Salmond takes his national conversation to the STUC
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| CONFERENCE DEBUT: Just one delegate stood to applaud Alex Salmond, but that was one more than Wendy Alexander |
The First Minister yesterday appealed to the Scottish Trades Union Congress to help persuade people to keep an open mind about independence during the SNP's "national conversation".
He praised the STUC's unimpeachable historical
credentials on home rule, in contrast to those who spent their entire political lives campaigning for self-determination for every country on the planet with the sole exception of Scotland.
Mr Salmond's address to the STUC 111th annual congress, being held in Inverness, paid testimony to the body's deep commitment to Scotland which stretched back long before the SNP was even formed.
"The STUC pursued a policy of self-government for Scotland when it wasn't fashionable. Looking back through the annals of the history of this congress, I found that in 1918 the delegates were pursuing separate Scottish representation at Treaty of Versailles after the First World War because of the particular aspects that they wanted to give to the peace negotiations.
"Through periods when no mainstream political party was at all interested in the cause of Scottish self-government, the STUC was the organisation which kept the flame burning year after year at the STUC congress.
"Now everybody and their auntie is in favour of more powers for the Scottish Parliament and therefore it is entirely fitting and appropriate that this congress welcomes
discussions, arguments and debates which don't foreclose any option."
Mr Salmond, the first SNP leader to address the STUC, said he was delighted that it had welcomed his party's national conversation about the future of Scottish government and saw a particular role for the body.
He said: "I am sure that the STUC will prevail on others not to close their minds to independence as a political objective."
He said the history of the STUC had shown that it believed these were matters that the Scottish people were entitled to determine for themselves, founded on the principles of self-determination.
"I have met a range of
people in my political career who had a dualistic attitude to the question of self-determination. There was the self-determination they supported for every other community of nations around the world, except in the case of Scotland when they found the concept of self-determination difficult."
The STUC had never adopted this dualistic approach. It had always sought the same rights and entitlements for Scotland it would wish for any other country, he said.
Meanwhile, Wendy Alexander, the Holyrood Labour leader, also appealed directly to the shared history of the trade union movement and the Labour Party which together had helped change the course of history.
She promised that the STUC's voice would be listened to in the commission Labour had help set up to examine Scotland's constitutional future.
She attacked the SNP government for being "propped up" by the Tories. She added: "This weekend, Alex Salmond told his own conference that if he wins 20 seats at Westminster, London would be forced to dance to a Scottish jig. It's break-dancing Mr Salmond is more interested in, breaking up the UK in jig-time."
Ms Alexander told the
conference: "The fact that the SNP are so keen to talk up the Tories should ring alarm bells across Scotland.
"Have the SNP learned nothing in the 30 years since 1979 - when they put the Tories into power ushering in Thatcherism - and now it seems they are wanting to repeat the same thing all over again?"
Already there was much to be concerned about, she said. "In Alex Salmond's Scotland some people are indeed more equal than others. The Trump Organisation, Macdonald Hotels in Aviemore, ScottishPower - all big businesses with a special pass to the corridors of SNP power."
The Scottish Government disregarded "the most basic levels" of transparency scrutiny and accountability in the letting of the contract for rail services, and ignored a request by unions to discuss a £150m contract for 120 railway
carriages, she said.
"We don't need a special access government in Scotland that favours its friends."
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Posted by: Jimbo on 11:18pm Tue 22 Apr 08
Endy Alexander
[quote]"We don't need a special access government in Scotland that favours its friends."[/quote]
Endy Alexander advocating we don't vote for her brown envelope/greased palm Labour Party.
Endy Alexander
"We don't need a special access government in Scotland that favours its friends."
Endy Alexander advocating we don't vote for her brown envelope/greased palm Labour Party.
Posted by: tris, scotland on 11:32pm Tue 22 Apr 08
[quote]Have the SNP learned nothing in the 30 years since 1979 - when they put the Tories into power ushering in Thatcherism[/quote]
[italic][bold]What?[/bold][/italic]
Have the SNP learned nothing in the 30 years since 1979 - when they put the Tories into power ushering in Thatcherism
What?
Posted by: David on 11:50pm Tue 22 Apr 08
[bold]Wendy. Remember the ground nut Scheme? Wendy you are a Tartan Tory. Goodbye![/bold]
Wendy. Remember the ground nut Scheme? Wendy you are a Tartan Tory. Goodbye! Posted by: Sean Connery for President, Perth on 11:50pm Tue 22 Apr 08
[quote][bold]tris[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Have the SNP learned nothing in the 30 years since 1979 - when they put the Tories into power ushering in Thatcherism[/quote] [italic][bold]What?[/bold][/italic] [/quote] Much that the sentiment expressed by the Bendy one is a bit disingenuous. It is a worthwhile jibe from SLAB, connecting the SNP to Thatcher can do nothing but good for them - some of us remember the wholesale rape of Scottish manufacturing industry by Thatcher as well as the circumstances on how she got into power. Jim Callaghan gained a motion of no confidence over Scottish Devolution forcing a general election which Thatcher won. If I have my history correct, Labour blamed (and continues to do so) the SNP as the catalyst for the motion - nothing to do with 'the winter of discontent then eh!'.
The statement still comes up from time to time and should really be dealt with by the SNP, otherwise it's a sure fire vote winner for SLAB. Even though Thatcher has been out for power for 18 years now - thankfully
tris wrote:
Have the SNP learned nothing in the 30 years since 1979 - when they put the Tories into power ushering in Thatcherism
What?
Much that the sentiment expressed by the Bendy one is a bit disingenuous. It is a worthwhile jibe from SLAB, connecting the SNP to Thatcher can do nothing but good for them - some of us remember the wholesale rape of Scottish manufacturing industry by Thatcher as well as the circumstances on how she got into power. Jim Callaghan gained a motion of no confidence over Scottish Devolution forcing a general election which Thatcher won. If I have my history correct, Labour blamed (and continues to do so) the SNP as the catalyst for the motion - nothing to do with 'the winter of discontent then eh!'.
The statement still comes up from time to time and should really be dealt with by the SNP, otherwise it's a sure fire vote winner for SLAB. Even though Thatcher has been out for power for 18 years now - thankfully
Posted by: Duns Scotus, The Borders on 11:57pm Tue 22 Apr 08
[quote]Meanwhile, Wendy Alexander, the Holyrood Labour leader, also appealed directly to the shared history of the trade union movement and the Labour Party which together had helped [bold]change the course of history.[/bold][/quote] Aye, the takeover of Scotland's industry (and for the Labour movement in Scotland surely the most shameful was the demise of the SCWS), the destruction of communities across the country with boarded up shops and feral youths roaming the streets, a dependency culture ... och I could go on but it's bedtime.
One day closer to 1st May - defeat for Broon and the [bold]Endy Wendy[/bold] .
Meanwhile, Wendy Alexander, the Holyrood Labour leader, also appealed directly to the shared history of the trade union movement and the Labour Party which together had helped change the course of history.
Aye, the takeover of Scotland's industry (and for the Labour movement in Scotland surely the most shameful was the demise of the SCWS), the destruction of communities across the country with boarded up shops and feral youths roaming the streets, a dependency culture ... och I could go on but it's bedtime.
One day closer to 1st May - defeat for Broon and the
Endy Wendy .
Posted by: Old Tam, Glasgow on Wed 23 Apr 08
[quote][bold]tris[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Have the SNP learned nothing in the 30 years since 1979 - when they put the Tories into power ushering in Thatcherism[/quote] [italic][bold]What?[/bold][/italic] [/quote] As I remember it, there were piles of bin bags on every street, the fire engines were green and Healey had the IMF on the phone. Nothing to do with the SNP. Plus Labour had come to the end of their term and had little choice but to call an election.
tris wrote:
Have the SNP learned nothing in the 30 years since 1979 - when they put the Tories into power ushering in Thatcherism
What?
As I remember it, there were piles of bin bags on every street, the fire engines were green and Healey had the IMF on the phone. Nothing to do with the SNP. Plus Labour had come to the end of their term and had little choice but to call an election.
Posted by: Jimbo on 12:06am Wed 23 Apr 08
Why have they pulled the story about salmond's speech to the STUC?
Why have they pulled the story about salmond's speech to the STUC?
Posted by: Sean Connery for President, Perth on 12:12am Wed 23 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Jimbo[/bold] wrote:
Why have they pulled the story about salmond's speech to the STUC?[/quote] It was a Scoop and they didn't wan't the Daily Ranger to get hold of it :-)
Jimbo wrote:
Why have they pulled the story about salmond's speech to the STUC?
It was a Scoop and they didn't wan't the Daily Ranger to get hold of it :-)
Posted by: DJ, Glasgow on 12:14am Wed 23 Apr 08
I really cant understand why people are interested in talking to these dinosaurs. The sooner they go the better.
If 'Eck wants to hit his goal of a more efficient public service then he has to get rid of these union types who support incompetent and lazy people in the public sector. Dont get me wrong, the majority in the public sector work hard, its the significant minority who they cant get rid of because the unions threaten strike action if they do. How about getting the trade unions to say "if someone is incompetent they should be sacked"? Nothing worse than seeing politicians kissing these union backsides.
I really cant understand why people are interested in talking to these dinosaurs. The sooner they go the better.
If 'Eck wants to hit his goal of a more efficient public service then he has to get rid of these union types who support incompetent and lazy people in the public sector. Dont get me wrong, the majority in the public sector work hard, its the significant minority who they cant get rid of because the unions threaten strike action if they do. How about getting the trade unions to say "if someone is incompetent they should be sacked"? Nothing worse than seeing politicians kissing these union backsides.
Posted by: Brian Hill, Edinburgh on 12:18am Wed 23 Apr 08
Alex Salmond, first SNP leader ever to address the STUC and as Scotland's Prime Minister no less.
At the same time UK Prime Minister Brown gets a standing ovation from only 50/60 out of 300 delegates.
Meanwhile in desperation Wendy drags up the old chestnut about the SNP putting Thatcher in power, conveniently forgetting Callaghan's broken pledge to the SNP and Scotland. They had no choice but to bring his rag, tag and bobtail government down.
Labour are in trouble deep as May 1st will confirm. It could spell the end for Gordon and Wendy.
Alex Salmond, first SNP leader ever to address the STUC and as Scotland's Prime Minister no less.
At the same time UK Prime Minister Brown gets a standing ovation from only 50/60 out of 300 delegates.
Meanwhile in desperation Wendy drags up the old chestnut about the SNP putting Thatcher in power, conveniently forgetting Callaghan's broken pledge to the SNP and Scotland. They had no choice but to bring his rag, tag and bobtail government down.
Labour are in trouble deep as May 1st will confirm. It could spell the end for Gordon and Wendy.
Posted by: HenMcStoorie, Port William on 12:27am Wed 23 Apr 08
DJ..
Was that a backhanded compliment for the SNP?
Naw ah must be dreamin!
DJ..
Was that a backhanded compliment for the SNP?
Naw ah must be dreamin!
Posted by: Ronald, Glasgow on 12:45am Wed 23 Apr 08
Best not mention THE TORY'S Wendy. After all, who was it who
invited THE BARMY BARONESS - MARGARET HILDA THATCHER to
No Ten? And remind us which Party recently coluded to continue the
selling off Scotttish Council and Housing Association's Social
Housing ?
Best not mention THE TORY'S Wendy. After all, who was it who
invited THE BARMY BARONESS - MARGARET HILDA THATCHER to
No Ten? And remind us which Party recently coluded to continue the
selling off Scotttish Council and Housing Association's Social
Housing ?
Posted by: Dave, Away on 1:33am Wed 23 Apr 08
"She added: "This weekend, Alex Salmond told his own conference that if he wins 20 seats at Westminster, London would be forced to dance to a Scottish jig. It's break-dancing Mr Salmond is more interested in, breaking up the UK in jig-time.""
She's back on form! More! More!
"She added: "This weekend, Alex Salmond told his own conference that if he wins 20 seats at Westminster, London would be forced to dance to a Scottish jig. It's break-dancing Mr Salmond is more interested in, breaking up the UK in jig-time.""
She's back on form! More! More!
Posted by: G CRAIGIE, DUNDEE on 1:37am Wed 23 Apr 08
Thatcher was down and out until the [phoney] Falklands war ,and guess who supported her war,Michael Foot's labour party;and thats about as left wing as labour ever were.Thats the one positive achievement of Thacher,to expose the labour party and the unions as the class traitors and cowards they really are.Within a year of the Falklands the assault on the working class had begun.Arthur Scargill was asked years later why he thought the other unions did not help him in his fight,Arthur blamed the union leaders,then asked if he was surprised by the ,now known fact,that out of the 29 unions at that time 23 of their leaders were talking to MI5. Arthur said he was surprised,he thought it would have been more......
Thatcher was down and out until the Falklands war ,and guess who supported her war,Michael Foot's labour party;and thats about as left wing as labour ever were.Thats the one positive achievement of Thacher,to expose the labour party and the unions as the class traitors and cowards they really are.Within a year of the Falklands the assault on the working class had begun.Arthur Scargill was asked years later why he thought the other unions did not help him in his fight,Arthur blamed the union leaders,then asked if he was surprised by the ,now known fact,that out of the 29 unions at that time 23 of their leaders were talking to MI5. Arthur said he was surprised,he thought it would have been more......
Posted by: Dave, Away on 1:38am Wed 23 Apr 08
It should be remembered that Wendy is a:
[bold][italic]Wendyist[/italic] [/bold] socialist. It's rather like a
Russian socialist. Those loyal to Wendy are favoured, those
disloyal are sent to Aberdeen.....
I'm still loyal Wendy!!
It should be remembered that Wendy is a:
Wendyist socialist. It's rather like a
Russian socialist. Those loyal to Wendy are favoured, those
disloyal are sent to Aberdeen.....
I'm still loyal Wendy!!
Posted by: Jimbo on 1:42am Wed 23 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Ronald[/bold] wrote:
Best not mention THE TORY'S Wendy. After all, who was it who invited THE BARMY BARONESS - MARGARET HILDA THATCHER to No Ten? And remind us which Party recently coluded to continue the selling off Scotttish Council and Housing Association's Social Housing ?[/quote] Not to mention which party leader who conspired with his acolytes and their Liberal pals in an attempt to put a Tory First Minister in Holyrood rather than let the SNP form a government.
What is Alexander's problem with The Trump Organisation and MacDonald Hotels?
The Trump Organisation have given no money or backing to the SNP. They want to invest over £1 billion in this country with a spin off of hundreds of jobs. Would Alexander prefer it if they took their money elsewhere?
The MacDonald Hotels project in Aviemore was being held back by one of Alexander's donors at a cost of £millions and the potential loss of 400 jobs. Would Alexander have preferred it if the whole project had gone down the tubes? The owner of this company once gave £30,000 to the SNP. So what?
What of the dozens of English businessmen who have donated mega £millions to the UK Labour Party, which is then spent on their Scottish election campaigns? Are they to be treated with respect whilst anyone wishing to invest in Scotland is to be maligned?
Ronald wrote:
Best not mention THE TORY'S Wendy. After all, who was it who invited THE BARMY BARONESS - MARGARET HILDA THATCHER to No Ten? And remind us which Party recently coluded to continue the selling off Scotttish Council and Housing Association's Social Housing ?
Not to mention which party leader who conspired with his acolytes and their Liberal pals in an attempt to put a Tory First Minister in Holyrood rather than let the SNP form a government.
What is Alexander's problem with The Trump Organisation and MacDonald Hotels?
The Trump Organisation have given no money or backing to the SNP. They want to invest over £1 billion in this country with a spin off of hundreds of jobs. Would Alexander prefer it if they took their money elsewhere?
The MacDonald Hotels project in Aviemore was being held back by one of Alexander's donors at a cost of £millions and the potential loss of 400 jobs. Would Alexander have preferred it if the whole project had gone down the tubes? The owner of this company once gave £30,000 to the SNP. So what?
What of the dozens of English businessmen who have donated mega £millions to the UK Labour Party, which is then spent on their Scottish election campaigns? Are they to be treated with respect whilst anyone wishing to invest in Scotland is to be maligned?
Posted by: talorthane on 3:03am Wed 23 Apr 08
Excellent, excellent, excellent !!!
The more time that Wendy Alexander and Gordon Brown spend attacking the SNP, the more obvious is the gulf between them and a governing party that has a set of positive and exciting ambitions for the country.
How demeaning is it for the UK Prime Minister to spend a major proportion of his speech having a go at the guy scheduled to beon the same the next day?
And how irrelevant does Wnedy Alexander come across in the story above?
As for Salmond, from the other story, a delegate conceded: "If that had been a Labour leader he would have got a standing ovation but I am afraid Mr Salmond was never going to get one, not this year at least."
They may not have pledged allegience to the SNP (not this year at least), but they listened to someone that they found they could respect.
Excellent, excellent, excellent !!!
The more time that Wendy Alexander and Gordon Brown spend attacking the SNP, the more obvious is the gulf between them and a governing party that has a set of positive and exciting ambitions for the country.
How demeaning is it for the UK Prime Minister to spend a major proportion of his speech having a go at the guy scheduled to beon the same the next day?
And how irrelevant does Wnedy Alexander come across in the story above?
As for Salmond, from the other story, a delegate conceded: "If that had been a Labour leader he would have got a standing ovation but I am afraid Mr Salmond was never going to get one, not this year at least."
They may not have pledged allegience to the SNP (not this year at least), but they listened to someone that they found they could respect.
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 3:04am Wed 23 Apr 08
[quote][bold]DJ[/bold] wrote:
I really cant understand why people are interested in talking to these dinosaurs. The sooner they go the better.
If 'Eck wants to hit his goal of a more efficient public service then he has to get rid of these union types who support incompetent and lazy people in the public sector. Dont get me wrong, the majority in the public sector work hard, its the significant minority who they cant get rid of because the unions threaten strike action if they do. How about getting the trade unions to say "if someone is incompetent they should be sacked"? Nothing worse than seeing politicians kissing these union backsides.[/quote] Having been a shop steward for a union in the public sector may I say that the union's job is to police the contract. Management is perfectly entitled to discipline members up to and including dismissal.
If there are lazy and incompetent workers then this is the fault of management rather than the unions. Within the disciplinary process the unions role is to ensure procedures and precedents are applied fairly and within the scope of collective agreements.
It is hardly in workers interests to have lazy and incompetent colleagues - that just makes the job more difficult for everyone else. The reality, of course, is that some workers are protected by management for various reasons: nepotism, cronyism, sycophancy, and gross managerial incompetence.
There still exists, however, a view that unions exercising any kind of power within society is somehow illegitimate. This view seems to think it is perfectly correct for politicians to entertain ideas put forward by business leaders but that union leaders should be ignored.
This view is happiest when a Thatcher, a Reagan, a Bush, a Blair, or a Brown is running things. Luckily, this is Scotland.
DJ wrote:
I really cant understand why people are interested in talking to these dinosaurs. The sooner they go the better.
If 'Eck wants to hit his goal of a more efficient public service then he has to get rid of these union types who support incompetent and lazy people in the public sector. Dont get me wrong, the majority in the public sector work hard, its the significant minority who they cant get rid of because the unions threaten strike action if they do. How about getting the trade unions to say "if someone is incompetent they should be sacked"? Nothing worse than seeing politicians kissing these union backsides.
Having been a shop steward for a union in the public sector may I say that the union's job is to police the contract. Management is perfectly entitled to discipline members up to and including dismissal.
If there are lazy and incompetent workers then this is the fault of management rather than the unions. Within the disciplinary process the unions role is to ensure procedures and precedents are applied fairly and within the scope of collective agreements.
It is hardly in workers interests to have lazy and incompetent colleagues - that just makes the job more difficult for everyone else. The reality, of course, is that some workers are protected by management for various reasons: nepotism, cronyism, sycophancy, and gross managerial incompetence.
There still exists, however, a view that unions exercising any kind of power within society is somehow illegitimate. This view seems to think it is perfectly correct for politicians to entertain ideas put forward by business leaders but that union leaders should be ignored.
This view is happiest when a Thatcher, a Reagan, a Bush, a Blair, or a Brown is running things. Luckily, this is Scotland.
Posted by: Donald Anderson, glasgow on 3:09am Wed 23 Apr 08
So Wendy has given up her anti Scottish Tory Alliance against Scottish Democracy? Labour was behind the closure of the Scottish based Trade Unions and the SCWS for fear of them turning Independent. It was Brian Wilson's "Scotland is British" campaign that held up Devolution in 1979. Brian has now joined the Labour and Unionist Celtic Board with John Reid and co.
Labour has a long history of voting with the Tories against Scottish interests, not to mention outdoing theTories in right wing and Imperialist policies.
So Wendy has given up her anti Scottish Tory Alliance against Scottish Democracy? Labour was behind the closure of the Scottish based Trade Unions and the SCWS for fear of them turning Independent. It was Brian Wilson's "Scotland is British" campaign that held up Devolution in 1979. Brian has now joined the Labour and Unionist Celtic Board with John Reid and co.
Labour has a long history of voting with the Tories against Scottish interests, not to mention outdoing theTories in right wing and Imperialist policies.
Posted by: Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 4:35am Wed 23 Apr 08
[quote][bold]tris[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Have the SNP learned nothing in the 30 years since 1979 - when they put the Tories into power ushering in Thatcherism[/quote] [italic][bold]What?[/bold][/italic] [/quote] It's been said before - the nats obviously have enlisted the help of their kids with their cybering as evidenced once again by Tris.
Lets just make it clear - the nats delivered us Thatcher - lock, stock and two smoking barrels.
The nats are to blame for the economic wipeout that followed.
It's as simple as that, and yes, we will be shouting it from the rooftops.
Nats = Shameless Tartan Tories
tris wrote:
Have the SNP learned nothing in the 30 years since 1979 - when they put the Tories into power ushering in Thatcherism
What?
It's been said before - the nats obviously have enlisted the help of their kids with their cybering as evidenced once again by Tris.
Lets just make it clear - the nats delivered us Thatcher - lock, stock and two smoking barrels.
The nats are to blame for the economic wipeout that followed.
It's as simple as that, and yes, we will be shouting it from the rooftops.
Nats = Shameless Tartan Tories
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 4:49am Wed 23 Apr 08
Look at me Ah'ma Troll!
Aye - Its been said before - the nats obviously have enlisted the help of God himself they're given us such a bollokin..
Lets be absolutely clear - the nats delivered - lock, stock and two smoking barrels.
The nats are responsible for our political wipeout - them - and our lying, cheating ways.
It's as simple as that, and yes, we will be shouting it from the rooftops.
Nats = Scotland's voice in the world
Look at me Ah'ma Troll!
Aye - Its been said before - the nats obviously have enlisted the help of God himself they're given us such a bollokin..
Lets be absolutely clear - the nats delivered - lock, stock and two smoking barrels.
The nats are responsible for our political wipeout - them - and our lying, cheating ways.
It's as simple as that, and yes, we will be shouting it from the rooftops.
Nats = Scotland's voice in the world
Posted by: james, dundee on 5:02am Wed 23 Apr 08
Proud to be Sub-nation.
New labour are the true inheritors of the mantle of Thatcherism.
Privatisation, cash for honours, bailing our the banks by squeezing the poor, marginalisation of the Unions whilst cozying up to the bosses, failing to tax the super rich, failng to reform the house of lords, hiding behind procedures to prevent the scandals of expense rigging by Mps. The illegal prosecution of war in Iraq,
Thats before we get onto the Scottish parliament, where cronyism, went hand in hand with criminal activity and grand scale corruption, in the rewarding of contracts.
Despite the bleatings of the Labour numpties(for thats what they are), the electorate are beginnig to see that Labour are no longer the 'Natural' party of governance.
The fog is clearing and fools like PTBS have been exposed as enemies of their own people.
Self loathing and the Scottish cringe are the preserve of the SLAB.
Proud to be Sub-nation.
New labour are the true inheritors of the mantle of Thatcherism.
Privatisation, cash for honours, bailing our the banks by squeezing the poor, marginalisation of the Unions whilst cozying up to the bosses, failing to tax the super rich, failng to reform the house of lords, hiding behind procedures to prevent the scandals of expense rigging by Mps. The illegal prosecution of war in Iraq,
Thats before we get onto the Scottish parliament, where cronyism, went hand in hand with criminal activity and grand scale corruption, in the rewarding of contracts.
Despite the bleatings of the Labour numpties(for thats what they are), the electorate are beginnig to see that Labour are no longer the 'Natural' party of governance.
The fog is clearing and fools like PTBS have been exposed as enemies of their own people.
Self loathing and the Scottish cringe are the preserve of the SLAB.
Posted by: ex labour voter, glasgow on 6:27am Wed 23 Apr 08
The bent wee crook has spoken. Scaremongering and lies roll out of her ugly face . Nowt to offer but twisted nonsence and ?
nothing but utter crap.
proud to be a ****. WTF are you on you sad kunt.
The bent wee crook has spoken. Scaremongering and lies roll out of her ugly face . Nowt to offer but twisted nonsence and ?
nothing but utter crap.
proud to be a ****. WTF are you on you sad kunt.
Posted by: Samoyed, Costa del Menie on 6:45am Wed 23 Apr 08
Hey! Pish to be sprayed....Never mind, suddenly I can't see the point of making wood out of a fallen tree.
Please Sir, receive our most kindest condolences, Requiest Cant In Pacem.
Hey! Pish to be sprayed....Never mind, suddenly I can't see the point of making wood out of a fallen tree.
Please Sir, receive our most kindest condolences, Requiest Cant In Pacem.
Posted by: Samoyed, Costa del Menie on 6:45am Wed 23 Apr 08
Hey! Pish to be sprayed....Never mind, suddenly I can't see the point of making wood out of a fallen tree.
Please Sir, receive our most kindest condolences, Requiest Cant In Pacem.
Hey! Pish to be sprayed....Never mind, suddenly I can't see the point of making wood out of a fallen tree.
Please Sir, receive our most kindest condolences, Requiest Cant In Pacem.
Posted by: Samoyed, Costa del Menie on 6:47am Wed 23 Apr 08
Hey! Pish to be sprayed....Never mind, suddenly I can't see the point of making wood out of a fallen tree.
Please Sir, receive our most kindest condolences, Requiest Cant In Pacem.
Hey! Pish to be sprayed....Never mind, suddenly I can't see the point of making wood out of a fallen tree.
Please Sir, receive our most kindest condolences, Requiest Cant In Pacem.
Posted by: ex labour voter, glasgow on 6:47am Wed 23 Apr 08
Why did the herald not give bent wendy a separate story all to herself?
Did the herald think it would make the corrupt liebour party north british branch leader,ha,ha, look better if they flung her mince in with the FM,s fantastic speech to the last of the liebour planks who continue to be deluded and deceived by her westmonster masters.
Why did the herald not give bent wendy a separate story all to herself?
Did the herald think it would make the corrupt liebour party north british branch leader,ha,ha, look better if they flung her mince in with the FM,s fantastic speech to the last of the liebour planks who continue to be deluded and deceived by her westmonster masters.
Posted by: steve4349, larbet on 7:07am Wed 23 Apr 08
why does she bother, the women is the clown of british politics,she thrashes around like a worm on a fishing hook
why does she bother, the women is the clown of british politics,she thrashes around like a worm on a fishing hook
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 7:22am Wed 23 Apr 08
Proud To Be Skittish[quote]Shameless[/quote] As a thicko troll with multi-personalities and a moronic turn of phrase, you certainly are shameless.
Proud To Be Skittish
Shameless
As a thicko troll with multi-personalities and a moronic turn of phrase, you certainly are shameless.
Posted by: pehman, sussex on 7:30am Wed 23 Apr 08
I thought I'd have a look at how the daily record reported this.
13 lines, inc the headline, but does say Alex beat wendy but unions still back slab
I thought I'd have a look at how the daily record reported this.
13 lines, inc the headline, but does say Alex beat wendy but unions still back slab
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 7:33am Wed 23 Apr 08
Connery For Prosiac[quote]The statement still comes up from time to time and should really be dealt with by the SNP, otherwise it's a sure fire vote winner for SLAB.[/quote] [bold]I don't think so.[/bold]
The sting of madhat Thatcher is still felt among thousands of men and women whose careers and lives never recovered, and the population are well aware Labour, instead of overturning the most excessive of her policies, warmly embraced them and outdid the Tories with a smile.
Yes, there are pockets of English right-wingers who worship her but then the fetish of masochism is deeply ingrained in English society, even written all over the forums, to tell us there will always be weak men who enjoy getting horse-whipped.
We must look upon their need for punishment as an illness.
Connery For Prosiac
The statement still comes up from time to time and should really be dealt with by the SNP, otherwise it's a sure fire vote winner for SLAB.
I don't think so.
The sting of madhat Thatcher is still felt among thousands of men and women whose careers and lives never recovered, and the population are well aware Labour, instead of overturning the most excessive of her policies, warmly embraced them and outdid the Tories with a smile.
Yes, there are pockets of English right-wingers who worship her but then the fetish of masochism is deeply ingrained in English society, even written all over the forums, to tell us there will always be weak men who enjoy getting horse-whipped.
We must look upon their need for punishment as an illness.
Posted by: Hamish McKropotkin, Bannockburn on 7:42am Wed 23 Apr 08
[quote][bold]ex labour voter[/bold] wrote:
The bent wee crook has spoken. Scaremongering and lies roll out of her ugly face . Nowt to offer but twisted nonsence and ? nothing but utter crap. proud to be a ****. WTF are you on you sad kunt. [/quote] the voice of nationalism....
ex labour voter wrote:
The bent wee crook has spoken. Scaremongering and lies roll out of her ugly face . Nowt to offer but twisted nonsence and ? nothing but utter crap. proud to be a ****. WTF are you on you sad kunt.
the voice of nationalism....
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 7:48am Wed 23 Apr 08
Hamish The Aussie Krapology[quote]I am the voice of Krapology[/quote]
Hamish The Aussie Krapology
I am the voice of Krapology
Posted by: JohnJ, Edinburgh on 8:11am Wed 23 Apr 08
"SNP ignored a request by unions to discuss a £150m contract for 120 railway carriages."
Should read "Did not attempt to illegally interfere in the outcome of a Europe wide tender."
"SNP ignored a request by unions to discuss a £150m contract for 120 railway carriages."
Should read "Did not attempt to illegally interfere in the outcome of a Europe wide tender."
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 8:13am Wed 23 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Proud to be Scottish[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]tris[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Have the SNP learned nothing in the 30 years since 1979 - when they put the Tories into power ushering in Thatcherism[/quote] [italic][bold]What?[/bold][/italic] [/quote] It's been said before - the nats obviously have enlisted the help of their kids with their cybering as evidenced once again by Tris.
Lets just make it clear - the nats delivered us Thatcher - lock, stock and two smoking barrels.
The nats are to blame for the economic wipeout that followed.
It's as simple as that, and yes, we will be shouting it from the rooftops.
Nats = Shameless Tartan Tories[/quote]
Would you care to explain that one PtbS..... it's got to be your most bizarre post to date.......
[italic]Are you condeming the people of Scotland for how they voted?[/italic]
Especially the communities of the east coast of scotland who were decimated with Thatchers insistence on using fishing a a bargaining chip at the EC/EU?
You should really open your eyes from PtbS, Scotland isn't just the shipyards on the Clyde, despite how much your thatcherite party would have you believe that.
[italic]Labour's Socialism?[/italic]
[bold]Abolition of 10% Rate = lowest earners pay £232 MORE
Abolition of 10% Rate = People on £36k pay £700 LESS
Defence of the Tory Council Tax
Support for Tory 'Right to Buy' Policy
Agreement of Tory Nuclear Defence Policy
Adopting the Tory 'Choice' Agenda over Solidarity
[/bold]
[bold]Scottish & Proud?[/bold] [italic]You?[/italic] .....don't make me laugh you miserable apologist.......
Proud to be Scottish wrote:
tris wrote:
Have the SNP learned nothing in the 30 years since 1979 - when they put the Tories into power ushering in Thatcherism
What?
It's been said before - the nats obviously have enlisted the help of their kids with their cybering as evidenced once again by Tris.
Lets just make it clear - the nats delivered us Thatcher - lock, stock and two smoking barrels.
The nats are to blame for the economic wipeout that followed.
It's as simple as that, and yes, we will be shouting it from the rooftops.
Nats = Shameless Tartan Tories
Would you care to explain that one PtbS..... it's got to be your most bizarre post to date.......
Are you condeming the people of Scotland for how they voted?
Especially the communities of the east coast of scotland who were decimated with Thatchers insistence on using fishing a a bargaining chip at the EC/EU?
You should really open your eyes from PtbS, Scotland isn't just the shipyards on the Clyde, despite how much your thatcherite party would have you believe that.
Labour's Socialism?
Abolition of 10% Rate = lowest earners pay £232 MORE
Abolition of 10% Rate = People on £36k pay £700 LESS
Defence of the Tory Council Tax
Support for Tory 'Right to Buy' Policy
Agreement of Tory Nuclear Defence Policy
Adopting the Tory 'Choice' Agenda over Solidarity
Scottish & Proud? You? .....don't make me laugh you miserable apologist.......
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 8:16am Wed 23 Apr 08
No mention of applause I see for Wendy.
No mention of any positive policies.
The descent into the abyss continues, Brown is right behind her, his hole is now so deep there is no way he's getting up of it before he HAS to cal a general election.....
He's going down in the annuals of Prime ministers as a manipulative, dithering, incompetent thatcherite fool
No mention of applause I see for Wendy.
No mention of any positive policies.
The descent into the abyss continues, Brown is right behind her, his hole is now so deep there is no way he's getting up of it before he HAS to cal a general election.....
He's going down in the annuals of Prime ministers as a manipulative, dithering, incompetent thatcherite fool
Posted by: Hamish McKropotkin, Bannockburn on 8:25am Wed 23 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Wardog[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Proud to be Scottish[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]tris[/bold] wrote: [quote]Have the SNP learned nothing in the 30 years since 1979 - when they put the Tories into power ushering in Thatcherism[/quote] [italic][bold]What?[/bold][/italic] [/quote] It's been said before - the nats obviously have enlisted the help of their kids with their cybering as evidenced once again by Tris. Lets just make it clear - the nats delivered us Thatcher - lock, stock and two smoking barrels. The nats are to blame for the economic wipeout that followed. It's as simple as that, and yes, we will be shouting it from the rooftops. Nats = Shameless Tartan Tories[/quote] Would you care to explain that one PtbS..... it's got to be your most bizarre post to date....... [italic]Are you condeming the people of Scotland for how they voted?[/italic] Especially the communities of the east coast of scotland who were decimated with Thatchers insistence on using fishing a a bargaining chip at the EC/EU? You should really open your eyes from PtbS, Scotland isn't just the shipyards on the Clyde, despite how much your thatcherite party would have you believe that. [italic]Labour's Socialism?[/italic] [bold]Abolition of 10% Rate = lowest earners pay £232 MORE Abolition of 10% Rate = People on £36k pay £700 LESS Defence of the Tory Council Tax Support for Tory 'Right to Buy' Policy Agreement of Tory Nuclear Defence Policy Adopting the Tory 'Choice' Agenda over Solidarity [/bold] [bold]Scottish & Proud?[/bold] [italic]You?[/italic] .....don't make me laugh you miserable apologist....... [/quote] Wardog,
Spin away, however you say it the fact remains that the SNP helped bring down a Labour government and ushered in the Thatcher era and all the devastation across our country that followed. On here the unprincipled and politically niave amongst the nationalists posters gloat about the possibility of a Tory government. A bizarre, bitter and downright cynical postion to take. It suits some nats to have the Tories back because they imagine that it will further their narrow political ends, no matter what the cost to the people. A price worth paying?What's your choice, Wardog - Labour or Tory?
Wardog wrote:
Proud to be Scottish wrote: tris wrote: Have the SNP learned nothing in the 30 years since 1979 - when they put the Tories into power ushering in Thatcherism
What?
It's been said before - the nats obviously have enlisted the help of their kids with their cybering as evidenced once again by Tris. Lets just make it clear - the nats delivered us Thatcher - lock, stock and two smoking barrels. The nats are to blame for the economic wipeout that followed. It's as simple as that, and yes, we will be shouting it from the rooftops. Nats = Shameless Tartan Tories
Would you care to explain that one PtbS..... it's got to be your most bizarre post to date....... Are you condeming the people of Scotland for how they voted? Especially the communities of the east coast of scotland who were decimated with Thatchers insistence on using fishing a a bargaining chip at the EC/EU? You should really open your eyes from PtbS, Scotland isn't just the shipyards on the Clyde, despite how much your thatcherite party would have you believe that. Labour's Socialism? Abolition of 10% Rate = lowest earners pay £232 MORE Abolition of 10% Rate = People on £36k pay £700 LESS Defence of the Tory Council Tax Support for Tory 'Right to Buy' Policy Agreement of Tory Nuclear Defence Policy Adopting the Tory 'Choice' Agenda over Solidarity Scottish & Proud? You? .....don't make me laugh you miserable apologist.......
Wardog,
Spin away, however you say it the fact remains that the SNP helped bring down a Labour government and ushered in the Thatcher era and all the devastation across our country that followed. On here the unprincipled and politically niave amongst the nationalists posters gloat about the possibility of a Tory government. A bizarre, bitter and downright cynical postion to take. It suits some nats to have the Tories back because they imagine that it will further their narrow political ends, no matter what the cost to the people. A price worth paying?What's your choice, Wardog - Labour or Tory?
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 8:28am Wed 23 Apr 08
Hamish The Aussie Krapology[quote]I am the voice of the BNP.[/quote]
Hamish The Aussie Krapology
I am the voice of the BNP.
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 8:35am Wed 23 Apr 08
Hamish McKropotkin, Bannockburn on 8:25am today
You really are delusional, you are condemning anyone for not voting labour, are you a crypto fascists Hamish?
The same Labour that supports PFI, Trident, Iraq & taxes the poor to give their managers a tax break.....
What planet are you on?
Don't answer that, your in the wonderful blissful 1870's heaven of the McKropotikin People's Republic.
In answer to your to your "Tory or Labour' - I'll be voting SNP
What will you be voting Hamish?
Hamish McKropotkin, Bannockburn on 8:25am today
You really are delusional, you are condemning anyone for not voting labour, are you a crypto fascists Hamish?
The same Labour that supports PFI, Trident, Iraq & taxes the poor to give their managers a tax break.....
What planet are you on?
Don't answer that, your in the wonderful blissful 1870's heaven of the McKropotikin People's Republic.
In answer to your to your "Tory or Labour' - I'll be voting SNP
What will you be voting Hamish?
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 8:39am Wed 23 Apr 08
Hamish McKropotkin, Bannockburn on 8:25am today
PS Hamish, which part of the following is spin?
[bold]Abolition of 10% Rate = lowest earners pay £232 MORE
Abolition of 22% Rate = People on £36k pay £700 LESS
Defence of the Tory Council Tax
Support for Tory 'Right to Buy' Policy
Agreement of Tory Nuclear Defence Policy
Adopting the Tory 'Choice' Agenda over Solidarity
Adopting the Tory PFI/PPP Procurement Method and expanding it[/bold]
Hamish, Socialist? - Your having a laugh pal.
Hamish McKropotkin, Bannockburn on 8:25am today
PS Hamish, which part of the following is spin?
Abolition of 10% Rate = lowest earners pay £232 MORE
Abolition of 22% Rate = People on £36k pay £700 LESS
Defence of the Tory Council Tax
Support for Tory 'Right to Buy' Policy
Agreement of Tory Nuclear Defence Policy
Adopting the Tory 'Choice' Agenda over Solidarity
Adopting the Tory PFI/PPP Procurement Method and expanding it
Hamish, Socialist? - Your having a laugh pal.
Posted by: Lachlan, Stirling on 8:40am Wed 23 Apr 08
It is disingenuous in the extreme to blame the SNP for ushering in the introduction of the Thatcher era?
The shambolic Labour Party had become totally unelectable in large swathes of Britain, and the party machine had been infiltrated by extreme Left-Wing socialists who were hell bent on wrecking the economy.
However, 17 years of Tory administration had a sobering effect on the Labour Party which has evolved into a Tory clone with little time for its original core voters, as the fiasco over the abolition of the 10p
income tax rate has proved!
It would appear the only social democrats left are in the SNP which is more than can be said for the Labour Party in Scotland!
It is disingenuous in the extreme to blame the SNP for ushering in the introduction of the Thatcher era?
The shambolic Labour Party had become totally unelectable in large swathes of Britain, and the party machine had been infiltrated by extreme Left-Wing socialists who were hell bent on wrecking the economy.
However, 17 years of Tory administration had a sobering effect on the Labour Party which has evolved into a Tory clone with little time for its original core voters, as the fiasco over the abolition of the 10p
income tax rate has proved!
It would appear the only social democrats left are in the SNP which is more than can be said for the Labour Party in Scotland!
Posted by: stonehaven on 8:41am Wed 23 Apr 08
"She promised that the STUC's voice would be listened to in the commission Labour had help set up to examine Scotland's constitutional future."
Meaning, its Labour's commission and we will simply go through the motions of listening to you. We have already decided the outcome (Gordon and I).
"She attacked the SNP government for being "propped up" by the Tories"
Meaning, although the Tories are also on the commission as equal partners, I am quite happy to alienate them just to show them that the commission will be the exclusive property of Labour.
This woman specialises in making enemies and not haveing a clue that she is doing it.
"She promised that the STUC's voice would be listened to in the commission Labour had help set up to examine Scotland's constitutional future."
Meaning, its Labour's commission and we will simply go through the motions of listening to you. We have already decided the outcome (Gordon and I).
"She attacked the SNP government for being "propped up" by the Tories"
Meaning, although the Tories are also on the commission as equal partners, I am quite happy to alienate them just to show them that the commission will be the exclusive property of Labour.
This woman specialises in making enemies and not haveing a clue that she is doing it.
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 8:41am Wed 23 Apr 08
Wardog[bold][quote]Hamish, Socialist? - Your having a laugh pal.[/quote][/bold] LoL .
More likely a game of pocket billiards.
Wardog
Hamish, Socialist? - Your having a laugh pal.
LoL .
More likely a game of pocket billiards.
Posted by: John J. Sheridan, Z'ha'dum on 8:42am Wed 23 Apr 08
So the SNP is to blame for Thatcher.....mmmmm
When did Salmond have her round to tea then?
Oh sorry...that was Gordon wasn't it?
Nu labours birling itself into a spinning nightmare, did the winter of discontent never happen then?
Did the prices and incomes policy that succeeded in forcing ordinary workers into claiming income support and their children free school meals spring from the SNP manifesto?
Did the ruination of the economy, devaluations and the moves by the IMF spring from the actions of Winnie Ewing?
Where the unions who brought down the government affiliated to the SNP....maybe my memory is failing?
Thatcher was coming because England had had enough of labour ans SOME of the trade unions, not because the liars of labour were brought down by the humane killer of an SNP vote here or there.
Their fate was sealed, the SNP merely pulled the trigger and quite rightly so given the treachery of Callaghan previously.
The SNP responsible for Thatcher?
I don't think so....your party can carry that burden Wendy.
So the SNP is to blame for Thatcher.....mmmmm
When did Salmond have her round to tea then?
Oh sorry...that was Gordon wasn't it?
Nu labours birling itself into a spinning nightmare, did the winter of discontent never happen then?
Did the prices and incomes policy that succeeded in forcing ordinary workers into claiming income support and their children free school meals spring from the SNP manifesto?
Did the ruination of the economy, devaluations and the moves by the IMF spring from the actions of Winnie Ewing?
Where the unions who brought down the government affiliated to the SNP....maybe my memory is failing?
Thatcher was coming because England had had enough of labour ans SOME of the trade unions, not because the liars of labour were brought down by the humane killer of an SNP vote here or there.
Their fate was sealed, the SNP merely pulled the trigger and quite rightly so given the treachery of Callaghan previously.
The SNP responsible for Thatcher?
I don't think so....your party can carry that burden Wendy.
Posted by: stonehaven on 8:45am Wed 23 Apr 08
"Have the SNP learned nothing in the 30 years since 1979 - when they put the Tories into power ushering in Thatcherism - and now it seems they are wanting to repeat the same thing all over again?"
Really??
"Have the Labour party in Scotland learned nothing in the 12 months since the election - when they put the SNP into power ushering in a new optimistic era for the people of Scotland - and now it seems they are wanting to repeat the same negativity thing all over again?"
"Have the SNP learned nothing in the 30 years since 1979 - when they put the Tories into power ushering in Thatcherism - and now it seems they are wanting to repeat the same thing all over again?"
Really??
"Have the Labour party in Scotland learned nothing in the 12 months since the election - when they put the SNP into power ushering in a new optimistic era for the people of Scotland - and now it seems they are wanting to repeat the same negativity thing all over again?"
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 8:46am Wed 23 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Los Angeles[/bold] wrote:
Wardog[bold][quote]Hamish, Socialist? - Your having a laugh pal.[/quote][/bold] LoL .
More likely a game of pocket billiards.[/quote]
What's amusing is that these faux socialists actually think the people of scotland will be taken in by their fur coat no knickers approach to politics whilst at the same time scaremongering with the politics of FEAR.
Hamish is closer to [italic]Comrade Napolean[/italic] than he is [italic]Peter Kropotikin[/italic]
Los Angeles wrote:
WardogHamish, Socialist? - Your having a laugh pal.
LoL .
More likely a game of pocket billiards.
What's amusing is that these faux socialists actually think the people of scotland will be taken in by their fur coat no knickers approach to politics whilst at the same time scaremongering with the politics of FEAR.
Hamish is closer to
Comrade Napolean than he is
Peter Kropotikin
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 8:52am Wed 23 Apr 08
Hamish McKropotkin, Bannockburn on 8:25am today
You know Hamish, I was just thinking.
Is this what you tell yourself?
You've posted on these forums that you don't support labour and that your obviously very pro trade union representation.
Do you grit your teeth but vote for Labour out of tradition?
Least worst option?
Or you don't vote at all, in either case pal, it could legitimately argues that it is the likes of you usher in the likes of you that usher in these Tory policies that you purport on these forums to detest.
Time to stick up for your self pro-claimed principals Hamish.
Hamish McKropotkin, Bannockburn on 8:25am today
You know Hamish, I was just thinking.
Is this what you tell yourself?
You've posted on these forums that you don't support labour and that your obviously very pro trade union representation.
Do you grit your teeth but vote for Labour out of tradition?
Least worst option?
Or you don't vote at all, in either case pal, it could legitimately argues that it is the likes of you usher in the likes of you that usher in these Tory policies that you purport on these forums to detest.
Time to stick up for your self pro-claimed principals Hamish.
Posted by: Luigi, Aberdeen on 8:56am Wed 23 Apr 08
[quote][bold]tris[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Have the SNP learned nothing in the 30 years since 1979 - when they put the Tories into power ushering in Thatcherism[/quote] [italic][bold]What?[/bold][/italic] [/quote] She only reminded people that the tories won the UK election in 1979 and have been in power (in one form or another) ever since!
tris wrote:
Have the SNP learned nothing in the 30 years since 1979 - when they put the Tories into power ushering in Thatcherism
What?
She only reminded people that the tories won the UK election in 1979 and have been in power (in one form or another) ever since!
Posted by: stonehaven on 8:56am Wed 23 Apr 08
"she said. "In Alex Salmond's Scotland some people are indeed more equal than others"
This woman is so brazen. Talking about being "more equal than others", is this why she was able to escape prosecution by pleading ignorance to a self-confessed crime and be "let off"? It strikes me that Wendy was quite happy to be "more equal" than every other citizen of Scotland in the eyes of the law. In fact she positively show-boated at the outcome.
"she said. "In Alex Salmond's Scotland some people are indeed more equal than others"
This woman is so brazen. Talking about being "more equal than others", is this why she was able to escape prosecution by pleading ignorance to a self-confessed crime and be "let off"? It strikes me that Wendy was quite happy to be "more equal" than every other citizen of Scotland in the eyes of the law. In fact she positively show-boated at the outcome.
Posted by: Luigi, Aberdeen on 8:57am Wed 23 Apr 08
From Maggie Thatcher to Maggie Broon.
Almost 30 years of discontent.
From Maggie Thatcher to Maggie Broon.
Almost 30 years of discontent.
Posted by: John J. Sheridan, Z'ha'dum on 9:02am Wed 23 Apr 08
Once again a generation of Scots will most probably have a Tory PM foisted upon them by the incompetence of a labour administration and its lying, graft filled cabinet.
Yet they will seek to invoke the ' Big boy did it and ran away ' defence once more.
Apparently when the Tories win power in England that is the fault of the SNP, there is no fault in the thinking of the population of England who will actually and did actually vote for them.
There is no fault in the administration in power who have robbed the pension funds of millions.
Who have waged immoral and illegal wars.
Who have become synonymous with fraud and deception.
Who have sucked up to the rich and taxed the poorest to destitution.
Who have spent more time feathering their own nests and writing superfluous books than any politicians in history.
But the SNP have learned nothing in 30 years?
I detest you and your ilk Wendy, Gordon, Peter and Tony.
I started out a socialist with ideals and principals who looked to a socialist party to make them a reality.
Instead I was stuck with the corrupt, inept, self serving liars who ran a once great party into the ground and made them more Tory than the Tories.
Ths SNP has learned nothing in 30 years....maybe not..but I have.
Once again a generation of Scots will most probably have a Tory PM foisted upon them by the incompetence of a labour administration and its lying, graft filled cabinet.
Yet they will seek to invoke the ' Big boy did it and ran away ' defence once more.
Apparently when the Tories win power in England that is the fault of the SNP, there is no fault in the thinking of the population of England who will actually and did actually vote for them.
There is no fault in the administration in power who have robbed the pension funds of millions.
Who have waged immoral and illegal wars.
Who have become synonymous with fraud and deception.
Who have sucked up to the rich and taxed the poorest to destitution.
Who have spent more time feathering their own nests and writing superfluous books than any politicians in history.
But the SNP have learned nothing in 30 years?
I detest you and your ilk Wendy, Gordon, Peter and Tony.
I started out a socialist with ideals and principals who looked to a socialist party to make them a reality.
Instead I was stuck with the corrupt, inept, self serving liars who ran a once great party into the ground and made them more Tory than the Tories.
Ths SNP has learned nothing in 30 years....maybe not..but I have.
Posted by: megz, glasgow on 9:02am Wed 23 Apr 08
its funny (well more sad) thaty wendy is banging on about the SNP and the tories being together, as i recall it was the aliance between lab/lib/tory forcing through the trams, and are together working on their 'review'. So hello pot..... your black by the way.
its funny (well more sad) thaty wendy is banging on about the SNP and the tories being together, as i recall it was the aliance between lab/lib/tory forcing through the trams, and are together working on their 'review'. So hello pot..... your black by the way.
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 9:10am Wed 23 Apr 08
Wardog[quote]Time to stick up for your self pro-claimed principals Hamish.[/quote] Very true..ish..
I was wandering on the eshtate (hic) the uthur day, when I saw this ... hmm ... shall we say, rather shapely wench coming towardsh me. (Hic)
She said, (slurp) I was a rotten Tory thug who had stolen the land from her ancestors. Which, I have to say, is only half true, as it was my ancestors who (hic) stole it from her ancestors. Got to get the facts right, old man. Anyway, hahaha ...as I said she was rather good looking and nicely long in the leg sooo ...so I overlooking her Scottish nationalist tendencies and asked her out to dinner.
Hehehe. (Slurp)
But she just looked at me in wonderment then slapped my face.
I suppose I deserved it, I must confess, because I was, at the time, verray, verray, verray drunk.
Wardog
Time to stick up for your self pro-claimed principals Hamish.
Very true..ish..
I was wandering on the eshtate (hic) the uthur day, when I saw this ... hmm ... shall we say, rather shapely wench coming towardsh me. (Hic)
She said, (slurp) I was a rotten Tory thug who had stolen the land from her ancestors. Which, I have to say, is only half true, as it was my ancestors who (hic) stole it from her ancestors. Got to get the facts right, old man. Anyway, hahaha ...as I said she was rather good looking and nicely long in the leg sooo ...so I overlooking her Scottish nationalist tendencies and asked her out to dinner.
Hehehe. (Slurp)
But she just looked at me in wonderment then slapped my face.
I suppose I deserved it, I must confess, because I was, at the time, verray, verray, verray drunk.
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 9:15am Wed 23 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Los Angeles[/bold] wrote:
Wardog[quote]Time to stick up for your self pro-claimed principals Hamish.[/quote] Very true..ish..
I was wandering on the eshtate (hic) the uthur day, when I saw this ... hmm ... shall we say, rather shapely wench coming towardsh me. (Hic)
She said, (slurp) I was a rotten Tory thug who had stolen the land from her ancestors. Which, I have to say, is only half true, as it was my ancestors who (hic) stole it from her ancestors. Got to get the facts right, old man. Anyway, hahaha ...as I said she was rather good looking and nicely long in the leg sooo ...so I overlooking her Scottish nationalist tendencies and asked her out to dinner.
Hehehe. (Slurp)
But she just looked at me in wonderment then slapped my face.
I suppose I deserved it, I must confess, because I was, at the time, verray, verray, verray drunk.
[/quote]
ha ha ha, but LA!
[bold]With his reputation? Has no one thought of the consequences?[/bold]
http://tinyurl.com/4
vxd4s
Los Angeles wrote:
WardogTime to stick up for your self pro-claimed principals Hamish.
Very true..ish..
I was wandering on the eshtate (hic) the uthur day, when I saw this ... hmm ... shall we say, rather shapely wench coming towardsh me. (Hic)
She said, (slurp) I was a rotten Tory thug who had stolen the land from her ancestors. Which, I have to say, is only half true, as it was my ancestors who (hic) stole it from her ancestors. Got to get the facts right, old man. Anyway, hahaha ...as I said she was rather good looking and nicely long in the leg sooo ...so I overlooking her Scottish nationalist tendencies and asked her out to dinner.
Hehehe. (Slurp)
But she just looked at me in wonderment then slapped my face.
I suppose I deserved it, I must confess, because I was, at the time, verray, verray, verray drunk.
ha ha ha, but LA!
With his reputation? Has no one thought of the consequences?
http://tinyurl.com/4
vxd4s
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 9:16am Wed 23 Apr 08
[bold]PtbS at Home?[/bold]
http://tinyurl.com/4
ongkp
PtbS at Home?
http://tinyurl.com/4
ongkp
Posted by: Peter Thomson, Labour: Brown envelopes 'r us on 9:17am Wed 23 Apr 08
Wendy the criminal comes out of hiding - any mention of the impact the 10p tax rate removal will have on all those two year olds she claims to care about? Nope.
Any mention that Nu Lab only held power at Holyrood courtesy of the Lib Dems? Nope.
Any mention that the SNP has been given support by the two other parties only when it has aligned with their own policies - i.e. the Libdems and Scottish Tories have actually shown a degree of integrity with their own voters rather than the venal, self righteous and destructive attitude of herself and Labour in Scotland towards Scotland?
The woman is a screaming harpy out of touch with the real politick that is now growing in Holyrood. -22% Wendy says what the country actually thinks of you and your party.
Wendy the criminal comes out of hiding - any mention of the impact the 10p tax rate removal will have on all those two year olds she claims to care about? Nope.
Any mention that Nu Lab only held power at Holyrood courtesy of the Lib Dems? Nope.
Any mention that the SNP has been given support by the two other parties only when it has aligned with their own policies - i.e. the Libdems and Scottish Tories have actually shown a degree of integrity with their own voters rather than the venal, self righteous and destructive attitude of herself and Labour in Scotland towards Scotland?
The woman is a screaming harpy out of touch with the real politick that is now growing in Holyrood. -22% Wendy says what the country actually thinks of you and your party.
Posted by: Carmichael, Scotland on 9:19am Wed 23 Apr 08
Only yesterday scientists confirmed what Labour had always known. Negative stereotyping of a group leads to negative outcomes for that group. The scientists used it to explain the English national football teams various disappoints at penalty shoot-outs but it could also be used to explain the cleverness behind Labour's domination of Scotland those long years. Insomuch as you tell people in Scotland they are the recipients of a union, they are the ones who need the union to continue, they are the ones taking and should be grateful, they are the ones with their hands outstretched and head bowed low. A bit theatrical in imagery, perhaps, but Labour were clearly light-years ahead of those Edinburgh University scientists and had actually put such theory into practice on the campaign trails. Thus creating a negative image of a 'subsidy junky' nation (a phrase so objectionable to me I can barely tolerate to write it) and so ensuring a self-perpetuating cycle.
So, what happened? Why did Labour's test-case, Scotland, eventually rid itself of Labour's grip of its self-image. Devolution, I hypothesise, devolution. Scotland saw that it could govern itself and it wasn't necessarily a place where self-reliance was not for the likes o' us. Alex Fergusson said himself that there was a new wave of optimism in Scotland, new ideas, and, of course, new ideas about Scotland's place in the world. No more the weak partner but, perhaps, just perhaps, an equal partner on the world-stage (heaven forfend! I hear the cry from Labour laboratories), no longer silent on the world stage but an actor for good on the world-stage (I hear test-tubes being smashed in piques of frustration), no taking all it can get but contributing all it can (the fire alarm has been sounded in Labour laboratories).
Labour over-egged its use of this theory because it turns out it can be reversable. Negative stereotyping, it seems, is not perpetual. If only Labour had known that at the time. They might have been a bit more gentle with Scotland's self-image and they might not have tried to squash any idea of a self-sufficient Scotland. But, they reap, now, what they sowed, which is, funnily enough, another scientific maxim that could stand the Labour party in good stead once it tries to manourvere in the multi-party politics ushered in by independence.
Only yesterday scientists confirmed what Labour had always known. Negative stereotyping of a group leads to negative outcomes for that group. The scientists used it to expla
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