Alexander turns up heat on Salmond, saying 'bring it on'
Labour's Holyrood leader Wendy Alexander yesterday increased the pace on her new-found enthusiasm for a straight yes or no independence referendum, telling Alex Salmond: "Enough of huff, puff and bluff - bring it on."
But if Ms Alexander's uncharacteristically aggressive response was calculated to strike fear in her Nationalist opponents and inspire confidence in her party colleagues and Unionist allies, there was little sign of that working last night.
Her dramatic U-turn on television on Sunday came out of the blue, but she showed no sign of holding back on radio last night, saying the SNP's plans not to legislate until 2010 meant a climate of uncertainty right through to the next Holyrood election.
Arguing for a straight argument for or against independence, she said: "Let's get on with it. It's a measure of their weakness that all they do is bleat about me changing my mind. That will be forgotten by tomorrow. The reality is that the SNP are running scared of Scotland's verdict."
But Ms Alexander asserted that only now had the SNP said they would delay legislating for a referendum until 2010, when in fact that was their manifesto commitment.
She also said it would take nine months for that legislation to be passed, a claim the government denies, and she also cited business tycoon Sir Tom Hunter as calling for an early vote, something he specifically denied after comments he made recently.
Ms Alexander avoided the question of whether or not she had Gordon Brown's backing for the new tactic but she insisted: "I am very attracted to the idea of a straight choice for or against independence which Alex Salmond says he is in favour of but which he seems to be remarkably reluctant to put to the vote."
An aide to Deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said: "We are delighted that Labour's disarray has forced Ms Alexander into a massive U-turn. We will stick to what we offered the people; demonstrating credibility in government, engaging with the people through our national conversation and bringing forward a referendum in 2010. This is a timetable that was set out in our manifesto."
Robert Brown of the Liberal Democrats, said: "This is a panic response from a Labour Party in free-fall after last week's English and Welsh elections. Wendy Alexander does not support independence and politicians should not support a referendum which they do not back.Voters in Scotland will not look kindly on politicians who put themselves and their party above the interests of the country."
A Tory spokesman said: "Scotland's future should be the subject of calm and considered debate, not knee-jerk panic by a Labour Party in political meltdown. The Calman Commission should be left to get on with its health check on devolution."
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Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 9:22pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote]But if Ms Alexander's uncharacteristically aggressive response was calculated to strike fear in her Nationalist opponents and inspire confidence in her party colleagues and Unionist allies, [bold]there was little sign of that working last night.[/bold][/quote]
And even less once we hear her on Newsnicht!
But if Ms Alexander's uncharacteristically aggressive response was calculated to strike fear in her Nationalist opponents and inspire confidence in her party colleagues and Unionist allies, there was little sign of that working last night.
And even less once we hear her on Newsnicht!
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 9:23pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote]But Ms Alexander asserted that only now had the SNP said they would delay legislating for a referendum until 2010, when in fact that was their manifesto commitment.[/quote]
She's flustered, running with the dogs!
But Ms Alexander asserted that only now had the SNP said they would delay legislating for a referendum until 2010, when in fact that was their manifesto commitment.
She's flustered, running with the dogs!
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 9:24pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote]She also said it would take nine months for that legislation to be passed, a claim the government denies, and she also cited business tycoon Sir Tom Hunter as calling for an early vote, something he specifically denied after comments he made recently.[/quote]
Tom Hunter said nothing of the sort, he actually states the opposite and that a referendum should possible even be delayed into the next parliament....
Read Tom's Views Here
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She also said it would take nine months for that legislation to be passed, a claim the government denies, and she also cited business tycoon Sir Tom Hunter as calling for an early vote, something he specifically denied after comments he made recently.
Tom Hunter said nothing of the sort, he actually states the opposite and that a referendum should possible even be delayed into the next parliament....
Read Tom's Views Here
www.timesonline.co.u
k/tol/news/uk/scotla
nd/article3868220.ec
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Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 9:25pm Mon 5 May 08
Robert Brown of the Liberal Democrats,
[quote]
Voters in Scotland will not look kindly on politicians who put themselves and their party above the interests of the country[/quote]
Oh dear Wendy
Robert Brown of the Liberal Democrats,
Voters in Scotland will not look kindly on politicians who put themselves and their party above the interests of the country
Oh dear Wendy
Posted by: Rev. S. Campbell, Bath on 9:25pm Mon 5 May 08
Is all this really happening? Suddenly we've got enough votes at Holyrood to pass a referendum of the breakup of the United Kingdom - the biggest event in the constitution of these islands for 300 years - and it hasn't been mentioned ONCE on BBC News 24 all day, which is leading me to believe I'm dreaming it.
Is all this really happening? Suddenly we've got enough votes at Holyrood to pass a referendum of the breakup of the United Kingdom - the biggest event in the constitution of these islands for 300 years - and it hasn't been mentioned ONCE on BBC News 24 all day, which is leading me to believe I'm dreaming it.
Posted by: Kadok, West End on 9:36pm Mon 5 May 08
Rev. S. Campbell
I switched on News 24 this evening and there was a studio discussion on U-Bendy Wendy.
Also the second item on Channel 4 News.
Wardog, it's a bank holiday so no Wendy on Newsnicht tonight.
When the serious political commentators come back from their holidays they are going to make hay. This will become a huge UK story I think.
Rev. S. Campbell
I switched on News 24 this evening and there was a studio discussion on U-Bendy Wendy.
Also the second item on Channel 4 News.
Wardog, it's a bank holiday so no Wendy on Newsnicht tonight.
When the serious political commentators come back from their holidays they are going to make hay. This will become a huge UK story I think.
Posted by: Karin, glasgae. on 9:36pm Mon 5 May 08
Ms Alexander avoided the question of whether or not she had Gordon Brown's backing for the new tactic
kind of says it all really doesnt it?
Ms Alexander avoided the question of whether or not she had Gordon Brown's backing for the new tactic
kind of says it all really doesnt it?
Posted by: Karin, glasgae. on 9:37pm Mon 5 May 08
kadok
wahhhhh ha ha ha ha
thats the best one yet
u bendy still laughing.
totally using that.
lol
kadok
wahhhhh ha ha ha ha
thats the best one yet
u bendy still laughing.
totally using that.
lol
Posted by: nouveauxscum on 9:38pm Mon 5 May 08
Apart from all her gaffs these last two days she appears on tonight's news backing a straight yes or no. Very strange.
No sleekit ambiguity in the questions?
No counting the dead or no-showers as no votes?
I expect a slap down from Desperate Des or McChoob this week. Or maybe not....
Apart from all her gaffs these last two days she appears on tonight's news backing a straight yes or no. Very strange.
No sleekit ambiguity in the questions?
No counting the dead or no-showers as no votes?
I expect a slap down from Desperate Des or McChoob this week. Or maybe not....
Posted by: Karin, glasgae. on 9:40pm Mon 5 May 08
Robert Brown of the Liberal Democrats, said: "This is a panic response from a Labour Party in free-fall after last week's English and Welsh elections. Wendy Alexander does not support independence and politicians should not support a referendum which they do not back.
oops looks like nicol didnt get the memo and has sent out an underling so he doesnt look silly.
too late.
Robert Brown of the Liberal Democrats, said: "This is a panic response from a Labour Party in free-fall after last week's English and Welsh elections. Wendy Alexander does not support independence and politicians should not support a referendum which they do not back.
oops looks like nicol didnt get the memo and has sent out an underling so he doesnt look silly.
too late.
Posted by: Mrs I P Knightly, Scotland on 9:41pm Mon 5 May 08
I'm glad she isn't on Newsnicht as everytime she appears on TV our dog barks at the TV. I kid you not! It must be here voice. It can be a bit irritating try to watch a political programme with the dog barking away.
I'm glad she isn't on Newsnicht as everytime she appears on TV our dog barks at the TV. I kid you not! It must be here voice. It can be a bit irritating try to watch a political programme with the dog barking away.
Posted by: Karin, glasgae. on 9:42pm Mon 5 May 08
oh my god the more times i read this the funnier it gets.
oh my god the more times i read this the funnier it gets.
Posted by: McSomeone, Scotland on 9:43pm Mon 5 May 08
OK own up whose been giving Bendy, Maggies testosterone!
OK own up whose been giving Bendy, Maggies testosterone!
Posted by: nouveauxscum, Sett on 9:47pm Mon 5 May 08
Laugh not you ungrateful swine - Wendy has changed her mind.
LOL
Laugh not you ungrateful swine - Wendy has changed her mind.
LOL
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 9:48pm Mon 5 May 08
Wendy Alexander scweemed "Enough of huff, puff and bluff - bring it on."
Yup. Another Wendy Alexander bwoken pwomirth.
Wendy Alexander scweemed "Enough of huff, puff and bluff - bring it on."
Yup. Another Wendy Alexander bwoken pwomirth.
Posted by: Karin, glasgae. on 9:49pm Mon 5 May 08
But Ms Alexander asserted that only now had the SNP said they would delay legislating for a referendum until 2010, when in fact that was their manifesto commitment.
But Ms Alexander asserted that only now had the SNP said they would delay legislating for a referendum until 2010, when in fact that was their manifesto commitment.
Posted by: Karin, glasgae. on 9:50pm Mon 5 May 08
i meant to add but posted
i meant to say that
But Ms Alexander asserted that only now had the SNP said they would delay legislating for a referendum until 2010, when in fact that was their manifesto commitment.
no doubt if the snp said yeah okay she would whine another bwoken pwomith.
ye couldnae make this stuff up. its like yes minister only its real.
i meant to add but posted
i meant to say that
But Ms Alexander asserted that only now had the SNP said they would delay legislating for a referendum until 2010, when in fact that was their manifesto commitment.
no doubt if the snp said yeah okay she would whine another bwoken pwomith.
ye couldnae make this stuff up. its like yes minister only its real.
Posted by: Karin, glasgae. on 9:52pm Mon 5 May 08
god who knew poltics could be so funny. can we nominate wendy for a comedy award she has made me laugh more this year than any comedian.
god who knew poltics could be so funny. can we nominate wendy for a comedy award she has made me laugh more this year than any comedian.
Posted by: Karin, glasgae. on 9:54pm Mon 5 May 08
i mean a dodgy donation of 950 quid from jersey.
her hubby supporting independence.
the back stabbing and duncy mcneil saying there hasnt been much backstabbing
the crib sheet and jackie f ing fabulous
and now this. yeah but no buy yeah referendum.
oh my god my sides hurt from laughing.
i mean a dodgy donation of 950 quid from jersey.
her hubby supporting independence.
the back stabbing and duncy mcneil saying there hasnt been much backstabbing
the crib sheet and jackie f ing fabulous
and now this. yeah but no buy yeah referendum.
oh my god my sides hurt from laughing.
Posted by: Karin, glasgae. on 9:56pm Mon 5 May 08
oh and i forgot about the whole lets table an ammendment to the budget and then not vote for it.
he he he he oh god im going to need surgery for split sides.
good job the snp kept the hospitals open that wendy wanted to close.
oh and i forgot about the whole lets table an ammendment to the budget and then not vote for it.
he he he he oh god im going to need surgery for split sides.
good job the snp kept the hospitals open that wendy wanted to close.
Posted by: Karin, glasgae. on 9:57pm Mon 5 May 08
Arguing for a straight argument for or against independence, she said: "Let's get on with it. It's a measure of their weakness that all they do is [bold]bleat about me changing my mind. That will be forgotten by tomorrow.[/bold]
this bit cracks me up..................
..er guess what wendy no we wont forget.
Arguing for a straight argument for or against independence, she said: "Let's get on with it. It's a measure of their weakness that all they do is
bleat about me changing my mind. That will be forgotten by tomorrow.
this bit cracks me up..................
..er guess what wendy no we wont forget.
Posted by: OHO, Glasgow on 9:59pm Mon 5 May 08
So let's get this right - totally opposed, goes as far as to set up a Commission to look at every possible combination and connotation EXCEPT independence - and then suddenly decides, without a word to her other Unionist mates on the Commission, that she has about turned and thinks it's a great idea! Dearie, dearie, me Wendy! I think that perhaps Steven Purcell had a lot more to do with this than Tom Hunter. He is breathing down your neck as the potential next leader.....
Once the labour party has suffered the total humiliation of Gordon Brown and Wendy Alexander and decides to wipe the slate clean, we might have an interesting opposition in the new, Independent Scotland. Until then, it's like having a ringside seat at the circus.
So let's get this right - totally opposed, goes as far as to set up a Commission to look at every possible combination and connotation EXCEPT independence - and then suddenly decides, without a word to her other Unionist mates on the Commission, that she has about turned and thinks it's a great idea! Dearie, dearie, me Wendy! I think that perhaps Steven Purcell had a lot more to do with this than Tom Hunter. He is breathing down your neck as the potential next leader.....
Once the labour party has suffered the total humiliation of Gordon Brown and Wendy Alexander and decides to wipe the slate clean, we might have an interesting opposition in the new, Independent Scotland. Until then, it's like having a ringside seat at the circus.
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 10:00pm Mon 5 May 08
Dinwoodie Dunroamin[quote]But if Ms Alexander's uncharacteristically aggressive response[/quote] Uncharacteristic?
That his entire gamut of emotions, from A to B.
Dinwoodie Dunroamin
But if Ms Alexander's uncharacteristically aggressive response
Uncharacteristic?
That his entire gamut of emotions, from A to B.
Posted by: Rev. S. Campbell, Bath on 10:02pm Mon 5 May 08
Wardog: you're confusing your Toms, Hunter with Farmer.
Wardog: you're confusing your Toms, Hunter with Farmer.
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 10:02pm Mon 5 May 08
Liebour knows they will lose if there is a referendum on Independence in 2011. After 3 years of Alex Salmond and the SNP government showing the Scots the big difference of a nationalist agenda.
So liebour and Wendy the wee bairn wants to cut and run and have the referendum now.
Liebour knows they will lose if there is a referendum on Independence in 2011. After 3 years of Alex Salmond and the SNP government showing the Scots the big difference of a nationalist agenda.
So liebour and Wendy the wee bairn wants to cut and run and have the referendum now.
Posted by: nouveauxscum on 10:06pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]OHO[/bold] wrote:
So let's get this right - totally opposed, goes as far as to set up a Commission to look at every possible combination and connotation EXCEPT independence - and then suddenly decides, without a word to her other Unionist mates on the Commission, that she has about turned and thinks it's a great idea! Dearie, dearie, me Wendy! I think that perhaps Steven Purcell had a lot more to do with this than Tom Hunter. He is breathing down your neck as the potential next leader..... Once the labour party has suffered the total humiliation of Gordon Brown and Wendy Alexander and decides to wipe the slate clean, we might have an interesting opposition in the new, Independent Scotland. Until then, it's like having a ringside seat at the circus. [/quote] We all knew that New Labour would pull the rug from under the Tories and Libdem when it suited them. However, for a straight yes or no on independence? Woof....never saw that coming.
Nicol's magnificent olfactory sense must have his snout twitching like billio at the stench of treachery.
The word Unionist needs redefined.
OHO wrote:
So let's get this right - totally opposed, goes as far as to set up a Commission to look at every possible combination and connotation EXCEPT independence - and then suddenly decides, without a word to her other Unionist mates on the Commission, that she has about turned and thinks it's a great idea! Dearie, dearie, me Wendy! I think that perhaps Steven Purcell had a lot more to do with this than Tom Hunter. He is breathing down your neck as the potential next leader..... Once the labour party has suffered the total humiliation of Gordon Brown and Wendy Alexander and decides to wipe the slate clean, we might have an interesting opposition in the new, Independent Scotland. Until then, it's like having a ringside seat at the circus.
We all knew that New Labour would pull the rug from under the Tories and Libdem when it suited them. However, for a straight yes or no on independence? Woof....never saw that coming.
Nicol's magnificent olfactory sense must have his snout twitching like billio at the stench of treachery.
The word Unionist needs redefined.
Posted by: Margaret, edinburgh on 10:07pm Mon 5 May 08
Wendy, pet, away and have a lie down in a dark room. We sussed New Liebour's spin tactics (or is that antics) years ago, they don't work anymore...
Wendy, pet, away and have a lie down in a dark room. We sussed New Liebour's spin tactics (or is that antics) years ago, they don't work anymore...
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 10:08pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]Rev. S. Campbell[/bold] wrote:
Wardog: you're confusing your Toms, Hunter with Farmer.[/quote]
well spotted, ta Rev
Rev. S. Campbell wrote:
Wardog: you're confusing your Toms, Hunter with Farmer.
well spotted, ta Rev
Posted by: para handy, brittany, France on 10:08pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote]Once the labour party has suffered the total humiliation of Gordon Brown and Wendy Alexander and decides to wipe the slate clean, we might have an interesting opposition in the new, Independent Scotland. Until then, it's like having a ringside seat at the circus.[/quote]
Surely that's the problem - even allowing for Alex Salmond's highly effective profile, there is simply no effective opposition. Wendy Alexander is a joke, and Nicol Stephen is no better.
There's no better argument for independence than the absymal quailtiy of the politicians on the opposition benches.
Once the labour party has suffered the total humiliation of Gordon Brown and Wendy Alexander and decides to wipe the slate clean, we might have an interesting opposition in the new, Independent Scotland. Until then, it's like having a ringside seat at the circus.
Surely that's the problem - even allowing for Alex Salmond's highly effective profile, there is simply no effective opposition. Wendy Alexander is a joke, and Nicol Stephen is no better.
There's no better argument for independence than the absymal quailtiy of the politicians on the opposition benches.
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 10:09pm Mon 5 May 08
Wendy Alexander scweeched "Enough of huff, puff and bluff - bring it on.
Listen love. Repeat after me. Around the rocks, the rugged rascal ran.
Elocution, elocution, elocution.
Wendy Alexander scweeched "Enough of huff, puff and bluff - bring it on.
Listen love. Repeat after me. Around the rocks, the rugged rascal ran.
Elocution, elocution, elocution.
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 10:13pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]Wullie[/bold] wrote:
Wendy Alexander scweeched "Enough of huff, puff and bluff - bring it on.
Listen love. Repeat after me. Around the rocks, the rugged rascal ran.
Elocution, elocution, elocution.[/quote] ha ha ha ha
Wullie wrote:
Wendy Alexander scweeched "Enough of huff, puff and bluff - bring it on.
Listen love. Repeat after me. Around the rocks, the rugged rascal ran.
Elocution, elocution, elocution.
ha ha ha ha
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 10:15pm Mon 5 May 08
Beware of Greeks bearing gifts and the thought of Wendy Alexander baring all, makes me want to vomit all over the dog.
Beware of Greeks bearing gifts and the thought of Wendy Alexander baring all, makes me want to vomit all over the dog.
Posted by: Dave, Away on 10:16pm Mon 5 May 08
I have a question...
Who has the actual legal power to call an independence referendum? As I understand it only Westminister has the legal right (we're not talking moral, ethical etc.,...just legal).
Am I right or wrong?
(I may even be missing something on the European front....can folks apply for separation in the European parliament?...I must confess it seems to me the new European superstate has a great deal more legal power than has yet been tried out.....)
I have a question...
Who has the actual legal power to call an independence referendum? As I understand it only Westminister has the legal right (we're not talking moral, ethical etc.,...just legal).
Am I right or wrong?
(I may even be missing something on the European front....can folks apply for separation in the European parliament?...I must confess it seems to me the new European superstate has a great deal more legal power than has yet been tried out.....)
Posted by: Harry Shanks, Rutherglen on 10:18pm Mon 5 May 08
Wullie from Aberdeen has hit the nail squarely on the head. This is desperate, desperate stuff from Wendy. Her joke of a party is melting away faster than a rolo on a radiator.
Can't wait for the reaction from Gordon "Feel my Pain" Brown and his Scottish Stumbahnfuhrers Herr Browne & Herr Cairns.
Tee Hee.
Wullie from Aberdeen has hit the nail squarely on the head. This is desperate, desperate stuff from Wendy. Her joke of a party is melting away faster than a rolo on a radiator.
Can't wait for the reaction from Gordon "Feel my Pain" Brown and his Scottish Stumbahnfuhrers Herr Browne & Herr Cairns.
Tee Hee.
Posted by: Karin, glasgae. on 10:21pm Mon 5 May 08
i seriously think im dead some days and have gone to heaven i have to keep pinching myself to make sure im still alive. Its the only explanation i can come up with for the change that has happened in scotland
When i was a kid i really thought i wouldnt see independence in my lifetime and now i know i will. Its magic. Im so happy that i cant explain how happy i am. and wendy makes me happier every day with all the daft stuff she does.
i seriously think im dead some days and have gone to heaven i have to keep pinching myself to make sure im still alive. Its the only explanation i can come up with for the change that has happened in scotland
When i was a kid i really thought i wouldnt see independence in my lifetime and now i know i will. Its magic. Im so happy that i cant explain how happy i am. and wendy makes me happier every day with all the daft stuff she does.
Posted by: Grassy Knollington on 10:21pm Mon 5 May 08
Mrs I P Knightly, Scotland on 9:41pm today[quote]I'm glad she isn't on Newsnicht as everytime she appears on TV our dog barks at the TV.[/quote] so does mine but I've trained him to do it!
Mrs I P Knightly, Scotland on 9:41pm today
I'm glad she isn't on Newsnicht as everytime she appears on TV our dog barks at the TV.
so does mine but I've trained him to do it!
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 10:21pm Mon 5 May 08
Harry 10.18pm
Gordon Broon brought out the wife today to get the sympathy vote.
Real desperate stuff from liebour.
Harry 10.18pm
Gordon Broon brought out the wife today to get the sympathy vote.
Real desperate stuff from liebour.
Posted by: nouveauxscum on 10:22pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]Dave[/bold] wrote:
I have a question... Who has the actual legal power to call an independence referendum? As I understand it only Westminister has the legal right (we're not talking moral, ethical etc.,...just legal). Am I right or wrong? (I may even be missing something on the European front....can folks apply for separation in the European parliament?...I must confess it seems to me the new European superstate has a great deal more legal power than has yet been tried out.....)[/quote] Well, both I suppose Dave - if it were not legal for Holyrood to do it your beloved Wendy would not be calling for it.
A question, who would you trust to run it?
Dave wrote:
I have a question... Who has the actual legal power to call an independence referendum? As I understand it only Westminister has the legal right (we're not talking moral, ethical etc.,...just legal). Am I right or wrong? (I may even be missing something on the European front....can folks apply for separation in the European parliament?...I must confess it seems to me the new European superstate has a great deal more legal power than has yet been tried out.....)
Well, both I suppose Dave - if it were not legal for Holyrood to do it your beloved Wendy would not be calling for it.
A question, who would you trust to run it?
Posted by: Im no really here, but over there on 10:22pm Mon 5 May 08
Sorry Wendy, you don't call the tune. Your master may control Westminster, but you don't control Holyrood (never have, never will). You must be a bit scared about HP Sauces' future, because as soon as he goes your loyal party members will stick the knife in you good and proper.
Bendy Wendy and the unionist rabble accuse the SNP of not keeping to their Manifesto, then complain when they do. Ha, Ha, Ha.
The Calman Commission was brought in by the PM's Office. It's perhaps an interesting exercise, but it has got nothing to do with our Scottish Government. Perhaps Sir Ek will cut and paste the Commissions findings onto the SNP's National Discussion Website.
Sorry Wendy, you don't call the tune. Your master may control Westminster, but you don't control Holyrood (never have, never will). You must be a bit scared about HP Sauces' future, because as soon as he goes your loyal party members will stick the knife in you good and proper.
Bendy Wendy and the unionist rabble accuse the SNP of not keeping to their Manifesto, then complain when they do. Ha, Ha, Ha.
The Calman Commission was brought in by the PM's Office. It's perhaps an interesting exercise, but it has got nothing to do with our Scottish Government. Perhaps Sir Ek will cut and paste the Commissions findings onto the SNP's National Discussion Website.
Posted by: Karin, glasgae. on 10:23pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]Dave[/bold] wrote:
I have a question... Who has the actual legal power to call an independence referendum? As I understand it only Westminister has the legal right (we're not talking moral, ethical etc.,...just legal). Am I right or wrong? (I may even be missing something on the European front....can folks apply for separation in the European parliament?...I must confess it seems to me the new European superstate has a great deal more legal power than has yet been tried out.....)[/quote] wrong.
Dave wrote:
I have a question... Who has the actual legal power to call an independence referendum? As I understand it only Westminister has the legal right (we're not talking moral, ethical etc.,...just legal). Am I right or wrong? (I may even be missing something on the European front....can folks apply for separation in the European parliament?...I must confess it seems to me the new European superstate has a great deal more legal power than has yet been tried out.....)
wrong.
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 10:23pm Mon 5 May 08
'' Wendy Alexander yesterday increased the pace on her new-found enthusiasm for a straight yes or no independence referendum, telling Alex Salmond: "Enough of huff, puff and bluff - bring it on."
Very, very, very, very, very fishy. I smell a rat.
'' Wendy Alexander yesterday increased the pace on her new-found enthusiasm for a straight yes or no independence referendum, telling Alex Salmond: "Enough of huff, puff and bluff - bring it on."
Very, very, very, very, very fishy. I smell a rat.
Posted by: Karin, glasgae. on 10:26pm Mon 5 May 08
wullie i think we all know whats coming next but we will wait and see they cant be that stupid surely..............
............
wullie i think we all know whats coming next but we will wait and see they cant be that stupid surely..............
............
Posted by: Kadok, West End on 10:30pm Mon 5 May 08
Times Online (Uk News, Scotland Section) is reporting that Wendy did this off her own bat without approval and has 'bounced' the party into a position they do not support. The cac is hitting the proverbial in the Labour Party. She has no authority to have done this.
Times Online (Uk News, Scotland Section) is reporting that Wendy did this off her own bat without approval and has 'bounced' the party into a position they do not support. The cac is hitting the proverbial in the Labour Party. She has no authority to have done this.
Posted by: Dave, Away on 10:30pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]nouveauxscum[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Dave[/bold] wrote: I have a question... Who has the actual legal power to call an independence referendum? As I understand it only Westminister has the legal right (we're not talking moral, ethical etc.,...just legal). Am I right or wrong? (I may even be missing something on the European front....can folks apply for separation in the European parliament?...I must confess it seems to me the new European superstate has a great deal more legal power than has yet been tried out.....)[/quote] Well, both I suppose Dave - if it were not legal for Holyrood to do it your beloved Wendy would not be calling for it. A question, who would you trust to run it? [/quote] Actually, that is kind of my point.....Can Holyrood call a referendum? If not, why is my beloved Wendy talking about one....
I am concerned that any referendum ought to have just two possible answers Yay/Nay.....I don't want to see:
A. Independence
B. Increased Devolved Government
C. Same old Devolved Government
D. Decreased Devolved Government
Honestly, I would trust Wendy to run it (but not any of her Labour cronies...and sadly I think they wouldn't leave well enough alone - and I *really* don't like her brother...) and otherwise Alex Salmond or David Cameron.
GB is looking more and more like a mad prophet and methinks I wouldn't currently trouble him with the care of my Guinea Pig.....
nouveauxscum wrote:
Dave wrote: I have a question... Who has the actual legal power to call an independence referendum? As I understand it only Westminister has the legal right (we're not talking moral, ethical etc.,...just legal). Am I right or wrong? (I may even be missing something on the European front....can folks apply for separation in the European parliament?...I must confess it seems to me the new European superstate has a great deal more legal power than has yet been tried out.....)
Well, both I suppose Dave - if it were not legal for Holyrood to do it your beloved Wendy would not be calling for it. A question, who would you trust to run it?
Actually, that is kind of my point.....Can Holyrood call a referendum? If not, why is my beloved Wendy talking about one....
I am concerned that any referendum ought to have just two possible answers Yay/Nay.....I don't want to see:
A. Independence
B. Increased Devolved Government
C. Same old Devolved Government
D. Decreased Devolved Government
Honestly, I would trust Wendy to run it (but not any of her Labour cronies...and sadly I think they wouldn't leave well enough alone - and I *really* don't like her brother...) and otherwise Alex Salmond or David Cameron.
GB is looking more and more like a mad prophet and methinks I wouldn't currently trouble him with the care of my Guinea Pig.....
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 10:31pm Mon 5 May 08
Wendy Alexander scweemed '' enough of huff, puff and bluff - bring it on."
I think Wendy has been reading the 3 little pigs and the big bad wolf.
Wendy Alexander scweemed '' enough of huff, puff and bluff - bring it on."
I think Wendy has been reading the 3 little pigs and the big bad wolf.
Posted by: nouveauxscum on 10:31pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]Wullie[/bold] wrote:
'' Wendy Alexander yesterday increased the pace on her new-found enthusiasm for a straight yes or no independence referendum, telling Alex Salmond: "Enough of huff, puff and bluff - bring it on." Very, very, very, very, very fishy. I smell a rat.[/quote] Course you do Wullie, we all do. It may well turn out that Wendy's survival instinct is greater than her legendary intellect.
Wendy is probably pondering life in independent Scotland.
Every man/woman for themselves in New Labour Scotland.
Wullie wrote:
'' Wendy Alexander yesterday increased the pace on her new-found enthusiasm for a straight yes or no independence referendum, telling Alex Salmond: "Enough of huff, puff and bluff - bring it on." Very, very, very, very, very fishy. I smell a rat.
Course you do Wullie, we all do. It may well turn out that Wendy's survival instinct is greater than her legendary intellect.
Wendy is probably pondering life in independent Scotland.
Every man/woman for themselves in New Labour Scotland.
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 10:33pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote]Alexander turns up heat on Salmond[/quote]
Wendy turned the heat up on Salmond,
To roast him on a spit like a sheep.
But Alex, wrapped double in tin foil,
Had Alexander's gas in a peep.
Alexander turns up heat on Salmond
Wendy turned the heat up on Salmond,
To roast him on a spit like a sheep.
But Alex, wrapped double in tin foil,
Had Alexander's gas in a peep.
Posted by: David B, Larkhall on 10:33pm Mon 5 May 08
The Labour Party may be a joke, but this issue isn't. I don't think it is my interest or maybe even in Scotland's interest to be independent. And this issue will divide our country if theres any real risk of it happening. Wendy is stupid to play with matches.
Tonight I read again about Wallace. It was my old spinster teacher Miss Liddle at primary school in the 1960's who first taught us about him. It ignited a fire in my heart that was never extinguished. But while I came to realise that the Labour crony system was holding my country back, I never really believed that we might be actually be able to Be That Nation Again.
What do these Labour fools want to do? We are in danger of sleepwalking into a free state. Is that what they really want? We are as daft as the Irish, our hearts overrule our heads.
Surely it is corruption, and special legal rules for Labour, and jobs for the boys, and squandering our money we want rid of, not the United Kingdom?
Wendy is so bereft of ideas and ability, please will her party not rid us of this turbulent priestess.
The Labour Party may be a joke, but this issue isn't. I don't think it is my interest or maybe even in Scotland's interest to be independent. And this issue will divide our country if theres any real risk of it happening. Wendy is stupid to play with matches.
Tonight I read again about Wallace. It was my old spinster teacher Miss Liddle at primary school in the 1960's who first taught us about him. It ignited a fire in my heart that was never extinguished. But while I came to realise that the Labour crony system was holding my country back, I never really believed that we might be actually be able to Be That Nation Again.
What do these Labour fools want to do? We are in danger of sleepwalking into a free state. Is that what they really want? We are as daft as the Irish, our hearts overrule our heads.
Surely it is corruption, and special legal rules for Labour, and jobs for the boys, and squandering our money we want rid of, not the United Kingdom?
Wendy is so bereft of ideas and ability, please will her party not rid us of this turbulent priestess.
Posted by: Dave, Away on 10:34pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]Wullie[/bold] wrote:
'' Wendy Alexander yesterday increased the pace on her new-found enthusiasm for a straight yes or no independence referendum, telling Alex Salmond: "Enough of huff, puff and bluff - bring it on." Very, very, very, very, very fishy. I smell a rat.[/quote] Ah, but it is Classic Wendy...I think we know what she was reading the wee bairns the night before (perhaps with "Big, Bad Alex Salmond instead of the Big, Bad Wolf :-) ).
Wullie wrote:
'' Wendy Alexander yesterday increased the pace on her new-found enthusiasm for a straight yes or no independence referendum, telling Alex Salmond: "Enough of huff, puff and bluff - bring it on." Very, very, very, very, very fishy. I smell a rat.
Ah, but it is Classic Wendy...I think we know what she was reading the wee bairns the night before (perhaps with "Big, Bad Alex Salmond instead of the Big, Bad Wolf :-) ).
Posted by: nouveauxscum, Sett on 10:36pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]Dave[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]nouveauxscum[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Dave[/bold] wrote: I have a question... Who has the actual legal power to call an independence referendum? As I understand it only Westminister has the legal right (we're not talking moral, ethical etc.,...just legal). Am I right or wrong? (I may even be missing something on the European front....can folks apply for separation in the European parliament?...I must confess it seems to me the new European superstate has a great deal more legal power than has yet been tried out.....)[/quote] Well, both I suppose Dave - if it were not legal for Holyrood to do it your beloved Wendy would not be calling for it. A question, who would you trust to run it? [/quote] Actually, that is kind of my point.....Can Holyrood call a referendum? If not, why is my beloved Wendy talking about one.... I am concerned that any referendum ought to have just two possible answers Yay/Nay.....I don't want to see: A. Independence B. Increased Devolved Government C. Same old Devolved Government D. Decreased Devolved Government Honestly, I would trust Wendy to run it (but not any of her Labour cronies...and sadly I think they wouldn't leave well enough alone - and I *really* don't like her brother...) and otherwise Alex Salmond or David Cameron. GB is looking more and more like a mad prophet and methinks I wouldn't currently trouble him with the care of my Guinea Pig.....[/quote] Eh..yes and if your beloved gets her way(madness for unionists), yes.
lol
Wendy for Queen
Dave wrote:
nouveauxscum wrote: Dave wrote: I have a question... Who has the actual legal power to call an independence referendum? As I understand it only Westminister has the legal right (we're not talking moral, ethical etc.,...just legal). Am I right or wrong? (I may even be missing something on the European front....can folks apply for separation in the European parliament?...I must confess it seems to me the new European superstate has a great deal more legal power than has yet been tried out.....)
Well, both I suppose Dave - if it were not legal for Holyrood to do it your beloved Wendy would not be calling for it. A question, who would you trust to run it?
Actually, that is kind of my point.....Can Holyrood call a referendum? If not, why is my beloved Wendy talking about one.... I am concerned that any referendum ought to have just two possible answers Yay/Nay.....I don't want to see: A. Independence B. Increased Devolved Government C. Same old Devolved Government D. Decreased Devolved Government Honestly, I would trust Wendy to run it (but not any of her Labour cronies...and sadly I think they wouldn't leave well enough alone - and I *really* don't like her brother...) and otherwise Alex Salmond or David Cameron. GB is looking more and more like a mad prophet and methinks I wouldn't currently trouble him with the care of my Guinea Pig.....
Eh..yes and if your beloved gets her way(madness for unionists), yes.
lol
Wendy for Queen
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 10:36pm Mon 5 May 08
Is there any part of Wendy Alexander's intellect, personality, politics, policies, demeanour, ethics, scruples, honesty, oratory skills, physical aspects, dress sense, and voice we have yet to criticise?
Coz I've got my pencil sharpend.
Is there any part of Wendy Alexander's intellect, personality, politics, policies, demeanour, ethics, scruples, honesty, oratory skills, physical aspects, dress sense, and voice we have yet to criticise?
Coz I've got my pencil sharpend.
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 10:38pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]Kadok[/bold] wrote:
Times Online (Uk News, Scotland Section) is reporting that Wendy did this off her own bat without approval and has 'bounced' the party into a position they do not support. The cac is hitting the proverbial in the Labour Party. She has no authority to have done this.[/quote]
Something really bad smelling just hit the fan (angus macleod)
Kadok wrote:
Times Online (Uk News, Scotland Section) is reporting that Wendy did this off her own bat without approval and has 'bounced' the party into a position they do not support. The cac is hitting the proverbial in the Labour Party. She has no authority to have done this.
Something really bad smelling just hit the fan (angus macleod)
Posted by: Karin, glasgae. on 10:38pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]Kadok[/bold] wrote:
Times Online (Uk News, Scotland Section) is reporting that Wendy did this off her own bat without approval and has 'bounced' the party into a position they do not support. The cac is hitting the proverbial in the Labour Party. She has no authority to have done this.[/quote] any chance of a link?
Kadok wrote:
Times Online (Uk News, Scotland Section) is reporting that Wendy did this off her own bat without approval and has 'bounced' the party into a position they do not support. The cac is hitting the proverbial in the Labour Party. She has no authority to have done this.
any chance of a link?
Posted by: Im no really here, but over there on 10:40pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote]David B, Larkhall on 10:33pm
Wendy is so bereft of ideas and ability, please will her party not rid us of this turbulent priestess.[/quote] They will soon enough, just about 2 seconds after Brown gets the heave.
How much does Wendy pay her research staff that she always gets it wrong? The SNP Manifesto is clear on the issue of a Referendum. Can't wait for FMQ and for Nicola to tear her another ****.
David B, Larkhall on 10:33pm
Wendy is so bereft of ideas and ability, please will her party not rid us of this turbulent priestess.
They will soon enough, just about 2 seconds after Brown gets the heave.
How much does Wendy pay her research staff that she always gets it wrong? The SNP Manifesto is clear on the issue of a Referendum. Can't wait for FMQ and for Nicola to tear her another ****.
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 10:41pm Mon 5 May 08
So it's official, Alexander's spokesman
[quote]A tipping point has been reached and it is now clear that the General Election will not take place for some time. So there is a window of opportunity in 2009 and it is not in [italic]Scotland's[/italic] interests to delay.[/quote]
Scottish Labour Dances to Westministers Flute band.
Weasel words if ever I read them, the Scottish public will destroy Wendy Alexander for this ill mannered and knee jerk move.
So it's official, Alexander's spokesman
A tipping point has been reached and it is now clear that the General Election will not take place for some time. So there is a window of opportunity in 2009 and it is not in Scotland's interests to delay.
Scottish Labour Dances to Westministers Flute band.
Weasel words if ever I read them, the Scottish public will destroy Wendy Alexander for this ill mannered and knee jerk move.
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 10:41pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]Karin[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Kadok[/bold] wrote:
Times Online (Uk News, Scotland Section) is reporting that Wendy did this off her own bat without approval and has 'bounced' the party into a position they do not support. The cac is hitting the proverbial in the Labour Party. She has no authority to have done this.[/quote] any chance of a link?[/quote] http://www.timesonli
ne.co.uk/tol/news/ar
ticle3877148.ece
Karin wrote:
Kadok wrote:
Times Online (Uk News, Scotland Section) is reporting that Wendy did this off her own bat without approval and has 'bounced' the party into a position they do not support. The cac is hitting the proverbial in the Labour Party. She has no authority to have done this.
any chance of a link?
http://www.timesonli
ne.co.uk/tol/news/ar
ticle3877148.ece
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 10:42pm Mon 5 May 08
Saw Wendy, the embarrasisng wee bairn on Chanel 4 news. It really is way passed her bedtime. She should be in her cot eating a rusk.
Saw Wendy, the embarrasisng wee bairn on Chanel 4 news. It really is way passed her bedtime. She should be in her cot eating a rusk.
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 10:43pm Mon 5 May 08
One senior Labour MP said that at the meeting at Westminster tonight it would be interesting to discover how many of them had been asked for their opinion on the change of tack.
He added
[quote]“Wendy forgets that she is not the leader of Scottish Labour. Gordon Brown is. She is only the leader of the Labour MSPs at Holyrood.
“This decision is an indication of her desperation given her own poll ratings. It is almost as if we are always tail-ending and following Salmond. Surely there are more important issues than this for Labour. Who exactly has she consulted on this?”[/quote]
[italic]Base to Wendy..... please come in, over[/italic]
One senior Labour MP said that at the meeting at Westminster tonight it would be interesting to discover how many of them had been asked for their opinion on the change of tack.
He added
“Wendy forgets that she is not the leader of Scottish Labour. Gordon Brown is. She is only the leader of the Labour MSPs at Holyrood.
“This decision is an indication of her desperation given her own poll ratings. It is almost as if we are always tail-ending and following Salmond. Surely there are more important issues than this for Labour. Who exactly has she consulted on this?”
Base to Wendy..... please come in, over Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 10:45pm Mon 5 May 08
One of her own MSPs at Holyrood described the timing of the referendum disclosure as [bold]“unfortunate”.[/bold]
He added:
[quote]“One of the problems for her here is that we have a process for discussion within the party. [bold]She seems to be launching policy on the hoof.[/bold] ”[/quote]
Base to Wendy..... please come in, over
Mayday Mayday, we've got a red hawk down!
One of her own MSPs at Holyrood described the timing of the referendum disclosure as
“unfortunate”.
He added:
“One of the problems for her here is that we have a process for discussion within the party. She seems to be launching policy on the hoof. ”
Base to Wendy..... please come in, over
Mayday Mayday, we've got a red hawk down!
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 10:45pm Mon 5 May 08
One of her own MSPs at Holyrood described the timing of the referendum disclosure as [bold]“unfortunate”.[/bold]
He added:
[quote]“One of the problems for her here is that we have a process for discussion within the party. [bold]She seems to be launching policy on the hoof.[/bold] ”[/quote]
Base to Wendy..... please come in, over
Mayday Mayday, we've got a red hawk down!
One of her own MSPs at Holyrood described the timing of the referendum disclosure as
“unfortunate”.
He added:
“One of the problems for her here is that we have a process for discussion within the party. She seems to be launching policy on the hoof. ”
Base to Wendy..... please come in, over
Mayday Mayday, we've got a red hawk down!
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 10:50pm Mon 5 May 08
Charlie Whelan, the former spin doctor for Gordon Brown and now political officer of the Unite trades union, is trying to put some steel into Labour's operation in Scotland.
He had meetings with both Ms Alexander and her front bench team this week.
Unite sponsors around 20 MSPs at Holyrood and apparently has a significant election "war-chest" ........
The very same Unite Union that held out on pension talks at Grangemouth....
Fishy
Charlie Whelan, the former spin doctor for Gordon Brown and now political officer of the Unite trades union, is trying to put some steel into Labour's operation in Scotland.
He had meetings with both Ms Alexander and her front bench team this week.
Unite sponsors around 20 MSPs at Holyrood and apparently has a significant election "war-chest" ........
The very same Unite Union that held out on pension talks at Grangemouth....
Fishy
Posted by: tris, scotland on 10:50pm Mon 5 May 08
In the end a referendum has always been inevitable.
A referendum in 2011, after 4 years of SNP governance of Scotland FOR Scotland, and after a year of Conservative UK government under Dave Eton College Cameron...... with the possibility of Barnet being cut, and Scotland at the bottom of the Tories' "to do" list (note that one of Boris's policies, approved by Dave, is that Londoners will stop subsidising Scotland!)....... will almost certainly result in Independence.
Labour will want to try to have the referendum now, before we are all convinced that SNP government is good for us, and that Tory government is very bad.
But Alex said after 4 years of government.... and after 4 years of government it will be. 2011. Can't wait.
I've never been an activist, I'm not even a member....but I will work night and day so that this referendum gives us freedom from one of the worst regimes in Europe.
(Sorry for the garbled sentence above....)
In the end a referendum has always been inevitable.
A referendum in 2011, after 4 years of SNP governance of Scotland FOR Scotland, and after a year of Conservative UK government under Dave Eton College Cameron...... with the possibility of Barnet being cut, and Scotland at the bottom of the Tories' "to do" list (note that one of Boris's policies, approved by Dave, is that Londoners will stop subsidising Scotland!)....... will almost certainly result in Independence.
Labour will want to try to have the referendum now, before we are all convinced that SNP government is good for us, and that Tory government is very bad.
But Alex said after 4 years of government.... and after 4 years of government it will be. 2011. Can't wait.
I've never been an activist, I'm not even a member....but I will work night and day so that this referendum gives us freedom from one of the worst regimes in Europe.
(Sorry for the garbled sentence above....)
Posted by: Karin, glasgae. on 10:55pm Mon 5 May 08
http://www.timesonli
ne.co.uk/tol/news/ar
ticle3877156.ece
like this one too.
http://www.timesonli
ne.co.uk/tol/news/ar
ticle3877156.ece
like this one too.
Posted by: Tired of excuses, Galashiels on 10:57pm Mon 5 May 08
That is not turning up the heat, it is stating the bleeding obvious.
The SNP will hold a referndum when it suits them Wendy , it has always been their aim to do so.
Pitiful what the "enormous" intellect can come up with these days.
Go back to bed Wendy maybe tomorrow it will make sense.
That is not turning up the heat, it is stating the bleeding obvious.
The SNP will hold a referndum when it suits them Wendy , it has always been their aim to do so.
Pitiful what the "enormous" intellect can come up with these days.
Go back to bed Wendy maybe tomorrow it will make sense.
Posted by: DougtheDug on 10:58pm Mon 5 May 08
Kadok, West End on 10:30pm today
If Wendy did do this off her own bat then she really is finished. She's got delusions of grandeur and she thinks that she is someone important in the Labour party, not just a lowly MSP.
If this was done without central authority then the slap-down should have been done immediately. As it is it has been allowed to run and run.
The Labour party is disintegrating as we watch.
The question is what's the hurry for a referendum? It cuts the ground right out from under the Calman Commission but if she wants a multi-option ballot paper the sole purpose of the Calman Commission will be to become the generator of the third option rather than a scam to avoid talking about independence.
Nicol and Annabel would probably pull the plug on it for that reason alone.
What is Wendy's strategy and how long is it going to take before the British Labour party comes hunting her. Maybe Gordon's in on it and in his usual fashion is keeping in the background so the whole thing becomes deniable.
Interesting times.
The link to the article is:
http://www.timesonli
ne.co.uk/tol/news/ar
ticle3877148.ece
Kadok, West End on 10:30pm today
If Wendy did do this off her own bat then she really is finished. She's got delusions of grandeur and she thinks that she is someone important in the Labour party, not just a lowly MSP.
If this was done without central authority then the slap-down should have been done immediately. As it is it has been allowed to run and run.
The Labour party is disintegrating as we watch.
The question is what's the hurry for a referendum? It cuts the ground right out from under the Calman Commission but if she wants a multi-option ballot paper the sole purpose of the Calman Commission will be to become the generator of the third option rather than a scam to avoid talking about independence.
Nicol and Annabel would probably pull the plug on it for that reason alone.
What is Wendy's strategy and how long is it going to take before the British Labour party comes hunting her. Maybe Gordon's in on it and in his usual fashion is keeping in the background so the whole thing becomes deniable.
Interesting times.
The link to the article is:
http://www.timesonli
ne.co.uk/tol/news/ar
ticle3877148.ece
Posted by: ratzo on 10:59pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote]like this one too.[/quote]
- Karin
Yes its clear that Angus Macleod is telling Labour to dump her.
like this one too.
- Karin
Yes its clear that Angus Macleod is telling Labour to dump her.
Posted by: Kadok, West End on 11:02pm Mon 5 May 08
It appears that despite the best efforts of various journalists no senior Labour figures have backed her position.
She's finished but she's taking Scottish Labour, her wee brother and Nicol Stephen with her.
It appears that despite the best efforts of various journalists no senior Labour figures have backed her position.
She's finished but she's taking Scottish Labour, her wee brother and Nicol Stephen with her.
Posted by: Karin, glasgae. on 11:03pm Mon 5 May 08
and thats why wendy said it and not gordon. and why she probably looked like a rabbit in the headlights on C4.
gordon probably shoved her in there and told her to get on with it and if everyone had said great wendy he would have said actually it was my idea now he gets to say yes naughty wendy.
and thats why wendy said it and not gordon. and why she probably looked like a rabbit in the headlights on C4.
gordon probably shoved her in there and told her to get on with it and if everyone had said great wendy he would have said actually it was my idea now he gets to say yes naughty wendy.
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 11:03pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]Karin[/bold] wrote:
http://www.timesonli
ne.co.uk/tol/news/ar
ticle3877156.ece
like this one too. [/quote]
Angus is saying with no uncertainty to dump Wendy Alexander
His wishful thinking is that she was talking about a calman commission questions but that's nto what she said - she clearly stated that she wanted a straight yes or no question to independence that will likely come (pending starting the bill process in 2009) at the very earliest in 2010, just prior to a General Election?
Bring it on Indeed!
CRY HAVOC! AND LET SLIP THE DOGS OF WAR!
Karin wrote:
http://www.timesonli
ne.co.uk/tol/news/ar
ticle3877156.ece
like this one too.
Angus is saying with no uncertainty to dump Wendy Alexander
His wishful thinking is that she was talking about a calman commission questions but that's nto what she said - she clearly stated that she wanted a straight yes or no question to independence that will likely come (pending starting the bill process in 2009) at the very earliest in 2010, just prior to a General Election?
Bring it on Indeed!
CRY HAVOC! AND LET SLIP THE DOGS OF WAR!
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 11:03pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote]She should be in her cot eating a rusk.[/quote] [quote]Scottish Labour Dances to Westministers Flute band.[/quote] [quote]Mayday Mayday, we've got a red hawk down![/quote] [quote]Something really bad smelling just hit the fan[/quote] [quote]I think we know what she was reading the wee bairns the night before[/quote] [quote]A party is melting away faster than a rolo on a radiator.[/quote] [quote]The cac is hitting the proverbial in the Labour Party.[/quote] [quote] it's like having a ringside seat at the circus.[/quote] [quote] Around the rocks, the rugged rascal ran.[/quote] Guys, nothing personal, but I'm getting [italic]really[/italic] confused ...
She should be in her cot eating a rusk.
Scottish Labour Dances to Westministers Flute band.
Mayday Mayday, we've got a red hawk down!
Something really bad smelling just hit the fan
I think we know what she was reading the wee bairns the night before
A party is melting away faster than a rolo on a radiator.
The cac is hitting the proverbial in the Labour Party.
it's like having a ringside seat at the circus.
Around the rocks, the rugged rascal ran.
Guys, nothing personal, but I'm getting
really confused ...
Posted by: Im no really here, but over there on 11:05pm Mon 5 May 08
As someone posted in the Sunday Herald. The SNP cry in 2011 will be "who is best suited to defend Scotland from the Anglocentric Tories". There is only one political party in Scotland whose SOLE interest is Scotland. Alexanders own spokesperson has just said the reason for this u-turn is because the General Election won't be until as late as possible. Wendy herself said that she has held "Tactical Discussions" - so this call has **** All to do with "the best interests of Scotland", but more to try and sustain the snouts in the trough at Westminster.
In the Times article I see that one of her MSP's is complaining that none of them were consulted. He obviously believes that Broon would consult HIM and LISTEN to HIM. This MSP has obvious delusions of grandeur. He probably even believes Broon knows his name.
As someone posted in the Sunday Herald. The SNP cry in 2011 will be "who is best suited to defend Scotland from the Anglocentric Tories". There is only one political party in Scotland whose SOLE interest is Scotland. Alexanders own spokesperson has just said the reason for this u-turn is because the General Election won't be until as late as possible. Wendy herself said that she has held "Tactical Discussions" - so this call has **** All to do with "the best interests of Scotland", but more to try and sustain the snouts in the trough at Westminster.
In the Times article I see that one of her MSP's is complaining that none of them were consulted. He obviously believes that Broon would consult HIM and LISTEN to HIM. This MSP has obvious delusions of grandeur. He probably even believes Broon knows his name.
Posted by: Kadok, West End on 11:06pm Mon 5 May 08
Nail on the head Karin. Gordon's behind this but he'll now let the Labour dogs rip her to pieces.
Nail on the head Karin. Gordon's behind this but he'll now let the Labour dogs rip her to pieces.
Posted by: soloman, Stirling on 11:08pm Mon 5 May 08
Last week she was accused of not being economical with the truth, so this week she goes out all guns blazing to show the world how good she is at this particular skill!
Last week she was accused of not being economical with the truth, so this week she goes out all guns blazing to show the world how good she is at this particular skill!
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 11:08pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]Los Angeles[/bold] wrote:
[quote]She should be in her cot eating a rusk.[/quote] [quote]Scottish Labour Dances to Westministers Flute band.[/quote] [quote]Mayday Mayday, we've got a red hawk down![/quote] [quote]Something really bad smelling just hit the fan[/quote] [quote]I think we know what she was reading the wee bairns the night before[/quote] [quote]A party is melting away faster than a rolo on a radiator.[/quote] [quote]The cac is hitting the proverbial in the Labour Party.[/quote] [quote] it's like having a ringside seat at the circus.[/quote] [quote] Around the rocks, the rugged rascal ran.[/quote] Guys, nothing personal, but I'm getting [italic]really[/italic] confused ...[/quote] ha ha ha ha
Los Angeles wrote:
She should be in her cot eating a rusk.
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