Despite Mr Brown's insistence in weekend television interviews that Mr Field was satisfied with the assurances that headed off the earlier revolt on the 10p tax change, it was clear that the Birkenhead MP was far from mollified

Tamsin Dunwoody, Gwyneth Dunwoody's 49-year-old daughter, has been selected as the Labour candidate.

JohnM wrote:
Brown really doesn't connect yet (despite "feeling their pain") that people in England want him to feel their pain in a more prosaic way.

Unfortunately Wendy has (probably unintentionally in a numpty way) stirred up the EU referendum scars which may have Gordon havering uncontrollably at the next interview on this topic. "Since your Labour Leader is proposing to bring forward a referendum on Scotland, why does this seem to meet with your approval compared to the EU one you promised and didn't hold?"

You can imagine the furore in London as they realise Wendy has done another loose cannon impression.

The problem with the other stuff is that Gordon would have to reverse practically every policy, budget item and piece of flawed legislation he's been involved with which would bring th house of cards crashing down. So he's still fatally wounded and no amount of gloss will fix this.

Vivas wrote:
What is Frank Fields problem ? Toom tabard feels all the pain and has it all in hand.

All the 10p losers have to do in order to get their own money back ... is to go cap in hand and fill out the tax-credit form, make several phone-calls to chase it up, deal with the brain-dead time-server on 12K PA on the other end who doesn't give a feck and then wait for the money to roll in a few week/months later (or never). And for god sake remember to inform them if "your circumstances change" because then the whole thing has to start all over again and they might need to claw it back in any case.

Couldn't be easier from Toom Tabards perspective.

He - feels - our - pain.

Wardog wrote:

Vivas wrote:
What is Frank Fields problem ? Toom tabard feels all the pain and has it all in hand.

All the 10p losers have to do in order to get their own money back ... is to go cap in hand and fill out the tax-credit form, make several phone-calls to chase it up, deal with the brain-dead time-server on 12K PA on the other end who doesn't give a feck and then wait for the money to roll in a few week/months later (or never). And for god sake remember to inform them if "your circumstances change" because then the whole thing has to start all over again and they might need to claw it back in any case.

Couldn't be easier from Toom Tabards perspective.

He - feels - our - pain.

And that's WITHOUT compensation what they will lose between now and when sporgy broon get's round to implementing this.

brown still thinks that it will be him that calls the time of the election, events dear boy...... events

"It's over. There was nothing constructive in the voters' message. These elections were not an invitation to change. They were a big two-fingered salute, a raspberry, a pressing of the de-trousered national buttocks to the window of the polling station"

Matthew Parris, The Times

kotb wrote:
I'd like to point out that not everybody dislikes Gordon Brown and his policies.

The illegal immigrants who can flit from doctor to doctor receiving free NHS treatment, the Slovakian Roma who have become the priority for housing in Glasgow, the glut of pregnant women coming here from Nigeria and elsewhere to have their children at British taxpayer's expense (as exposed on Five Live Radio on Sunday night) and many other groups with no connection to Britain must think Brown and Britain are utterly wonderful, the biggest soft touch in the entire world.

So remember - it's not always a frown with Gordon Brown.

Tamsin Dunwoody, Gwyneth Dunwoody's 49-year-old daughter, has been selected as the Labour candidate.

Vivas wrote:
What is Frank Fields problem ? Toom tabard feels all the pain and has it all in hand. All the 10p losers have to do in order to get their own money back ... is to go cap in hand and fill out the tax-credit form, make several phone-calls to chase it up, deal with the brain-dead time-server on 12K PA on the other end who doesn't give a feck and then wait for the money to roll in a few week/months later (or never). And for god sake remember to inform them if "your circumstances change" because then the whole thing has to start all over again and they might need to claw it back in any case. Couldn't be easier from Toom Tabards perspective. He - feels - our - pain.

Wardog wrote:
Let's see 10p Income Tax Revolt Part II 42 Days Revolt (tbc) Westminster By Election Looming Financial Crisis Company Tax Changes leading to firms uprooting out of he UK All this with Mr 'Doubtfire' at the helm!

"It's over. There was nothing constructive in the voters' message. These elections were not an invitation to change. They were a big two-fingered salute, a raspberry, a pressing of the de-trousered national buttocks to the window of the polling station" Matthew Parris, The Times

Oh dear, Mr Brown's Jerusalem Dream is well and truly over. Has anyone polled the english yet about what they think of Brown's Scottishness? - it could be incendiary Patently not

Has anyone polled the english yet about what they think of Brown's Scottishness? - it could be incendiary

"It's a good thing that British Prime Minister Gordon Brown's U.S. visit was upstaged by the dramatic reception Americans gave Pope Benedict XVI. Brown might have been booed if he hadn't delivered what aides called his "signature" speech within the cloistered walls of Harvard's Kennedy Center.

Brown's tedious, hour-long speech impudently demanded that we issue a "Declaration of Interdependence" in order to submit to global governance. That's another way of calling on us to repeal our Declaration of Independence.

No thanks for the advice, Mr. Brown. Brave Americans rose up and rejected Britain's royalist rule in 1776, and we've gotten along mighty well without transatlantic interference in our government for more than two centuries. We certainly don't want to reinstate any foreign supervision today.

The redundancy of Brown's outrageous semantics was oppressive. His speech used the word global 69 times, globalization 7 times, and interdependence 13 times. He referred to Kennedy 19 times, lavishing fulsome praise on John F. ("his influence abides everywhere"), Robert (he sent forth "ripples of hope"), and Ted ("one of the greatest Senators in more than two centuries").

Brown rejected the traditional concept of national sovereignty, which means an independent nation not subservient to any outside control, telling us to replace it with "responsible sovereignty," which he defined as accepting what he calls our global "obligations." Hold on to your pocketbook.

Brown admitted that his "main argument" is that we must accept "new global rules," "new global institutions," and "global networks." Brown's global rules include massive U.S. cash handouts and opening U.S. borders to the world.

Brown's use of well-known American political phrases was tacky. He tried to morph FDR's New Deal into a "New Global Deal," and JFK's New Frontier into "the New Frontier is that there is no frontier."

Brown even slipped in an attempt at thought control: "Americans must learn to think inter-continentally.
" He declaimed, "We are all internationalists now."

Using the rhetorical device of inevitability, Brown warned us that his vision of the globalist future is "irreversible transformation." He wants to "transcend states" and "transcend borders" as he builds the "architecture of a global society."

Brown peddled the nonsense that the peoples of the world "subscribe to similar ideals." He tried to tell us that all religions (Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists) have "common values" and "similar ideals." No, they certainly do not.

Brown wants to increase the power of the United Nations to become the source of "an international stand-by capacity of trained civilian experts, ready to go anywhere at any time," and even be able to exercise "military force." Americans do not intend to cede such authority to the corrupt UN.

The silliest part of Brown's ponderous speech was his claim that "a global society" is "advancing democracy widely across the world." In fact, he doesn't even practice democracy in his own country.

Brown refused to allow the British people to vote on whether or not they want to accept the European Union (EU) constitution. He acquiesced in the plot of the constitution's author, Valery Giscard d'Estaing, to put the EU constitution into effect by calling it a treaty so it did not have to be voted on by the people.

Brown was chicken about the treaty subterfuge and did not permit a photographic record of his participation. He sent his Foreign Secretary to perform the official treaty signing in front of cameras.

The EU constitution, now called the Treaty of Lisbon, requires all signers to surrender their sovereignty and democracy to unelected bureaucrats in Brussels and judges in Strasbourg. The EU constitution takes away England's right to pass its own laws, forces England to surrender more than 60 UK vetoes of EU decisions, and gives the EU bureaucracy and tribunals total control over England's immigration policy.

Instead of a self-governing nation whose democratic system was developed over centuries, England is now ruled by what Margaret Thatcher called "the paper pushers in Brussels."

Brown made his globalism speech emphatic by repeatedly invoking the words "New World Order." The New World Order Brown tries to con the United States into accepting would mean taxing Americans for foreign handouts so immense they would make the Marshall Plan look puny, global warming rules to drastically reduce our standard of living, and putting American workers in a common labor pool with the world's billions who subsist on less than $2 a day.

Gordon Brown invited us to march forward to globalism "where there is no path." He's correct that there is no path on which we can expect globalism to lead us to a better world; in fact every path toward global government is a surrender of our liberty and our prosperity.

Gordon Brown should go back home and study up on how Americans refused to accept orders from King George III."

Harry wrote:
Poor old Mr Bean gets it wrong no matter how hard he tries, this from an American on a forum I visit,

"It's a good thing that British Prime Minister Gordon Brown's U.S. visit was upstaged by the dramatic reception Americans gave Pope Benedict XVI. Brown might have been booed if he hadn't delivered what aides called his "signature" speech within the cloistered walls of Harvard's Kennedy Center. Brown's tedious, hour-long speech impudently demanded that we issue a "Declaration of Interdependence" in order to submit to global governance. That's another way of calling on us to repeal our Declaration of Independence. No thanks for the advice, Mr. Brown. Brave Americans rose up and rejected Britain's royalist rule in 1776, and we've gotten along mighty well without transatlantic interference in our government for more than two centuries. We certainly don't want to reinstate any foreign supervision today. The redundancy of Brown's outrageous semantics was oppressive. His speech used the word global 69 times, globalization 7 times, and interdependence 13 times. He referred to Kennedy 19 times, lavishing fulsome praise on John F. ("his influence abides everywhere"), Robert (he sent forth "ripples of hope"), and Ted ("one of the greatest Senators in more than two centuries"). Brown rejected the traditional concept of national sovereignty, which means an independent nation not subservient to any outside control, telling us to replace it with "responsible sovereignty," which he defined as accepting what he calls our global "obligations." Hold on to your pocketbook. Brown admitted that his "main argument" is that we must accept "new global rules," "new global institutions," and "global networks." Brown's global rules include massive U.S. cash handouts and opening U.S. borders to the world. Brown's use of well-known American political phrases was tacky. He tried to morph FDR's New Deal into a "New Global Deal," and JFK's New Frontier into "the New Frontier is that there is no frontier." Brown even slipped in an attempt at thought control: "Americans must learn to think inter-continentally. " He declaimed, "We are all internationalists now." Using the rhetorical device of inevitability, Brown warned us that his vision of the globalist future is "irreversible transformation." He wants to "transcend states" and "transcend borders" as he builds the "architecture of a global society." Brown peddled the nonsense that the peoples of the world "subscribe to similar ideals." He tried to tell us that all religions (Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists) have "common values" and "similar ideals." No, they certainly do not. Brown wants to increase the power of the United Nations to become the source of "an international stand-by capacity of trained civilian experts, ready to go anywhere at any time," and even be able to exercise "military force." Americans do not intend to cede such authority to the corrupt UN. The silliest part of Brown's ponderous speech was his claim that "a global society" is "advancing democracy widely across the world." In fact, he doesn't even practice democracy in his own country. Brown refused to allow the British people to vote on whether or not they want to accept the European Union (EU) constitution. He acquiesced in the plot of the constitution's author, Valery Giscard d'Estaing, to put the EU constitution into effect by calling it a treaty so it did not have to be voted on by the people. Brown was chicken about the treaty subterfuge and did not permit a photographic record of his participation. He sent his Foreign Secretary to perform the official treaty signing in front of cameras. The EU constitution, now called the Treaty of Lisbon, requires all signers to surrender their sovereignty and democracy to unelected bureaucrats in Brussels and judges in Strasbourg. The EU constitution takes away England's right to pass its own laws, forces England to surrender more than 60 UK vetoes of EU decisions, and gives the EU bureaucracy and tribunals total control over England's immigration policy. Instead of a self-governing nation whose democratic system was developed over centuries, England is now ruled by what Margaret Thatcher called "the paper pushers in Brussels." Brown made his globalism speech emphatic by repeatedly invoking the words "New World Order." The New World Order Brown tries to con the United States into accepting would mean taxing Americans for foreign handouts so immense they would make the Marshall Plan look puny, global warming rules to drastically reduce our standard of living, and putting American workers in a common labor pool with the world's billions who subsist on less than $2 a day. Gordon Brown invited us to march forward to globalism "where there is no path." He's correct that there is no path on which we can expect globalism to lead us to a better world; in fact every path toward global government is a surrender of our liberty and our prosperity. Gordon Brown should go back home and study up on how Americans refused to accept orders from King George III."

A good post from the American. it's just a pity that he spoiled things by confusing England and the UK as being the same country.

tris wrote:
I see from the BBC website that Darling is to meet the Layabout rebels on the 10p debacle. According to the Beeb, it is hoped to partially compensate those worst hit.... WHAT? Partial compensation isn't enough when you admitted you got it wrong. It has to be total compensation... And "those worst hit"....? How can you be "not too badly hit" when you earn starvation wages like these. EVERYONE WHO LOST MONEY IS HURTING BROWN... PEOPLE ON THAT KIND OF WAGE WERE HURTING BEFORE YOU DOUBLED THEIR TAX. Clueless ****.