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Kingmakers and concessions for Scotland
DOUGLAS FRASER, Scottish Political EditorApril 21 2008

Analysis

Could Angus Robertson, the SNP's Westminster leader, be a kingmaker after the next Westminster election, deciding whether Gordon Brown or David Cameron is installed in Downing Street?

That is what his party leader, Alex Salmond, invited us to contemplate at his party's spring conference at Heriot-Watt University yesterday.

The notion is based on two propositions. One is that the polls suggest a stronger-than-usual chance that Labour and Conservative could be close run, and that the LibDems risk losing ground. If either of the dominant parties need support, they are going to have to do deals, and the LibDems are not the only potential suitors. The SNP or Northern Irish votes could become crucial. That reflects the other proposition: that the SNP grows from its current six seats to Mr Salmond's new target of 20.

To be a kingmaker, Mr Robertson, the Moray MP, is opting not to declare whether he would favour a Labour or Tory government. His aim is to use any leverage he has to get benefits for Scotland. Indeed, there is a school of thought that an English-dominated Conservative government would not only have to concede its lack of authority in Scotland and give ground on the constitution, but that it would be more willing to do so than a Labour Party led by Scots.

Mr Salmond will only publicly discuss hypotheticals based on positive outcomes for him, and the idea of gaining 14 seats at Westminster would be very positive, in light of the result at the last Westminster vote in 2005.

That campaign, with Alex Salmond newly re-installed as leader, was run by the seat of Nationalist pants, winning only 18% of the vote and six seats, behind LibDems on both counts. The party reckons the political landscape and its fortunes have changed. So have those of Labour, which has 40 Westminster seats out of 59, and would be the main target for SNP gains. And LibDems, who surged in 2005 into several second places and 11 seats, have had poor Westminster poll ratings recently, and having lost two Holyrood constituency seats to Nationalists last year, they are on the back foot.

The plan is to protect its six seats, four of them with slight majorities. On paper, only one Labour-held seat is marginal; Ochil and South Perthshire, where Labour's Gordon Banks has a majority of 688. Defence and Scottish Secretary Des Browne is one of the next most vulnerable Labour MPs, but that would still require a 10% vote swing to dislodge him in Kilmarnock and Loudoun.

With Labour on 40 seats, the SNP would require swings of nearly 20% from Labour if it is to get near its target, and it would have to win from third or fourth place in 2005, having been beaten by LibDems in unlikely places like Glasgow and Lanarkshire. There are only 19 seats where the SNP was in second place three years ago. In Argyll and in Gordon, its top LibDem targets, although gains at Holyrood last year, the SNP came fourth in 2005.

So a successful SNP strategy has to persuade Scottish voters the starting point for ousting incumbents was not Westminster in 2005 but Holyrood elections last year, when it secured 21 out of 73 constituencies. In those, Nationalists successfully dislodged Labour from seats where it had been building support, such as Glasgow Govan, Livingston, Western Isles and Central Fife.

It gained in some surprising places, such as Edinburgh East, Stirling and Cunninghame North, while Labour hung on in seats such as Cumbernauld and Kilsyth. While the SNP is not making its target list public, all these are likely to feature.

SNP strategists reckon their aim of winning at least 20 seats is based on hard canvassing data, showing that those who switched to the last year are willing to stick with the SNP for Westminster.

They are stepping up their efforts with "a month of action", street stalls, a million "Vision" leaflets, and newsletters highlighting the council tax freeze. The campaign is to show continuity from what worked last year, linking through to the European elections next summer, the Westminster election expected in 2010, Holyrood a year later, and councils pencilled in for 2012.


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Posted by: JC on 10:38pm Sun 20 Apr 08
Aye the tartan tories will be true to themselves and support the real tories every time!
Posted by: ratzo on 10:50pm Sun 20 Apr 08
political betting.com had the SNP coming in with about 16 seats a few weeks ago based on current (uneven) Westminster polling. Labour are on the point of brutal and overdue humiliation between now and the next General election. They may well have dumped Brown by then and in any case they're virtually without the cash to fight a campaign on account of their previous shady deals. It might not be such a big ask after all.
Posted by: Jimbo on 11:17pm Sun 20 Apr 08
JC wrote:
Aye the tartan tories will be true to themselves and support the real tories every time!
Hi JC,

you're wrong.

Alex Salmond stated today that he would not support New Labour in their current guise of being pretendy socialists.
Posted by: Saul Tyre, Germany on 11:27pm Sun 20 Apr 08
Well said Jimbo. I cannot see Alex Salmond propping up a groggy Gordon Brown. JC's assessment is faulty.
Posted by: doonhamer on 12:16am Mon 21 Apr 08
If the current numbers hold or weaken for Labour, 20 seats may be a minimum not a maximum. Scots are a canny lot and if it looks like a Tory win, many will vote SNP to get concessions instead of wasting votes on a Labour opposition.
Posted by: Saul Tyre, Germany on 12:25am Mon 21 Apr 08
doonhamer wrote:
If the current numbers hold or weaken for Labour, 20 seats may be a minimum not a maximum. Scots are a canny lot and if it looks like a Tory win, many will vote SNP to get concessions instead of wasting votes on a Labour opposition.
Can a vote for New Labour be anything other than a wasted vote?
Posted by: Samoyed, Costa del Menie on 1:57am Mon 21 Apr 08
JC I got news for you, as soon as the Tory party realizes that by giving us independence they need 58 or 57 seats less to achieve mayority in England, like forever, they will be they first one to propose a break of the Union.

Wait and see. I'm truly sorry about that hurting your feelings, honest!
Posted by: daveymac, web on 5:14am Mon 21 Apr 08
Firstly, the SNP cannot go into any coalition with the Tories as its against their constitution.
Second, they said yesterday it is likely to be support in a confidence way (a la greens) then its votes on a bill by bill, issue by issue basis.

The SNP now have plenty of experience in dealing with minorioty government well and a hung Westminster would be a real change for the better no matter who wins most seats.

On the subject of seats, much can happen and another factor is that Labour in Scotland also appear to have the added issue of a lack of canvassers on the ground willing to do the donkey work.
Less people on the ground opening those old ladies postal votes and binning them if there not Labour...etc!

At least its not going to be boring!

Posted by: Donald Anderson, glasgow on 6:57am Mon 21 Apr 08
Labour = the real Union Jack Tories
Posted by: megz, glasgow on 9:45am Mon 21 Apr 08
Can a vote for New Labour be anything other than a wasted vote?


I'm not a labour voter but i hate this notion of a wasted vote, i was given that line by my idiot labour msp when i told him i don't vote labour. The whole point of democracy is to vote for who you want, this 'no point voting for them cause the other lot will get in if you don't vote for us' really annoys me. My vote is my vote and i will vote for who i want and i won't be voting labour to stop the tories getting in. It is a load of b*ll*cks anyway as labout have been in control here for 50 years and it hasn't made one iota of difference. So i'd urge everyone to vote for who they want or else there really is no democracy here at all.
Posted by: Mike, Edinburgh on 10:46am Mon 21 Apr 08
Well said megz, I shall only be voting SNP at any Election. I really feel positive about my country, and I hold my head high and dont feel the need to do my people down. You see the pride I am talking about, is the kind where instead of people moaning about the government, I constantly hear folk talking about how good it is to have a real Scottish Government at last. Terms like Alex will sort them out, and the SNP wont put up with that, they will stop the crooks. Even my Mum who is in her seventies, says that it is great having Alex Salmond running things and its about bloody time Scots did it for themselves instead of sitting on their arses doing nothing about our troubles, she says all the time that he is a good man who will do the right thing for his ane folk.

Well being a good son as well as a lifelong SNP supporter, means I will vote for the SNP at the same time as my mother.
Posted by: megz, glasgow on 11:30am Mon 21 Apr 08
I mentioned on another thread that if people want to effect change then they should help out their local branch (whoever you support). I had been moaning about how things never change and won't get better, then last year i got involved for the first time, canvassing delivering leaflets and it felt so satisfying that a change happened. I know i wasn't singlehandedly making that change but it felt good to be part of something that was.
Posted by: Davie Park, Ayrshire on 1:03pm Mon 21 Apr 08
So come on Doogie, who wrote that plea in mitigation for big stinkin' Broonie and his 10p tax hike? You or Alfie?
"Please, please, please stop that nasty infighting and start reminding everyone of how wonderful WE all are and that getting more tax from the poorest is only fair considering how much we've done for the ungrateful bastads. Oh, and please, please, please don't get rid of our pal Gordon 'the pub landlord' Brown. Please (pretty please, pretty pretty please, pretty pretty pretty please.....ad nauseum)
Truly pathetic.
Posted by: scappaflow, RoS on 1:14pm Mon 21 Apr 08
I remember a few conferences ago, Salmond claimed he'd win 20 FPTP seats at the next Holyrood election - in the end he won 20 additional seats in total but his claim was ridiculed when he made it as totally unrealistic. But, the target was clearly more achievable than many thought.
Looking at the arithmetic, it seems that 20 seats in Westminster is not going to happen at the next election, and perhaps privately Salmond would conceed that. However certainly if they got close to it then it would be a brilliant achievement and would def give the SNP and Scotland more power.
Also, another factor is that in 2005 the SNP were an opposition struggling to make a big impact in Holyrood against the Lab/Lib majority. They received very poor coverage and used their resources to target a few marginal seats (Dundee East and Western Isles) which they won. As a result the Libs (who received decent UK coverage) made gains.
This time they are the Scottish Government, have 20 extra MSP's and hundreds of additional councillors and have been polling at 40% in some surveys. The Lib Dems are also not doing particularly well, certainly they are likely to drop vote share at the next poll.

They def have the ammo to do some serious damage, and it seems that Labour may not have the defences to do much about it as it fights on two fronts against the Tories in England.
Posted by: pehman, sussex on 2:48pm Mon 21 Apr 08
It was reported in yesterday's mail on sunday that des browne had a week off work due to "stress" after taking a flaky on the john humphrey's radio show

Anyone one with news on this ?
Posted by: Patrick Kirkwood, West Kilbride on 4:00pm Mon 21 Apr 08
scappaflow, RoS:

excellent comment, the 2005 election really was a one-off for the Liberals with a very popular leader and lots of UK-wide media coverage allowing them to near monopolise the - then very significant - anti Iraq War vote.

With a non-Scot in charge of them for the first time in years I confidentially predict a collapse in Lib Dem support in Scotland - watch Argyll and their holdings in the North-East in particular.

The media could be as important this time if they decide - like at Holyrood - Scotland is a two-way battle between Labour and the SNP. Then Salmond's prediction becomes achievable.
Posted by: tris, scotland on 4:04pm Mon 21 Apr 08


John Humphries is scary. I'd love to have heard this interview.

However, the Minister for War really can't have a week off with stress after a 10 minute interview with Humphries, no matter how scary he is.

The troops in Afghanistan are fighting for a lot longer than 10 minutes at a time, and some of the Taliban may even be a little scarier than John Humphries.... well maybe.

I say sack him (Browne that is, not Humphries).
Posted by: The West Awake, Argyll on 4:30pm Mon 21 Apr 08
"While the SNP is not making its target list public, all these are likely to feature."

There are NO safe Labour seats anymore.

Scotland - A Labour-free zone. Lets think the once-impossible.
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 4:42pm Mon 21 Apr 08
tris wrote:


John Humphries is scary. I'd love to have heard this interview.

However, the Minister for War really can't have a week off with stress after a 10 minute interview with Humphries, no matter how scary he is.

The troops in Afghanistan are fighting for a lot longer than 10 minutes at a time, and some of the Taliban may even be a little scarier than John Humphries.... well maybe.

I say sack him (Browne that is, not Humphries).
I'll second that!
Posted by: snecked, Argyll on 7:15pm Mon 21 Apr 08
The LibDems are dead by but do not underestimate their abilty to change their spots as we approach and election. Two elections ago the media promoted them relentlessly for about six weeks pre-election to scupper the SNP and that was exactly what happened.
They are just one of the unionist cards the press can play unless we can neuter them before the next campaign. There is huge internal disquiet the LibDed activist level as well. SNP priority must be to knock ther LibDeds out.
Being aware that the SNP's best weapon is likely to be removed from her position sooner rather than later wh would the SNP like to see installed as Labour leader at Holyrood. It should of course be Cathy Jamieson leading Labour but we don't want that. I'm going to try to write an article on which Labourt Leader the SNP wants to see in place. Give me a hand.
My list in order is Lord Foolkes, Duncan McNeill, Jackie Baillie, Black Bob, Black Spot, a mutton pie, Andy Kerr, (getting into the good ones now)Hugh Jarse, R Stornaway, Dick Pullar, Mike Hunt and so on
Posted by: Patrick Kirkwood, West Kilbride on 7:35pm Mon 21 Apr 08
Dont forget Iain Gray. Considering his recent public performances, he has to be near the top of the list.
Posted by: snecked, Argyll on 10:13pm Mon 21 Apr 08
That was "mutton pie" I suspect
Posted by: Buckpool Loon, Cheshire on 11:59am Tue 22 Apr 08
From my view point Alex Salmonds' Westmister dancing to a Scottish jig comment, was the first time he's put a foot wrong since May 7.

There's just a shade too much of triumphalism to it and not enough statemanship. After all the last thing we want is a mirror of the situation Scotland has struggled with under the inequitable yoke of Westminster being repeated on them. That would make us no better than they are and that's definately not how we want Scotland goverened.

In the final analysis we don't need this type of flagrant spin. Scotland is steadily gaining confidence in it's own abilities and potentials. While, the present incumbants at Westminster are being exposed by their own ineptitude and lack of political morals to a bonfire of their inadequecies.

Now is the time for the SNP in Holyrood to quietly maximise their efforts to those policies they can effect and prepare the ground for those they will take responsibility for on gaining independence.

In effect sod Westminster, concentrate on governing Scotland and Westminster will be reduced to a phase of Scottish history.
Posted by: Buckpool Loon, Cheshire on 12:08pm Tue 22 Apr 08
Just another thought.

I wonder how much it would cost if the SNP were unilaterally to increase Scottish pensioners fuel allowance by another £100?

Not administered by Westminster and had to be claimed by the pensioners. Not too diffecult to organise I would have thought and not to expensive to administer, throgh charities like Age Concern etc.

Might go a long way to gaining the 20 SNP seats?
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