Highest ratings for SNP after year in power
The Scottish National Party is marking the first anniversary of its election to power today, as it hits 45% in an opinion poll - its highest-ever rating and a stunning 14 points ahead of Labour.
But that support level, for the Holyrood constituency vote, is not matched by Scots' intentions for the next Westminster election where Labour's support is holding up - at 39%, it is eight points ahead of the SNP.
The findings, from a TNS System Three survey of 1086 voters from April 26 to 29, showed Westminster voting intentions registered 17% for Conservatives, far below the 44% secured yesterday in council elections in England and Wales. LibDems were on a poor 10%, less than half of their Westminster turnout at the 2005 ballot.
The Holyrood picture was different from Westminster, where First Minister Alex Salmond has set his party a target of gaining 14 seats out of 59, on top of the six it holds. The poll showed the SNP on 45% of the constituency vote, with Labour on 31%, Tories on 12% and LibDems on 11%.
On the regional list vote, the SNP lead was almost as comfortable, at 41% and 12 points ahead of Labour, while Tories and LibDems were each on 12%. The Greens attracted 4%; Socialists and Solidarity polled only 1%.
Another poll, by YouGov published earlier this week,
registered 36% support for
the SNP on the Holyrood
constituency vote, with Labour on 31%, LibDems on 15% and Tories on 13%. On the regional vote, YouGov's internet sample showed the SNP on 37%, Labour on 28%, LibDems and Tories on 13%. For Westminster intentions, Labour had 34%, four points ahead of the SNP, with Tories on 17% and LibDems on 14%. The latest rating is a boost for the SNP as it marks a year since its election breakthrough. Only once since the advent of devolution have Nationalists registered above 40%. In September 2000, following their national conference, they peaked at 42% before slipping back. At last year's Holyrood election, Labour won 33% of the constituency votes and 31% of regional ballots.
SNP deputy leader Nicola Sturgeon said: "A year after the historic elections, and as Labour disintegrates, the growing SNP lead shows that the honeymoon continues on the back of solid policy delivery."
Chris Eynon of System Three said: "At 45%, support on the constituency vote matches the highest achieved by Labour at their peak on only one occasion in five years of monthly System Three polls for The Herald from 1999 to 2003, and it exceeds anything recorded by the SNP over the period.
"The fact Labour support is holding up on the Westminster vote is interesting in highlighting the number of potential Labour voters switching their allegiance, either disaffected by Labour's poor showing in Scotland or won over by the SNP performance."
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Posted by: Morag, Peeblesshire on 12:11am Sat 3 May 08
I wonder how the real probability of the Tories winning in Westminster will affect the dynamic?
For decades, Labour have succeeded with a plea to their voters not to desert them, because they needed all their votes to get Maggie out/get Major out/keep {insert name of current leader} out. Even though it was often glaringly obvious that even a 50% vote or a 100% vote for Labour in Scotland would be insufficient to achieve that.
Result? In 1983, and 1987, and 1992, we got the Tories. We got Maggie, and all that that entailed.
The idea that the one party that really could protect Scotland in the wildly imbalanced Westminster arithmetic was the SNP never really penetrated, unfortunately.
Will the voters figure it out next time?
I wonder how the real probability of the Tories winning in Westminster will affect the dynamic?
For decades, Labour have succeeded with a plea to their voters not to desert them, because they needed all their votes to get Maggie out/get Major out/keep {insert name of current leader} out. Even though it was often glaringly obvious that even a 50% vote or a 100% vote for Labour in Scotland would be insufficient to achieve that.
Result? In 1983, and 1987, and 1992, we got the Tories. We got Maggie, and all that that entailed.
The idea that the one party that really could protect Scotland in the wildly imbalanced Westminster arithmetic was the SNP never really penetrated, unfortunately.
Will the voters figure it out next time?
Posted by: doonhamer on 12:18am Sat 3 May 08
at 45% in the constituency vote, the SNP would win 53 first past the post seats, Labour less than 15. Most of the Labour constituency heavyweights would lose their seats included Wendy, Jackie and Andy. Better change that policy to allow MSP's to run in both constituency and lists.
at 45% in the constituency vote, the SNP would win 53 first past the post seats, Labour less than 15. Most of the Labour constituency heavyweights would lose their seats included Wendy, Jackie and Andy. Better change that policy to allow MSP's to run in both constituency and lists.
Posted by: Wallace, Perth on 12:25am Sat 3 May 08
Yes Morag, many Labour voters are still brainwashed into accepting the lie that an SNP vote in the Westminster elections is a wasted vote. The thing is, Labour can't now get away with peddling the same scaremongering lies in the Holyrood elections, where the Scottish electorate can see the tangible proof of the success of an SNP government which puts the interests of the Scottish people first.
Yes Morag, many Labour voters are still brainwashed into accepting the lie that an SNP vote in the Westminster elections is a wasted vote. The thing is, Labour can't now get away with peddling the same scaremongering lies in the Holyrood elections, where the Scottish electorate can see the tangible proof of the success of an SNP government which puts the interests of the Scottish people first.
Posted by: Wallace, Perth on 12:27am Sat 3 May 08
Doonhamer, I trust you weren't being "fattist" when you included Big Jackie in your named Labour heavyweights? lol.
Doonhamer, I trust you weren't being "fattist" when you included Big Jackie in your named Labour heavyweights? lol.
Posted by: doonhamer on 12:37am Sat 3 May 08
never... not even a National Fattist
I will leave it to Zebedee's Association of NuLab Unionist --Parliamentary Fattists (ZANU-PF), North Britain Branch to explain Jackie's behaivours.
never... not even a National Fattist
I will leave it to Zebedee's Association of NuLab Unionist --Parliamentary Fattists (ZANU-PF), North Britain Branch to explain Jackie's behaivours.
Posted by: Ronald, Glasgow on 12:42am Sat 3 May 08
That poor wee NEW-LABOUR rat, Herr Dougie Fraser couldn't bring
himself to write this piece. Life must be hell for a NEW - LABOUR
hack, having to support such a disgusting rable !
That poor wee NEW-LABOUR rat, Herr Dougie Fraser couldn't bring
himself to write this piece. Life must be hell for a NEW - LABOUR
hack, having to support such a disgusting rable !
Posted by: Big Eye, Paisley on 12:49am Sat 3 May 08
Scots will hopefully not repeat the mistakes of the past and will not waste their votes by supporting Labour in the Westminster elections.
That tactic was used repeatedly during the late eighties and nineties and only delivered the feeble fifty and the destruction of Scotland's manufacturing base.
Keep the faith...vote SNP
Scots will hopefully not repeat the mistakes of the past and will not waste their votes by supporting Labour in the Westminster elections.
That tactic was used repeatedly during the late eighties and nineties and only delivered the feeble fifty and the destruction of Scotland's manufacturing base.
Keep the faith...vote SNP
Posted by: Morag, Peeblesshire on 1:08am Sat 3 May 08
[quote]The Scottish National Party is marking the first anniversary of its election to power today, as it hits 45% in an opinion poll - its highest-ever rating and a stunning 14 points ahead of Labour.[/quote]Excuse me, I just want to savour that.
I'm imagining seeing this snippet as a ghost-of-Mayday-futu
re, as if I were back in 1987 or 1992. Like [italic]The Gap in the Curtain[/italic]. And you have simply no idea how happy this makes me.
The Scottish National Party is marking the first anniversary of its election to power today, as it hits 45% in an opinion poll - its highest-ever rating and a stunning 14 points ahead of Labour.
Excuse me, I just want to savour that.
I'm imagining seeing this snippet as a ghost-of-Mayday-futu
re, as if I were back in 1987 or 1992. Like
The Gap in the Curtain. And you have simply no idea how happy this makes me.
Posted by: frank mcbride, lusitania on 2:23am Sat 3 May 08
Morag.
I share your happiness, but it is clouded by the certain knowledge of the Unionist black box of tricks.
Keep the faith, but keep working. The dogs of war will be let loose.
FOR A FAIRER AND MORE PROSPEROUS SCOTLAND: VOTE SNP.
Morag.
I share your happiness, but it is clouded by the certain knowledge of the Unionist black box of tricks.
Keep the faith, but keep working. The dogs of war will be let loose.
FOR A FAIRER AND MORE PROSPEROUS SCOTLAND: VOTE SNP.
Posted by: David on 2:49am Sat 3 May 08
[bold]Labour's motto. Treat them mean. Keep them lean..............Th
ey have a vested interest in poverty. So do not solve it.[/bold]
Labour's motto. Treat them mean. Keep them lean..............Th
ey have a vested interest in poverty. So do not solve it. Posted by: james, dundee on 2:52am Sat 3 May 08
The former peoples party on their way oot.
Music to the ears.
The former peoples party on their way oot.
Music to the ears.
Posted by: Brian Hill, Edinburgh on 3:04am Sat 3 May 08
The difference between high support for the SNP today and a decade or so ago is that in the past the SNP didn't get thousands of words written about them on a daily basis.
Re Westminster. Faced with a Tory Britain or a left of centre SNP Scotland the mind of voters will be totally focused.
Another two years of Intelligent Government from the SNP will have all but the most bigoted looking closely at voting for them.
Most of those voters will be won over, nothing else makes any sense.
Why would you want to remain in a system which makes you worse off than you are at that point in time?
Why would you want to trade hope and the feel good factor for times of uncertainty and a feeling that things just weren't quite right?
You wouldn't. You feel good, your confidence is high, your personal situation is better than in the past so with self belief you determine that your country should join the rest of the world and become self governing, therefore you vote SNP. Nothing else makes sense.
The difference between high support for the SNP today and a decade or so ago is that in the past the SNP didn't get thousands of words written about them on a daily basis.
Re Westminster. Faced with a Tory Britain or a left of centre SNP Scotland the mind of voters will be totally focused.
Another two years of Intelligent Government from the SNP will have all but the most bigoted looking closely at voting for them.
Most of those voters will be won over, nothing else makes any sense.
Why would you want to remain in a system which makes you worse off than you are at that point in time?
Why would you want to trade hope and the feel good factor for times of uncertainty and a feeling that things just weren't quite right?
You wouldn't. You feel good, your confidence is high, your personal situation is better than in the past so with self belief you determine that your country should join the rest of the world and become self governing, therefore you vote SNP. Nothing else makes sense.
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 3:38am Sat 3 May 08
If some of us jump to the conclusion a poor response to the SNP in a poll must be a Unionist media scam, then logically speaking so must a good one. We can't award laurels [italic]and[/italic] rotten tomatoes depending on our bias.
Stay cool, stay calm, stay away from polls. Talk to people, talk commonsense, talk about a better Scotland so long as we all pull our weight.
If some of us jump to the conclusion a poor response to the SNP in a poll must be a Unionist media scam, then logically speaking so must a good one. We can't award laurels
and rotten tomatoes depending on our bias.
Stay cool, stay calm, stay away from polls. Talk to people, talk commonsense, talk about a better Scotland so long as we all pull our weight.
Posted by: Samoyed, Costa del Menie on 4:33am Sat 3 May 08
The italians say: [italic]italic[/italic] piano, piano, si va lontano[italic]italic[/italic] in english slowly, slowly, one can reach further.
STEADY NOW. Easy does it, we just have to keep going and we'll arrive.
Just a warning to all Nats politicians and spokepersons: NEVER EVER SAY: WE TAKE....WHATEVER....
..VERY SERIOUSLY that's the sure way to get an automatic: OH NO! YOU DON'T!
The italians say: piano, piano, si va lontano in english slowly, slowly, one can reach further.
STEADY NOW. Easy does it, we just have to keep going and we'll arrive.
Just a warning to all Nats politicians and spokepersons: NEVER EVER SAY: WE TAKE....WHATEVER....
..VERY SERIOUSLY that's the sure way to get an automatic: OH NO! YOU DON'T!
Posted by: Donald Anderson, glasgow on 5:11am Sat 3 May 08
The Bendy ones are breaking up.
The Bendy ones are breaking up.
Posted by: pehman, sussex on 5:21am Sat 3 May 08
LA , Good point and good advice
Lets keep the heid and carry on as we have been doing, don't get carried away by this.
LA , Good point and good advice
Lets keep the heid and carry on as we have been doing, don't get carried away by this.
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 5:26am Sat 3 May 08
[quote][bold]Los Angeles[/bold] wrote:
If some of us jump to the conclusion a poor response to the SNP in a poll must be a Unionist media scam, then logically speaking so must a good one. We can't award laurels [italic]and[/italic] rotten tomatoes depending on our bias.
Stay cool, stay calm, stay away from polls. Talk to people, talk commonsense, talk about a better Scotland so long as we all pull our weight.
[/quote]
Agreed, Lets keep the Heid and get on with the reform
It is good news but there is a long way to go until 2011
Los Angeles wrote:
If some of us jump to the conclusion a poor response to the SNP in a poll must be a Unionist media scam, then logically speaking so must a good one. We can't award laurels and rotten tomatoes depending on our bias.
Stay cool, stay calm, stay away from polls. Talk to people, talk commonsense, talk about a better Scotland so long as we all pull our weight.
Agreed, Lets keep the Heid and get on with the reform
It is good news but there is a long way to go until 2011
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 6:01am Sat 3 May 08
Personally I find this all very sad. We had a dream once of a fairer, more equal society. A society that encouraged our folks to contribute to, and improve all our lives. A society based on cooperation rather than competition. A society where our kids could realize their potential, and not be hindered by class or dialect.
We formed a party to realize that dream. A party that now has a Scotsman as PM who has done his best to scrub the Scots from his voice. A man who would have us believe we are not a people - not a nation - merely a region - North Britain. And the dream? Well it was all just a Utopian fantasy don't you know. Meanwhile our elected members line their pockets and look to getting elevated to that house they had pledged to eradicate.
Where is the dream now? It's not gone. Some of us still believe it's possible. Only it will never be realized in North Britain. But in Scotland ...?
Personally I find this all very sad. We had a dream once of a fairer, more equal society. A society that encouraged our folks to contribute to, and improve all our lives. A society based on cooperation rather than competition. A society where our kids could realize their potential, and not be hindered by class or dialect.
We formed a party to realize that dream. A party that now has a Scotsman as PM who has done his best to scrub the Scots from his voice. A man who would have us believe we are not a people - not a nation - merely a region - North Britain. And the dream? Well it was all just a Utopian fantasy don't you know. Meanwhile our elected members line their pockets and look to getting elevated to that house they had pledged to eradicate.
Where is the dream now? It's not gone. Some of us still believe it's possible. Only it will never be realized in North Britain. But in Scotland ...?
Posted by: teamdroid on 6:54am Sat 3 May 08
Again, people seem to be missing the truly bizarre statistic in these polls. No matter how bad Labour seem to perform, no matter how incompetent Wendy is in Opposition and Gordon is in Government, not matter how crooked they all are, 3 out of 10 Scots voters STILL seem to want to vote for them. That's roughly where they were in May 2007.
Incredible. I despair sometimes, I really do.
Again, people seem to be missing the truly bizarre statistic in these polls. No matter how bad Labour seem to perform, no matter how incompetent Wendy is in Opposition and Gordon is in Government, not matter how crooked they all are, 3 out of 10 Scots voters STILL seem to want to vote for them. That's roughly where they were in May 2007.
Incredible. I despair sometimes, I really do.
Posted by: gavin48, Glasgow on 7:17am Sat 3 May 08
[quote][bold]Scunnert[/bold] wrote:
Personally I find this all very sad. We had a dream once of a fairer, more equal society. A society that encouraged our folks to contribute to, and improve all our lives. A society based on cooperation rather than competition. A society where our kids could realize their potential, and not be hindered by class or dialect.
We formed a party to realize that dream. A party that now has a Scotsman as PM who has done his best to scrub the Scots from his voice. A man who would have us believe we are not a people - not a nation - merely a region - North Britain. And the dream? Well it was all just a Utopian fantasy don't you know. Meanwhile our elected members line their pockets and look to getting elevated to that house they had pledged to eradicate.
Where is the dream now? It's not gone. Some of us still believe it's possible. Only it will never be realized in North Britain. But in Scotland ...?[/quote] Well said could not agree more, however I would say it is not a dream, it is a deeply embedded principle, the principle of giving our fellows a helping hand when required. The deeply embedded principle of the common weel.
The voting intentions for Westminster are not a surprise, this has always been the case, where Scottish voters have been able to vote for different parties based on their perception of what is best for Scotland. The challenge for the SNP government is to continue to deliver the same sensible positive policies. Building slowly, building steadily building well, that is what is changing people views, this is the path that will lead to Scotland assuming full responsibility for running its own affairs.
Scunnert wrote:
Personally I find this all very sad. We had a dream once of a fairer, more equal society. A society that encouraged our folks to contribute to, and improve all our lives. A society based on cooperation rather than competition. A society where our kids could realize their potential, and not be hindered by class or dialect.
We formed a party to realize that dream. A party that now has a Scotsman as PM who has done his best to scrub the Scots from his voice. A man who would have us believe we are not a people - not a nation - merely a region - North Britain. And the dream? Well it was all just a Utopian fantasy don't you know. Meanwhile our elected members line their pockets and look to getting elevated to that house they had pledged to eradicate.
Where is the dream now? It's not gone. Some of us still believe it's possible. Only it will never be realized in North Britain. But in Scotland ...?
Well said could not agree more, however I would say it is not a dream, it is a deeply embedded principle, the principle of giving our fellows a helping hand when required. The deeply embedded principle of the common weel.
The voting intentions for Westminster are not a surprise, this has always been the case, where Scottish voters have been able to vote for different parties based on their perception of what is best for Scotland. The challenge for the SNP government is to continue to deliver the same sensible positive policies. Building slowly, building steadily building well, that is what is changing people views, this is the path that will lead to Scotland assuming full responsibility for running its own affairs.
Posted by: Grandpaw, Glasgow on 8:09am Sat 3 May 08
Well it goes without saying, esp after this week's English election results, that the Tories will be in power in 2010.
It is in the interests of the SNP that the tories win. Prior to 1999, we had to do exactly what England told us, but now with our own parliament,and therefore much more clout, the Scottish people are not going to stand for their country being run by middle England.
Then after the GE, Alex will get the referendum. Scotland will say "yes", and independence will happen around 2013.
Well it goes without saying, esp after this week's English election results, that the Tories will be in power in 2010.
It is in the interests of the SNP that the tories win. Prior to 1999, we had to do exactly what England told us, but now with our own parliament,and therefore much more clout, the Scottish people are not going to stand for their country being run by middle England.
Then after the GE, Alex will get the referendum. Scotland will say "yes", and independence will happen around 2013.
Posted by: Free Thinker, North Lanarkshire on 8:11am Sat 3 May 08
[quote][bold]teamdroid[/bold] wrote:
Again, people seem to be missing the truly bizarre statistic in these polls. No matter how bad Labour seem to perform, no matter how incompetent Wendy is in Opposition and Gordon is in Government, not matter how crooked they all are, 3 out of 10 Scots voters STILL seem to want to vote for them. That's roughly where they were in May 2007. Incredible. I despair sometimes, I really do. [/quote] Ahh... In all my digging and research there is now without doubt serious vote-rigging over the last three decades. I read somewhere that voting was coming under Scottish Government? Unless we can bin Kinnock's DRS and 'shady' ballot-box procedures the Establishment will continue their omnipresent manipulation of our nation.
The vicious deeds of Brian Wilson, John Reid, Helen Liddle, George Robertson, Tan Dalyell, Jack McConnell and the Alexander’s amongst others in subverting and damaging Scotland are truly breathtaking. I can’t get my head around how treacherous these individuals have been to the nation of Scotland and its people.
teamdroid wrote:
Again, people seem to be missing the truly bizarre statistic in these polls. No matter how bad Labour seem to perform, no matter how incompetent Wendy is in Opposition and Gordon is in Government, not matter how crooked they all are, 3 out of 10 Scots voters STILL seem to want to vote for them. That's roughly where they were in May 2007. Incredible. I despair sometimes, I really do.
Ahh... In all my digging and research there is now without doubt serious vote-rigging over the last three decades. I read somewhere that voting was coming under Scottish Government? Unless we can bin Kinnock's DRS and 'shady' ballot-box procedures the Establishment will continue their omnipresent manipulation of our nation.
The vicious deeds of Brian Wilson, John Reid, Helen Liddle, George Robertson, Tan Dalyell, Jack McConnell and the Alexander’s amongst others in subverting and damaging Scotland are truly breathtaking. I can’t get my head around how treacherous these individuals have been to the nation of Scotland and its people.
Posted by: fing, glasgow on 8:35am Sat 3 May 08
Opinion polls are fortunately just that. The SNP nappy rashers have stage managed their first year well for the less perceptive majority, and in the process have sickened many who expected more integrity.
Goodness gracious, they're flying high in the face of opposition from Bendy Wendy and Auntie Ananbel.
That, Mr Salmond, is sure some achievement!
Opinion polls are fortunately just that. The SNP nappy rashers have stage managed their first year well for the less perceptive majority, and in the process have sickened many who expected more integrity.
Goodness gracious, they're flying high in the face of opposition from Bendy Wendy and Auntie Ananbel.
That, Mr Salmond, is sure some achievement!
Posted by: Van Helsing - Nat Slayer, Lanarkshire on 8:48am Sat 3 May 08
[quote][bold]fing[/bold] wrote:
Opinion polls are fortunately just that. The SNP nappy rashers have stage managed their first year well for the less perceptive majority, and in the process have sickened many who expected more integrity. Goodness gracious, they're flying high in the face of opposition from Bendy Wendy and Auntie Ananbel. That, Mr Salmond, is sure some achievement![/quote] Good post Fing. Unfortunately the myopic Nats that frequent these boards will only respond with the usual abuse. Well done.
fing wrote:
Opinion polls are fortunately just that. The SNP nappy rashers have stage managed their first year well for the less perceptive majority, and in the process have sickened many who expected more integrity. Goodness gracious, they're flying high in the face of opposition from Bendy Wendy and Auntie Ananbel. That, Mr Salmond, is sure some achievement!
Good post Fing. Unfortunately the myopic Nats that frequent these boards will only respond with the usual abuse. Well done.
Posted by: Stevie, Bo'ness on 8:59am Sat 3 May 08
A labour supporter talking about integrity!
Oh, my sides.
Keep taking the tablets.
The SNP has done more in ONE YEAR of MINORITY government than Labour and the Liberals acheived together in eight.
So yes it is some acheivement. Especially when our Scottish press is more akin to that of North Korea.
A labour supporter talking about integrity!
Oh, my sides.
Keep taking the tablets.
The SNP has done more in ONE YEAR of MINORITY government than Labour and the Liberals acheived together in eight.
So yes it is some acheivement. Especially when our Scottish press is more akin to that of North Korea.
Posted by: Stevie, Bo'ness on 9:06am Sat 3 May 08
"Myopic nats" eh?
Educated, beautiful, oil rich, energy rich Scotland, where voting Labour means pensioners die through lack of affordable heating, and child poverty is amongst the worst in Europe!!
Well done Labour.
Oh and the way you flattened Iraq was just spectacular.
"Myopic nats" eh?
Educated, beautiful, oil rich, energy rich Scotland, where voting Labour means pensioners die through lack of affordable heating, and child poverty is amongst the worst in Europe!!
Well done Labour.
Oh and the way you flattened Iraq was just spectacular.
Posted by: Van Helsing - Nat Slayer, Lanarkshire on 9:37am Sat 3 May 08
[quote][bold]Stevie[/bold] wrote:
"Myopic nats" eh? Educated, beautiful, oil rich, energy rich Scotland, where voting Labour means pensioners die through lack of affordable heating, and child poverty is amongst the worst in Europe!! Well done Labour. Oh and the way you flattened Iraq was just spectacular.[/quote] What has Iraq got to do with the Scottish Parliament? Are you a Saddam supporter? Pity Slimeball Salmond can't get his fat arse over there to visit the Scottish troops he'e so concerned about. 'Beautiful, oil rich, energy rich Scotland'? What has beautiful got to do with anything? Also pity for you lot that the oil and energy belongs to the UK isn't it?
Stevie wrote:
"Myopic nats" eh? Educated, beautiful, oil rich, energy rich Scotland, where voting Labour means pensioners die through lack of affordable heating, and child poverty is amongst the worst in Europe!! Well done Labour. Oh and the way you flattened Iraq was just spectacular.
What has Iraq got to do with the Scottish Parliament? Are you a Saddam supporter? Pity Slimeball Salmond can't get his fat arse over there to visit the Scottish troops he'e so concerned about. 'Beautiful, oil rich, energy rich Scotland'? What has beautiful got to do with anything? Also pity for you lot that the oil and energy belongs to the UK isn't it?
Posted by: Mac, Dundee on 9:46am Sat 3 May 08
This latest poll by TNS System 3 highlights the rogue nature of the YouGov poll for the Telegraph earlier this week.
Also the honeymoon for the SNP is well and truly over. This level of support for the SNP will continue as long as they prove to be fighting Scotland's corner and are competent in government.
We could have many years of SNP governence in Scotland.
As for England, swinging from Labour to Tory and back again will continue to do them no good. Down south they need a new radical politics to replace the inherent conservatism.
This latest poll by TNS System 3 highlights the rogue nature of the YouGov poll for the Telegraph earlier this week.
Also the honeymoon for the SNP is well and truly over. This level of support for the SNP will continue as long as they prove to be fighting Scotland's corner and are competent in government.
We could have many years of SNP governence in Scotland.
As for England, swinging from Labour to Tory and back again will continue to do them no good. Down south they need a new radical politics to replace the inherent conservatism.
Posted by: Toophingers, Bellshill. on 9:52am Sat 3 May 08
[quote][bold]Wallace[/bold] wrote:
Yes Morag, many Labour voters are still brainwashed into accepting the lie that an SNP vote in the Westminster elections is a wasted vote. The thing is, Labour can't now get away with peddling the same scaremongering lies in the Holyrood elections, where the Scottish electorate can see the tangible proof of the success of an SNP government which puts the interests of the Scottish people first.[/quote] Right, Van English, bug squasher, where's your daily post of anti-SNP garbage that today will undoubtedly be an ungrammatical tirade excusing the inexcusable New Lavatory hammering?
Wallace wrote:
Yes Morag, many Labour voters are still brainwashed into accepting the lie that an SNP vote in the Westminster elections is a wasted vote. The thing is, Labour can't now get away with peddling the same scaremongering lies in the Holyrood elections, where the Scottish electorate can see the tangible proof of the success of an SNP government which puts the interests of the Scottish people first.
Right, Van English, bug squasher, where's your daily post of anti-SNP garbage that today will undoubtedly be an ungrammatical tirade excusing the inexcusable New Lavatory hammering?
Posted by: pehman, sussex on 9:53am Sat 3 May 08
Posted by: Van Helsing - Nat Slayer, Lanarkshire on 8:48am today
[quote][bold]fing[/bold] wrote: Opinion polls are fortunately just that. The SNP nappy rashers have stage managed their first year well for the less perceptive majority, and in the process have sickened many who expected more integrity. Goodness gracious, they're flying high in the face of opposition from Bendy Wendy and Auntie Ananbel. That, Mr Salmond, is sure some achievement![/quote] Good post Fing. Unfortunately the myopic Nats that frequent these boards will only respond with the usual abuse. Well done.
fing wrote:
Opinion polls are fortunately just that. The SNP nappy rashers have stage managed their first year well for the less perceptive majority, and in the process have sickened many who expected more integrity. Goodness gracious, they're flying high in the face of opposition from Bendy Wendy and Auntie Ananbel. That, Mr Salmond, is sure some achievement!
Good post Fing. Unfortunately the myopic Nats that frequent these boards will only respond with the usual abuse. Well done.
If you two are so confident, think on this
By the 1st of june 2010 brown will have to call an election, as things stand in labour at the moment - the order sending his troops over the top into battle, will have the same outcome as the order of 1st July 1916 [the Somme]
The carnage in labour ranks will be total ------- and the thinking lab party members already know this---------
Wendy's great plan of handing back powers from Holyrood to an incomming tory gov , surely the most stupid election ploy ever--- will , and you can be certain it will be rejected by the Scots in greater numbers than ever before.
Posted by: Van Helsing - Nat Slayer, Lanarkshire on 8:48am today
fing wrote: Opinion polls are fortunately just that. The SNP nappy rashers have stage managed their first year well for the less perceptive majority, and in the process have sickened many who expected more integrity. Goodness gracious, they're flying high in the face of opposition from Bendy Wendy and Auntie Ananbel. That, Mr Salmond, is sure some achievement!
Good post Fing. Unfortunately the myopic Nats that frequent these boards will only respond with the usual abuse. Well done.
fing wrote:
Opinion polls are fortunately just that. The SNP nappy rashers have stage managed their first year well for the less perceptive majority, and in the process have sickened many who expected more integrity. Goodness gracious, they're flying high in the face of opposition from Bendy Wendy and Auntie Ananbel. That, Mr Salmond, is sure some achievement!
Good post Fing. Unfortunately the myopic Nats that frequent these boards will only respond with the usual abuse. Well done.
If you two are so confident, think on this
By the 1st of june 2010 brown will have to call an election, as things stand in labour at the moment - the order sending his troops over the top into battle, will have the same outcome as the order of 1st July 1916
The carnage in labour ranks will be total ------- and the thinking lab party members already know this---------
Wendy's great plan of handing back powers from Holyrood to an incomming tory gov , surely the most stupid election ploy ever--- will , and you can be certain it will be rejected by the Scots in greater numbers than ever before.
Posted by: Wen D, Inversnecky on 10:00am Sat 3 May 08
Anyone else who was AMAZED at the PRO SNP headlines in yesterdays "hootsmon?"
This, surely, must be the supreme accolade after the SNPs first year in office that their arch enemy, who have sought to undermine them with scurrilous lies and innuendo since the year dot, ARE NOW SAYING THINGS IN THEIR FAVOUR???
Mein Gott! The SNP must be a lot further on in the polls than anyone has previously suspected!
Anyone else who was AMAZED at the PRO SNP headlines in yesterdays "hootsmon?"
This, surely, must be the supreme accolade after the SNPs first year in office that their arch enemy, who have sought to undermine them with scurrilous lies and innuendo since the year dot, ARE NOW SAYING THINGS IN THEIR FAVOUR???
Mein Gott! The SNP must be a lot further on in the polls than anyone has previously suspected!
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 10:01am Sat 3 May 08
Vin Reisling - Nose Picker[quote]What has Iraq got to do with the Scottish Parliament? I'll tell you. The parliament should have been bombed by Bush soon as it was built. Save me all the trouble of posting all this hate and vomit at Scotland day in, day out. I've got better things to do, like beat up an old age pensioner and steal her post office savings book.[/quote]
Vin Reisling - Nose Picker
What has Iraq got to do with the Scottish Parliament? I'll tell you. The parliament should have been bombed by Bush soon as it was built. Save me all the trouble of posting all this hate and vomit at Scotland day in, day out. I've got better things to do, like beat up an old age pensioner and steal her post office savings book.
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 10:08am Sat 3 May 08
[quote]The SNP nappy rashers have stage managed their first year well for the less perceptive majority, and in the process have sickened many who expected more [bold]integrity[/bold] [/quote] 8.43 Fing. (Should that not be "Fang"? Followed immediately by his fawning "pal," Vin Reisling.
Where did you find the work "integrity"?
In a dictionary you were about to burn?
The SNP nappy rashers have stage managed their first year well for the less perceptive majority, and in the process have sickened many who expected more integrity
8.43 Fing. (Should that not be "Fang"? Followed immediately by his fawning "pal," Vin Reisling.
Where did you find the work "integrity"?
In a dictionary you were about to burn?
Posted by: The Scudder, Scotland on 10:26am Sat 3 May 08
The Scottish National Party is marking the first anniversary of its election to power today, as it hits 45% in an opinion poll - its highest-ever rating and a stunning 14 points ahead of Labour.
I'm savouring it too Morag ,.,. Lovely intit ?
FOR A FAIRER AND MORE PROSPEROUS SCOTLAND: VOTE SNP.
Well said Frank
The former people's party on their way oot. Music to the ears.
It sure is, real music James
And Stevie says ,,The SNP has done more in ONE YEAR of MINORITY government than Labour and the Liberals acheived together in eight.
How right you are my son ,,
Finally I say :-
Keep on doing it to them Mr. Alex Salmond and we'll vote you in as our next King of Scotland !
The Scottish National Party is marking the first anniversary of its election to power today, as it hits 45% in an opinion poll - its highest-ever rating and a stunning 14 points ahead of Labour.
I'm savouring it too Morag ,.,. Lovely intit ?
FOR A FAIRER AND MORE PROSPEROUS SCOTLAND: VOTE SNP.
Well said Frank
The former people's party on their way oot. Music to the ears.
It sure is, real music James
And Stevie says ,,The SNP has done more in ONE YEAR of MINORITY government than Labour and the Liberals acheived together in eight.
How right you are my son ,,
Finally I say :-
Keep on doing it to them Mr. Alex Salmond and we'll vote you in as our next King of Scotland !
Posted by: Astonished, Inverclyde on 10:38am Sat 3 May 08
Please leave off the numpties - They are in real pain. The results were much worse than expected.
Some numpties will be able to help the millionaire Foulkes count his money,some help Charlie Gordon maintain his flats and some may try to keep the electoral commission out of jail - But what are the rest going to do ?
Polls are fickle and pochled regularly, the present feeling in Scotland isn't. We must keep up the pressure on the media for unbiased reporting - Hopefully leopards will change their spots.
I am looking forward to a fairer and stronger Scotland.
Please leave off the numpties - They are in real pain. The results were much worse than expected.
Some numpties will be able to help the millionaire Foulkes count his money,some help Charlie Gordon maintain his flats and some may try to keep the electoral commission out of jail - But what are the rest going to do ?
Polls are fickle and pochled regularly, the present feeling in Scotland isn't. We must keep up the pressure on the media for unbiased reporting - Hopefully leopards will change their spots.
I am looking forward to a fairer and stronger Scotland.
Posted by: Toophingers, Bellshill. on 10:42am Sat 3 May 08
Just noticed, gnat basher. Helsing is an anagram of English.
Coincidence?
Just noticed, gnat basher. Helsing is an anagram of English.
Coincidence?
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 11:16am Sat 3 May 08
[quote][bold]fing[/bold] wrote:
Opinion polls are fortunately just that. The SNP nappy rashers have stage managed their first year well for the less perceptive majority, and in the process have sickened many who expected more integrity.
Goodness gracious, they're flying high in the face of opposition from Bendy Wendy and Auntie Ananbel.
That, Mr Salmond, is sure some achievement![/quote]
[bold]ha ha ha ha[/bold] 'stage managed'..... 'more integrity'
Dear oh dear, is this the level that Labour is at, partial compliments and pseudo cryptic analysis.
Having the BNP's resident forum 'droll' Van English nae Sayer support yer post must have you squirming, the BNP in league with Labour, well I never......
Vote SNP at the westminister elections to have a strong voice against the new Toryism sweeping England!
fing wrote:
Opinion polls are fortunately just that. The SNP nappy rashers have stage managed their first year well for the less perceptive majority, and in the process have sickened many who expected more integrity.
Goodness gracious, they're flying high in the face of opposition from Bendy Wendy and Auntie Ananbel.
That, Mr Salmond, is sure some achievement!
ha ha ha ha 'stage managed'..... 'more integrity'
Dear oh dear, is this the level that Labour is at, partial compliments and pseudo cryptic analysis.
Having the BNP's resident forum 'droll' Van English nae Sayer support yer post must have you squirming, the BNP in league with Labour, well I never......
Vote SNP at the westminister elections to have a strong voice against the new Toryism sweeping England!
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 11:20am Sat 3 May 08
[quote][bold]Van Helsing - Nat Slayer[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Stevie[/bold] wrote:
"Myopic nats" eh? Educated, beautiful, oil rich, energy rich Scotland, where voting Labour means pensioners die through lack of affordable heating, and child poverty is amongst the worst in Europe!! Well done Labour. Oh and the way you flattened Iraq was just spectacular.[/quote] What has Iraq got to do with the Scottish Parliament? Are you a Saddam supporter? Pity Slimeball Salmond can't get his fat arse over there to visit the Scottish troops he'e so concerned about. 'Beautiful, oil rich, energy rich Scotland'? What has beautiful got to do with anything? Also pity for you lot that the oil and energy belongs to the UK isn't it? [/quote]
Iraq still hurt Van English Nae Sayer?
It hurts the millions of ordinary people in Iraq too, not to mention the 100k that are estimated to have lost their life since the 'shock & awe invasion'
Your desperate attempts to smear the Scottish PARLIAMENT are hilarious..... never mind though, your favoured party the BNP got a seat on the London Assembly......
Shameful Shameful Shameful
Van Helsing - Nat Slayer wrote:
Stevie wrote:
"Myopic nats" eh? Educated, beautiful, oil rich, energy rich Scotland, where voting Labour means pensioners die through lack of affordable heating, and child poverty is amongst the worst in Europe!! Well done Labour. Oh and the way you flattened Iraq was just spectacular.
What has Iraq got to do with the Scottish Parliament? Are you a Saddam supporter? Pity Slimeball Salmond can't get his fat arse over there to visit the Scottish troops he'e so concerned about. 'Beautiful, oil rich, energy rich Scotland'? What has beautiful got to do with anything? Also pity for you lot that the oil and energy belongs to the UK isn't it?
Iraq still hurt Van English Nae Sayer?
It hurts the millions of ordinary people in Iraq too, not to mention the 100k that are estimated to have lost their life since the 'shock & awe invasion'
Your desperate attempts to smear the Scottish PARLIAMENT are hilarious..... never mind though, your favoured party the BNP got a seat on the London Assembly......
Shameful Shameful Shameful
Posted by: Mrs I P Knightly, Scotland on 11:21am Sat 3 May 08
It would have been interesting if the poll had been undertaken after the E & W local elections and see if the hard fast Labour supporters would still vote for them.
We should not get carried away with this poll. Labour got massacared in the 1968 local election and made a comeback that just failed in 1970. Never trust them the polls or Labour. Frightened cornered cats are the ones to watch.
It would have been interesting if the poll had been undertaken after the E & W local elections and see if the hard fast Labour supporters would still vote for them.
We should not get carried away with this poll. Labour got massacared in the 1968 local election and made a comeback that just failed in 1970. Never trust them the polls or Labour. Frightened cornered cats are the ones to watch.
Posted by: fing, glasgow on 11:27am Sat 3 May 08
Fing is an impartial observer!
Fing is an impartial observer!
Posted by: Duns Scotus, The Borders on 11:39am Sat 3 May 08
[bold]Van Helsing[/bold] @ 8:48 am
[quote]Nats that frequent these boards will only respond with the usual abuse.[/quote]
Then @ 0:37 am
[quote]What has Iraq got to do with the Scottish Parliament? Are you a [bold]Saddam supporter[/bold] ? Pity [bold]Slimeball[/bold] Salmond can't get his [bold]fat arse[/bold] over there to visit the Scottish troops he'e so concerned about. 'Beautiful, oil rich, energy rich Scotland'? What has beautiful got to do with anything? Also pity for you lot that the oil and energy belongs to the UK isn't it?[/quote]
I salute your indefatigable illiteracy!
Van Helsing @ 8:48 am
Nats that frequent these boards will only respond with the usual abuse.
Then @ 0:37 am
What has Iraq got to do with the Scottish Parliament? Are you a Saddam supporter ? Pity Slimeball Salmond can't get his fat arse over there to visit the Scottish troops he'e so concerned about. 'Beautiful, oil rich, energy rich Scotland'? What has beautiful got to do with anything? Also pity for you lot that the oil and energy belongs to the UK isn't it?
I salute your indefatigable illiteracy!
Posted by: fishface, edinburgh on 11:45am Sat 3 May 08
It's all really simple. England has at last had a chance to give Labour a kicking. They have only just started. New Labour was just watered down Tory... they had nothing else to offer.
Iraq, their pathetic public enquiries, the destruction of Northern Rock and their arrogance have totally, totally undone them. I'm not even sure if the decent Labour MSPs can salvage self respect from this. It's a shame they booted out Dennis Cannavan and had no space for serious socialists.
Big changes ahead. Labour may be dead.
It's all really simple. England has at last had a chance to give Labour a kicking. They have only just started. New Labour was just watered down Tory... they had nothing else to offer.
Iraq, their pathetic public enquiries, the destruction of Northern Rock and their arrogance have totally, totally undone them. I'm not even sure if the decent Labour MSPs can salvage self respect from this. It's a shame they booted out Dennis Cannavan and had no space for serious socialists.
Big changes ahead. Labour may be dead.
Posted by: Steve A, Glasgow on 12:17pm Sat 3 May 08
Van Engerlish
See from your posts you cant help being an arsehole never mind son we nats need arseholes like you that we can give a good kicking when we get bored ! Keep posting arsehole WE LOVE IT!
Van Engerlish
See from your posts you cant help being an arsehole never mind son we nats need arseholes like you that we can give a good kicking when we get bored ! Keep posting arsehole WE LOVE IT!
Posted by: Disgusted Dorothy, Glasgow on 1:08pm Sat 3 May 08
An excellent birthday present for the SNP, but a poll is only as good as the questions asked.
Personally the only " poll" I'm enjoying at the moment are those in England , wee Wales and London.
Now that's a poll worthy of the name!!
An excellent birthday present for the SNP, but a poll is only as good as the questions asked.
Personally the only " poll" I'm enjoying at the moment are those in England , wee Wales and London.
Now that's a poll worthy of the name!!
Posted by: yuri, mahoose on 1:40pm Sat 3 May 08
[quote][bold]teamdroid[/bold] wrote:
Again, people seem to be missing the truly bizarre statistic in these polls. No matter how bad Labour seem to perform, no matter how incompetent Wendy is in Opposition and Gordon is in Government, not matter how crooked they all are, 3 out of 10 Scots voters STILL seem to want to vote for them. That's roughly where they were in May 2007. Incredible. I despair sometimes, I really do. [/quote] Fortunately most of the people you mention with this mindset are at a stage in their lives where they will be closer to be investing in a long pine box rather than a new living room three piece suite! I've been heartened by the views of many well informed young people I've met who have seen through and have totally rejected labour,they are the ones that count not the old zombies.
teamdroid wrote:
Again, people seem to be missing the truly bizarre statistic in these polls. No matter how bad Labour seem to perform, no matter how incompetent Wendy is in Opposition and Gordon is in Government, not matter how crooked they all are, 3 out of 10 Scots voters STILL seem to want to vote for them. That's roughly where they were in May 2007. Incredible. I despair sometimes, I really do.
Fortunately most of the people you mention with this mindset are at a stage in their lives where they will be closer to be investing in a long pine box rather than a new living room three piece suite! I've been heartened by the views of many well informed young people I've met who have seen through and have totally rejected labour,they are the ones that count not the old zombies.
Posted by: RogerT, Hamilton on 1:49pm Sat 3 May 08
I note that van Helsing still fails to make any worthy contribution to the debate, indulging merely in mud-slinging.
And fing is an impartial observer?...Please!
I note that van Helsing still fails to make any worthy contribution to the debate, indulging merely in mud-slinging.
And fing is an impartial observer?...Please!
Posted by: Steve A, Glasgow on 2:06pm Sat 3 May 08
FING
Your an impartial fart in a trance!
FING
Your an impartial fart in a trance!
Posted by: awh, Dumfries on 3:01pm Sat 3 May 08
I see most Nats still hate those Scots who dare to vote labour. Noting like a bit of respect for opposing views
I see most Nats still hate those Scots who dare to vote labour. Noting like a bit of respect for opposing views
Posted by: fing, glasgow on 3:02pm Sat 3 May 08
Fing impartially observes some children on an adult forum.
Fing impartially observes some children on an adult forum.
Posted by: Mrs I P Knightly, Scotland on 3:06pm Sat 3 May 08
[quote][bold]awh[/bold] wrote:
I see most Nats still hate those Scots who dare to vote labour. Noting like a bit of respect for opposing views[/quote] why should we [italic][bold]hate[/bold][/italic] them?
awh wrote:
I see most Nats still hate those Scots who dare to vote labour. Noting like a bit of respect for opposing views
why should we
hate them?
Posted by: Free Thinker, North Lanarkshire on 3:14pm Sat 3 May 08
[quote][bold]Astonished[/bold] wrote:
Please leave off the numpties - They are in real pain. The results were much worse than expected. Some numpties will be able to help the millionaire Foulkes count his money,some help Charlie Gordon maintain his flats and some may try to keep the electoral commission out of jail - But what are the rest going to do ? Polls are fickle and pochled regularly, the present feeling in Scotland isn't. We must keep up the pressure on the media for unbiased reporting - Hopefully leopards will change their spots. I am looking forward to a fairer and stronger Scotland.[/quote] Newspapers, TV and Radio are the Establishment magicians. There are now two distinct worlds, theirs and the one in which we live. Some digging into who owns and more importantly controls the media in Scotland is interesting.
A quick look at Newsquest, the group that owns the Herald with nearly 300 titles and a claimed weekly readership of 13Million… Here are some of their papers…The Bolton News, Bradford Telegraph, Colchester Gazette, Daily Echo, Bournemouth, Dorset Echo, Echo (Essex), Evening Times, Glasgow, Lancashire Telegraph, Oxford Mail, Southern Daily Echo, South Wales Argus, Swindon Advertiser, The Argus, Brighton, The Northern Echo, The Press, York, Worcester News. Not too much focus on Scotland you would agree and hence where does the editorial control come from? Tim Blott is the claimed MD of Herald & Times in Glasgow with no other experience in Scotland according to their website.
Hollinger Inc have 400 publications worldwide and are a known intelligence front previously staffed by Bilderberger's, notably Henry Kissinger, Richard Pearle and Conrad Black the chap who spent £25,000 on ‘summer drinks’ and was sent to holiday camp, I mean jail for not singing off the hymn-sheet. Time Warner is a monster etc… News International is controlled by Rupert Murdoch who also controls BSkyB. Many more newspaper details out there.
Radio and DAB: Beat 106 (Central Scotland) are owned by Capitol Radio, London. Real Radio (Central Scotland) – Guardian Media Group. Wireless Group has Talk FM, controlled from London.
Scottish Radio Holdings 22 odd radio stations, assembled by Richard Findlay now Chairman at SMG, were sold to EMAP. Very easy to control uniform output to all over Scotland. Here they are: 3C (local digital), Radio Borders (Scottish Borders), CFM (Cumbria), Cool FM (Northern Ireland), Clyde 1 (Glasgow), Clyde 2 (Glasgow), Downtown Radio (Northern Ireland), FM104 (Dublin), Forth AM (Edinburgh), Forth FM (Edinburgh), Moray Firth (Inverness), NorthSound One (Aberdeen), NorthSound Two (Aberdeen), Tay AM (Dundee), Tay FM (Dundee), Today FM (Republic of Ireland Regional), Vibe 101 (Bristol), Vibe FM (East of England), Wave 105 (Solent), West Sound FM (Dumfries and Galloway),West Sound (Ayrshire), West FM (Ayrshire). That’s why all radio stations sound the same. SRH now owned by EMAP who were acquired by Eden Bidco Ltd, a joint venture between Apax and Guardian Media Group plc. Apax Partners is one of the world’s leading private equity investment groups. It operates across the United States, Europe, Israel and Asia etc, etc.
Virgin and many other media entities owned by SMG. Rob Woodward is the Chief Executive of SMG. Appointed to the Board as Chief Executive in 2007. Rob Woodward was Commercial Director of Channel 4 and on the main board. Rob was previously an MD of UBS Warburg and global COO of corporate finance in Media and Communications. He was formerly Managing Partner of Deloitte’s European TMT business and UK strategy consulting practice. – no surprises there.
The BBC are an obvious disgrace to the people of Scotland enjoying the bizarre phenomenon of serving up lucid propaganda and charging the people of Scotland for the privilege! Incorporated as a limited company in 1922 and granted Royal Charter in 1927 becoming state owned. They get the charter rubber stamped every 10 years. With an estimated annual budget of £4Billion to weave the Establishment world view. TV is more powerful than most give it credit. Some thinking cites TV having been created expressly to control humans.
Scotland needs some independent media as well as Independence.
Astonished wrote:
Please leave off the numpties - They are in real pain. The results were much worse than expected. Some numpties will be able to help the millionaire Foulkes count his money,some help Charlie Gordon maintain his flats and some may try to keep the electoral commission out of jail - But what are the rest going to do ? Polls are fickle and pochled regularly, the present feeling in Scotland isn't. We must keep up the pressure on the media for unbiased reporting - Hopefully leopards will change their spots. I am looking forward to a fairer and stronger Scotland.
Newspapers, TV and Radio are the Establishment magicians. There are now two distinct worlds, theirs and the one in which we live. Some digging into who owns and more importantly controls the media in Scotland is interesting.
A quick look at Newsquest, the group that owns the Herald with nearly 300 titles and a claimed weekly readership of 13Million… Here are some of their papers…The Bolton News, Bradford Telegraph, Colchester Gazette, Daily Echo, Bournemouth, Dorset Echo, Echo (Essex), Evening Times, Glasgow, Lancashire Telegraph, Oxford Mail, Southern Daily Echo, South Wales Argus, Swindon Advertiser, The Argus, Brighton, The Northern Echo, The Press, York, Worcester News. Not too much focus on Scotland you would agree and hence where does the editorial control come from? Tim Blott is the claimed MD of Herald & Times in Glasgow with no other experience in Scotland according to their website.
Hollinger Inc have 400 publications worldwide and are a known intelligence front previously staffed by Bilderberger's, notably Henry Kissinger, Richard Pearle and Conrad Black the chap who spent £25,000 on ‘summer drinks’ and was sent to holiday camp, I mean jail for not singing off the hymn-sheet. Time Warner is a monster etc… News International is controlled by Rupert Murdoch who also controls BSkyB. Many more newspaper details out there.
Radio and DAB: Beat 106 (Central Scotland) are owned by Capitol Radio, London. Real Radio (Central Scotland) – Guardian Media Group. Wireless Group has Talk FM, controlled from London.
Scottish Radio Holdings 22 odd radio stations, assembled by Richard Findlay now Chairman at SMG, were sold to EMAP. Very easy to control uniform output to all over Scotland. Here they are: 3C (local digital), Radio Borders (Scottish Borders), CFM (Cumbria), Cool FM (Northern Ireland), Clyde 1 (Glasgow), Clyde 2 (Glasgow), Downtown Radio (Northern Ireland), FM104 (Dublin), Forth AM (Edinburgh), Forth FM (Edinburgh), Moray Firth (Inverness), NorthSound One (Aberdeen), NorthSound Two (Aberdeen), Tay AM (Dundee), Tay FM (Dundee), Today FM (Republic of Ireland Regional), Vibe 101 (Bristol), Vibe FM (East of England), Wave 105 (Solent), West Sound FM (Dumfries and Galloway),West Sound (Ayrshire), West FM (Ayrshire). That’s why all radio stations sound the same. SRH now owned by EMAP who were acquired by Eden Bidco Ltd, a joint venture between Apax and Guardian Media Group plc. Apax Partners is one of the world’s leading private equity investment groups. It operates across the United States, Europe, Israel and Asia etc, etc.
Virgin and many other media entities owned by SMG. Rob Woodward is the Chief Executive of SMG. Appointed to the Board as Chief Executive in 2007. Rob Woodward was Commercial Director of Channel 4 and on the main board. Rob was previously an MD of UBS Warburg and global COO of corporate finance in Media and Communications. He was formerly Managing Partner of Deloitte’s European TMT business and UK strategy consulting practice. – no surprises there.
The BBC are an obvious disgrace to the people of Scotland enjoying the bizarre phenomenon of serving up lucid propaganda and charging the people of Scotland for the privilege! Incorporated as a limited company in 1922 and granted Royal Charter in 1927 becoming state owned. They get the charter rubber stamped every 10 years. With an estimated annual budget of £4Billion to weave the Establishment world view. TV is more powerful than most give it credit. Some thinking cites TV having been created expressly to control humans.
Scotland needs some independent media as well as Independence.
Posted by: Duns Scotus, The Borders on 3:52pm Sat 3 May 08
[quote][bold]awh[/bold] wrote:
I see most Nats still hate those Scots who dare to vote labour. Noting like a bit of respect for opposing views[/quote] Ah! You've surfaced ... thought the E & W elections would have been too much for you to bear. Still you will be pleased with the Unionist success in a Dumfries bye-elction.
Now tell me what do you think about the Herald news story on the royal blackmail which contains the following line?
[quote]Ian Strachan, a [bold]Scot,[/bold] and Sean McGuigan[/quote]
Will you be reporting this paper to the race relations Board?
Have you heard back on your puerile claim that you were reporting me for saying that English people were English?
You are not very discerning or you would realise that the SNP posters on here despise the "[italic]blind faith - dog with red rosette[/italic] " Labour voter living in squalid communities created by Labour and yet thinking that Labour can haul them out of their misery.
It is unionists like you who constantly raise words like "hate", "nazi", "anti-English", flag burning" etc, etc.
BTW, supporters of a party other than the SNP need not always hold "opposing views" as you call them. But as we have seen in the last year, the three Unionist parties at Holyrood have held opposing views for the sheer bloody-mindedness of opposing the SNP.
awh wrote:
I see most Nats still hate those Scots who dare to vote labour. Noting like a bit of respect for opposing views
Ah! You've surfaced ... thought the E & W elections would have been too much for you to bear. Still you will be pleased with the Unionist success in a Dumfries bye-elction.
Now tell me what do you think about the Herald news story on the royal blackmail which contains the following line?
Ian Strachan, a Scot, and Sean McGuigan
Will you be reporting this paper to the race relations Board?
Have you heard back on your puerile claim that you were reporting me for saying that English people were English?
You are not very discerning or you would realise that the SNP posters on here despise the "
blind faith - dog with red rosette " Labour voter living in squalid communities created by Labour and yet thinking that Labour can haul them out of their misery.
It is unionists like you who constantly raise words like "hate", "nazi", "anti-English", flag burning" etc, etc.
BTW, supporters of a party other than the SNP need not always hold "opposing views" as you call them. But as we have seen in the last year, the three Unionist parties at Holyrood have held opposing views for the sheer bloody-mindedness of opposing the SNP.
Posted by: Ronald, Glasgow on 4:07pm Sat 3 May 08
Interesting post free thinker, but might I sugest the phrase you are
seeking to describe the ebc's "news" output is ; Lurid Propaganda !
Interesting post free thinker, but might I sugest the phrase you are
seeking to describe the ebc's "news" output is ; Lurid Propaganda !
Posted by: doonhamer on 4:20pm Sat 3 May 08
[quote][bold]awh[/bold] wrote:
I see most Nats still hate those Scots who dare to vote labour. Noting like a bit of respect for opposing views[/quote] Aye, but we are getting better. After all, there are far fewer of them every week.
awh wrote:
I see most Nats still hate those Scots who dare to vote labour. Noting like a bit of respect for opposing views
Aye, but we are getting better. After all, there are far fewer of them every week.
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 4:51pm Sat 3 May 08
awh - always lower case in case i'm spotted[quote]I see most Nats still hate those Scots who dare to vote labour. So I've counted them, every one. We [bold]KNOW[/bold] where you live - Scotland![/quote]
awh - always lower case in case i'm spotted
I see most Nats still hate those Scots who dare to vote labour. So I've counted them, every one. We KNOW where you live - Scotland!
Posted by: Astonished, Inverclyde on 4:53pm Sat 3 May 08
Thanks for the info freethinker - I agree with you.
The BBC are now well aware that unfettered bias will receive complaints and that their journo's jaikets are on a shoogly nail. We must keep up the pressure for honest reporting.
We are having some notable success - Where is Kirsty "SNP hater" Wark ?
All we need now is for the BBC to find Wendy's e-mails that Jackie said were freely available. (I don't want them to actually look for these e-mails - I just want an acknowledgement that the BBC hacks haven't bothered looking for them. I bet Brian doesn't blog that !)
Hope you are enjoying the new second year of Scottish Government - I know I am.
Anyway all things considered I am planning one hell of a party for 2013 !
Thanks for the info freethinker - I agree with you.
The BBC are now well aware that unfettered bias will receive complaints and that their journo's jaikets are on a shoogly nail. We must keep up the pressure for honest reporting.
We are having some notable success - Where is Kirsty "SNP hater" Wark ?
All we need now is for the BBC to find Wendy's e-mails that Jackie said were freely available. (I don't want them to actually look for these e-mails - I just want an acknowledgement that the BBC hacks haven't bothered looking for them. I bet Brian doesn't blog that !)
Hope you are enjoying the new second year of Scottish Government - I know I am.
Anyway all things considered I am planning one hell of a party for 2013 !
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 5:09pm Sat 3 May 08
[bold]
If I decide to like you for a time I will call you mate.
If I want you to stand by me in battle I will call you private.
If I want to count you for tax reasons I will call you British.
If you talk of Scotland in affectionate terms I will call you dissenter
If I dislike your attitude to the Union I will call you bloody Scottish.
If I think you want your country back I will call you separatist.
If you joined the SNP to regain your country I will call you scum.
But I will never, ever call you one of us and free.[/bold]
LA
If I decide to like you for a time I will call you mate.
If I want you to stand by me in battle I will call you private.
If I want to count you for tax reasons I will call you British.
If you talk of Scotland in affectionate terms I will call you dissenter
If I dislike your attitude to the Union I will call you bloody Scottish.
If I think you want your country back I will call you separatist.
If you joined the SNP to regain your country I will call you scum.
But I will never, ever call you one of us and free.
LA
Posted by: Morag, Peeblesshire on 5:10pm Sat 3 May 08
To rain on the parade a little, I wouldn't classify anything posted by Free Thinker (a.k.a. Interstellarmince) as "information".
There doesn't seem to be a single way-out wacky conspiracy theory that this guy isn't fully signed up to, hook, line, sinker and rowboat. His stated purpose in participating in these threads is to spread paranoid conspiracy disinformation. So just take it with the whole salt cellar.
To rain on the parade a little, I wouldn't classify anything posted by Free Thinker (a.k.a. Interstellarmince) as "information".
There doesn't seem to be a single way-out wacky conspiracy theory that this guy isn't fully signed up to, hook, line, sinker and rowboat. His stated purpose in participating in these threads is to spread paranoid conspiracy disinformation. So just take it with the whole salt cellar.
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 5:23pm Sat 3 May 08
[bold][quote]If I decide to like you for a time I will call you mate.
If I want you to stand by me in battle I will call you private.
If I want to count you for tax reasons I will call you British.
If you talk of Scotland in affectionate terms I will call you dissenter
If I dislike your attitude to the Union I will call you whinging Jock.
If I think you want your country back I will call you separatist.
If you joined the SNP to regain your country I will call you scum.
But I will never, ever call you one of us and free.[/quote] [/bold]
LA
If I decide to like you for a time I will call you mate.
If I want you to stand by me in battle I will call you private.
If I want to count you for tax reasons I will call you Britis
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