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Salmond faces another onslaught over Trump affair
ATTACKS: First Minister Alex Salmon being questioned over the  Trump planning application at the Scottish Parliament in January 2008. Picture: Gordon Terris
ATTACKS: First Minister Alex Salmon being questioned over the Trump planning application at the Scottish Parliament in January 2008. Picture: Gordon Terris

ROBBIE DINWOODIE and GRAEME SMITH

Alex Salmond faced fresh attacks over his handling of Donald Trump's £1bn golf resort plans yesterday, with Labour accusing him of bowing down to wealthy investors.

Labour claimed that Mr Salmond acted at the behest of the billionaire during the controversial handling of the application, MSPs heard.

Labour MSP Duncan McNeil told parliament: "Cynics might say: Trump said jump, the First Minister of Scotland said how high?'."

The debate followed a report by a Holyrood committee, chaired by Mr McNeil, which branded Mr Salmond's involvement in the affair "cavalier".

A public inquiry has been set up into the application to develop Menie Estate, Aberdeenshire, after the plans were called in by Scottish ministers.

SNP MSP Alex Neil said the committee report was "blown up nonsense" and a "Unionist plot" to undermine the SNP administration.

He claimed that members of the public regarded the report and debate as "spurious" and added: "The Unionist majority in this committee is what needs to be called into question. These are the people that put an inquiry into child poverty in Scotland way behind this spurious inquiry into this affair."

For the Tories, Mary Scanlon said if it was Labour, Liberal or the Conservatives who were allegedly indulging, manipulating and interfering the planning process, the SNP would be first in the queue for at the very least a committee inquiry and a report to parliament.

Meanwhile, Martin Ford, who lost his chairmanship of the infrastructure services committee of Aberdeenshire Council after using his casting vote on November 29 to reject the plan, has lost another round of the battle against the proposal.

On December 12 the council agreed to support the application, and with a public local inquiry now planned for June officials suggested that for clarification the council should reaffirm its position as agreed on that date.

Mr Ford moved an amendment that it should reaffirm its decision of November 29. His motion was defeated by 56 votes to five.


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Posted by: Mrs I P Knightly, Scotland on 10:28pm Thu 24 Apr 08
It nice to know this newspaper believes in recycling.
Posted by: Luigi, Aberdeen on 10:43pm Thu 24 Apr 08
Mrs I P Knightly wrote:
It nice to know this newspaper believes in recycling.
It certainly does - well said, Mrs Knightly.

Quite a few trees have died in vain, however.
Posted by: george alexander, north lanarkshire on 10:58pm Thu 24 Apr 08
A severely limited Labour MSP let's his stomach rumble, two journalists from a quality journal report this man's partisan squealing and a completely laughable headline accompanies the article.

This story is truly embarassing, I'm not joking either, any reasonable reader with a basic grasp of Scottish politics will be laughing at this.

I wonder if there's anything in the fact that MacNeil hails from Greenock as does (I believe) Alf Young.

Yesterday the BBC ran a 'Trumper' as well, ignoring the STUC vote completely.
Posted by: Karin, glasgae. on 11:16pm Thu 24 Apr 08
they are also ignoring the new poll even though they sent me an email saying they report them when it shows a trend.
Posted by: Samoyed, Costa del Menie on 11:45pm Thu 24 Apr 08
I think I've mention like a million times that Nat's best asset in the fight for Independence can be found in the "loyal" opposition.

I agree with John that the more the insult the intelligence of the Scottish voters with these kind of remarks, the more they help the Nat's cause, as it became personal.

Therefore I hereby propose Mc Neil to be condecorated with the SNP 's Great Cross of St. Andrews for his unrelenting support for the Independence cause.
Posted by: Im no really here, but over there on 11:53pm Thu 24 Apr 08
Salmond faces another Labour onslaught? Then he can go home and sleep at ease.
Posted by: Celtic Lion, Roar on  Fri 25 Apr 08
Well he would hardly “bow” to a poor developer would he?! ;-)

This story is done to death. A shame there aren't more CBI quotes about how the screeching coming from the Labour right-wing alliance is risking further investment in Scotland – not that that should concern them while they think they can take back power.

However, in the spirit of playing the game, perhaps we should also discuss Wendy being a criminal. Or Godard using public cash to finance her criminal son. Or all the taxpayer money Labour has stolen (in all but name) from us through Westminster. Or cash for honours. Or the Iraq war. Or the Eccleston affair. Hell, let's discuss Labour's winter of discontent while we're dredging up old stories – oh no sorry, in New Labour's (crazy weirdos) New History it was the SNP who gave us Thatcherism and had nothing to with Callaghan!

God, there is one (one) thing Labour know how to do and that is to ensure nobody who has turned their back on Labour will ever give them another chance. A year in opposition and all they can do is repeat the same press releases without regard for future Scottish investment.
Posted by: soloman, Stirling on 12:01am Fri 25 Apr 08
Offshore Business men, Braehead, Silverburn, £950 dodgey money how about some good stories for a change something with a wee bit of substance maybe even some evidence, go on you know you want to!
Posted by: Vivas, Embra on 12:05am Fri 25 Apr 08
My mistake, I thought this was The Herald website. It's obviously The Scotsman (RIP) , the article headline is the giveaway !
Posted by: Vivas, Embra on 12:08am Fri 25 Apr 08
My mistake, I thought this was The Herald website. It's obviously The Scotsman (RIP) , the article headline is the giveaway !
Posted by: Vivas, Embra on 12:14am Fri 25 Apr 08
Lets go with the SLAB hypothesis for now, just for fun...

And so I have 2 questions for SLAB.

1. Why was their former leader all over Trump like a rash ? Helicopters ... the lot...
http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/hi/scotland/nort
h_east/4936652.stm

2. Do they support the Trump investment or not ? Sitting on the fence is not an option.
Posted by: democrate, central Scotland on 12:16am Fri 25 Apr 08
cauld kail het up, again. Scotland deserves much better service than this.
Posted by: Celtic Lion, Roar on 12:19am Fri 25 Apr 08
My thoughts exactly Vivas (@ 12.08am). What frustrates me about this kind of piece is that, when the dross is trimmed, the story is of no more than a Labour MSP lacking in both courage and conviction to do any more than attribute a point of view about Salmond to an anonymous group of cynics. It is of a quality below that even of the Herald's usual standard.
Posted by: tris, scotland on 12:29am Fri 25 Apr 08
Labour MSP Duncan McNeil told parliament: "Cynics might say: Trump said jump, the First Minister of Scotland said how high?'."



Oh for the wit and originality of Mr McNiel. Wish I'd thought of that quip.

I wonder if he's considered after dinner speaking. He'd pull the place down with this standard of repartee.

What a numpty!
Posted by: wisnaeme, wisnae there on 12:32am Fri 25 Apr 08





... with Labour accusing him of bowing down to wealthy investors.




So..., there's to be a public inquiry and quite right too.

I mean, it's not every day we are treated to a spectacle of politicians, particularly when they're in governance, particularly if it involves a beezness deal of being called to account for their hobnobbing with wealthy investors. I mean, who would have suspected it.
Imagine, politicians bowing and scrapping as if they were royalty. Well, some Arab ones are, apparently.

...and as for a public inquiry that could conceivably cause embarrassment for those erm royal prince's.

Nudge nudge, wink wink.

Not in the public interests, national security and all that, old fruit. What !!
.

Posted by: Vivas, Embra on 12:39am Fri 25 Apr 08
tris wrote:
Labour MSP Duncan McNeil told parliament: "Cynics might say: Trump said jump, the First Minister of Scotland said how high?'."



Oh for the wit and originality of Mr McNiel. Wish I'd thought of that quip.

I wonder if he's considered after dinner speaking. He'd pull the place down with this standard of repartee.

What a numpty!
Offshore business people know that you can get a lot more "jump per pound" from SLAB. As little as 950 quid buys you a heck of a lot of future gratitude and a nice thankyou letter !
Posted by: gavin48, Glasgow on 12:48am Fri 25 Apr 08
A very partisan article from the Herald, very disappointed by falling quality of journalism.
Posted by: Samoyed, Costa del Menie on 12:49am Fri 25 Apr 08
I think I've mention like a million times that Nat's best asset in the fight for Independence can be found in the "loyal" opposition.

I agree with John that the more the insult the intelligence of the Scottish voters with these kind of remarks, the more they help the Nat's cause, as it became personal.

Therefore I hereby propose Mc Neil to be condecorated with the SNP 's Great Cross of St. Andrews for his unrelenting support for the Independence cause.
Posted by: David on 12:51am Fri 25 Apr 08
Wendy your government started the love -in with Trump and I am not averse to inward investment but do not turn on mild mannered Alex Salmond for helping along what you started even though you and yours were pretty well useless at closing the deal.
Posted by: Jock Politicaljunkie, Glasgow on 1:23am Fri 25 Apr 08
I'd rather be called a Cavalier (even if by a numpty)
than be a Crook (eh, Wendy?)

Must be a quiet news day or something for this tosh.

"For the Tories, Mary Scanlon said if it was Labour, Liberal or the Conservatives who were allegedly indulging, manipulating and interfering the planning process, the SNP would be first in the queue for at the very least a committee inquiry and a report to parliament."

Eh, Mary.......maybe nobody told you or you were asleep........the Government has ordered a Public Enquiry . Hardly the actions of people who have been at fault.

"Meanwhile, Martin Ford, who lost his chairmanship of the infrastructure services committee of Aberdeenshire Council after using his casting vote on November 29 to reject the plan, has lost another round of the battle against the proposal.

On December 12 the council agreed to support the application, and with a public local inquiry now planned for June officials suggested that for clarification the council should reaffirm its position as agreed on that date.

Mr Ford moved an amendment that it should reaffirm its decision of November 29. His motion was defeated by 56 votes to five."

I've asked this before - just what was this Eco-Warrior, Luddite doing in that Chair in the first place?? 56 votes to 5!! Can he just not see it?? You do not have the support of the Council OR of your own Libdum Party on this. It's a golf course and housing for goodnessake. It's not a chemical works or nuclear plant.

Politicians have to represent their constituents opinions and every poll I've seen of the Aberdeen and surrounding area shows huge support for this Trump development. So support it Ford, or it's surely time to stand down from politics.
Posted by: Jock Politicaljunkie, Glasgow on 1:24am Fri 25 Apr 08
I'd rather be called a Cavalier (even if by a numpty)
than be a Crook (eh, Wendy?)

Must be a quiet news day or something for this tosh.

"For the Tories, Mary Scanlon said if it was Labour, Liberal or the Conservatives who were allegedly indulging, manipulating and interfering the planning process, the SNP would be first in the queue for at the very least a committee inquiry and a report to parliament."

Eh, Mary.......maybe nobody told you or you were asleep........the Government has ordered a Public Enquiry . Hardly the actions of people who have been at fault.

"Meanwhile, Martin Ford, who lost his chairmanship of the infrastructure services committee of Aberdeenshire Council after using his casting vote on November 29 to reject the plan, has lost another round of the battle against the proposal.

On December 12 the council agreed to support the application, and with a public local inquiry now planned for June officials suggested that for clarification the council should reaffirm its position as agreed on that date.

Mr Ford moved an amendment that it should reaffirm its decision of November 29. His motion was defeated by 56 votes to five."

I've asked this before - just what was this Eco-Warrior, Luddite doing in that Chair in the first place?? 56 votes to 5!! Can he just not see it?? You do not have the support of the Council OR of your own Libdum Party on this. It's a golf course and housing for goodnessake. It's not a chemical works or nuclear plant.

Politicians have to represent their constituents opinions and every poll I've seen of the Aberdeen and surrounding area shows huge support for this Trump development. So support it Ford, or it's surely time to stand down from politics.
Posted by: Murray, British Columbia Canada on 3:28am Fri 25 Apr 08
It was my understanding that Mr Ford acted in the usual way when faced with a tied committee. That is, one votes for the status quo. There is no danger in this, since the aggrieved proposer can appeal. Trump got in a snit and said he wouldn't appeal. At that point the Scottish government, doubtless fearing the potential loss of a big investment, called it in for another look. This was surely quite proper. The previous administration, remember, had gone out of its way to woo Trump into investing, with helicopter rides etc. , so the Salmond government had every right to be similarly concerned. It has asked for a public examination of the proposal, which again is proper, and needs to be done, since folk in government and without will be able to examine the many pros and quite a few cons in the scheme, and maybe make substantial changes to this grandiose piece of Trumpery, to coin a phrase. The opposition have consistently put their foot in it by their behaviour over this, but I must say I'm not surprised.
Posted by: G CRAIGIE, DUNDEE on 4:47am Fri 25 Apr 08
TRUMP SAID JUMP..........There you have it folks,thats the level of intelligence the scottish labour party and the Scottish media accredit the Scottish voter.I was going to be sarcastic and say the article was brilliant ,worthy of Noam Chomsky or John Pilger or suchlike.But,I figured scottish labour and the media already know what patronising,insultin
g garbage this article is peddling.It is the contempt for the Scottish Electorate thats really sickening.....
Posted by: james, dundee on 5:19am Fri 25 Apr 08
Labour's primary school politics will end up ith them standing in the corner for a long, long time. So there!!
Posted by: pencildick on 5:37am Fri 25 Apr 08
Will the Labour party ever let go of the trappings of power,

Will the Labour party ever stop kicking and screaming.

It's almost a year now since they were in power and they just wont let go

The bitterness still spewing from the Labour mouths is sickening to watch.

I hope these bitter bug*gers never get power again.
They obviously feel betrayed by the Scottish public and wont forget.
Posted by: margaretlye, perth on 6:30am Fri 25 Apr 08
I think Mr Trump is America's answer to Robert Maxwell
Posted by: george alexander, north lanarkshire on 6:42am Fri 25 Apr 08
This is an orchestrated campaign by the Unionist media in Scotland.

Over the last few days we have seen support for the SNP increase coupled with extremely good news stories for the SNP with the STUC giving their backing to an independence referendum.

I joked yesterday about the 'Trumper' that appeared on the BBC news website, wondering if it was a kind of political spoiler given the positive vibes that are surrounding the SNP.

Well, what happened next, both The Herald and The Scotsman have run prominent 'Trumper' stories. Both given a prominence and dramatic headline way beyond their merit.

If a Scottish Labour MSP re-launching already discreditted slurs against the SNP is front page news then there won't be much room for anything else.

I simply don't believe that the two Herald journalists 'credited' with this 'article' have had much say in this, as for The Scotsman and the BBC.................
...well...
Posted by: Rodmac, Glasgow, Scotland on 6:58am Fri 25 Apr 08
margaretlye wrote:
I think Mr Trump is America's answer to Robert Maxwell
Margaret lye

Please explain?
Posted by: Macuistean, Isle of Tiree on 7:06am Fri 25 Apr 08
How many more "Nat bashing" stories are we going to get from The Herald and The Scotsman? Is it not the government's job to embrace inward investment if it's for the good of an area or the country? Look at the following way Scotland on Sunday reported the Scottish Executive's interest in Trump's proposed investment.

How Jack of clubs came up trumps for Donald - Scotsman.com News (14 May 2006)

"...based on a dossier of government e-mails, minutes and correspondence between officials and Trump's advisers, obtained by Scotland on Sunday, which reveals the full extent of how the office of the First Minister was put at the disposal of one of America's richest and most controversial men.
...
Under Freedom of Information legislation, Scotland on Sunday has obtained documents from Scottish Enterprise (SE) revealing the government's close working relationship with Trump.
...
The billionaire's golf company was lavished with attention. Two memos released by SE show that - at a cost of £4,800 to the public purse - the agency paid for two helicopter tours of Scotland, taking in the golf course site, as they showed off the country to their deep-pocketed American friends.
...
A further e-mail shows they offered to meet the £40,000-£50,000 cost of a feasibility study into the Menie Links site. Trump's people were impressed, "raving" in August last year about the way enterprise agency officials were courting them. All was set fair for a deal.
...
On September 23 last year, Lorna Jack, American director of Scottish Development International (SDI), an arm of SE, met Trump to discuss what had been termed Project X. "Mr Trump expressed an interest in meeting with the First Minister...to discuss how this project could be brought forward," she wrote in an e-mail back to Scotland. "Could you please ask the minister's team if they would view this as a favourable meeting."
...
SE's courting of Trump was one thing, but for McConnell to get involved personally was another matter.
...
The meeting with Trump was arranged nonetheless. SDI informed Trump that McConnell was "very excited" about his vision for this project."


Did anyone in the former Scottish Executive or in the present Scottish Government break the law? Is Nu Labour for or against this development? Will the Scottish media ever be independent?
Posted by: steve4349, larbet on 7:29am Fri 25 Apr 08
we have reached the stage that gutter jounalisim is supporting labour the gutter party of britian that is corrupt at every level
Posted by: Rodmac, Glasgow, Scotland on 7:37am Fri 25 Apr 08
Any business thinking of investing in Scotland will read this article and think again. They will then invest in a country where any dealings with that country's government will not be the subject of personal attacks, snide and unfounded allegations of bribery and an uncomplicated and democratic planning structure. Above all else, they will not be judged on how they chose to comb their hair.

One wonders if Trump, on reading this concerted attack by opposition msps, would decide to take his investment and jobs elsewhere. He must be bewildered that Labour ,who were willing to move heaven and earth, literally, on his behalf are now taking the opposite view for, what can only be seen as, party political purposes.
Posted by: Quine, aberdeen on 8:01am Fri 25 Apr 08
With an investment in the region of £1billion into Aberdeenshire at stake, I would be more worried if the leader of the country did not get involved in trying to solve problems and barriers to the development going ahead.

My concern about the development is an environmental one, Balmedie is part of a wider dune system skirting the north east coast and steps should be taken to protect it.

If Trump was willing to compromise on that issue, there would be very little opposition to his plans because Aberdeen sorely needs investment in the Tourism sector. Its a lovely area and relatively little known about outwith Aberdeenshire.

So Alex Salmond, I am glad someone is willing to stand up and take the initiative. Or would the Unionists rather that investment go elsewhere? Like Northern Ireland, as Trump has been courting the Goverment over there.
Posted by: redc;liffe62, brisbane on hols on 8:06am Fri 25 Apr 08
and is anyone on newsnight going to ask the questions put so succinctly by macuistean at 7.06 am?

ask the nominated labour "robot" what is the difference between mcconnelll's approach and that of salmond, bearing in mind he is a local rep and as such has a right to have more than a passing interest.....

if the reason to scupper a project is party political, and no other as they were "guilty"of similar support mechanisms then i think the country is worth more than the level of dialogue from pia and co. that has been offered this week.
Posted by: JohnJ, Edinburgh on 8:22am Fri 25 Apr 08
The committees remit should be extended to include the actions of Jack McConnell and the Labour/LibDem Executive with respect to the Trump organisation. The present government only continued a process which was up and running before they came to power.
What about the hire of helicopters for the original Trump tour of the estate, offers of feasability studies paid for by the executive. Did any of these exceed the normal standards of behaviour ?
Posted by: Dr Bill Reynolds, Salo,Finland on 8:31am Fri 25 Apr 08
Having watched the committee work on Holyrood TV,it was clear very early on that Alec Salmond had not sought to influence the planning process and that certain committee members were seeking something to discredit him with.Labours motivation was probably to distract from the Wendy Alexander case and the Liberals aim was probably to distract from the very foolish allegation of sleeze made by Nicol Stephen.His interventions in this matter have caused fury in NE Scotlland,so I well understad why they drafted a Lawyer ,MSP onto the committee.Did they lack confidence in Jimm Tolson ? Mike Russel verry elegantly stated in parliament yesterday that the flimsy report confused opinion with facts and offered innuendo as conclusions.He also pointed out that yesterday,Jackie Baillie (Labour MSP) was meeting the planning officer about a planning issue in Dumbarton.Since the committeee disaporove of this,there appears to be confusion around this situation.

I believe that the only thing that Alec Salmond is guilty of,is caring about his constituents and Scotland.He did not deserve the abuse that was presented as conclusions Something positive should come out of this expensive inquiry.I suggest that:

1) Future investigations into planning issues be conducted by a neutral body
2) Clear guidelines are needed to delineate the circumstances under which ministers and MSP's can talk to investors, and their response to MSP's who approach them with concerns about planning issues.
3) Training should be offered to mSP's in communication skills and committee work since some of them are not up to the job.

I can understand the Greens position on the environment,I cannot understand why the Conservatives got sucked into this.As Brian Adam stated,of course we want scrutiny of these matters.It is the way that it was done that is a concern.I think that the tone of yesterdays debate reduced the stature of our parliament.It is embarrasing to think that people abroad were watching .
Posted by: ex labour voter, glasgow on 8:37am Fri 25 Apr 08
Duncan McNeil's pathetic soundbite is typical of the leibour sleaze and corruption party.
The standard of liebour opposition msp,s is that of total dross.
These scum will try anything to tar the SNP .
Soundbites, scaremongering, illegal donations,cash for honours and
LIES, This is what the liebour party represent.
Posted by: awh, Dumfries on 8:41am Fri 25 Apr 08
It's sad in a way that this has become a party political problem. Trumps application was a bad application that he tried to bulldoze through on the back of his political connections (both Labour and SNP) and his money. Scotland has few enough SSSI's of the type in NE Scotland and it made no reference to the local plan. It was obvious that it would be rejected at the council stage. He's not doing this for Scotland he's doing this because he hopes to make a barrel load of money. Though with the credit crunch who knows.
We need to ensure we have a rigorous planning system for all of our benefit otherwise we will end up with the rich and powerful buliding what they want where they want
Posted by: Donald Anderson, glasgow on 8:43am Fri 25 Apr 08
McConnell didn't jump. He took a helicopter to visit Trump.
Posted by: daveymac, web on 8:50am Fri 25 Apr 08
Headline: Elements from the sleaze and corruption party and backed by their criminal leader accuse salmond of 'interference'.

This is a complete farce.
Where is the evidence? Well since they have no scrap of evidence of any illegal activities unlike Wendy 'the crim' Allblunder this is nothing but a pathetic witchhunt.

It does show fully that Laboutr is bereft of any positive ideas for Scotland and they only have getting back to power at any cost as their 1st and only objective. What an iniquitous bunch of scoundrels. heaven forbid they get ever get re elected into power.
Posted by: Quine, aberdeen on 8:51am Fri 25 Apr 08
I think the SLab MSPs are just miffed that they're no getting the opportunity to gorge themselves in the Trump Trough. Not only would they be jumping to the Trump, they would be making **** sure there was something in it for them.

Prove any wrong doing! Those few Slab supporters left in Aberdeen will surely turn their backs if they jeopardise this development through nothing more than pettiness and spite. The support up here for the Trump plan is huge, and look at the political map and you'l see the SNP are pretty well supported an all.

As a previous Labour voter, it makes me sick to see the lows the will go to to cling to the coat tails of power. Can't come up wi any decent policies? thats ok cos we'll just get our buddies in the press to print the spiteful, anti-scottish guff anyway.

And while we're at it we'll let Wendy Alexander, who was not cavalier in her actions surrounding the Dodgy Donations, but who was just downright sleekit, away wi it cos she "didnae ken she wiz daen onyhing rang like". Is that the culture within Slab is it?

Its a good job my SNP membership has just come through the door this morning, reminds me why I even bother caring in the first place.
Posted by: Quine, aberdeen on 8:59am Fri 25 Apr 08
And what the fcuk is wrong withthe word d@mn? C'mon Herald. Gies a break.
Posted by: soloman, Stirling on 9:00am Fri 25 Apr 08
Duncan McNeil can't be blamed fot this episode, he's just carrying out orders from the Westminsters McChaterrring Donkeys.
Hee haw hee haw hee hawalways does as he's told.
Posted by: The Voice of Reason, Blairgowrie on 9:07am Fri 25 Apr 08
If a cavalier approach brings benefit to Scotland then don't take it as anything other than a compliment Alex. I've had enough of the red roundheads in London plodding a 50-year barmy new model of dire dreary politics here. Perch a feather in yer hat Alex, wax yer 'tache, saddle yer horse and ride roughshod over all of the red-tape Westminster has devised to hold this country back.

And a Labour claim that Eck bends to the wealthy is only a reflection on the society they have helped devise since '97. Bending is one thing, but Labour have been prostrate - awarding over 400 gongs and mini-gongs to the Donald Trumps of this world.

As Terry Griffiths might say "Pot. Black. Kettle."
Posted by: iang on 9:10am Fri 25 Apr 08
After 11 years of Labour courting favour with property developers, all those involved in the donations rows north and south of the border are large scale property people, it is farcical for Alexander or any other labouright should try to criticise anyone.
Posted by: McSomeone, Scotland on 9:20am Fri 25 Apr 08
Coming from nulabour that has the reputation of having the cheapest politicians available on the international market, that's a tad rich!
Posted by: Duns Scotus, The Borders on 9:36am Fri 25 Apr 08
Luigi wrote:
Mrs I P Knightly wrote: It nice to know this newspaper believes in recycling.
It certainly does - well said, Mrs Knightly. Quite a few trees have died in vain, however.
The Herald's Unionist roots are showing.
Posted by: GML, right here on 9:43am Fri 25 Apr 08
One more time:

Which First Minister met with Trump in New York, publicly supported the development proposal, and paid for Trump to fly over Balmedie in a helicopter.....that would be Jack McConnell.

Would a Lab/Lib adminstration have called in the application? Of course.

Do the owners of the Herald think that insulting the intelligence of the readers is a good way to sustain interest in a broadsheet newspaper? Without credibility, a serious newspaper has no raison d'etre.
Posted by: Lachlan, Stirling on 9:51am Fri 25 Apr 08
I suspect Gallus Alex will not lie awake at night worrying about the prospect of another collective onslaught by the ineffectual Scots
Unionist parties?

To paraphrase Denis Healy: "....an attack by Scots Unionists politicians must be like being savaged by a dead sheep!"
Posted by: Lachlan, Stirling on 9:52am Fri 25 Apr 08
I suspect Gallus Alex will not lie awake at night worrying about the prospect of another collective onslaught by the ineffectual Scots
Unionist parties?

To paraphrase Denis Healy: "....an attack by Scots Unionists politicians must be like being savaged by a dead sheep!"
Posted by: stevie, glasgow on 10:06am Fri 25 Apr 08
I'm of the opinion that this affair was badly handled by Alex Salmond and John Swinney .
They meant well but in the rush to sort things out they have left themselves open to criticism,.
Personally I have no problem with any investor putting forward proposals that bring investment to Scotland. But Trump has over inflated(with the help of others) the amount that he is bringing to this part of the North East,I also have reservations over the whole of Aberdeen council,not only can they not manage any budget they set but they are riven with petty greed and disputes.
I can only hope that this was the real reason that the A.S & Co called in the application.
Posted by: Disgusted Dorothy, Glasgow on 10:25am Fri 25 Apr 08
Dear God!
How many times are we going to get this regurgitated nonsense?
Does the Herald think that continually supporting Labour it is gaining friends?
As for Trump, since there is going to be an enquiry , why in the name of the wee man do we get yet another article , sponsored by labour , in this paper.
Aberdeen seems to want this investment, Jack Mc Connell seems to want this investment, where is the problem?
HAVE LABOUR NOTHING BETTER TO DO WITH THEIR TIME?~
IF THE ANSWER TO THAT IS " YES" THEN PERHAPS WE CAN ALL DO WITHOUT LABOUR>
I have heard NO comment from the labour leader on the 105 tax issue.
Has she nothing to say?
I am still waiting for the e-mails to be published , which "exonerate" her regarding ILLEGAL donations.
As for the ever flitatious Tavish and Nicol (the Nose ) Stevens lets hear it for the Aberdeen by pass eh?
Posted by: nostress, grangemouth on 10:30am Fri 25 Apr 08
"Cynics might say: Trump said jump, the First Minister of Scotland said how high?'."

Cynics might say: London said crawl, Scottish Labour said thank you master.
Posted by: Rab The Ranter, Ayrshire on 10:38am Fri 25 Apr 08
"Of Slimeball Salmond"

Oh what a tangled web we weave in order to deceive.

Vile politicians in smoked filled rooms doing dodgey deals.

Q: Am I surprised?
A: NO
Posted by: teamdroid on 11:02am Fri 25 Apr 08
stevie wrote:
I'm of the opinion that this affair was badly handled by Alex Salmond and John Swinney .
They meant well but in the rush to sort things out they have left themselves open to criticism,.
Personally I have no problem with any investor putting forward proposals that bring investment to Scotland. But Trump has over inflated(with the help of others) the amount that he is bringing to this part of the North East,I also have reservations over the whole of Aberdeen council,not only can they not manage any budget they set but they are riven with petty greed and disputes.
I can only hope that this was the real reason that the A.S & Co called in the application.
Um, Aberdeen council may indeed have been riven with petty greed, disputes and incompetence, stevie. However, but they've got nothing directly to do with the Trump development - that's in Aberdeenshire Council's area...
Posted by: Dr Bill Reynolds, Salo,Finland on 11:04am Fri 25 Apr 08
The best speach yesterday came from Mike Russel.He pointed out that the committe report confused opinion with fact and presented evidence and conclusions in the form of innuendo.An example was the statement from Brown (Liberal,MSP) who stated:

"The overall picture of the current Scottish government is one of breathtaking arrogance with staggering ineptitude which impeded this application."

Of course if you say something often enough some people will believe it,.An example on this site came from Stevie,Glasgow.Howev
er there is no evidence that Alec Salmond sought to influence the planning process.Brown's denigration of Salmond is presented as a fact,and his assumption that the Scottish governments actions in any way impeded the application is not shared by anyone who gave evidence,or outside sources,such as a CBI spokesman ,and many others in the North East of Scotland.I can only conclude that he is trying to divert attention from the unfair and stupid sleeze allegations made by his party leader,who must rue the day that he opened his mouth.I can understand the political motives but it is rather sad.It is a real pity that Nicol Stevens cannot be gracious enough to apologise to Alec Salmond.

There is also a need to frre any future First Minister from this nonsense.I expect a First Minister(irrespectiv
e of party) to be free to talk to developers and to address the concerns of MSP's.Providing they do not influence the planning process this should be okay.Otherwise we are restraining them from doing their job.Never again do I want to see a First Minister subjected to a witchhunt.It does give a very bad impression abroad and is counterproductive.
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 11:25am Fri 25 Apr 08

"The overall picture of the current Scottish government is one of breathtaking arrogance with staggering ineptitude which impeded this application."
That statement could easily sum up ninety percent of Unionist flavoured comments on these forums.

It certainly describes the Labour party's attitude which believes it self the natural ruler of Scotland. You can hear it in the utterances of Browne and Cairns.

But as a statement supposedly coming from an objective group of politicians conducting an inquiry it is staggering abusive. It makes a subjective, moral judgment they were not employed to make, nor express.

The intellectual standard of some of our politicians is lamentable.

Posted by: Duns Scotus, The Borders on 11:32am Fri 25 Apr 08
I award Messrs Dinwoodie and Smith the Greyfriars Bobby medal for tenaciously clinging to a dead duck of a story.
Posted by: interstellarmince, outer-space on 11:34am Fri 25 Apr 08
ex labour voter wrote:
Duncan McNeil's pathetic soundbite is typical of the leibour sleaze and corruption party. The standard of liebour opposition msp,s is that of total dross. These scum will try anything to tar the SNP . Soundbites, scaremongering, illegal donations,cash for honours and LIES, This is what the liebour party represent.
A large proportion of Liebour incumbents are also criminals.
Posted by: IainGlasgow07, glasgow on 12:13pm Fri 25 Apr 08
What state do all these critics think the economy would be in if it were not for wealthy investors like Trump, Souter, Branson, Sugar, et al creating growth and employm