Cleared for take-off… but relaunch fails to take flight
It was a Queen's speech without the Queen and, to be honest, it would have been a smidgen more exciting had Her Majesty been there. The much-vaunted draft legislative programme was meant to put Gordon Brown on the runway to a relaunch, but outside the confines of Westminster it is difficult to see how this bird could fly.
Mr Brown said he wanted to help first-time home buyers, start a savings scheme for the low-paid and give flexible working rights to parents.
All worthy aims, but there were no radical ideas in the mix and a fair number were, like Alistair Darling's last budget, lifted from opposition policy documents.
"Karaoke Conservatism" is what the Tories are calling it, accusing Mr Brown of singing from their song sheet. The Tories counted 12 ideas in 18 bills that were theirs first. The LibDems said he had "scraped the barrel", the SNP saw the cupboard was bare.
And the big ideas are not fuelled for take-off. On one key policy, £300m to help people on to the housing ladder, the Prime Minister gave the impression this was new money but in fact it comes from funds already allocated to the Department for Communities and Local Government.
This we discovered through some Scottish reverse engineering. If there were new money then some would probably come to Scotland too, a Barnett consequential, but there is not.
Similarly the Saving Gateway accounts, to encourage low earners to save, speaks
of "matched" funding from
the government which,
most assume, means equal amounts. It transpires a number of pilot schemes, adding various percentages to savers' funds, are being tested before one is chosen.
This all has shades of Mr Brown announcing a couple of thousand troops coming home from Iraq last year when they were already here, or a bit like Alistair Darling's £120 giveaway one day being soaked up by a 3% inflation level the next.
What really electrified politics yesterday, sending fear coursing along Downing Street and a shudder through the nation, was the Governor of the Bank of England's recession warnings. The Chancellor and Mr Brown are relying on the economy to come good before an election so they can claim to be safe hands during the storm.
Mr Brown insisted "there is no lack of clarity about direction" but he is likely to be pulled hither and thither by his shipmates on the way to an election, especially if Crewe and Nantwich goes Tory.
Labour MPs were a little happier with the 10p tax row defused, but drowning men will clutch at anything. Some 1.1 million of the lowest-paid workers, earning up to £13,000, will still be worse off, some of them by £230 a year.
Wiser Labour heads realise the damage inflicted on the government will not be undone in a two-day parliamentary flourish. One Labour MP in the corridor said: "When you're
in a boat that's sinking you don't just start rowing faster, first you stop to fix the hole and we've started on that work now."
Even if Labour manage to patch the hull there's a lot of choppy water between here and the electoral shore.
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Posted by: Duns Scotus, The Borders on 10:20pm Wed 14 May 08
Again, no comments on the stories that matter to Scotland.
Westminster is a rapidly-fading irrelevance.
OK Herald, if you don't want comments then I will take a week off. Hope your hit rate falls even further. When do the redundancies start among your journalists?
Again, no comments on the stories that matter to Scotland.
Westminster is a rapidly-fading irrelevance.
OK Herald, if you don't want comments then I will take a week off. Hope your hit rate falls even further. When do the redundancies start among your journalists?
Posted by: Karin, glasgae. on 10:47pm Wed 14 May 08
duns im joining you i suggest everyone esle does the same.
duns im joining you i suggest everyone esle does the same.
Posted by: Old Tam, Glasgow on 10:50pm Wed 14 May 08
I don't buy it anymore, haven't for months and now I'll take a week off reading it online.
I don't buy it anymore, haven't for months and now I'll take a week off reading it online.
Posted by: Karin, glasgae. on 10:51pm Wed 14 May 08
however before i go i would say that although
Mr Brown insisted "there is no lack of clarity about direction
what we have found in scotland is there a lack of direction about the clarity of the labour partys policy on a referendum.
(no where is this more obvious than at the glasgow herald) wendy alexanders mouthpeice) the herald have obviosuly been got at by her.
however before i go i would say that although
Mr Brown insisted "there is no lack of clarity about direction
what we have found in scotland is there a lack of direction about the clarity of the labour partys policy on a referendum.
(no where is this more obvious than at the glasgow herald) wendy alexanders mouthpeice) the herald have obviosuly been got at by her.
Posted by: Karin, glasgae. on 10:52pm Wed 14 May 08
bye folks catch you sometime next week maybe off to read the express etc.
bye folks catch you sometime next week maybe off to read the express etc.
Posted by: Andrew BOD, Aberdeen on 10:52pm Wed 14 May 08
[bold]Get Real Gordon[/bold]
You said you knew what the REAL issues were, that you were in touch with the feelings of the people, that you had made mistakes but had learned from them.
So what was all the flowery language with no substance about?
You know what the real issues are:-
- Huge increases in utility bills (making huge profits)
- Huge increases in fuel (making more huge profits and extra tax!)
- Huge increases in food prices
- High mortgage rates (with little effect from the Bank of England)
You are not even beginning to tackle these issues. You try to 'sweeten' millions of people with a miniscule tax break, financed on credit, which the people will eventually have to pay back. Your policies are ineffective and your leadership is ineffective. You and your protege are an embarrassment to Scotland.
AND THAT DOESN'T EVEN TOUCH ON THE CONTEMPT YOU'VE SHOWN THE PEOPLE OF SCOTLAND WITH YOUR VEILED THREATS AND YOUR 'BRITISHNESS' AGENDA. YOU ARE A DISGRACE.
[bold]Stand down now or call a General election.[/bold]
Get Real Gordon
You said you knew what the REAL issues were, that you were in touch with the feelings of the people, that you had made mistakes but had learned from them.
So what was all the flowery language with no substance about?
You know what the real issues are:-
- Huge increases in utility bills (making huge profits)
- Huge increases in fuel (making more huge profits and extra tax!)
- Huge increases in food prices
- High mortgage rates (with little effect from the Bank of England)
You are not even beginning to tackle these issues. You try to 'sweeten' millions of people with a miniscule tax break, financed on credit, which the people will eventually have to pay back. Your policies are ineffective and your leadership is ineffective. You and your protege are an embarrassment to Scotland.
AND THAT DOESN'T EVEN TOUCH ON THE CONTEMPT YOU'VE SHOWN THE PEOPLE OF SCOTLAND WITH YOUR VEILED THREATS AND YOUR 'BRITISHNESS' AGENDA. YOU ARE A DISGRACE.
Stand down now or call a General election. Posted by: Mrs I P Knightly, Scotland on 11:22pm Wed 14 May 08
Enjoyed Newsnicht tonight a very relaxed Mike Russell winding up the 3 opposition speakers. What a soor face Maragaret Curran is. It was quite funny to watch Mike giving asides to what she said.
Enjoyed Newsnicht tonight a very relaxed Mike Russell winding up the 3 opposition speakers. What a soor face Maragaret Curran is. It was quite funny to watch Mike giving asides to what she said.
Posted by: ditchgazza on 11:35pm Wed 14 May 08
From Dougies article that we're not allowed to comment on.
"Labour health spokeswoman Margaret Curran argued there has been "a fundamental retreat from the poverty agenda,"
That means the SNP must be winning the war against poverty much to the angst of the liebour party who deliberately kept great swathes of the populace trampled down in their belief that poverty equals votes.
I remember Helen Liddle saying at the Aberdeen south by election "People don't tend to vote for Labour if they're happy" which explains why Margaret Currant and her rag bag of anti Scottish colleagues are seething at the SNP for implementing their plans to eradicate poverty.
BTW Doug. Is part of Gogs the ditherer's plans to "do all it takes" to keep his butt on the wasteminster gravy train to censor the press as we are shamefully seeing in this once great paper.
From Dougies article that we're not allowed to comment on.
"Labour health spokeswoman Margaret Curran argued there has been "a fundamental retreat from the poverty agenda,"
That means the SNP must be winning the war against poverty much to the angst of the liebour party who deliberately kept great swathes of the populace trampled down in their belief that poverty equals votes.
I remember Helen Liddle saying at the Aberdeen south by election "People don't tend to vote for Labour if they're happy" which explains why Margaret Currant and her rag bag of anti Scottish colleagues are seething at the SNP for implementing their plans to eradicate poverty.
BTW Doug. Is part of Gogs the ditherer's plans to "do all it takes" to keep his butt on the wasteminster gravy train to censor the press as we are shamefully seeing in this once great paper.
Posted by: ditchgazza on 11:53pm Wed 14 May 08
Another thing, Doug.
I would imagine that the people who pay you for advertising browse this paper and it's comment pages.
I don't think they will be too chuffed that that circulation is plummeting and the people whom they are targeting with their ads are voting with their keyboards and deserting you.
Another thing, Doug.
I would imagine that the people who pay you for advertising browse this paper and it's comment pages.
I don't think they will be too chuffed that that circulation is plummeting and the people whom they are targeting with their ads are voting with their keyboards and deserting you.
Posted by: Kadok, West End on 11:56pm Wed 14 May 08
The Herald is a complete disgrace.
The Herald is a complete disgrace.
Posted by: nouveauxscum on 12:06am Thu 15 May 08
Bye bye Herald for a while.
Bye bye Herald for a while.
Posted by: Tired of excuses, Galashiels on 12:26am Thu 15 May 08
[quote][bold]Duns Scotus[/bold] wrote:
Again, no comments on the stories that matter to Scotland.
Westminster is a rapidly-fading irrelevance.
OK Herald, if you don't want comments then I will take a week off. Hope your hit rate falls even further. When do the redundancies start among your journalists?[/quote] Me too , if we cant comment on scottish stories in a scottish paper then you have to ask what the editors are trying to hide.
And who is asking them to hide it.
Duns Scotus wrote:
Again, no comments on the stories that matter to Scotland.
Westminster is a rapidly-fading irrelevance.
OK Herald, if you don't want comments then I will take a week off. Hope your hit rate falls even further. When do the redundancies start among your journalists?
Me too , if we cant comment on scottish stories in a scottish paper then you have to ask what the editors are trying to hide.
And who is asking them to hide it.
Posted by: Kadok, West End on 12:49am Thu 15 May 08
This is a great comment piece. Unfortunately Douglas Fraser doesn't know the difference between comment and news. Check out his 'News' story on Alex Salmond (no comment) to see how he tries to manipulate the news.
This is a great comment piece. Unfortunately Douglas Fraser doesn't know the difference between comment and news. Check out his 'News' story on Alex Salmond (no comment) to see how he tries to manipulate the news.
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 2:06am Thu 15 May 08
[bold]
LABOUR U-TURN ON FREE CARE FUNDING
[/bold]
[italic]What a disgrace![/italic]
A fortnight ago, Labour said it accepted all the recommendations in Lord Sutherland's follow-up report looking at how free personal care for the elderly was working six years after its inception. One of these recommendations was to urge Westminster to return the money, which would have covered 75% of the current annual shortfall in the system.
Labour's shadow health secretary, Margaret Curran said: "Scotland's interests are best served through constructive engagement with the Westminster government rather than narrow-minded disputes."
Oh Dear........
[bold]
NARROW UNIONISM[/bold] and party politics working to the deficit if old folk s in Scotland
So much for looking after the vulnerable .... New Labour turn their back on their own policy of [bold]FREE PERSONAL CARE,[/bold] can anyone trust these bunch of cheats?
[bold]New Labour: Scotland's Shame[/bold]
LABOUR U-TURN ON FREE CARE FUNDING
What a disgrace!
A fortnight ago, Labour said it accepted all the recommendations in Lord Sutherland's follow-up report looking at how free personal care for the elderly was working six years after its inception. One of these recommendations was to urge Westminster to return the money, which would have covered 75% of the current annual shortfall in the system.
Labour's shadow health secretary, Margaret Curran said: "Scotland's interests are best served through constructive engagement with the Westminster government rather than narrow-minded disputes."
Oh Dear........
NARROW UNIONISM and party politics working to the deficit if old folk s in Scotland
So much for looking after the vulnerable .... New Labour turn their back on their own policy of
FREE PERSONAL CARE, can anyone trust these bunch of cheats?
New Labour: Scotland's Shame Posted by: ditchgazza on 2:14am Thu 15 May 08
Yes, Wardog, it's a disgrace.
But it will be difficult to lay the blame on the Slab contigent at Holyrood for, as we've seen in the last few weeks, this crowd of useless numpties are completely controlled from London.
Muppets and puppets.
Yes, Wardog, it's a disgrace.
But it will be difficult to lay the blame on the Slab contigent at Holyrood for, as we've seen in the last few weeks, this crowd of useless numpties are completely controlled from London.
Muppets and puppets.
Posted by: Mr Angry, ayrshire on 6:12am Thu 15 May 08
I am also giving up on the Herald, it isnot worth it without having comments. I will check every week or two but will move to the Scotsman, even though it is poor it does allow comments, which are essential nowadays to get the full picture.
Very stupid editorial move by Herald and sure to lose them readers big time.
I am also giving up on the Herald, it isnot worth it without having comments. I will check every week or two but will move to the Scotsman, even though it is poor it does allow comments, which are essential nowadays to get the full picture.
Very stupid editorial move by Herald and sure to lose them readers big time.
Posted by: george alexander, north lanarkshire on 6:50am Thu 15 May 08
Douglas Fraser and Alf Young had lost all credibility prior to this comments blackout, this is simply confirmation that these two are destroying the papers credibility as well.
Frasers recent offerings have been ripped to pieces by online comments, it just doesn't stand up toscrutiny, so the scrutiny and criticism must be silenced...........d
oesn't say much for the strength of his arguments.
Oh, he even wheels out Arthur Midwinter in his Salmond piece today.
Douglas Fraser and Alf Young had lost all credibility prior to this comments blackout, this is simply confirmation that these two are destroying the papers credibility as well.
Frasers recent offerings have been ripped to pieces by online comments, it just doesn't stand up toscrutiny, so the scrutiny and criticism must be silenced...........d
oesn't say much for the strength of his arguments.
Oh, he even wheels out Arthur Midwinter in his Salmond piece today.
Posted by: McSomeone, Scotland on 6:58am Thu 15 May 08
[quote][bold]Duns Scotus[/bold] wrote:
Again, no comments on the stories that matter to Scotland. Westminster is a rapidly-fading irrelevance. OK Herald, if you don't want comments then I will take a week off. Hope your hit rate falls even further. When do the redundancies start among your journalists?[/quote] Indeed Duns Scotus that is indeed weird for a major Scottish Newspaper not to allow comments on Scottish Affairs. Stifling debate will only encourage speculation of the worse kind, that a) they have something to hide. b)have an agenda, or c) obeying instructions from outside source. Not of which will help the paper's reputation.
Duns Scotus wrote:
Again, no comments on the stories that matter to Scotland. Westminster is a rapidly-fading irrelevance. OK Herald, if you don't want comments then I will take a week off. Hope your hit rate falls even further. When do the redundancies start among your journalists?
Indeed Duns Scotus that is indeed weird for a major Scottish Newspaper not to allow comments on Scottish Affairs. Stifling debate will only encourage speculation of the worse kind, that a) they have something to hide. b)have an agenda, or c) obeying instructions from outside source. Not of which will help the paper's reputation.
Posted by: Free Thinker, North Lanarkshire on 7:00am Thu 15 May 08
[bold]NO COMMENT[/bold]
[bold]NO COMMENT[/bold]
Posted by: Dave, Livi Village on 7:29am Thu 15 May 08
[quote]Wiser Labour heads realise the damage inflicted [bold]on the government[/bold] will not be undone in a two-day parliamentary flourish[/quote]
What about the damage being done to the people? All the squirming and jiggerypokery by the "government" is aimed at saving their own worthless necks. They don't even realise what harm they do.
Cameron will be just as bad. Time was I could have said he would be even worse, but I no longer think that is possible. And that other chap is just a chancer.
Don't forget Trident, Iraq, Afghanistan, ID cards, end of habeus corpus and all their other crimes against humanity when cataloguing their current crimes.
Set my people free.
Now!
Wiser Labour heads realise the damage inflicted on the government will not be undone in a two-day parliamentary flourish
What about the damage being done to the people? All the squirming and jiggerypokery by the "government" is aimed at saving their own worthless necks. They don't even realise what harm they do.
Cameron will be just as bad. Time was I could have said he would be even worse, but I no longer think that is possible. And that other chap is just a chancer.
Don't forget Trident, Iraq, Afghanistan, ID cards, end of habeus corpus and all their other crimes against humanity when cataloguing their current crimes.
Set my people free.
Now!
Posted by: puskas, East Kilbride on 7:50am Thu 15 May 08
Scotlands other shame...
Posted by: Im no really here, but over there on 8:03am Thu 15 May 08
[quote][bold]Free Thinker[/bold] wrote:
[bold]NO COMMENT[/bold] [bold]NO COMMENT[/bold] [/quote] I totally agree with the both points that you raised.
[bold]NO COMMENT[/bold]
[bold]NO COMMENT[/bold]
Free Thinker wrote:
NO COMMENT NO COMMENT
I totally agree with the both points that you raised.
NO COMMENT
NO COMMENT Posted by: dws on 8:09am Thu 15 May 08
[quote][bold]Duns Scotus[/bold] wrote:
Again, no comments on the stories that matter to Scotland. Westminster is a rapidly-fading irrelevance. OK Herald, if you don't want comments then I will take a week off. Hope your hit rate falls even further. When do the redundancies start among your journalists?[/quote] Aye, I think I'll join ye. If all the Herald wants is tumbleweeds blowing around their online edition, they're going the right way about it.
Duns Scotus wrote:
Again, no comments on the stories that matter to Scotland. Westminster is a rapidly-fading irrelevance. OK Herald, if you don't want comments then I will take a week off. Hope your hit rate falls even further. When do the redundancies start among your journalists?
Aye, I think I'll join ye. If all the Herald wants is tumbleweeds blowing around their online edition, they're going the right way about it.
Posted by: les vegas, glasgow on 8:32am Thu 15 May 08
Why try and encourage low earners to save??? They need every penny they can get their hands on for Chrissst sakes!!! Obviously whoever thought that one up has never been skint! Unbelievable - you couldn't make this up...
Why try and encourage low earners to save??? They need every penny they can get their hands on for Chrissst sakes!!! Obviously whoever thought that one up has never been skint! Unbelievable - you couldn't make this up...
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 8:41am Thu 15 May 08
Deja Vu?
[quote]Fareweel to a' our Scottish fame,
Fareweel our ancient glory!
Fareweel ev'n to the Scottish name.
Sae famed in martial story!
Now Sark rins over Salway sands,
An' Tweed rins to the ocean,
To mark where England's province stands --
Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!
What force or guile could not subdue
Thro' many warlike ages
Is wrought now by a coward few
For hireling traitor's wages.
The English steel we could disdain,
Secure in valour's station;
But English gold has been our bane --
Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!
O, would, or I had seen the day
That Treason thus could sell us,
My auld grey head had lien in clay
Wi' Bruce and loyal Wallace!
But pith and power, till my last hour
I'll mak this declaration :-
'We're bought and sold for English gold'--
Such a parcel of rogues in a nation![/quote]
Only this time not!!!
Deja Vu?
Fareweel to a' our Scottish fame,
Fareweel our ancient glory!
Fareweel ev'n to the Scottish name.
Sae famed in martial story!
Now Sark rins over Salway sands,
An' Tweed rins to the ocean,
To mark where England's province stands --
Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!
What force or guile could not subdue
Thro' many warlike ages
Is wrought now by a coward few
For hireling traitor's wages.
The English steel we could disdain,
Secure in valour's station;
But English gold has been our bane --
Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!
O, would, or I had seen the day
That Treason thus could sell us,
My auld grey head had lien in clay
Wi' Bruce and loyal Wallace!
But pith and power, till my last hour
I'll mak this declaration :-
'We're bought and sold for English gold'--
Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!
Only this time not!!!
Posted by: robmcdonald, East Kilbride on 8:43am Thu 15 May 08
[bold]No Comment? I'm going to the Times[/bold] - Please note what's happening here editors and advertising execs!
See you in a week people, and even then I'll only be dropping by to see if comments on the things that matter to Scotland have been restored.
[bold]Another reader lost from the circulation figures.[/bold]
No Comment? I'm going to the Times - Please note what's happening here editors and advertising execs!
See you in a week people, and even then I'll only be dropping by to see if comments on the things that matter to Scotland have been restored.
Another reader lost from the circulation figures.
Posted by: ditchgazza on 8:56am Thu 15 May 08
Perhaps it's better to keep posting and expose this and other papers flawed agenda.
I would imagine that liebour would be more than happy to see posts on here drying up.
Perhaps it's better to keep posting and expose this and other papers flawed agenda.
I would imagine that liebour would be more than happy to see posts on here drying up.
Posted by: Celtic Lion, Roar on 9:09am Thu 15 May 08
The twenty-one bunnies I sacrificed to the Great God Behbehsee did not die in vain. Last Sunday's [italic]Politics Show Scotland[/italic] is finally available on iPlayer.
The twenty-one bunnies I sacrificed to the Great God Behbehsee did not die in vain. Last Sunday's
Politics Show Scotland is finally available on iPlayer.
Posted by: megz, glasgow on 9:25am Thu 15 May 08
Oh well no point me staying here and talking to myself :(
I will say that slab are a disgrace before i got though, hope they don't start going on about vulnerable people when they will not stand up for our most vulnerable OAPs. Its not surprising though as they cannot stand up for scotland if they cannot stand up for themselves!
Oh well no point me staying here and talking to myself :(
I will say that slab are a disgrace before i got though, hope they don't start going on about vulnerable people when they will not stand up for our most vulnerable OAPs. Its not surprising though as they cannot stand up for scotland if they cannot stand up for themselves!
Posted by: Jock in the Box, edinburgh on 9:29am Thu 15 May 08
As many have indicated above,any claim by the "Weegie" to be Scotland's Quality Newspaper will have to be matched by raising your journalistic standards to above that of One party State Strathclyde's politicians.
U bendy(aka puddles) is a laughing stock and this "papers" defence of her drags this publication into the same gutter.
You cannot defend the indefensible,(as Malcolm Chisholm has recently found out).This publication is no different.
Print news and report facts and you will be classified as a newspaper.
Print the same guff as the Hootsmon and the Daily Retard and you will be classified as a bog roll,(with the sh you know what already deposited).
You ain't much of a journalist if you have to lie to earn a crust of bread!
As many have indicated above,any claim by the "Weegie" to be Scotland's Quality Newspaper will have to be matched by raising your journalistic standards to above that of One party State Strathclyde's politicians.
U bendy(aka puddles) is a laughing stock and this "papers" defence of her drags this publication into the same gutter.
You cannot defend the indefensible,(as Malcolm Chisholm has recently found out).This publication is no different.
Print news and report facts and you will be classified as a newspaper.
Print the same guff as the Hootsmon and the Daily Retard and you will be classified as a bog roll,(with the sh you know what already deposited).
You ain't much of a journalist if you have to lie to earn a crust of bread!
Posted by: Politically-incorrec
t Man, Glasgow on 9:36am Thu 15 May 08
Both the Herald and the Westminster Parliament seem to have the same affliction; rather than there being a “strong hand on the tiller” the boat seems to be going round and round in ever-decreasing circles faster and faster and faster……..
Both the Herald and the Westminster Parliament seem to have the same affliction; rather than there being a “strong hand on the tiller” the boat seems to be going round and round in ever-decreasing circles faster and faster and faster……..
Posted by: Archie, Argyll on 9:38am Thu 15 May 08
I watched FMQs on BBCs' iplayer.
Before FMQs start, they get in a wee dig at the SNP.
Then ye get FMQs where Alex Salmond wipes the floor with the pretenders and charlatans.
Then ye get sycophantic ranter and "political analyst" Douglas Fraser's slant on it.
He says there is no substance to the SNPs policies.
WHO THE F IS DOUGLAS FRASER???
THIS GUY FRASER TURNS A BLIND EYE TO LABOUR CORRUPTION AND GROSS IMBECILITY & APPEARS TO WANT A RETURN TO THE HORRIBLE MOB IN POWER.
WHY, WHY WHY DOUGLAS???
THEY ARE ELITIST DIDDIES FOR SURE.
THEY DESTROYED MY AND COUNTLESS OTHERS' LIVELIHOODS.
THEY PROMOTE THEMSELVES AND THEIR COHORTS AT THE EXPENSE OF MANY OTHERS.
BUT DOUGLAS THE RANTING SYCOPHANTIC BUFFOON THINKS, OR THE BBC DO, THAT WE CANNOT WORK OUT WHAT'S GOING ON FOR OURSELVES AND THAT WE NEED IT ALL EXPLAINED BY A RANTING SYCOPHANT AND BUFFOON LIKE INTELLECTUALLY CHALLENGED AND BLINKERED WANNA BE IDIOT MR FRASER.
THE SAME GUY PRINTS TOSH IN AN ONLINE NEWSPAPER AND COMMENTS ARE NOT ALLOWED.
HOW PREDICTABLE IS THAT???
HOW DEMOCRATIC IS THAT???
i, FOR ONE, AM FED UP WITH THE LIKES OF DOUGLAS FRASER AND HIS MINIONS GORDON BROON AND WENDY ALEXANDER.
I THINK HE SHOULD LEARN A TRADE OR SOMETHING BECAUSE HE DOESN'T REALLY CUT IT AS A COMEDIAN.
I watched FMQs on BBCs' iplayer.
Before FMQs start, they get in a wee dig at the SNP.
Then ye get FMQs where Alex Salmond wipes the floor with the pretenders and charlatans.
Then ye get sycophantic ranter and "political analyst" Douglas Fraser's slant on it.
He says there is no substance to the SNPs policies.
WHO THE F IS DOUGLAS FRASER???
THIS GUY FRASER TURNS A BLIND EYE TO LABOUR CORRUPTION AND GROSS IMBECILITY & APPEARS TO WANT A RETURN TO THE HORRIBLE MOB IN POWER.
WHY, WHY WHY DOUGLAS???
THEY ARE ELITIST DIDDIES FOR SURE.
THEY DESTROYED MY AND COUNTLESS OTHERS' LIVELIHOODS.
THEY PROMOTE THEMSELVES AND THEIR COHORTS AT THE EXPENSE OF MANY OTHERS.
BUT DOUGLAS THE RANTING SYCOPHANTIC BUFFOON THINKS, OR THE BBC DO, THAT WE CANNOT WORK OUT WHAT'S GOING ON FOR OURSELVES AND THAT WE NEED IT ALL EXPLAINED BY A RANTING SYCOPHANT AND BUFFOON LIKE INTELLECTUALLY CHALLENGED AND BLINKERED WANNA BE IDIOT MR FRASER.
THE SAME GUY PRINTS TOSH IN AN ONLINE NEWSPAPER AND COMMENTS ARE NOT ALLOWED.
HOW PREDICTABLE IS THAT???
HOW DEMOCRATIC IS THAT???
i, FOR ONE, AM FED UP WITH THE LIKES OF DOUGLAS FRASER AND HIS MINIONS GORDON BROON AND WENDY ALEXANDER.
I THINK HE SHOULD LEARN A TRADE OR SOMETHING BECAUSE HE DOESN'T REALLY CUT IT AS A COMEDIAN.
Posted by: Mac, Dundee on 9:41am Thu 15 May 08
Everyone in the Labour party knows that if Labour loses Crewe & Nantwich Gordon Brown will be dumped. Since this is what the most Labour voters now want they may decide to stay at home in this by-election to force Labour MPs into decisive action.
Everyone in the Labour party knows that if Labour loses Crewe & Nantwich Gordon Brown will be dumped. Since this is what the most Labour voters now want they may decide to stay at home in this by-election to force Labour MPs into decisive action.
Posted by: nurse bill, dumfries on 9:43am Thu 15 May 08
I noted the comment by John Curtice on radio last night about Gordon Brown presenting his 18 bills and lots of initiatives to Parliament yesterday and coming over really badly, whilst Alex Salmond presented hardly any bills and precious few initiatives but came over quite well.One feverish,sweaty and eager to please and the other calm,organised and sensible.Amazing what a little ambience can do!
You could say that Mr Salmond's style was quite presidential,but I'm not too sure that is the word that should be used,or was intended.
I noted the comment by John Curtice on radio last night about Gordon Brown presenting his 18 bills and lots of initiatives to Parliament yesterday and coming over really badly, whilst Alex Salmond presented hardly any bills and precious few initiatives but came over quite well.One feverish,sweaty and eager to please and the other calm,organised and sensible.Amazing what a little ambience can do!
You could say that Mr Salmond's style was quite presidential,but I'm not too sure that is the word that should be used,or was intended.
Posted by: Bill, Blantyre on 9:46am Thu 15 May 08
I am pleased that this newspaper attempts to control the excesses that the SNP bloggerers constantly indulge in. My dearest wish is that the above bloggerers who clench their little fists and threaten to stop reading the Herald do so. Maybe we will again be able to enjoy mature comments on articles instead of the bile constantly uttered by the SNP bloggerers. [bold]bold[/bold] Well done The Herald.
I am pleased that this newspaper attempts to control the excesses that the SNP bloggerers constantly indulge in. My dearest wish is that the above bloggerers who clench their little fists and threaten to stop reading the Herald do so. Maybe we will again be able to enjoy mature comments on articles instead of the bile constantly uttered by the SNP bloggerers. Well done The Herald.
Posted by: Free Thinker, North Lanarkshire on 9:57am Thu 15 May 08
[quote][bold]Archie[/bold] wrote:
I watched FMQs on BBCs' iplayer. Before FMQs start, they get in a wee dig at the SNP. Then ye get FMQs where Alex Salmond wipes the floor with the pretenders and charlatans. Then ye get sycophantic ranter and "political analyst" Douglas Fraser's slant on it. He says there is no substance to the SNPs policies. WHO THE F IS DOUGLAS FRASER??? THIS GUY FRASER TURNS A BLIND EYE TO LABOUR CORRUPTION AND GROSS IMBECILITY & APPEARS TO WANT A RETURN TO THE HORRIBLE MOB IN POWER. WHY, WHY WHY DOUGLAS??? THEY ARE ELITIST DIDDIES FOR SURE. THEY DESTROYED MY AND COUNTLESS OTHERS' LIVELIHOODS. THEY PROMOTE THEMSELVES AND THEIR COHORTS AT THE EXPENSE OF MANY OTHERS. BUT DOUGLAS THE RANTING SYCOPHANTIC BUFFOON THINKS, OR THE BBC DO, THAT WE CANNOT WORK OUT WHAT'S GOING ON FOR OURSELVES AND THAT WE NEED IT ALL EXPLAINED BY A RANTING SYCOPHANT AND BUFFOON LIKE INTELLECTUALLY CHALLENGED AND BLINKERED WANNA BE IDIOT MR FRASER. THE SAME GUY PRINTS TOSH IN AN ONLINE NEWSPAPER AND COMMENTS ARE NOT ALLOWED. HOW PREDICTABLE IS THAT??? HOW DEMOCRATIC IS THAT??? i, FOR ONE, AM FED UP WITH THE LIKES OF DOUGLAS FRASER AND HIS MINIONS GORDON BROON AND WENDY ALEXANDER. I THINK HE SHOULD LEARN A TRADE OR SOMETHING BECAUSE HE DOESN'T REALLY CUT IT AS A COMEDIAN. [/quote] Brilliant post! Well said!
Archie wrote:
I watched FMQs on BBCs' iplayer. Before FMQs start, they get in a wee dig at the SNP. Then ye get FMQs where Alex Salmond wipes the floor with the pretenders and charlatans. Then ye get sycophantic ranter and "political analyst" Douglas Fraser's slant on it. He says there is no substance to the SNPs policies. WHO THE F IS DOUGLAS FRASER??? THIS GUY FRASER TURNS A BLIND EYE TO LABOUR CORRUPTION AND GROSS IMBECILITY & APPEARS TO WANT A RETURN TO THE HORRIBLE MOB IN POWER. WHY, WHY WHY DOUGLAS??? THEY ARE ELITIST DIDDIES FOR SURE. THEY DESTROYED MY AND COUNTLESS OTHERS' LIVELIHOODS. THEY PROMOTE THEMSELVES AND THEIR COHORTS AT THE EXPENSE OF MANY OTHERS. BUT DOUGLAS THE RANTING SYCOPHANTIC BUFFOON THINKS, OR THE BBC DO, THAT WE CANNOT WORK OUT WHAT'S GOING ON FOR OURSELVES AND THAT WE NEED IT ALL EXPLAINED BY A RANTING SYCOPHANT AND BUFFOON LIKE INTELLECTUALLY CHALLENGED AND BLINKERED WANNA BE IDIOT MR FRASER. THE SAME GUY PRINTS TOSH IN AN ONLINE NEWSPAPER AND COMMENTS ARE NOT ALLOWED. HOW PREDICTABLE IS THAT??? HOW DEMOCRATIC IS THAT??? i, FOR ONE, AM FED UP WITH THE LIKES OF DOUGLAS FRASER AND HIS MINIONS GORDON BROON AND WENDY ALEXANDER. I THINK HE SHOULD LEARN A TRADE OR SOMETHING BECAUSE HE DOESN'T REALLY CUT IT AS A COMEDIAN.
Brilliant post! Well said!
Posted by: pony, vancouver island canada on 10:20am Thu 15 May 08
NO COMMENT
Posted by: Peter Thomson, Labpoor -in all respects on 11:10am Thu 15 May 08
Bill, Bill, some of us regular pro independence bloggers get that Unionists like you have little if any positive arguments for the Union apart from its done us for 300 years.
The evidence of the lies that Westminster have spun for all this period are coming to light and the whole Unionist pack of cards is falling with every disclosure.
GERS says tax income from oil and gas from Scottish sector = £11 billion; Oil Industry spokesman says 2008-9 tax income will be in excess of £23 billion.
Independent review of Unionist policy on attendance allowance as part of the Scottish Block Grant says Gordon was wrong to remove it.
Unionists say an SNP Government in Scotland would mean a £5,000 increase in tax bill for all Scots - reality of LIT is the majority of Scots will be better off.
Unionists say 'bring it on' then scuttle back under their stones when it is clear the tactic is an own goal.
Unionists say the SNP will cause multinationals to leave Scotland, reality: Barclays have moved into Glasgow big style and the Scottish economy is out performing the rest of the UK for the first time in 300 years.
Unionist Government makes the poorest in Scotland poorer, has a fuel tax regime that penalises remote and rural communities, a car tax regime that penalises poorest families or those who actually need 4x4's for daily life in remote and rural areas.
A unionist government and parliament that is out of touch with 33% of its land mass and the people's needs, so much so that one of its representatives said, "They do not give a F*** about Scotland unless they are at risk of loosing a general election."
So what does this quality national daily do? It fills up its web site with pap about unlucky Rangers - they were stuffed - and other pap fluffy kitten stuff rather than deal with what is actually happening in Scotland .
Labpoor have lost the plot, falling to bits, borrowing money to try and cover their butts(which we, the tax payers, will pay for), leaders in both parliaments are now a sad joke and clinging on to power by default.
So covering all this up, Bill, and preventing comment on the more asinine 'there is nothing really wrong with Labpoor and the Union' puff is good journalism, quality reporting and a service to democracy?
Now revisit your comment and justify it Bill, with reasons in writing why the Union is worth the price Scotland pays for it - sentiment will not wash.
Bill, Bill, some of us regular pro independence bloggers get that Unionists like you have little if any positive arguments for the Union apart from its done us for 300 years.
The evidence of the lies that Westminster have spun for all this period are coming to light and the whole Unionist pack of cards is falling with every disclosure.
GERS says tax income from oil and gas from Scottish sector = £11 billion; Oil Industry spokesman says 2008-9 tax income will be in excess of £23 billion.
Independent review of Unionist policy on attendance allowance as part of the Scottish Block Grant says Gordon was wrong to remove it.
Unionists say an SNP Government in Scotland would mean a £5,000 increase in tax bill for all Scots - reality of LIT is the majority of Scots will be better off.
Unionists say 'bring it on' then scuttle back under their stones when it is clear the tactic is an own goal.
Unionists say the SNP will cause multinationals to leave Scotland, reality: Barclays have moved into Glasgow big style and the Scottish economy is out performing the rest of the UK for the first time in 300 years.
Unionist Government makes the poorest in Scotland poorer, has a fuel tax regime that penalises remote and rural communities, a car tax regime that penalises poorest families or those who actually need 4x4's for daily life in remote and rural areas.
A unionist government and parliament that is out of touch with 33% of its land mass and the people's needs, so much so that one of its representatives said, "They do not give a F*** about Scotland unless they are at risk of loosing a general election."
So what does this quality national daily do? It fills up its web site with pap about unlucky Rangers - they were stuffed - and other pap fluffy kitten stuff rather than deal with what is actually happening in Scotland .
Labpoor have lost the plot, falling to bits, borrowing money to try and cover their butts(which we, the tax payers, will pay for), leaders in both parliaments are now a sad joke and clinging on to power by default.
So covering all this up, Bill, and preventing comment on the more asinine 'there is nothing really wrong with Labpoor and the Union' puff is good journalism, quality reporting and a service to democracy?
Now revisit your comment and justify it Bill, with reasons in writing why the Union is worth the price Scotland pays for it - sentiment will not wash.
Posted by: RussianExpat, Moscow on 11:14am Thu 15 May 08
Me too..i'm cancelling and off to the Scotsman. Herald just a disgrace now. Used to be a half decent paper and at one time i thought it might be becomming a truly independent paper but obviously not.
Looking at the circulation figures you are going down the pan anyway, that's what happens when you are not producing a paper for a readership! It leaves, hope the abour party rallies round you cause now though..as if!
Me too..i'm cancelling and off to the Scotsman. Herald just a disgrace now. Used to be a half decent paper and at one time i thought it might be becomming a truly independent paper but obviously not.
Looking at the circulation figures you are going down the pan anyway, that's what happens when you are not producing a paper for a readership! It leaves, hope the abour party rallies round you cause now though..as if!
Posted by: RussianExpat, Moscow on 11:15am Thu 15 May 08
Me too..i'm cancelling and off to the Scotsman. Herald just a disgrace now. Used to be a half decent paper and at one time i thought it might be becomming a truly independent paper but obviously not.
Looking at the circulation figures you are going down the pan anyway, that's what happens when you are not producing a paper for a readership! It leaves, hope the abour party rallies round you cause now though..as if!
Me too..i'm cancelling and off to the Scotsman. Herald just a disgrace now. Used to be a half decent paper and at one time i thought it might be becomming a truly independent paper but obviously not.
Looking at the circulation figures you are going down the pan anyway, that's what happens when you are not producing a paper for a readership! It leaves, hope the abour party rallies round you cause now though..as if!
Posted by: Carnwarth on 11:21am Thu 15 May 08
This from BBC website – rather different to the pro-Rangers guff on The Herald site.
Uefa violence 'stretches' police
Police in Manchester who came under violent attack from Rangers fans in the city for the Uefa Cup final admitted they were "stretched" by events.
Assistant Chief Constable Justine Curran said the influx of 150,000 Scottish fans was "unprecendented".
She said officers came under attack and riot police were deployed after a city centre big screen failed, adding: "I had 15 officers injured last night."
This from BBC website – rather different to the pro-Rangers guff on The Herald site.
Uefa violence 'stretches' police
Police in Manchester who came under violent attack from Rangers fans in the city for the Uefa Cup final admitted they were "stretched" by events.
Assistant Chief Constable Justine Curran said the influx of 150,000 Scottish fans was "unprecendented".
She said officers came under attack and riot police were deployed after a city centre big screen failed, adding: "I had 15 officers injured last night."
Posted by: Disgusted Dorothy, Glasgow on 11:33am Thu 15 May 08
Russian ex pat, NOT THE Scotsman?!!!!!
See what you have done Herald ?
Someone is off to the diabolical Scotsman!
Serves you right!
Over and out!
Russian ex pat, NOT THE Scotsman?!!!!!
See what you have done Herald ?
Someone is off to the diabolical Scotsman!
Serves you right!
Over and out!
Posted by: Buckpool Loon, Cheshire on 12:44pm Thu 15 May 08
I too felt a pang of disappointment at the lack of substance in Alex Salmond's speech.
Hopefully he was keeping his plans close to his chest and his powder dry because with Westminster in melt down he's unlikely to have the same oppurtunity as the next two years will bring.
One frightening thing the debacle's of the last few months have exposed. Is the utter incompetence of the Labour MSP's.
It may go down in history as the rout of the imbecile's.
I too felt a pang of disappointment at the lack of substance in Alex Salmond's speech.
Hopefully he was keeping his plans close to his chest and his powder dry because with Westminster in melt down he's unlikely to have the same oppurtunity as the next two years will bring.
One frightening thing the debacle's of the last few months have exposed. Is the utter incompetence of the Labour MSP's.
It may go down in history as the rout of the imbecile's.
Posted by: Buckpool Loon, Cheshire on 12:45pm Thu 15 May 08
I too felt a pang of disappointment at the lack of substance in Alex Salmond's speech.
Hopefully he was keeping his plans close to his chest and his powder dry because with Westminster in melt down he's unlikely to have the same oppurtunity as the next two years will bring.
One frightening thing the debacle's of the last few months have exposed. Is the utter incompetence of the Labour MSP's.
It may go down in history as the rout of the imbecile's.
I too felt a pang of disappointment at the lack of substance in Alex Salmond's speech.
Hopefully he was keeping his plans close to his chest and his powder dry because with Westminster in melt down he's unlikely to have the same oppurtunity as the next two years will bring.
One frightening thing the debacle's of the last few months have exposed. Is the utter incompetence of the Labour MSP's.
It may go down in history as the rout of the imbecile's.
Posted by: Kinghob, Scotland on 1:25pm Thu 15 May 08
Alex Salmond doesn't need to make the announcements the beleagured labour leader brown, or his sheep-like westminster cohorts and their baaaaa-ing minion counterparts in Holyrood are heavily dependent upon.
The success of the Scottish Government is obvious, the shambles of the westminster Government and Labour as a whole are equally obvious, and Douglas fraser can make up what he likes, nobody is convinced, even the dwindling Labour supporters are bewildered at the Labour party in meltdown, and to barely comment on it is laughable.
Not only does the head in the sand attitude make me laugh but also more determined to campaign for the SNP and Independence as the next few years go by.
I don't want amateur journalists or amateur politicians having any kind of free reign, and will buy the herald for now and continue to comment on the herald forum and the articles, regardless of whether they are reflective of what is actually happening in Scotland.
Alex Salmond doesn't need to make the announcements the beleagured labour leader brown, or his sheep-like westminster cohorts and their baaaaa-ing minion counterparts in Holyrood are heavily dependent upon.
The success of the Scottish Government is obvious, the shambles of the westminster Government and Labour as a whole are equally obvious, and Douglas fraser can make up what he likes, nobody is convinced, even the dwindling Labour supporters are bewildered at the Labour party in meltdown, and to barely comment on it is laughable.
Not only does the head in the sand attitude make me laugh but also more determined to campaign for the SNP and Independence as the next few years go by.
I don't want amateur journalists or amateur politicians having any kind of free reign, and will buy the herald for now and continue to comment on the herald forum and the articles, regardless of whether they are reflective of what is actually happening in Scotland.
Posted by: Peter Thomson, Labpoor - bad for Scotland on 2:22pm Thu 15 May 08
The interesting things about the censored articles is they all have an anti Wee Eck slant. Take the 'no substance' speech line - why should Wee Eck re-iterate what is laid out in the SNP manifesto when we can read it if we want to.
What did Gordonovitch's new five year plan speech actually say apart from we are borrowing money (at the tax payers expense) to cover up our big mistake over the 10% tax band removal.
I suppose Nicol Stevens is an expert on broken promises given his time in coalition with Labour at Holyrood but the real result is the failure of the Unionist cabal to break more of Wee Eck's promises like the ' We will never allow the SNP budget through' for starters or how about 'LIT will never get off the ground' or 'The SNP will never hold their referendum.' Then there is today's embarrassment for Labour in Holyrood over the apparently incorrect decision of Gordonovitch's to take Attendance Allowance out of the Scottish Block Grant .
Nope, the Herald leads with rioting West End neds demonstrating how Scotland would fall to bits without the Union, forgetting that Rangers are a Unionist supporting club from their Chairman down.
Message to the Herald Editorial team;
[bold]HOW STUPID DO YOU THINK YOUR READERS ARE?[/bold]
The interesting things about the censored articles is they all have an anti Wee Eck slant. Take the 'no substance' speech line - why should Wee Eck re-iterate what is laid out in the SNP manifesto when we can read it if we want to.
What did Gordonovitch's new five year plan speech actually say apart from we are borrowing money (at the tax payers expense) to cover up our big mistake over the 10% tax band removal.
I suppose Nicol Stevens is an expert on broken promises given his time in coalition with Labour at Holyrood but the real result is the failure of the Unionist cabal to break more of Wee Eck's promises like the ' We will never allow the SNP budget through' for starters or how about 'LIT will never get off the ground' or 'The SNP will never hold their referendum.' Then there is today's embarrassment for Labour in Holyrood over the apparently incorrect decision of Gordonovitch's to take Attendance Allowance out of the Scottish Block Grant .
Nope, the Herald leads with rioting West End neds demonstrating how Scotland would fall to bits without the Union, forgetting that Rangers are a Unionist supporting club from their Chairman down.
Message to the Herald Editorial team;
HOW STUPID DO YOU THINK YOUR READERS ARE? Posted by: boab, Ayrshire on 2:26pm Thu 15 May 08
On the help for first-time buyers issue I would say he is doing absolutely nothing to help them. If he wants to really help them he'll stop taking measures to try and sustain house prices at their current level and will let the market correct itself. If I was buying I'd much rather house prices dropped by 10-20% (thus costing me at least £10k less to buy) than have shared equity schemes which do nothing to make the overall property more affordable.
On the real topic of the day, and the preceding few days, I'm considering not bothering coming back to this site too. The Scottish political scene is what I'm interested in. Aside from all the pathetic bickering and name-calling from both sides, I find some of the posts quite informative and putting a different slant on things. If that isn't going to be available then I don't think it's worht visiting the site.
To suspend comments with no reason given smacks of big brother. I'm not one for conspiracy theories but you've got to wonder when the only subject barred from comment is Scottish politics.
On the help for first-time buyers issue I would say he is doing absolutely nothing to help them. If he wants to really help them he'll stop taking measures to try and sustain house prices at their current level and will let the market correct itself. If I was buying I'd much rather house prices dropped by 10-20% (thus costing me at least £10k less to buy) than have shared equity schemes which do nothing to make the overall property more affordable.
On the real topic of the day, and the preceding few days, I'm considering not bothering coming back to this site too. The Scottish political scene is what I'm interested in. Aside from all the pathetic bickering and name-calling from both sides, I find some of the posts quite informative and putting a different slant on things. If that isn't going to be available then I don't think it's worht visiting the site.
To suspend comments with no reason given smacks of big brother. I'm not one for conspiracy theories but you've got to wonder when the only subject barred from comment is Scottish politics.
Posted by: Exiled Aussie, Banff on 2:57pm Thu 15 May 08
[quote][bold]Buckpool Loon[/bold] wrote:
I too felt a pang of disappointment at the lack of substance in Alex Salmond's speech. Hopefully he was keeping his plans close to his chest and his powder dry because with Westminster in melt down he's unlikely to have the same oppurtunity as the next two years will bring. One frightening thing the debacle's of the last few months have exposed. Is the utter incompetence of the Labour MSP's. It may go down in history as the rout of the imbecile's.[/quote] Opening comments bril - last two paras tosh !
Labour MSPs had a field day with Diminutive's empty speech but to be fair to the man, what could he offe ?. He has only managed to win one policy vote in chamber and that with the help of his "blue" friends so that from then on the Nats have been dubbed by all as [bold]TARTAN TORIES[/bold], so how could the man who joined the M/c throng promise anything of substance ?
On latter occasion, wonder what he and all the other [bold]TARTAN TORIES[/bold] thought of the massive display of Union Jacks, St G and Ulster flags ?
One of D's supporters was on this site yesterday wishing ''gers well. Hope he/she also enjoyed the flag-waving Unionists !
Buckpool Loon wrote:
I too felt a pang of disappointment at the lack of substance in Alex Salmond's speech. Hopefully he was keeping his plans close to his chest and his powder dry because with Westminster in melt down he's unlikely to have the same oppurtunity as the next two years will bring. One frightening thing the debacle's of the last few months have exposed. Is the utter incompetence of the Labour MSP's. It may go down in history as the rout of the imbecile's.
Opening comments bril - last two paras tosh !
Labour MSPs had a field day with Diminutive's empty speech but to be fair to the man, what could he offe ?. He has only managed to win one policy vote in chamber and that with the help of his "blue" friends so that from then on the Nats have been dubbed by all as
TARTAN TORIES, so how could the man who joined the M/c throng promise anything of substance ?
On latter occasion, wonder what he and all the other
TARTAN TORIES thought of the massive display of Union Jacks, St G and Ulster flags ?
One of D's supporters was on this site yesterday wishing ''gers well. Hope he/she also enjoyed the flag-waving Unionists !
Posted by: masondx, glasgow on 3:03pm Thu 15 May 08
I dont post very often on here but I read a lot, probably every day.
I find the comments section often as informative if not more so than the articles themselves.
Not really in to a lot of the name calling but you expect that on a forum anyway.
Getting pretty tired of the blatant censorship on here though, I too think I'm going to give up. Hope your activity stats start plummeting.
I dont post very often on here but I read a lot, probably every day.
I find the comments section often as informative if not more so than the articles themselves.
Not really in to a lot of the name calling but you expect that on a forum anyway.
Getting pretty tired of the blatant censorship on here though, I too think I'm going to give up. Hope your activity stats start plummeting.
Posted by: ditchgazza on 3:14pm Thu 15 May 08
People from this country used [bold]to[/bold] get exiled to Aussie for criminal offences.
To get exiled [bold]from[/bold] Aussie must take some some doing, Eh.
What was your crime. Stupidity, ignorance, boring people to death, spamming, or just being a butthole.
People from this country used
to get exiled to Aussie for criminal offences.
To get exiled
from Aussie must take some some doing, Eh.
What was your crime. Stupidity, ignorance, boring people to death, spamming, or just being a butthole.
Posted by: Exiled Aussie, Banff on 3:36pm Thu 15 May 08
[quote][bold]ditchgazza[/bold] wrote:
People from this country used [bold]to[/bold] get exiled to Aussie for criminal offences. To get exiled [bold]from[/bold] Aussie must take some some doing, Eh. What was your crime. Stupidity, ignorance, boring people to death, spamming, or just being a butthole.[/quote] Why mince words ?
Most [bold]TARTAN TORIES[/bold] can be ruder than this poster, starting with Diminutive (wonder if he joined in on "Rule Brttania" last night even if the second verse was omitted !) !
ditchgazza wrote:
People from this country used to get exiled to Aussie for criminal offences. To get exiled from Aussie must take some some doing, Eh. What was your crime. Stupidity, ignorance, boring people to death, spamming, or just being a butthole.
Why mince words ?
Most
TARTAN TORIES can be ruder than this poster, starting with Diminutive (wonder if he joined in on "Rule Brttania" last night even if the second verse was omitted !) !
Posted by: puskas, East Kilbride on 4:09pm Thu 15 May 08
[quote][bold]Exiled Aussie[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]ditchgazza[/bold] wrote: People from this country used [bold]to[/bold] get exiled to Aussie for criminal offences. To get exiled [bold]from[/bold] Aussie must take some some doing, Eh. What was your crime. Stupidity, ignorance, boring people to death, spamming, or just being a butthole.[/quote] Why mince words ? Most [bold]TARTAN TORIES[/bold] can be ruder than this poster, starting with Diminutive (wonder if he joined in on "Rule Brttania" last night even if the second verse was omitted !) ![/quote] Look in a mirror Mr not wizard of OZ.....
I shall ask a simple question . As you are not obviously a nationalist who would you suggest we lean to by our voting intentions.
Include Westminster and Holyrood.... Your reply will say much to us all regards yourself and your normal utterances.
Exiled Aussie wrote:
ditchgazza wrote: People from this country used to get exiled to Aussie for criminal offences. To get exiled from Aussie must take some some doing, Eh. What was your crime. Stupidity, ignorance, boring people to death, spamming, or just being a butthole.
Why mince words ? Most TARTAN TORIES can be ruder than this poster, starting with Diminutive (wonder if he joined in on "Rule Brttania" last night even if the second verse was omitted !) !
Look in a mirror Mr not wizard of OZ.....
I shall ask a simple question . As you are not obviously a nationalist who would you suggest we lean to by our voting intentions.
Include Westminster and Holyrood.... Your reply will say much to us all regards yourself and your normal utterances.
Posted by: Peter Thomson, Labpoor - bad for Scotland on 4:26pm Thu 15 May 08
Ah Hamish MacOssie our Austrian friend from the bunkers at Bannockburn is back on line after yesterday's success having Foulkesake as personal guest in the bunker. Who is it today Bruce McKromptin- Jackie the Hutt, Magrat the Currant?
Let's here it for the unionists who also bring you the Proud to be Scotage show , Denial's are us and Help us find our backsides with our own hands. New for Summer will be, Round your U-bend with U-turn Wendy.... and that classic Tartan Tory Music box (which just repeats and repeats and re........)
Ah Hamish MacOssie our Austrian friend from the bunkers at Bannockburn is back on line after yesterday's success having Foulkesake as personal guest in the bunker. Who is it today Bruce McKromptin- Jackie the Hutt, Magrat the Currant?
Let's here it for the unionists who also bring you the Proud to be Scotage show , Denial's are us and Help us find our backsides with our own hands. New for Summer will be, Round your U-bend with U-turn Wendy.... and that classic Tartan Tory Music box (which just repeats and repeats and re........)
Posted by: puskas, East Kilbride on 4:28pm Thu 15 May 08
[quote][bold]Free Thinker[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Archie[/bold] wrote: I watched FMQs on BBCs' iplayer. Before FMQs start, they get in a wee dig at the SNP. Then ye get FMQs where Alex Salmond wipes the floor with the pretenders and charlatans. Then ye get sycophantic ranter and "political analyst" Douglas Fraser's slant on it. He says there is no substance to the SNPs policies. WHO THE F IS DOUGLAS FRASER??? THIS GUY FRASER TURNS A BLIND EYE TO LABOUR CORRUPTION AND GROSS IMBECILITY & APPEARS TO WANT A RETURN TO THE HORRIBLE MOB IN POWER. WHY, WHY WHY DOUGLAS??? THEY ARE ELITIST DIDDIES FOR SURE. THEY DESTROYED MY AND COUNTLESS OTHERS' LIVELIHOODS. THEY PROMOTE THEMSELVES AND THEIR COHORTS AT THE EXPENSE OF MANY OTHERS. BUT DOUGLAS THE RANTING SYCOPHANTIC BUFFOON THINKS, OR THE BBC DO, THAT WE CANNOT WORK OUT WHAT'S GOING ON FOR OURSELVES AND THAT WE NEED IT ALL EXPLAINED BY A RANTING SYCOPHANT AND BUFFOON LIKE INTELLECTUALLY CHALLENGED AND BLINKERED WANNA BE IDIOT MR FRASER. THE SAME GUY PRINTS TOSH IN AN ONLINE NEWSPAPER AND COMMENTS ARE NOT ALLOWED. HOW PREDICTABLE IS THAT??? HOW DEMOCRATIC IS THAT??? i, FOR ONE, AM FED UP WITH THE LIKES OF DOUGLAS FRASER AND HIS MINIONS GORDON BROON AND WENDY ALEXANDER. I THINK HE SHOULD LEARN A TRADE OR SOMETHING BECAUSE HE DOESN'T REALLY CUT IT AS A COMEDIAN. [/quote] Brilliant post! Well said![/quote] Or a journalist that has credibility..
I agree with the many comments regards censorship in the Herald....
Gentleman the debate has been won on the forums regards independence.. Expand into the public domain to progress further the righteous path for Scotland.
The Frasers of this world are plentiful reporting unscrupulous articles and have no shame....
Maybe its just me, surely the Frasers of the media realise they discredit themselves more than they may think...
Cheerio Douglas.. The imbeciles from Nu-Liebour Wendy, Jackie et al will be happy and shall enjoy your company...
Free Thinker wrote:
Archie wrote: I watched FMQs on BBCs' iplayer. Before FMQs start, they get in a wee dig at the SNP. Then ye get FMQs where Alex Salmond wipes the floor with the pretenders and charlatans. Then ye get sycophantic ranter and "political analyst" Douglas Fraser's slant on it. He says there is no substance to the SNPs policies. WHO THE F IS DOUGLAS FRASER??? THIS GUY FRASER TURNS A BLIND EYE TO LABOUR CORRUPTION AND GROSS IMBECILITY & APPEARS TO WANT A RETURN TO THE HORRIBLE MOB IN POWER. WHY, WHY WHY DOUGLAS??? THEY ARE ELITIST DIDDIES FOR SURE. THEY DESTROYED MY AND COUNTLESS OTHERS' LIVELIHOODS. THEY PROMOTE THEMSELVES AND THEIR COHORTS AT THE EXPENSE OF MANY OTHERS. BUT DOUGLAS THE RANTING SYCOPHANTIC BUFFOON THINKS, OR THE BBC DO, THAT WE CANNOT WORK OUT WHAT'S GOING ON FOR OURSELVES AND THAT WE NEED IT ALL EXPLAINED BY A RANTING SYCOPHANT AND BUFFOON LIKE INTELLECTUALLY CHALLENGED AND BLINKERED WANNA BE IDIOT MR FRASER. THE SAME GUY PRINTS TOSH IN AN ONLINE NEWSPAPER AND COMMENTS ARE NOT ALLOWED. HOW PREDICTABLE IS THAT??? HOW DEMOCRATIC IS THAT??? i, FOR ONE, AM FED UP WITH THE LIKES OF DOUGLAS FRASER AND HIS MINIONS GORDON BROON AND WENDY ALEXANDER. I THINK HE SHOULD LEARN A TRADE OR SOMETHING BECAUSE HE DOESN'T REALLY CUT IT AS A COMEDIAN.
Brilliant post! Well said!
Or a journalist that has credibility..
I agree with the many comments regards censorship in the Herald....
Gentleman the debate has been won on the forums regards independence.. Expand into the public domain to progress further the righteous path for Scotland.
The Frasers of this world are plentiful reporting unscrupulous articles and have no shame....
Maybe its just me, surely the Frasers of the media realise they discredit themselves more than they may think...
Cheerio Douglas.. The imbeciles from Nu-Liebour Wendy, Jackie et al will be happy and shall enjoy your company...
Posted by: tris, scotland on 6:49pm Thu 15 May 08
[quote]Labour MPs were a little happier with the 10p tax row defused, but drowning men will clutch at anything. Some 1.1 million of the lowest-paid workers, earning up to £13,000, will still be worse off, some of them by £230 a year.[/quote]
And when you earn as little as £13,000 a year (well under the poverty line) £230 is a lot of money.
But according to the news Mrs Martin is allowed more taxis in the future, so I suppose the poor have to be taxed so that she doesn't need to put her superior posterior anywhere near the seat of a bus with ordinary people.
Labour... Up the workers... yeah, right up the workers
Labour MPs were a little happier with the 10p tax row defused, but drowning men will clutch at anything. Some 1.1 million of the lowest-paid workers, earning up to £13,000, will still be worse off, some of them by £230 a year.
And when you earn as little as £13,000 a year (well under the poverty line) £230 is a lot of money.
But according to the news Mrs Martin is allowed more taxis in the future, so I suppose the poor have to be taxed so that she doesn't need to put her superior posterior anywhere near the seat of a bus with ordinary people.
Labour... Up the workers... yeah, right up the workers
Posted by: pehman, sussex on 7:17pm Thu 15 May 08
In defence of the Heralds no comments section lately
A couple of weeks ago they sent me an e-mail questionair on what I thought of their site and also the Sunday edition.
I dare say I wasn't alone in reciving this e-mail, so I am wondering if the site is closed, while changes are made.
But if this is the case, please Herald let us know, you are a Newspaper after all, so even if the Herald is the news --- LET US KNOW
In defence of the Heralds no comments section lately
A couple of weeks ago they sent me an e-mail questionair on what I thought of their site and also the Sunday edition.
I dare say I wasn't alone in reciving this e-mail, so I am wondering if the site is closed, while changes are made.
But if this is the case, please Herald let us know, you are a Newspaper after all, so even if the Herald is the news --- LET US KNOW
Posted by: Hamish McKropotkin, Bannockburn on 7:23pm Thu 15 May 08
[quote][bold]pehman[/bold] wrote:
In defence of the Heralds no comments section lately A couple of weeks ago they sent me an e-mail questionair on what I thought of their site and also the Sunday edition. I dare say I wasn't alone in reciving this e-mail, so I am wondering if the site is closed, while changes are made. But if this is the case, please Herald let us know, you are a Newspaper after all, so even if the Herald is the news --- LET US KNOW [/quote] The Herald is responsible for the content on this and all their sites. My information is that they have been warned about the personal attacks and lies that have passed as 'comment' recently. There has also been personal attacks made against employees of the Herald. What reasonable employer would allow their employees to be attacked by anonymous contributors on a website owned by the employer?
If your employer set up an internet message board which allowed anonymous people to cast aspersions on your honesty and integrity would you be pleased?
Accusations of corruption are thrown far too lightly on this site. We are all paying for the less restrained contributors worst excesses.
pehman wrote:
In defence of the Heralds no comments section lately A couple of weeks ago they sent me an e-mail questionair on what I thought of their site and also the Sunday edition. I dare say I wasn't alone in reciving this e-mail, so I am wondering if the site is closed, while changes are made. But if this is the case, please Herald let us know, you are a Newspaper after all, so even if the Herald is the news --- LET US KNOW
The Herald is responsible for the content on this and all their sites. My information is that they have been warned about the personal attacks and lies that have passed as 'comment' recently. There has also been personal attacks made against employees of the Herald. What reasonable employer would allow their employees to be attacked by anonymous contributors on a website owned by the employer?
If your employer set up an internet message board which allowed anonymous people to cast aspersions on your honesty and integrity would you be pleased?
Accusations of corruption are thrown far too lightly on this site. We are all paying for the less restrained contributors worst excesses.
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