc cops) in Manchester after the behaviour of the 'gers' supporters, who, one of the Nats here wishes to welcome into their ranks cos a Labour MP suggested that the Ibrox club be banned from Europe for a year because of the hooliganism of its fans ?
They're welcome to them !
Posted by: soloman, Stirling on 10:17pm Fri 16 May 08
Exiled Aussie.
I guess that if this is the standard punishment for such evil acts then that should be the punishment. If however past games with similar acts had a less severe punishment then I think that the punishment for Rangers should be of a similar nature.
With regards to the Justice Minister, if he was involved in drunkeness then he probably paid his dues, just like the fellow who set the curtains on fire while drunk and unlike Lord Foulkes who used his power to escape justice.
Anyway how about the expenses! Should the law breakers face a jury on a charge of fraud?
Exiled Aussie.
I guess that if this is the standard punishment for such evil acts then that should be the punishment. If however past games with similar acts had a less severe punishment then I think that the punishment for Rangers should be of a similar nature.
With regards to the Justice Minister, if he was involved in drunkeness then he probably paid his dues, just like the fellow who set the curtains on fire while drunk and unlike Lord Foulkes who used his power to escape justice.
Anyway how about the expenses! Should the law breakers face a jury on a charge of fraud?
Posted by: ditchgazza on 11:08pm Fri 16 May 08
I hope they look into Bliars expenses.
He's just bought his sixth home, this one costing £4m. There is no way he could afford all them on his parliamentary pension even with royalties from his book and fees from the speaking circuit.
Perhaps they should look into the hundreds of millions that have unacountably disappeared from the Department of Work and Pensions budget into Common Purpose in which Bliar plays such a major role.
I hope they look into Bliars expenses.
He's just bought his sixth home, this one costing £4m. There is no way he could afford all them on his parliamentary pension even with royalties from his book and fees from the speaking circuit.
Perhaps they should look into the hundreds of millions that have unacountably disappeared from the Department of Work and Pensions budget into Common Purpose in which Bliar plays such a major role.
Posted by: G, Stirling on 11:55pm Fri 16 May 08
Good - a society can't be truly democratic unless the people know what type of incumbent they are voting for/against and that includes how much they spend
Good - a society can't be truly democratic unless the people know what type of incumbent they are voting for/against and that includes how much they spend
Posted by: gordon Brown ate my hamster, Australia on 1:22am Sat 17 May 08
Private Eye is going to have a field day with this.
Private Eye is going to have a field day with this.
Posted by: Guga, Rockall on 1:25am Sat 17 May 08
Gorbals Mick and the rest of the New labour Sleaze and Corruption Party should remember that they are, in fact, our employees. We, the taxpayers pay their wages, as well as all the money they manage to con out of us for their so-called expenses.
That man using our money to try and prevent us, the employers, from finding out just how much money they are stealing from us is a total and utter disgrace.
I, for one, am sick to death of forking out a fortune to pay for things like taxi fares for their wives to go shopping; paying for their utility bills; paying for their television licences; paying for make-up; paying for them to profiteer on second house - even when in some cases, the second house they are claiming for is provided by us, the taxpayer, free gratis and for nothing; and paying for the many other irrelevancies they steal our money for.
Our MP's are liars, charlatans and thieves, and are freeloading on the public. They are already paid far too much for all the good they do, and their large and protected pension scheme is little other than a rip-off of our money.
The sooner Scotland is independent, the sooner we can stop subsidising these freeloaders in Westminster.
Gorbals Mick and the rest of the New labour Sleaze and Corruption Party should remember that they are, in fact, our employees. We, the taxpayers pay their wages, as well as all the money they manage to con out of us for their so-called expenses.
That man using our money to try and prevent us, the employers, from finding out just how much money they are stealing from us is a total and utter disgrace.
I, for one, am sick to death of forking out a fortune to pay for things like taxi fares for their wives to go shopping; paying for their utility bills; paying for their television licences; paying for make-up; paying for them to profiteer on second house - even when in some cases, the second house they are claiming for is provided by us, the taxpayer, free gratis and for nothing; and paying for the many other irrelevancies they steal our money for.
Our MP's are liars, charlatans and thieves, and are freeloading on the public. They are already paid far too much for all the good they do, and their large and protected pension scheme is little other than a rip-off of our money.
The sooner Scotland is independent, the sooner we can stop subsidising these freeloaders in Westminster.
Posted by: Archie, Argyll on 1:59am Sat 17 May 08
"The Commons challenged the Information Tribunal's "unlawfully intrusive" demand that a detailed breakdown of MPs' additional costs allowances (ACA) must be provided under the Freedom of Information Act."
And how dare the commons enact intrusive laws that enforce self employed people to do annual accounts which includes the requirement to provide receipts to prove capital and revenue expenditure as well as personal expenses, and to have the cheek to prosecute them if they fail to do so.
"The Commons challenged the Information Tribunal's "unlawfully intrusive" demand that a detailed breakdown of MPs' additional costs allowances (ACA) must be provided under the Freedom of Information Act."
And how dare the commons enact intrusive laws that enforce self employed people to do annual accounts which includes the requirement to provide receipts to prove capital and revenue expenditure as well as personal expenses, and to have the cheek to prosecute them if they fail to do so.
Posted by: Archie, Argyll on 2:02am Sat 17 May 08
And to turn a blind eye to the blatant rip-offs perpetuated by their "honourable" friends.
And to turn a blind eye to the blatant rip-offs perpetuated by their "honourable" friends.
Posted by: Rab The Ranter, Ayrshire on 7:30am Sat 17 May 08
Watch the [bold]RAT[/bold] Trap being sprung now as we see [bold]ALL[/bold] your slimey gutter crawling politicians run for cover.
Watch the
RAT Trap being sprung now as we see
ALL your slimey gutter crawling politicians run for cover.
Posted by: John Clark on 9:51am Sat 17 May 08
The expenses they are trying to hide connects to tax payers money. Why would they want to hide it? They really look like manure. The money their wives are getting for shopping trips could be going to the likes of hospices. Is it any wonder good people are sticking their fingers up at the law - the laws these cheats are making up? They look pathetic in the extreme.
The expenses they are trying to hide connects to tax payers money. Why would they want to hide it? They really look like manure. The money their wives are getting for shopping trips could be going to the likes of hospices. Is it any wonder good people are sticking their fingers up at the law - the laws these cheats are making up? They look pathetic in the extreme.
Posted by: jazzdrum, glasgow on 10:12am Sat 17 May 08
what kind of example are the public servants setting for the rest of the country, rotton to the core seems to be the apt phrase here.I know the history of politics has always been corrupt, but youd think now with all that scrutiny that mPs and Msps would think more carefully about going over board. apparetny not, seems they dont give a fig about the folk they (well most of them). claim to represent
what kind of example are the public servants setting for the rest of the country, rotton to the core seems to be the apt phrase here.I know the history of politics has always been corrupt, but youd think now with all that scrutiny that mPs and Msps would think more carefully about going over board. apparetny not, seems they dont give a fig about the folk they (well most of them). claim to represent
Posted by: Lobeydosser, Woodlands Road on 10:34am Sat 17 May 08
These guys should be hammered for this.
I remember a situation years ago when a Pay Sergeant in the Army missed the bank, took all reasonable precaution to keep the money safe and locked up in the barracks, only to be charged with theft and court marshalled; he never touched a penny.
Hence this is a severe case of double standards.
These guys should be hammered for this.
I remember a situation years ago when a Pay Sergeant in the Army missed the bank, took all reasonable precaution to keep the money safe and locked up in the barracks, only to be charged with theft and court marshalled; he never touched a penny.
Hence this is a severe case of double standards.
Posted by: Toophingers, Bellshill. on 10:55am Sat 17 May 08
[quote][bold]gordon Brown ate my hamster[/bold] wrote:
Private Eye is going to have a field day with this.[/quote] None of believe drongo 'Exiled Aussie' has ever been anywhere near Oz. Any comments?
gordon Brown ate my hamster wrote:
Private Eye is going to have a field day with this.
None of believe drongo 'Exiled Aussie' has ever been anywhere near Oz. Any comments?
Posted by: Toophingers, Bellshill. on 11:03am Sat 17 May 08
[quote][bold]ditchgazza[/bold] wrote:
I hope they look into Bliars expenses. He's just bought his sixth home, this one costing £4m. There is no way he could afford all them on his parliamentary pension even with royalties from his book and fees from the speaking circuit. Perhaps they should look into the hundreds of millions that have unacountably disappeared from the Department of Work and Pensions budget into Common Purpose in which Bliar plays such a major role. [/quote] The £100,000 plus the Bliars charged an Australian charity for children with cancer for Cherie's waffling at fund raising dinners probably went for a deposit on one pad.
ditchgazza wrote:
I hope they look into Bliars expenses. He's just bought his sixth home, this one costing £4m. There is no way he could afford all them on his parliamentary pension even with royalties from his book and fees from the speaking circuit. Perhaps they should look into the hundreds of millions that have unacountably disappeared from the Department of Work and Pensions budget into Common Purpose in which Bliar plays such a major role.
The £100,000 plus the Bliars charged an Australian charity for children with cancer for Cherie's waffling at fund raising dinners probably went for a deposit on one pad.
Posted by: Melanthios on 11:05am Sat 17 May 08
[quote]None of believe drongo 'Exiled Aussie' has ever been anywhere near Oz. Any comments?[/quote]
He saw the film and bought the Elton John record. He is obviously a world-traveller.
None of believe drongo 'Exiled Aussie' has ever been anywhere near Oz. Any comments?
He saw the film and bought the Elton John record. He is obviously a world-traveller.
Posted by: pete, Bearsden on 2:30pm Sat 17 May 08
Good news but I'm afraid it's us who are going to have to pay the costs. The so-called Standards Committee apparently have found there was nothing wrong in Gorbals Mick's wife running up the taxi bills either. hmmmm imagine that.
Good news but I'm afraid it's us who are going to have to pay the costs. The so-called Standards Committee apparently have found there was nothing wrong in Gorbals Mick's wife running up the taxi bills either. hmmmm imagine that.
Posted by: Free Thinker, North Lanarkshire on 2:54pm Sat 17 May 08
[quote][bold]pete[/bold] wrote:
Good news but I'm afraid it's us who are going to have to pay the costs. The so-called Standards Committee apparently have found there was nothing wrong in Gorbals Mick's wife running up the taxi bills either. hmmmm imagine that. [/quote]
Aye right enough... thats a fcuking revelation...
pete wrote:
Good news but I'm afraid it's us who are going to have to pay the costs. The so-called Standards Committee apparently have found there was nothing wrong in Gorbals Mick's wife running up the taxi bills either. hmmmm imagine that.
Aye right enough... thats a fcuking revelation...
Posted by: puskas, East Kilbride on 3:10pm Sat 17 May 08
[quote][bold]Exiled Aussie[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]beckypumps1[/bold] wrote: Now it is time to shame some MPS if that is possible. also I wish they would stop using the word Honourable, when I see or hear it I feel they are taking the p***.[/quote] While on the subject of honour, what about Diminutive appointing a Justice Minister (police., law and order in general etc) who was arrested in London for being "drunk an disorderly" - was it because that MSP he would be an expert on yobs ? Is that the image the[bold] TARTAN TORIES[/bold] wish to portray to Scotland - and indeed to the poor folk (inc cops) in Manchester after the behaviour of the 'gers' supporters, who, one of the Nats here wishes to welcome into their ranks cos a Labour MP suggested that the Ibrox club be banned from Europe for a year because of the hooliganism of its fans ? They're welcome to them ![/quote] The only person I can think of that is compariable to yourself is Wendy Alexander.. I'm sure you will take that as a compliment.. LOL
Westminster is heating up Wendy, regards English MPs' calling for a European ban on Rangers...
Galling isn't it ..
I would say that a very large majority of MPs' will be scuttling about trying to buy time to cover their expense sheet... Just maybe an appeal will follow to gain more time...
What are they scared of ... Certainly not the red herring of address's been highlighted. That info can be found quite easily on the internet..and a little bit of homework...
Exiled Aussie wrote:
beckypumps1 wrote: Now it is time to shame some MPS if that is possible. also I wish they would stop using the word Honourable, when I see or hear it I feel they are taking the p***.
While on the subject of honour, what about Diminutive appointing a Justice Minister (police., law and order in general etc) who was arrested in London for being "drunk an disorderly" - was it because that MSP he would be an expert on yobs ? Is that the image the TARTAN TORIES wish to portray to Scotland - and indeed to the poor folk (inc cops) in Manchester after the behaviour of the 'gers' supporters, who, one of the Nats here wishes to welcome into their ranks cos a Labour MP suggested that the Ibrox club be banned from Europe for a year because of the hooliganism of its fans ? They're welcome to them !
The only person I can think of that is compariable to yourself is Wendy Alexander.. I'm sure you will take that as a compliment.. LOL
Westminster is heating up Wendy, regards English MPs' calling for a European ban on Rangers...
Galling isn't it ..
I would say that a very large majority of MPs' will be scuttling about trying to buy time to cover their expense sheet... Just maybe an appeal will follow to gain more time...
What are they scared of ... Certainly not the red herring of address's been highlighted. That info can be found quite easily on the internet..and a little bit of homework...
Posted by: puskas, East Kilbride on 3:19pm Sat 17 May 08
[quote][bold]Guga[/bold] wrote:
Gorbals Mick and the rest of the New labour Sleaze and Corruption Party should remember that they are, in fact, our employees. We, the taxpayers pay their wages, as well as all the money they manage to con out of us for their so-called expenses. That man using our money to try and prevent us, the employers, from finding out just how much money they are stealing from us is a total and utter disgrace. I, for one, am sick to death of forking out a fortune to pay for things like taxi fares for their wives to go shopping; paying for their utility bills; paying for their television licences; paying for make-up; paying for them to profiteer on second house - even when in some cases, the second house they are claiming for is provided by us, the taxpayer, free gratis and for nothing; and paying for the many other irrelevancies they steal our money for. Our MP's are liars, charlatans and thieves, and are freeloading on the public. They are already paid far too much for all the good they do, and their large and protected pension scheme is little other than a rip-off of our money. The sooner Scotland is independent, the sooner we can stop subsidising these freeloaders in Westminster. [/quote] Yup the people of North Glasgow should have a good look at themselves .
His son is also an MSP .. Well trained in NULiebour tactics at the trough...
Doesn't say much for the intellect of their constituants..
Every now and then we have the wee sobbing Liebour numpty claiming its only because he is of a certain religous persausion and working class..
The more thoughtful of us know there is better reasons as Guga quotes above..
Guga wrote:
Gorbals Mick and the rest of the New labour Sleaze and Corruption Party should remember that they are, in fact, our employees. We, the taxpayers pay their wages, as well as all the money they manage to con out of us for their so-called expenses. That man using our money to try and prevent us, the employers, from finding out just how much money they are stealing from us is a total and utter disgrace. I, for one, am sick to death of forking out a fortune to pay for things like taxi fares for their wives to go shopping; paying for their utility bills; paying for their television licences; paying for make-up; paying for them to profiteer on second house - even when in some cases, the second house they are claiming for is provided by us, the taxpayer, free gratis and for nothing; and paying for the many other irrelevancies they steal our money for. Our MP's are liars, charlatans and thieves, and are freeloading on the public. They are already paid far too much for all the good they do, and their large and protected pension scheme is little other than a rip-off of our money. The sooner Scotland is independent, the sooner we can stop subsidising these freeloaders in Westminster.
Yup the people of North Glasgow should have a good look at themselves .
His son is also an MSP .. Well trained in NULiebour tactics at the trough...
Doesn't say much for the intellect of their constituants..
Every now and then we have the wee sobbing Liebour numpty claiming its only because he is of a certain religous persausion and working class..
The more thoughtful of us know there is better reasons as Guga quotes above..
Posted by: tris, scotland on 11:53pm Sat 17 May 08
[quote][bold]Guga[/bold] wrote:
Gorbals Mick and the rest of the New labour Sleaze and Corruption Party should remember that they are, in fact, our employees. We, the taxpayers pay their wages, as well as all the money they manage to con out of us for their so-called expenses. That man using our money to try and prevent us, the employers, from finding out just how much money they are stealing from us is a total and utter disgrace. I, for one, am sick to death of forking out a fortune to pay for things like taxi fares for their wives to go shopping; paying for their utility bills; paying for their television licences; paying for make-up; paying for them to profiteer on second house - even when in some cases, the second house they are claiming for is provided by us, the taxpayer, free gratis and for nothing; and paying for the many other irrelevancies they steal our money for. Our MP's are liars, charlatans and thieves, and are freeloading on the public. They are already paid far too much for all the good they do, and their large and protected pension scheme is little other than a rip-off of our money. The sooner Scotland is independent, the sooner we can stop subsidising these freeloaders in Westminster. [/quote]
Agreed
Guga wrote:
Gorbals Mick and the rest of the New labour Sleaze and Corruption Party should remember that they are, in fact, our employees. We, the taxpayers pay their wages, as well as all the money they manage to con out of us for their so-called expenses. That man using our money to try and prevent us, the employers, from finding out just how much money they are stealing from us is a total and utter disgrace. I, for one, am sick to death of forking out a fortune to pay for things like taxi fares for their wives to go shopping; paying for their utility bills; paying for their television licences; paying for make-up; paying for them to profiteer on second house - even when in some cases, the second house they are claiming for is provided by us, the taxpayer, free gratis and for nothing; and paying for the many other irrelevancies they steal our money for. Our MP's are liars, charlatans and thieves, and are freeloading on the public. They are already paid far too much for all the good they do, and their large and protected pension scheme is little other than a rip-off of our money. The sooner Scotland is independent, the sooner we can stop subsidising these freeloaders in Westminster.
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