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UK ministers rally round Brown after Levy attack
MICHAEL SETTLEApril 28 2008
DAMAGING: Lord Levy's assertion
DAMAGING: Lord Levy's assertion

A raft of present and past UK Government ministers threw a protective ring around Gordon Brown yesterday after it was claimed Tony Blair had written off his successor's chances of winning the next general election.

Although there was a vehement denial from Mr Blair's office of the damaging assertion from Lord Levy, the ex-PM's former confidante and chief fundraiser, minister after minister took to the airwaves to defend the increasingly beleaguered prime minister.

The timing of the peer's claims, just days before Thursday's local elections in England and Wales, and the publication used, Labour-baiting Mail on Sunday, seemed geared to cause the maximum amount of damage to Mr Brown in particular and Labour in general.

Again, the backdrop for the UK Government to the latest political development was unhelpful: another poll suggesting David Cameron would walk into Downing Street with a healthy majority; industrial unrest with the Grangemouth strike; continuing Labour discontent on tax in a Commons debate due today and reports of another U-turn in the offing over the issue of extending detention to 42 days.

Yesterday, Angus Robertson for the SNP said Lord Levy had delivered a "damning indictment" of Mr Brown's leadership, and noted: "Labour Party members may soon be wishing they could have Tony Blair back."

Today, the Conservatives will seek to capitalise on the PM's woes when David Cameron, who yesterday insisted he wanted to "stand up" for the low-paid, will make a speech on how Labour has "failed to tackle poverty".

In the eagerly awaited serialisation of his autobiography, A Question of Honour, Lord Levy, arrested only to be later cleared over the cash-for-honours allegations, attacked the "lack of strong leadership" in the Labour Party.

In an interview with the Mail on Sunday, he said Mr Brown's leadership had been "very indecisive", and stressed: "There are people who are great number twos but when thrust into the leadership role they cannot cut the ice. Gordon Brown has not cut the ice." He claimed Mr Blair felt his successor "could never beat" Mr Cameron. According to the peer, the ex-PM also branded Mr Brown a "liar" for his alleged part in attempts to hasten his exit as leader.

The 63-year-old peer described how Mr Blair felt he could have won a fourth term had he not stood down last summer. "But Gordon? He can't defeat Cameron," Mr Blair was quoted as saying.

While Lord Levy made clear the ex-PM did not believe the Tory leader was his "heir" or the finished article, he said: "He did believe Cameron had major strengths - a sense of political timing, a winning personality and a natural ability to communicate and connect with people outside the closed world of politics, particularly in the crucial Middle England constituencies - that Gordon would simply be unable ever to match."

However, Mr Blair's office rejected Lord Levy's assertions and insisted the ex-PM was 100% supportive of his successor and "fully believes Labour, with Gordon Brown's leadership, can win the next election".

Harriet Harman, Labour's Deputy Leader, insisted Mr Brown was a "world-class leader", and added: "These are serious times and it's time for a very serious leader and that is exactly what Gordon Brown is." David Miliband, the Foreign Secretary, rejected any idea that the PM would have to stand down if Labour sustained heavy defeats in Thursday's elections. "We know what's fatal," he said.

"If we fail to defend the leader, we lose sight of our core convictions and we don't follow through on what we started."

Justice Secretary Jack Straw described the Prime Minister as "the heart of New Labour". He admitted the UK Government faced difficulties but insisted that, under Mr Brown's leadership, "we can get through this".

Peter Mandelson, the EU Trade Commissioner and Mr Brown's one-time sparring partner, called on the party to support the leader but also urged it to "pull itself together", "refocus" and ensure its policies were relevant to voters' everyday concerns.


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Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 10:25pm Sun 27 Apr 08

Lame Duck a la Union?
Posted by: megz, glasgow on 10:37pm Sun 27 Apr 08
A raft of present and past UK Government ministers threw a protective ring around Gordon Brown yesterday after it was claimed Tony Blair had written off his successor's chances of winning the next general election.


Was it a rubber ring? Getting the impression that he is drowning here.
Posted by: Jimbo on 12:29am Mon 28 Apr 08
Probably the only honest words Blair ever uttered.
Posted by: nostress, grangemouth on 12:36am Mon 28 Apr 08
The timing of the peer's claims....

Now is he one of those pee-er's inside the tent or outside it, as described by Gordon Brown's role model John Major....oh dear Gordy...you're really screwed aren't you...
Posted by: scotland only 8% of UK, consumes 11% of social security on 12:37am Mon 28 Apr 08
G Brown the last scot to be prime minister of England!

I take my hat off to the SNP
Posted by: Im no really here, but over there on 12:49am Mon 28 Apr 08
scotland only 8% of UK wrote:
G Brown the last scot to be prime minister of England! I take my hat off to the SNP
You'll be surprised where Scots will spring up. Even with full Independence you'll still have lots down there running things for you. You know what they say, "If the Scots didn't get everywhere, the World would be nowhere".

I thought this Levy was supposed to be making startling revelations. Nothing startling about this. Everyone knows what Blair thinks of Brown, and he has made it vocal before.
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 2:23am Mon 28 Apr 08
Oh, we値l rally round the flag boys
We値l rally once again
Shouting the battle cry of freedom
We will rally from the hillside
We値l gather from the plain
Shouting the battle cry of freedom

The Union forever
Hurrah boys hurrah
Down with the traitor, up with the star
While we rally round the flag boys
Rally once again
Shouting the battle cry of freedom

We are springing to the call
Of our brothers gone before
Shouting the battle cry of freedom
And we値l fill the vacant ranks
With a million freemen more
Shouting the battle cry of freedom

The Union forever
Hurrah boys hurrah
Down with the traitor, up with the star
While we rally round the flag boys
Rally once again
Shouting the battle cry of freedom

We will welcome to our numbers
The loyal, true and brave
Shouting the battle cry of freedom
And although they may be poor
Not a one shall be a slave
Shouting the battle cry of freedom

The Union forever
Hurrah boys hurrah
Down with the traitor, up with the star
While we rally round the flag boys
Rally once again
Shouting the battle cry of freedom

So we池e springing to the call
From the east and from the west
Shouting the battle cry of freedom
And we値l hurl the rebel crew
From the land we love the best
Shouting the battle cry of freedom

The Union forever
Hurrah boys hurrah
Down with the traitor, up with the star
While we rally round the flag boys
Rally once again
Shouting the battle cry of freedom
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 2:24am Mon 28 Apr 08
scotland only 8% of UK wrote:
G Brown the last scot to be prime minister of England!

I take my hat off to the SNP
David Cameron??? Did ye think we'd just go away and leave ye in peace?
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 2:28am Mon 28 Apr 08
1
When Britain first, at Heaven's command
Arose from out the azure main;
This was the charter of the land,
And guardian angels sung this strain:
"Rule, Britannia! rule the waves:
"Britons never will be slaves."
2
The nations, not so blest as thee,
Must, in their turns, to tyrants fall;
While thou shalt flourish great and free,
The dread and envy of them all.
"Rule, Britannia! rule the waves:
"Britons never will be slaves."
3
Still more majestic shalt thou rise,
More dreadful, from each foreign stroke;
As the loud blast that tears the skies,
Serves but to root thy native oak.
"Rule, Britannia! rule the waves:
"Britons never will be slaves."
4
Thee haughty tyrants ne'er shall tame:
All their attempts to bend thee down,
Will but arouse thy generous flame;
But work their woe, and thy renown.
"Rule, Britannia! rule the waves:
"Britons never will be slaves."
5
To thee belongs the rural reign;
Thy cities shall with commerce shine:
All thine shall be the subject main,
And every shore it circles thine.
"Rule, Britannia! rule the waves:
"Britons never will be slaves."
6
The Muses, still with freedom found,
Shall to thy happy coast repair;
Blest Isle! With matchless beauty crown'd,
And manly hearts to guard the fair.
"Rule, Britannia! rule the waves:
"Britons never will be slaves."
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 2:32am Mon 28 Apr 08
Jerusalem

Written by William Blake

And did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon England's mountains green
And was the holy lamb of God
On England's pleasant pastures seen

And did the countenance divine
Shine forth upon our clouded hills
And was Jerusalem builded there
Among those dark Satanic mills

Bring me my bow (my bow) of burning gold
Bring me my arrows of desire
Bring me my spears o'clouds unfold
Bring me my chariot of fire

I will not cease from mental fight
Nor shall my sword sleep in hand
'Til we have built Jerusalem
In England's green and pleasant land
'Til we have built Jerusalem
In England's green and pleasant land
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 2:34am Mon 28 Apr 08
God save the queen,
The fascist regime,
They made you a moron,
Potential H-bomb.

God save the queen,
She ain't no human being.
There is no future,
In England's dreaming.

Don't be told what you want,
Don't be told what you need,
There's no future no future,
No future for you!

God save the queen,
We mean it man
We love our queen
God saves.

God save the queen,
'Cos tourists are money
Our figure's head
Is not what she seems.

Oh God save history
God save your mad parade
Oh lord god have mercy
All claims are paid

When there's no future
How can there be sin?
We're the flowers in the dustbin,
We're the poison in your human machine,
We're the future; your future.

God save the queen
We mean it man
We love our queen
God saves.

God save the queen
We mean it man
And there is no future
In England's dreaming.

No future no future
No future for you
No future no future
No future for me.

No future no future
No future for you
No future no future
No future for you
No future no future for you.
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 2:37am Mon 28 Apr 08
"My England"

It ain't about the tea and biscuits, I'm one of those English misfits,
I don't drink tea I drink spirits, and I talk alot of slang in my lyrics,
These goes a horse, horses for courses, nah more like corpses on corners,
And Staffordshire Bull Terriers and late night crawlers,
Polics carry guns not truncheons, make your on assumptions,
London ain't all crumpets and trumpets, it's one big slum pit.


We ain't all posh like the queen, we ain't all squeaky clean,
Now do the Tony Blair, throw your hands in the air now everytwhere,
We ain't all posh like the queen, we ain't all squeaky clean,
Now do the Tony Blair, throw your hands in the air now everytwhere,
This is the picture I painted my low down, This my London that I call my home twon,
It's where I'm living and this is my low down,
This is my England I'm letting you know now,

No I don't watch the Antiques Roadshow, I'd rather listen Run the Road,
And smoke someone's fresh homegrown,
And not get bloated on a plate of scones,
Cricket, bowls, croquet, nah PS2 all the way, in an English council apartment,
We don't all wear bowler hats and hire servants,
More like 24 hour surveillance and dog **** on pavements,


We ain't all posh like the queen, we ain't all squeaky clean,
Now do the Tony Blair, throw your hands in the air now everytwhere,
We ain't all posh like the queen, we ain't all squeaky clean,
Now do the Tony Blair, throw your hands in the air now everytwhere,
This is the picture I painted my low down,
This my London that I call my home town,
It's where I'm living and this is my low down,
This is my England I'm letting you know now,

Big up Oliver Twist, lettingus know the nitty gritty of what London really is,
It ain't all pretty, deal with the realness, it's all gritty, deal with the realness,
Ohh the changing of the Queen's guard, that's nothing for me to come out of the house form
Tra la la, I'd rather sit on my arse,
And have a glass of Chardonnay, nah
We ain't all Briget Jones clones, who say pardon me,
More like gwanin mate, You get me...
Now i can select a few, paper people like to reject all my views,
Well I'm letting you know the news and
well, this is the straight up truth,


We ain't all posh like the queen, we ain't all squeaky clean,
Now do the Tony Blair, throw your hands in the air now everytwhere,
We ain't all posh like the queen, we ain't all squeaky clean,
Now do the Tony Blair, throw your hands in the air now everytwhere,
This is the picture I painted my low down, This my London that I call my home twon,
It's where I'm living and this is my low down,
This is my England I'm letting you know now,

Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 2:37am Mon 28 Apr 08
I hear a gang fire on a human factory farm
Are they howling out or doing somebody harm
On a catwalk jungle somebody grabbed my arm
A voice spoke so cold it matched the weapon in her palm

This is England
This knife of Sheffield steel
This is England
This is how we feel

Time on his hands freezing in those clothes
He won't go for the carrot
They beat him by the pole
Some sunny day confronted by his soul
He's out at sea, too far off, he can't go home

This is England
What we're supposed to die for
This is England
And we're never gonna cry no more

Black shadow of the Vincent
Falls on a Triumph line
I got my motorcycle jacket
But I'm walking all the time
South Atlantic wind blows
Ice from a dying creed
I see no glory
When will we be free

This is England
We can chain you to the rail
This is England
We can kill you in a jail

Those British boots go kick Bengali in the head
Police sit watchin'
The newspapers been read
Who cares to protest
A (???) in the eye like a flare
Out came the batons and
The British warned themselves

This is England
The land of the legal dossier
This is England
Land of a thousand stances
This is England
This knife of Sheffield steel
This is England
This is how we feel
This is England
This is England
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 2:39am Mon 28 Apr 08
Black and viscous --- bound to cure blue lethargy
Sugar-plum petroleum for energy
Tightrope-balanced payments need a small reprieve
Oh, please believe we want to be
In north sea oil
New-found wealth sits on the shelf of yesterday
Hot-air balloon --- inflation soon will make you pay
Riggers rig and diggers dig their shallow grave
But well be saved and what we crave
Is north sea oil
Prices boom in aberdeen and london town
Ten more years to lay the fears, erase the frown
Before we are all nuclear --- the better way!
Oh, let us pray: we want to stay
In north sea oil
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 2:44am Mon 28 Apr 08
Calm down Observer - just havin a wee laugh.


Posted by: pencildick on 4:23am Mon 28 Apr 08
Scunnert
Yer bound to be tired, away to yer bed.
Posted by: highlander45, Highlands on 9:06am Mon 28 Apr 08
fLIES AROUND SHYTE !!
Posted by: Harry, Bishopbriggs on 9:29am Mon 28 Apr 08
Im no really here wrote:
scotland only 8% of UK wrote: G Brown the last scot to be prime minister of England! I take my hat off to the SNP
You'll be surprised where Scots will spring up. Even with full Independence you'll still have lots down there running things for you. You know what they say, "If the Scots didn't get everywhere, the World would be nowhere". I thought this Levy was supposed to be making startling revelations. Nothing startling about this. Everyone knows what Blair thinks of Brown, and he has made it vocal before.
Yes, but there are Scots and Scots
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 9:36am Mon 28 Apr 08
scotland only 8% of UK wrote:
G Brown the last scot to be prime minister of England!

I take my hat off to the SNP

Rule Britannia 8%

Your racist innuendo does nothing to hide your BNP Fascist Credentials
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 9:37am Mon 28 Apr 08
scotland only 8% of UK wrote:
G Brown the last scot to be prime minister of England!

I take my hat off to the SNP

Rule Britannia 8%

Your racist innuendo does nothing to hide your BNP Fascist Credentials
Posted by: LEGION, ALBA on 9:37am Mon 28 Apr 08
Scunnert wrote:
Oh, we値l rally round the flag boys We値l rally once again Shouting the battle cry of freedom We will rally from the hillside We値l gather from the plain Shouting the battle cry of freedom The Union forever Hurrah boys hurrah Down with the traitor, up with the star While we rally round the flag boys Rally once again Shouting the battle cry of freedom We are springing to the call Of our brothers gone before Shouting the battle cry of freedom And we値l fill the vacant ranks With a million freemen more Shouting the battle cry of freedom The Union forever Hurrah boys hurrah Down with the traitor, up with the star While we rally round the flag boys Rally once again Shouting the battle cry of freedom We will welcome to our numbers The loyal, true and brave Shouting the battle cry of freedom And although they may be poor Not a one shall be a slave Shouting the battle cry of freedom The Union forever Hurrah boys hurrah Down with the traitor, up with the star While we rally round the flag boys Rally once again Shouting the battle cry of freedom So we池e springing to the call From the east and from the west Shouting the battle cry of freedom And we値l hurl the rebel crew From the land we love the best Shouting the battle cry of freedom The Union forever Hurrah boys hurrah Down with the traitor, up with the star While we rally round the flag boys Rally once again Shouting the battle cry of freedom
'mon the Rebels !
Posted by: sam, greenock on 9:58am Mon 28 Apr 08
Jocks got a vote in parochia
Ten long years and hes still got her
Paying tax and and doing stir
Worry about it later.
And the wind blows hot and the wind blows cold
But it blows us good so weve been told
Musics food til the art-biz folds
Let them all eat culture.

Chorus:
The past is steeped in shame,
But tomorrows fair game,
For a life thats fit for living
Good morning britain.

Twenty years and a loaded gun
Funerals, fear and the war aint won
Paddys just a figure of fun
It lightens up the danger.
And a corporal sneers at a catholic boy
And he eyes his gun like a rich mans toy
Hes killing more than celtic joy
Death is not a stranger.

Taffys times gonna come one day
Its a loud sweet voice and it wont give way
A house is not a holiday
Your sons are leaving home neil.
In the hills and the valleys and far away
You can hear the song of democracy
The echo of eternity
With a rak-a-rak-a feel.

Chorus

From the tyne to where to the thames does flow
My english brothers and sisters know
Its not a case of where you go
Its race and creed and colour.
From the police cell to the deep dark grave
On the undergrounds just a stop away
Dont be too black, dont be too gay
Just get a little duller.

But in this green and pleasant land,
Where I make my home, I make my stand
Make it cool just to be a man,
A uniforms a traitor.
Love is international
And if you stand or if you fall,
Just let them know you gave your all,
Worry about it later.

Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 10:20am Mon 28 Apr 08

8% Idiot - 92% Moron
G Brown the last scot to be prime minister of England!
Dear Racist, I wonder where the surname "Cameron" originates?

Doh!

Posted by: Luigi, Aberdeen on 10:47am Mon 28 Apr 08
megz wrote:
A raft of present and past UK Government ministers threw a protective ring around Gordon Brown yesterday after it was claimed Tony Blair had written off his successor's chances of winning the next general election.
Was it a rubber ring? Getting the impression that he is drowning here.
It's like a circle of red balloons trying to keep up the Titanic.

He is going down.
Posted by: Toophingers, Bellshill. on 11:00am Mon 28 Apr 08
Its typical of the double-dealing, knife-in-the-back behaviour we have come to expect from Tony Crony peers.
I haven't read the book, but I doubt if Levy has been so forthcoming about his own role in the cash for peerages scandal and its subsequent whitewash by a Labour judge and jury kangaroo court..
Posted by: Toophingers, Bellshill. on 11:00am Mon 28 Apr 08
Its typical of the double-dealing, knife-in-the-back behaviour we have come to expect from Tony Crony peers.
I haven't read the book, but I doubt if Levy has been so forthcoming about his own role in the cash for peerages scandal and its subsequent whitewash by a Labour judge and jury kangaroo court..
Posted by: Disgusted Dorothy, Glasgow on 11:12am Mon 28 Apr 08
I know it was naive of me to expect NEVER to hear of Mandelson, Levy .Prescott, Blunket and Blair ever again, but I fervently hoped that would be the case ( other than in a courtroom)
There must be several books bound for the bargain bin this weather.
Sadly , the writers have already been paid.
Posted by: scotland only 8% of UK, consumes 11% of social security on 11:41am Mon 28 Apr 08
Los Angeles wrote:
8% Idiot - 92% Moron
G Brown the last scot to be prime minister of England!
Dear Racist, I wonder where the surname "Cameron" originates? Doh!
Go on tell me?

I guess Los Anals is scottch also!
Posted by: Duns Scotus, The Borders on 11:43am Mon 28 Apr 08
Los Angeles wrote:
8% Idiot - 92% Moron
G Brown the last scot to be prime minister of England!
Dear Racist, I wonder where the surname "Cameron" originates? Doh!
Cameron = Gaelic for crooked nose and LA has put 8-92%'s nose out of joint!
Posted by: scotland only 8% of UK, consumes 11% of social security on 11:55am Mon 28 Apr 08
Duns Scotus wrote:
Los Angeles wrote: 8% Idiot - 92% Moron
G Brown the last scot to be prime minister of England!
Dear Racist, I wonder where the surname "Cameron" originates? Doh!
Cameron = Gaelic for crooked nose and LA has put 8-92%'s nose out of joint!
Not sure what your problem is, I take my hat off to the SNP!

The English will dump a burden called scotsland, and one less ethnic minority (scots) will need to be appeased no more.

I'm wondering if there's a Tarten for "Clan Brown".

Posted by: Mac, Argyll on 11:56am Mon 28 Apr 08
From Levy, at last... the Truth, the whole Truth, and nothing but the Truth!
Posted by: Toophingers, Bellshill. on 12:05pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Hey. I've just noticed. Tony Crony Lord Levy's heartfelt outpourings
is entitled 'A Question of Honour'.
DOH!
Posted by: robmcdonald, East Kilbride on 1:04pm Mon 28 Apr 08
UK Government ministers threw a protective ring around Gordon Brown yesterday

I remember Julius Caesar getting the same 'support'.
Posted by: Mark fae Partick, Glasgow on 1:16pm Mon 28 Apr 08
At least Levy is prepared to point out the obvious and what most of us suspected - "there's too many number twos" haning around Gordon Brown - aye and most of them are talking a hell of a lot of number ones!
Posted by: Mike MacKinnon on 1:33pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Jeez 8%, you're gonna get a shock when Engerland has to survive on it's own! Who's gonna send people like you food parcels?
Posted by: Harry, Bishopbriggs on 1:41pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Rally 'roon Broon. They rallied round Caesar as well, as Rob MacDonald has just said above, before the blades went in. Et Tu Tony
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 1:53pm Mon 28 Apr 08
8% Idiot - 92 Moron
I'm wondering if there's a Tarten for "Clan Brown".
Alas, no.

Mainly because it's spelt, "T.A.R.T.A.N." Not that a non-Scot like you would know or bother to check. You can't even get the object of your bitterness right:
called scotsland


As for ethnic purity - do BNP members avoid Chinese, Indian, Italian and French food?


Posted by: George Laird, Glasgow on 2:52pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Dear All

It is sad when people turn on each other is it not?

"UK ministers rally round Brown after Levy attack".

I hope the public get to deliver a bigger kicking on 1st May 2008 and Boris gets the London Mayor job than Levy has done.

Finally I would like to highlight Brian Paddick for his dreadful and disgraceful performance on Questiontime by attacking Boris on the issue of trust.

This was terribly snide of Paddick because without say it, he brought up the fact Boris had marriage problems. Since Boris's wife took him back, it really was none of Paddick's business and certainly not the done thing.

Boris to his credit didn't jump on the bandwagon about Livingstone.

Boris for victory and then the night of long knives for Brown.

Yours sincerely

George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University
Posted by: Toophingers, Bellshill. on 3:55pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Duns Scotus wrote:
Los Angeles wrote: 8% Idiot - 92% Moron
G Brown the last scot to be prime minister of England!
Dear Racist, I wonder where the surname "Cameron" originates? Doh!
Cameron = Gaelic for crooked nose and LA has put 8-92%'s nose out of joint!
Having endured a decade of double-dealing, prevaricating, self-seeking, gravy train con artists and Nu Lavatory whitewashing kangaroo courts lets hope its just the nose that's crooked.
By the way, Nu Lavatory today dismisses the Nationalist's 14% increase in Scots wanting independence claim with a disparaging 'Its election results that count'.
I doubt if they'll be saying that after Thursday's English local and mayoral elections.
Posted by: Joe Middleton, Edinburgh on 4:31pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Lord Cashpoint (and Blair?) is right though. England doesn't like Scotsman Brown or his ultra Britishness (designed to cover up his origins).

His dithering has eventually caught up with him, but the problem is also his party which sold it's political soul and embraced Thatcherism to win votes. Now it doesn't know what it stands for and is fatally split on the constitution as we can see from the latest STUC conference.

Loving the union suits the Tories, not Labour.
Posted by: lillywhite, borders on 4:32pm Mon 28 Apr 08
FACT
either Blair or Levy is a liar, so lets have a full independant inquiry into their evidence given to the police in the cash for honours enquiry.
Posted by: Super nova, GLASGOW on 4:53pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Better the Devil you know! Can no one remember life under the Tories?
Posted by: lillywhite, borders on 4:59pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Super nova wrote:
Better the Devil you know! Can no one remember life under the Tories?
Yes and at least the tories occasionaly resigned when they were caught lying or cheating .
How many sleazy Labour ministers have resigned within hours or even days of a scandal being exposed and how many whitewash enquiries have we had.
Posted by: Toophingers, Bellshill. on 5:08pm Mon 28 Apr 08
lillywhite wrote:
FACT either Blair or Levy is a liar, so lets have a full independant inquiry into their evidence given to the police in the cash for honours enquiry.
But stop to think. Smashing down the doors of New Lavatory would release a stink that would hover over Britain for decades.
On the other hand, as long as the wind dosen't blow it northwards........
Posted by: Spylaw, Edinburgh Scotland on 5:13pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Do I feel sorry for old gordy? nope! Have you mucked up my tax yes! do you deserve your big fat pensions ? nope Did you tell the truth re the Lisbon Treaty ? nope did you screw the poorest in the population? yes did you sort it out? the jurie's out on that fiasco.
Are you hanging on to the gravy train ? yes but it is going to stop pretty soon.. roll on thursday and friday when you will all be on the airwaves telling us poor plebs that you'll have to listen to us more. do me a favour and walk the plank now...
Posted by: pehman, sussex on 5:46pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Just a bit of fun here, but the times has an on-line poll

The results so far con;- 67.8%

lab;- 14.9%

other;- 8.8%

lib;- 8.6%

Posted by: Ronald, Glasgow on 5:46pm Mon 28 Apr 08
"Super Nova" - Are you having a laugh or what? These NEW

LABOUR right-wing liars, thieves , and warmongering scum

have got away with extremist policys that the Torys could only dream

off : ilegal bloody wars, hammering asylum seekers and refugees,

kicking the unemployed, disabled and pensioners, privatising

health services. doubling homlessness, building half the amount

of social housing, sanctioning torture, and dismantling human

rights. One million dead in Iraq. Proud are we?
Posted by: Kinghob, Scotland on 7:12pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Errrr........I don't wish to have Scotland influenced by any British based parties with a preference for whatever lame Westminster Government happens to be lucky enough to be in power and sporting a free seat on the gravy train.

It isn't a case of "better the devil you know" at all-the Tory and Labour devils are exactly the same offering no choice other than a different name, and will shaft Scotland if you give them a vote.

Vote for non unionist parties-that's what I say!

That's what I have learned about the devil.
Posted by: Il Penseroso, Inverurie on 8:50pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Super Nova Glasgow "Better the Devil you know...." The Labour Party (?), New Labour and the Trade Unions are all throwing this old line into their campaign to revitalise the dread of seeing the Tories back in power. It might work in a few political ghettos in England and Wales but you forget one critical difference here in Scotland. The current incumbents at Holyrood give us the other choice. An Independent party with a new vision for Scotland devoid of the two party choice that has been shown to be a total disaster. Fotunately in both arenas the LibDems are non starters. They are simply a conduit for protest.
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 9:14pm Mon 28 Apr 08

Took my Chevy to the Levee ... glug, glug, glug ... ploop!
Posted by: stanislav, scotland on 10:16pm Mon 28 Apr 08
Dear Mr Scunnert

Yes, Ry Cooder for President
Posted by: scotland only 8% of UK, consumes 11% of social security on 12:29am Tue 29 Apr 08
Mike MacKinnon wrote:
Jeez 8%, you're gonna get a shock when Engerland has to survive on it's own! Who's gonna send people like you food parcels?
Let me do the maths!

scotsland is only 8% of the UK, and you think your sending England food parcels, I nominate you for finance minister in an independent scotsland.
Posted by: scotland only 8% of UK, consumes 11% of social security on 12:33am Tue 29 Apr 08
Los Angeles wrote:
8% Idiot - 92 Moron
I'm wondering if there's a Tarten for "Clan Brown".
Alas, no. Mainly because it's spelt, "T.A.R.T.A.N." Not that a non-Scot like you would know or bother to check. You can't even get the object of your bitterness right:
called scotsland
As for ethnic purity - do BNP members avoid Chinese, Indian, Italian and French food?
scotsland tarten is a major scottch export , does it make as much as whiskey?
Posted by: Luigi, Aberdeen on 9:03am Tue 29 Apr 08
scotland only 8% of UK wrote:
Los Angeles wrote: 8% Idiot - 92 Moron
I'm wondering if there's a Tarten for "Clan Brown".
Alas, no. Mainly because it's spelt, "T.A.R.T.A.N." Not that a non-Scot like you would know or bother to check. You can't even get the object of your bitterness right:
called scotsland
As for ethnic purity - do BNP members avoid Chinese, Indian, Italian and French food?
scotsland tarten is a major scottch export , does it make as much as whiskey?
No, and not as much as oil, either.

」50 million per day in revenues.

Scotland only 8% of the UK, produces 20% of its wealth!
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 9:07pm Tue 29 Apr 08

8% Idiot - 92% Moron
scotsland tarten - I hopes me did nut spell it rong agayn.
Posted by: Victor Smith on 8:28am Wed 30 Apr 08
Rallying round! Get away, they are just performing their 'Job Protection' act in case he is still lucky and 'in situ' when it matters again!
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