Polls’ shift to independence ‘is reaction to bullying tactics’
The SNP claimed yesterday that an apparent shift in public opinion in favour of independence was a reaction to the UK Government's "bullying" tactics.
Polls on the constitutional question are notoriously fickle but the significance of the latest finding is that the same polling organisation asked exactly the same question after an eight-month period.
Last August, Scottish Opinion asked people whether they approved or disapproved of Scotland becoming an independent country. At that stage only 31% of Scots were in favour of independence, with 49% opposed.
But when the pollsters asked the same question this month, those in favour had leapt 10 points to 41%, while those against had fallen six points to 43%.
This gap of just two points followed another poll last December by System 3/TNS for the Sunday Herald which showed the gap had narrowed from 15% to 4% in the previous three months.
Reacting to yesterday's poll, which was commissioned by the Daily Mail, SNP deputy leader Nicola Sturgeon said: "The poll shows a surge in support for independence of 10 points since last summer, and is now running neck and neck with the status quo.
"It clearly demonstrates that support for equality for Scotland is on the increase, along with the SNP's poll ratings, and is being boosted by our solid record of delivery in office - including freezing the council tax, cutting business rates, abolishing prescription charges and restoring free education in Scotland.
"As the SNP administration delivers good government in the devolved areas, so we will build the case for Scotland to be governed equally well in all areas."
She claimed the poll indicated that the negative attitude being shown to the Scottish Government and Scotland by Westminster - on issues such as threatening to withhold council tax benefit and prisons spending - was getting a strong reaction in Scotland.
Ms Sturgeon argued that the Scottish public was reacting to Westminster's bullying stance, claiming: "The more the London Treasury tries to lay down the law to Scotland, the greater the support there will be for independence and equality for Scotland.
"The unionist parties are running scared of the right of the people to decide Scotland's future in a democratic referendum - and no wonder, on the basis of these figures. The other parties are deeply split on the issue, and are finding it impossible to justify refusing the
people of Scotland that basic democratic right."
Rival parties dismissed the findings, arguing that the SNP still had no mandate to call for a referendum given that there was no majority for this at Holyrood.
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Posted by: Tearlach, Sutherland on 10:26pm Thu 10 Apr 08
Lets see if AM squared and his ilk still quote 23% as a figure cast in stone over the next wee while.
Mind you its only one poll, but the underlying trend looks interesting.....
Lets see if AM squared and his ilk still quote 23% as a figure cast in stone over the next wee while.
Mind you its only one poll, but the underlying trend looks interesting.....
Posted by: Karin, glasgae. on 10:29pm Thu 10 Apr 08
[quoteRival parties dismissed the findings, arguing that the SNP still had no mandate to call for a referendum given that there was no majority for this at Holyrood.[/quote]
okay then when we have the westminster elections then they will have by the unionist parties reckoning. Fine have it your way unionistas independence is coming the more you resist the stronger the voices are going to get.
okay then when we have the westminster elections then they will have by the unionist parties reckoning. Fine have it your way unionistas independence is coming the more you resist the stronger the voices are going to get.
Posted by: Jimmy the Pie, Orkney on 10:29pm Thu 10 Apr 08
Aye where is the world's leading statistician, AM2?
Not shacked up with Red Wendy are you?
Aye where is the world's leading statistician, AM2?
Not shacked up with Red Wendy are you?
Posted by: HenMcStoorie, Port William on 10:43pm Thu 10 Apr 08
Rival parties dismissed the findings, arguing that the SNP still had no mandate to call for a referendum given that there was no majority for this at Holyrood.
Which one of the rival parties will crack first....my bets on the Dumb Libs.
Rival parties dismissed the findings, arguing that the SNP still had no mandate to call for a referendum given that there was no majority for this at Holyrood.
Which one of the rival parties will crack first....my bets on the Dumb Libs.
Posted by: Karin, glasgae. on 10:45pm Thu 10 Apr 08
jimmy
AM2 a leading statistician dont make me laugh
he wouldnt know the difference between a chi square and a mann whitney if it came up and bit him.
jimmy
AM2 a leading statistician dont make me laugh
he wouldnt know the difference between a chi square and a mann whitney if it came up and bit him.
Posted by: Jimmy the Pie, Orkney on 10:50pm Thu 10 Apr 08
Watching Newsnicht - quite amazing watching Malcolm Rifkin speaking for New Labour on the BAE sleaze story. No government or Labour Party spokesman was available??
Truly shocking.
Mired in sleaze and lies.
Lets have a national election NOW
Watching Newsnicht - quite amazing watching Malcolm Rifkin speaking for New Labour on the BAE sleaze story. No government or Labour Party spokesman was available??
Truly shocking.
Mired in sleaze and lies.
Lets have a national election NOW
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 11:08pm Thu 10 Apr 08
Any time soon we will get an ice cold comment posted by the odious AM-Squared probably quoting some other less flattering poll, or stating it is only a flash in the pan.
Any time soon we will get an ice cold comment posted by the odious AM-Squared probably quoting some other less flattering poll, or stating it is only a flash in the pan.
Posted by: gurugordon, US on 2:30am Fri 11 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Jimmy the Pie[/bold] wrote:
Aye where is the world's leading statistician, AM2?
Not shacked up with Red Wendy are you?
[/quote] I still can't figure out how Simon Pia ended up with AM2 as his nom de plume!
Jimmy the Pie wrote:
Aye where is the world's leading statistician, AM2?
Not shacked up with Red Wendy are you?
I still can't figure out how Simon Pia ended up with AM2 as his nom de plume!
Posted by: John F on 3:00am Fri 11 Apr 08
Scottish Opinion between April 2 and 8, 2008 - (Aug 2007)
For independence 41% (31%)
Against 43% (49%)
TNS System Three,early December 2007 - (Aug 2007)
For independence 40% (35%)
Against 44% (50%)
Scottish Opinion between April 2 and 8, 2008 - (Aug 2007)
For independence 41% (31%)
Against 43% (49%)
TNS System Three,early December 2007 - (Aug 2007)
For independence 40% (35%)
Against 44% (50%)
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 3:12am Fri 11 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Karin[/bold] wrote:
jimmy
AM2 a leading statistician dont make me laugh
he wouldnt know the difference between a chi square and a mann whitney if it came up and bit him. [/quote] Cannae comment oan that but these results are A - NOVA.
(Sounded funny in mah heed ken!)
Karin wrote:
jimmy
AM2 a leading statistician dont make me laugh
he wouldnt know the difference between a chi square and a mann whitney if it came up and bit him.
Cannae comment oan that but these results are A - NOVA.
(Sounded funny in mah heed ken!)
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 3:13am Fri 11 Apr 08
[quote][bold]pehman[/bold] wrote:
Nicola, whit the fcuk are you doing,
When your (our) enemy is making a mistake ------- let the b statards get on with it ![/quote] Aye - she's goat tae learn tae haud her wheesht.
pehman wrote:
Nicola, whit the fcuk are you doing,
When your (our) enemy is making a mistake ------- let the b statards get on with it !
Aye - she's goat tae learn tae haud her wheesht.
Posted by: juankerr, Scotland on 3:32am Fri 11 Apr 08
AM2 is probabyl locked up in Giovan police station for his anti islam rant last week. Either that or he has finally been sectioned. I heard a report of a guy wearing a deerstalker and monocle was being wheeled into carstairs shouting statistics, statistics, wibble , wibble..... Amdist much arm waving and dribbling.... could be him.......
AM2 is probabyl locked up in Giovan police station for his anti islam rant last week. Either that or he has finally been sectioned. I heard a report of a guy wearing a deerstalker and monocle was being wheeled into carstairs shouting statistics, statistics, wibble , wibble..... Amdist much arm waving and dribbling.... could be him.......
Posted by: HenMcStoorie, Port William on 3:41am Fri 11 Apr 08
JUANKERR
PROBABLY WORKING OUT THE PERCENTAGE OF
CONCRETE TO BRICK.
( ITS 7.5%)
JUANKERR
PROBABLY WORKING OUT THE PERCENTAGE OF
CONCRETE TO BRICK.
( ITS 7.5%)
Posted by: porker, stirling on 7:12am Fri 11 Apr 08
I noticed that a yougov poll for Scotland on Sunday relating to independence stated that it canvassed 1070 `Sottish-based` adults.
If a high percentage of those questioned were English or east European who never vote for independence this cannot be a true reflection of Scottish intention.
I noticed that a yougov poll for Scotland on Sunday relating to independence stated that it canvassed 1070 `Sottish-based` adults.
If a high percentage of those questioned were English or east European who never vote for independence this cannot be a true reflection of Scottish intention.
Posted by: Truscot, Over Here on 7:16am Fri 11 Apr 08
Independence - It's the only answer, hold your heads up lads it's coming
Independence - It's the only answer, hold your heads up lads it's coming
Posted by: Olive Morrison, EDINBURGH on 7:39am Fri 11 Apr 08
Jimmy the pie
Why are you surprised by Rifkind's stance, he was one of the triumverate (including Laing and Forsyth) who lost their Tory seats under Thatcherand has been against Scotland since then.
These three were the sleaziest bunch of Tory's ever. we threw them OUT
Jimmy the pie
Why are you surprised by Rifkind's stance, he was one of the triumverate (including Laing and Forsyth) who lost their Tory seats under Thatcherand has been against Scotland since then.
These three were the sleaziest bunch of Tory's ever. we threw them OUT
Posted by: Jimmy the Pie, Orkney on 8:08am Fri 11 Apr 08
Olive Morrison
I wasn't surprised by Rifkind, it was our socialist party that surprised me, by leaving it to the Tories.
We'll soon throw them out!
Olive Morrison
I wasn't surprised by Rifkind, it was our socialist party that surprised me, by leaving it to the Tories.
We'll soon throw them out!
Posted by: porker, stirling on 8:10am Fri 11 Apr 08
Its coming for aw that.
Posted by: Peter Thomson, AM2's alter ego on 8:28am Fri 11 Apr 08
Chuck in Rescom's poll of the first week of April 2008 showing the SNP on a 41% vote share for the next general election and you start to sense this is how it is actually hinging in Scotland.
A note to the Unionists: you may think you are the majority in Holyrood but the sovereign people of Scotland have you sussed and it looks like the right of the people to rid themselves of leaders who sell them out to others (Declaration of Arbroath) will be exercised, peacefully when next Brownovitch has the bottle to call a general election.
Another wee worry for you Unionists is the 29% of your supporters who will vote SNP if Westminster continues to block the will of the government in Scotland at every turn.
Chuck in Rescom's poll of the first week of April 2008 showing the SNP on a 41% vote share for the next general election and you start to sense this is how it is actually hinging in Scotland.
A note to the Unionists: you may think you are the majority in Holyrood but the sovereign people of Scotland have you sussed and it looks like the right of the people to rid themselves of leaders who sell them out to others (Declaration of Arbroath) will be exercised, peacefully when next Brownovitch has the bottle to call a general election.
Another wee worry for you Unionists is the 29% of your supporters who will vote SNP if Westminster continues to block the will of the government in Scotland at every turn.
Posted by: Rev. S. Campbell, Bath on 8:32am Fri 11 Apr 08
[quote][bold]porker[/bold] wrote:
I noticed that a yougov poll for Scotland on Sunday relating to independence stated that it canvassed 1070 `Sottish-based` adults.
If a high percentage of those questioned were English or east European who never vote for independence this cannot be a true reflection of Scottish intention.[/quote] What?
If someone's "Scottish-based" that means they live here, and if they live here the chances are they're on the electoral roll and they get a vote the same as anyone else.
porker wrote:
I noticed that a yougov poll for Scotland on Sunday relating to independence stated that it canvassed 1070 `Sottish-based` adults.
If a high percentage of those questioned were English or east European who never vote for independence this cannot be a true reflection of Scottish intention.
What?
If someone's "Scottish-based" that means they live here, and if they live here the chances are they're on the electoral roll and they get a vote the same as anyone else.
Posted by: McNasty, Edinburgh on 8:46am Fri 11 Apr 08
It seems the Westminster considers, "What's yours is mine and what's mine is my own!"
Alex is standing up to the bully and all Scotland knows it.[bold]bold[/bold]
It seems the Westminster considers, "What's yours is mine and what's mine is my own!"
Alex is standing up to the bully and all Scotland knows it.
Posted by: Mac, Dundee on 9:21am Fri 11 Apr 08
Here is proof that the popularity of the SNP government at Holyrood is being translated into increasing support for Scottish independence.
Now this is something that Unionists said would never happen.
It follows on from a whole list of things that Unionists and Unionist hacks said would never happen.
1. Devolution would kill off the SNP - it didn't.
2. The SNP would never become the largest party at Holyrood - it did.
3. The SNP would never form a government - it did.
4. The SNP government would have a very short honeymoon period - it didn't.
5. The SNP government would never get it's budget passed - it did.
6. The SNP government's popularity would be short lived - it hasn't.
So when Unionists say there will never be a referendum on Scottish independence you know there will be.
Here is proof that the popularity of the SNP government at Holyrood is being translated into increasing support for Scottish independence.
Now this is something that Unionists said would never happen.
It follows on from a whole list of things that Unionists and Unionist hacks said would never happen.
1. Devolution would kill off the SNP - it didn't.
2. The SNP would never become the largest party at Holyrood - it did.
3. The SNP would never form a government - it did.
4. The SNP government would have a very short honeymoon period - it didn't.
5. The SNP government would never get it's budget passed - it did.
6. The SNP government's popularity would be short lived - it hasn't.
So when Unionists say there will never be a referendum on Scottish independence you know there will be.
Posted by: Duns Scotus, The Borders on 9:40am Fri 11 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Rev. S. Campbell[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]porker[/bold] wrote: I noticed that a yougov poll for Scotland on Sunday relating to independence stated that it canvassed 1070 `Sottish-based` adults. If a high percentage of those questioned were English or east European who never vote for independence this cannot be a true reflection of Scottish intention.[/quote] What? If someone's "Scottish-based" that means they live here, and if they live here the chances are they're on the electoral roll and they get a vote the same as anyone else.[/quote] I know English people who vote SNP. I know a Ukrainian who votes SNP. All are inhabitants of Scotland.
Rev. S. Campbell wrote:
porker wrote: I noticed that a yougov poll for Scotland on Sunday relating to independence stated that it canvassed 1070 `Sottish-based` adults. If a high percentage of those questioned were English or east European who never vote for independence this cannot be a true reflection of Scottish intention.
What? If someone's "Scottish-based" that means they live here, and if they live here the chances are they're on the electoral roll and they get a vote the same as anyone else.
I know English people who vote SNP. I know a Ukrainian who votes SNP. All are inhabitants of Scotland.
Posted by: Alastair, Aberdeen on 9:50am Fri 11 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Jimmy the Pie[/bold] wrote:
Aye where is the world's leading statistician, AM2? Not shacked up with Red Wendy are you? [/quote] No Wendy's shacked up with someone who said "you heard it here first" that independence was the best economic option for Scotland. I wonder what the pillow talk is like at bed-time. Or maybe we won't go there...............
..............
Jimmy the Pie wrote:
Aye where is the world's leading statistician, AM2? Not shacked up with Red Wendy are you?
No Wendy's shacked up with someone who said "you heard it here first" that independence was the best economic option for Scotland. I wonder what the pillow talk is like at bed-time. Or maybe we won't go there...............
..............
Posted by: Duns Scotus, The Borders on 9:54am Fri 11 Apr 08
A "must see" - Gazza Broon on US TV - [bold]Idle Scot on American Idol[/bold] . Also, see those flashing white teeth in praise of "Countdown".
Listen to that Scots burr as he says things like "my-dah" not his father, he means "might have". Hear the self-professed atheist say "Gawd bless you all."
[bold]Do the onlione poll[/bold] - the majority don't choose the overtly racist option. ([bold]awh[/bold] of Dumfries, are you reading this?)
The real Countdown is towards 1st May when the English ditch Gazza.
http://timesonline.t
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pad.com/comm
ent/2008/04/star-qua
lity.html
A "must see" - Gazza Broon on US TV -
Idle Scot on American Idol . Also, see those flashing white teeth in praise of "Countdown".
Listen to that Scots burr as he says things like "my-dah" not his father, he means "might have". Hear the self-professed atheist say "Gawd bless you all."
Do the onlione poll - the majority don't choose the overtly racist option. (
awh of Dumfries, are you reading this?)
The real Countdown is towards 1st May when the English ditch Gazza.
http://timesonline.t
ype
pad.com/comm
ent/2008/04/star-qua
lity.html
Posted by: Luigi, Aberdeen on 10:05am Fri 11 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Mac[/bold] wrote:
Here is proof that the popularity of the SNP government at Holyrood is being translated into increasing support for Scottish independence. Now this is something that Unionists said would never happen. It follows on from a whole list of things that Unionists and Unionist hacks said would never happen. 1. Devolution would kill off the SNP - it didn't. 2. The SNP would never become the largest party at Holyrood - it did. 3. The SNP would never form a government - it did. 4. The SNP government would have a very short honeymoon period - it didn't. 5. The SNP government would never get it's budget passed - it did. 6. The SNP government's popularity would be short lived - it hasn't. So when Unionists say there will never be a referendum on Scottish independence you know there will be. [/quote] And when it does come, they will tell us Scotland will never vote for independence! LoL
Thanks Mac - cheeful list - it must make depressing reading for a unionist though.
Bully Beef Broon (any else spot the resemblance?) can throw tantrums and threaten the people of Scotland as much as he likes, but he can only stall us for a while - the road to independence is a one-way street and there is no, no, no turning back.
Mac wrote:
Here is proof that the popularity of the SNP government at Holyrood is being translated into increasing support for Scottish independence. Now this is something that Unionists said would never happen. It follows on from a whole list of things that Unionists and Unionist hacks said would never happen. 1. Devolution would kill off the SNP - it didn't. 2. The SNP would never become the largest party at Holyrood - it did. 3. The SNP would never form a government - it did. 4. The SNP government would have a very short honeymoon period - it didn't. 5. The SNP government would never get it's budget passed - it did. 6. The SNP government's popularity would be short lived - it hasn't. So when Unionists say there will never be a referendum on Scottish independence you know there will be.
And when it does come, they will tell us Scotland will never vote for independence! LoL
Thanks Mac - cheeful list - it must make depressing reading for a unionist though.
Bully Beef Broon (any else spot the resemblance?) can throw tantrums and threaten the people of Scotland as much as he likes, but he can only stall us for a while - the road to independence is a one-way street and there is no, no, no turning back.
Posted by: Luigi, Aberdeen on 10:08am Fri 11 Apr 08
Big-boned Broon should get a beatles (mop) haircut to hide the eyes - then the transformation to Bully Beef will be complete!
Big-boned Broon should get a beatles (mop) haircut to hide the eyes - then the transformation to Bully Beef will be complete!
Posted by: pehman, sussex on 10:18am Fri 11 Apr 08
This is from todays Telegraph,
Earlier this week a group of Labour MPs stepped up a rebellion over plans, announced by Mr Brown in his last Budget in March last year, to abolish the 10p rate of tax.
The rebellion coincided with reports of tensions in the Cabinet, including a claim that Jack Straw, the Justice Secretary had threatened to punch Ed Balls, the Schools Secretary, in a disagreement over youth justice policy. Both ministers denied the story.
Some Labour MPs now believe Mr Brown's future as leader could even be called into question if the party performs badly in the May 1 local elections and Ken Livingstone, the Mayor of London, loses to the Tories' Boris Johnson.
Still reeling from the "loans for peerages" controversy which overshadowed Tony Blair's final year in office, Labour has a £13.5 million overdraft - and total debts of over £20 million.
The businessmen who have bankrolled the party are now being by Mr Brown to extend their loans to Labour for up to a decade.
By the end of this year, eight businessmen who lent Labour more than £10 million to fund the 2005 general election campaign are due to have their money repaid.
However, the Labour Party would be unable to afford the repayments. It is understood that Mr Brown wants to meet them at Downing Street or Chequers to discuss extending the loans for up to a decade.
Mr Brown lobbied hard for Mr Pitt-Watson to be chosen as his replacement during a five hour meeting of Labour's National Executive Committee last month.
Labour are bankrupt, and not just of ideas.
When when full time paid officials worry about their own position AND liability to prosecution
This is from todays Telegraph,
Earlier this week a group of Labour MPs stepped up a rebellion over plans, announced by Mr Brown in his last Budget in March last year, to abolish the 10p rate of tax.
The rebellion coincided with reports of tensions in the Cabinet, including a claim that Jack Straw, the Justice Secretary had threatened to punch Ed Balls, the Schools Secretary, in a disagreement over youth justice policy. Both ministers denied the story.
Some Labour MPs now believe Mr Brown's future as leader could even be called into question if the party performs badly in the May 1 local elections and Ken Livingstone, the Mayor of London, loses to the Tories' Boris Johnson.
Still reeling from the "loans for peerages" controversy which overshadowed Tony Blair's final year in office, Labour has a £13.5 million overdraft - and total debts of over £20 million.
The businessmen who have bankrolled the party are now being by Mr Brown to extend their loans to Labour for up to a decade.
By the end of this year, eight businessmen who lent Labour more than £10 million to fund the 2005 general election campaign are due to have their money repaid.
However, the Labour Party would be unable to afford the repayments. It is understood that Mr Brown wants to meet them at Downing Street or Chequers to discuss extending the loans for up to a decade.
Mr Brown lobbied hard for Mr Pitt-Watson to be chosen as his replacement during a five hour meeting of Labour's National Executive Committee last month.
Labour are bankrupt, and not just of ideas.
When when full time paid officials worry about their own position AND liability to prosecution
Posted by: Jim, Glasgow on 10:35am Fri 11 Apr 08
I have no doubts at all that the bully boy, arrogant, we know what is best attitude of the unionist parties is driving more Scots every day towards supporting independence for Scotland.
The sad thing is that the unionist are so fond of themselves that I am convinced that they do actually believe they know best and don't need to listen to anyone but themselves.
The SNP have the perfect game plan in letting them commit political suicide by not listening to the electorate. SNP will probably not win independence, it will be gifted to them by the Labour bully boy tactics.
I have no doubts at all that the bully boy, arrogant, we know what is best attitude of the unionist parties is driving more Scots every day towards supporting independence for Scotland.
The sad thing is that the unionist are so fond of themselves that I am convinced that they do actually believe they know best and don't need to listen to anyone but themselves.
The SNP have the perfect game plan in letting them commit political suicide by not listening to the electorate. SNP will probably not win independence, it will be gifted to them by the Labour bully boy tactics.
Posted by: soloman, Stirling on 10:36am Fri 11 Apr 08
If Labour are in debt to business men, then I for one don't think that they should be re negotiating anything within public buildings, go and hire a hotel room and make sure its on your day off.
Mind you there may not be space in the room for the business men as Mr Brown will probably want his side kicks with him and their heads would take up a lot of the space.
Another fine mess and some good financial planning by the best chancellor since the Tories left office.
If Labour are in debt to business men, then I for one don't think that they should be re negotiating anything within public buildings, go and hire a hotel room and make sure its on your day off.
Mind you there may not be space in the room for the business men as Mr Brown will probably want his side kicks with him and their heads would take up a lot of the space.
Another fine mess and some good financial planning by the best chancellor since the Tories left office.
Posted by: Duns Scotus, The Borders on 10:37am Fri 11 Apr 08
pehman says, [quote]However, the Labour Party would be unable to afford the repayments. It is understood that Mr Brown wants to meet them at Downing Street or Chequers to discuss extending the loans for up to a decade.[/quote] That's what happens when "the best chancellor we've ever had" is put in total control by default.
For 10 years Broon has been a pawnbroker running a casino-driven economy. Sill clucker, his chickens are coming home to roost.
BTW - when will Hain and harman be appearing in court?
pehman says,
However, the Labour Party would be unable to afford the repayments. It is understood that Mr Brown wants to meet them at Downing Street or Chequers to discuss extending the loans for up to a decade.
That's what happens when "the best chancellor we've ever had" is put in total control by default.
For 10 years Broon has been a pawnbroker running a casino-driven economy. Sill clucker, his chickens are coming home to roost.
BTW - when will Hain and harman be appearing in court?
Posted by: Jim, Glasgow on 10:39am Fri 11 Apr 08
I have no doubts at all that the bully boy, arrogant, we know what is best attitude of the unionist parties is driving more Scots every day towards supporting independence for Scotland.
The sad thing is that the unionist are so fond of themselves that I am convinced that they do actually believe they know best and don't need to listen to anyone but themselves.
The SNP have the perfect game plan in letting them commit political suicide by not listening to the electorate. SNP will probably not win independence, it will be gifted to them by the Labour bully boy tactics.
I have no doubts at all that the bully boy, arrogant, we know what is best attitude of the unionist parties is driving more Scots every day towards supporting independence for Scotland.
The sad thing is that the unionist are so fond of themselves that I am convinced that they do actually believe they know best and don't need to listen to anyone but themselves.
The SNP have the perfect game plan in letting them commit political suicide by not listening to the electorate. SNP will probably not win independence, it will be gifted to them by the Labour bully boy tactics.
Posted by: Jim, Glasgow on 10:41am Fri 11 Apr 08
I have no doubts at all that the bully boy, arrogant, we know what is best attitude of the unionist parties is driving more Scots every day towards supporting independence for Scotland.
The sad thing is that the unionist are so fond of themselves that I am convinced that they do actually believe they know best and don't need to listen to anyone but themselves.
The SNP have the perfect game plan in letting them commit political suicide by not listening to the electorate. SNP will probably not win independence, it will be gifted to them by the Labour bully boy tactics.
I have no doubts at all that the bully boy, arrogant, we know what is best attitude of the unionist parties is driving more Scots every day towards supporting independence for Scotland.
The sad thing is that the unionist are so fond of themselves that I am convinced that they do actually believe they know best and don't need to listen to anyone but themselves.
The SNP have the perfect game plan in letting them commit political suicide by not listening to the electorate. SNP will probably not win independence, it will be gifted to them by the Labour bully boy tactics.
Posted by: pehman, sussex on 10:45am Fri 11 Apr 08
Lets not forget that it was all maggie browns doing, to get the labour party into such a mess in the first place.
We should be making this more well known, as this is the guy who is trying to tell the Scottish Government how to run its affairs.
Maggie has screwed up the uk economy and the finance's of the labour party too
Lets not forget that it was all maggie browns doing, to get the labour party into such a mess in the first place.
We should be making this more well known, as this is the guy who is trying to tell the Scottish Government how to run its affairs.
Maggie has screwed up the uk economy and the finance's of the labour party too
Posted by: Jim, Glasgow on 10:47am Fri 11 Apr 08
pehman, sussex on 10:18am today
However, the Labour Party would be unable to afford the repayments. It is understood that Mr Brown wants to meet them at Downing Street or Chequers to discuss extending the loans for up to a decade.
Given that Mr Brown has the use of both of these residences by virtue of his position as Prime Minister I believe that to use them in an effort to secure party funding would be to misuse them for party political purposes.
Do I smell more fishy dealings developing?
pehman, sussex on 10:18am today
However, the Labour Party would be unable to afford the repayments. It is understood that Mr Brown wants to meet them at Downing Street or Chequers to discuss extending the loans for up to a decade.
Given that Mr Brown has the use of both of these residences by virtue of his position as Prime Minister I believe that to use them in an effort to secure party funding would be to misuse them for party political purposes.
Do I smell more fishy dealings developing?
Posted by: pehman, sussex on 10:57am Fri 11 Apr 08
Jim,
I believe you may be correct. It may be that another question is about to be put in PMQs
The last one lead to the cash for peerages investigation, what will this one lead to ?
Jim,
I believe you may be correct. It may be that another question is about to be put in PMQs
The last one lead to the cash for peerages investigation, what will this one lead to ?
Posted by: bluenose, Glasgow on 10:58am Fri 11 Apr 08
Back to the thread ,I have said on here many times the more Westminster tries to obstruct the Scottish Government the more people will see the futility of being ruled by London .
The chickens are definetley coming home to roost ,and the momentum of self determination cannot be halted only stalled .
I just wish for a general election asap
Back to the thread ,I have said on here many times the more Westminster tries to obstruct the Scottish Government the more people will see the futility of being ruled by London .
The chickens are definetley coming home to roost ,and the momentum of self determination cannot be halted only stalled .
I just wish for a general election asap
Posted by: megz, glasgow on 11:25am Fri 11 Apr 08
I'm with pehman, please don't point out their mistakes, leave them too it they are doing a fabulous job. It will be interesting to see how the may elections go and whether there will be a mutiny if the result are really bad.
I'm with pehman, please don't point out their mistakes, leave them too it they are doing a fabulous job. It will be interesting to see how the may elections go and whether there will be a mutiny if the result are really bad.
Posted by: Mike, Edinburgh on 11:45am Fri 11 Apr 08
I think the recent comeuppance for Brown and Blair, when they used their policies since 97 to near Bankrupt the UKplc. Forget reading the media here in Stalin Browns Beloved Britain, have a look at the assessment by financial experts in Asia, The US and the rest of the Worlds Experts. They reckon the UK is a basket case that has NO Money left in the kitty. Brown had to borrow even more from the Chinese just to pay some of the bills he has left the three countries with. Every public amenity has been sold, their even trying to sell hospital land to generate income.
Why would Scotland want to be part of a bankrupt UK. Christ one years tax revenue from oil would pay our share (4.5 billion according to Browns figures) and besides the 22 billion New Labour left Scotland with for Hospitals and Schools that are built out of materials that couldnt possibly hope to stand up to Scottish Weather for the thirty years of debt Wee Jockee left us with.
Britain is a basket case and will only drag Scotland further down. Its Both Our Time and our Scottish Bairns Future we need to think about. Vote SNP and lets all move on to a better future for all Scots.
I think the recent comeuppance for Brown and Blair, when they used their policies since 97 to near Bankrupt the UKplc. Forget reading the media here in Stalin Browns Beloved Britain, have a look at the assessment by financial experts in Asia, The US and the rest of the Worlds Experts. They reckon the UK is a basket case that has NO Money left in the kitty. Brown had to borrow even more from the Chinese just to pay some of the bills he has left the three countries with. Every public amenity has been sold, their even trying to sell hospital land to generate income.
Why would Scotland want to be part of a bankrupt UK. Christ one years tax revenue from oil would pay our share (4.5 billion according to Browns figures) and besides the 22 billion New Labour left Scotland with for Hospitals and Schools that are built out of materials that couldnt possibly hope to stand up to Scottish Weather for the thirty years of debt Wee Jockee left us with.
Britain is a basket case and will only drag Scotland further down. Its Both Our Time and our Scottish Bairns Future we need to think about. Vote SNP and lets all move on to a better future for all Scots.
Posted by: Lobeydosser, Woodlands Road on 12:12pm Fri 11 Apr 08
I'm with blue nose on this; but also I think that Labour will try and isolate the SNP administration, e.g. reduction of funds to scotland, local authority unions not accepting their payrise, etc.
Many will see through this politicing and give labour a b****y nose next election.
I must have missed a story somewhere; who is AM2?
I'm with blue nose on this; but also I think that Labour will try and isolate the SNP administration, e.g. reduction of funds to scotland, local authority unions not accepting their payrise, etc.
Many will see through this politicing and give labour a b****y nose next election.
I must have missed a story somewhere; who is AM2?
Posted by: scappaflow, RoS on 1:04pm Fri 11 Apr 08
That is quite a shift. Especially if the SNP are also polling at 41% in a Westminster poll!
In FPTP that would be a fairly hefty majority perhaps, although I know the nature of the vote would probably see Labour just edge it (ie no support outwith central belt whereas SNP vote is spread nationally).
Also, in a campaign with the SNP in government they would get more coverage than they usually would in a UK election.
Look forward to it.
That is quite a shift. Especially if the SNP are also polling at 41% in a Westminster poll!
In FPTP that would be a fairly hefty majority perhaps, although I know the nature of the vote would probably see Labour just edge it (ie no support outwith central belt whereas SNP vote is spread nationally).
Also, in a campaign with the SNP in government they would get more coverage than they usually would in a UK election.
Look forward to it.
Posted by: DJ, Glasgow on 1:27pm Fri 11 Apr 08
"Also, in a campaign with the SNP in government they would get more coverage than they usually would in a UK election."
The downside of course is that with only one policy, people would get a bit bored with them over the course of a 2 month election battle.
"Also, in a campaign with the SNP in government they would get more coverage than they usually would in a UK election."
The downside of course is that with only one policy, people would get a bit bored with them over the course of a 2 month election battle.
Posted by: Wallace, Perth on 1:34pm Fri 11 Apr 08
On the subject of the UK Labour Government's bullying tactics, a High Court Judge in England has ruled against 2 Jobs Des Browne's attempt to prevent coroners from blaming MOD failure to supply proper equipment for the deaths of British soldiers serving in combat situations abroad.
Further, the English High Court has also ruled that soldiers on active service abroad are entitled to the protection of the Human Rights Act, if they allege the MOD are putting their lives at risk by failing to equip them properly.
Guess what - 2 Jobs Browne is appealing this judgement! Seems he and British Broon are quite content to send British soldiers into combat without up-to-date equipment, which could help save their lives and enable them to fight more effectively.
No surprise there then. Consistent with their similar bullying and penny-pinching tactics, which they are employing against the SNP government, in a blatent attempt to undermine it.
On the subject of the UK Labour Government's bullying tactics, a High Court Judge in England has ruled against 2 Jobs Des Browne's attempt to prevent coroners from blaming MOD failure to supply proper equipment for the deaths of British soldiers serving in combat situations abroad.
Further, the English High Court has also ruled that soldiers on active service abroad are entitled to the protection of the Human Rights Act, if they allege the MOD are putting their lives at risk by failing to equip them properly.
Guess what - 2 Jobs Browne is appealing this judgement! Seems he and British Broon are quite content to send British soldiers into combat without up-to-date equipment, which could help save their lives and enable them to fight more effectively.
No surprise there then. Consistent with their similar bullying and penny-pinching tactics, which they are employing against the SNP government, in a blatent attempt to undermine it.
Posted by: Astonished, Inverclyde on 1:36pm Fri 11 Apr 08
DJ - Is that your best shot ?
At least you weren't gratitiously insulting.
The SNP have lots of excellent policies however London Labour are doing everything in their power to stop Scotland.
You appear a decent fellow - Come away from the dark side - the sooner the better.
DJ - Is that your best shot ?
At least you weren't gratitiously insulting.
The SNP have lots of excellent policies however London Labour are doing everything in their power to stop Scotland.
You appear a decent fellow - Come away from the dark side - the sooner the better.
Posted by: Wallace, Perth on 1:42pm Fri 11 Apr 08
DJ, aren't you confusing the SNP with Newly-Red Wendy's lot, whose only police would be to get their greedy snouts back into the brown envelope trough, where they could hand out dodgy building contracts to Labour Party contributors? Mind you, I suppose it must be quite expensive to keep Jackie Baillie in pies, and Wendy in lipstick, not to mention Baron Barlinnie's booze bill.
DJ, aren't you confusing the SNP with Newly-Red Wendy's lot, whose only police would be to get their greedy snouts back into the brown envelope trough, where they could hand out dodgy building contracts to Labour Party contributors? Mind you, I suppose it must be quite expensive to keep Jackie Baillie in pies, and Wendy in lipstick, not to mention Baron Barlinnie's booze bill.
Posted by: Wallace, Perth on 1:44pm Fri 11 Apr 08
Typo - for police, read policy. Sorry about that.
Typo - for police, read policy. Sorry about that.
Posted by: Ramsay, Hamburg on 2:17pm Fri 11 Apr 08
Alas, even this opinion poll is unlikely to make much of an impression on unionist diehards, who appear to be convinced that the present labyrinthine British constitutional structure, even or parhaps especially at its Scottish end, which is no more democratic than they wish it to be, just as the truth is what they say it is, will be strong enough to protect them against the gathering will of the people.
A referendum on independence will be resisted until the people get out into the streets and demonstrate their insistence upon having one by mounting mass demonstrations in support of that up and down the country every week year after year until it happens.
The participation of a few Tibetan Buddhist monks in saffron robes might help to make the point.
Alas, even this opinion poll is unlikely to make much of an impression on unionist diehards, who appear to be convinced that the present labyrinthine British constitutional structure, even or parhaps especially at its Scottish end, which is no more democratic than they wish it to be, just as the truth is what they say it is, will be strong enough to protect them against the gathering will of the people.
A referendum on independence will be resisted until the people get out into the streets and demonstrate their insistence upon having one by mounting mass demonstrations in support of that up and down the country every week year after year until it happens.
The participation of a few Tibetan Buddhist monks in saffron robes might help to make the point.
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Posted by: paul holmes, fife on 3:15pm Fri 11 Apr 08
And this against a backdrop of labour scaremongering and almost uniform press hostility to the idea. We could do with a Fahrenheit 9/11 style film to come and explode all the myths that hold this nation back.
And this against a backdrop of labour scaremongering and almost uniform press hostility to the idea. We could do with a Fahrenheit 9/11 style film to come and explode all the myths that hold this nation back.
Posted by: Carmichael, Scotland on 3:22pm Fri 11 Apr 08
Polls will fluctuate and they will change and this is all part of the process. I did resent the figure of 23% being used by nearly everyone when discussing Scottish politics. They seemed to utter it with too much relish and certainty for my liking and it almost seemed to garner an element of truth that was entirely unwarranted. I doubt, however, the figure of 41% will be repeated as often because, despite it still not being a majority, and there have been polls that show a majority for independence in the past, it doesn't quite justify the arguments that usually followed the 23% utterance. Arguments that usually amounted to no more than statements that independence not being an issue, or Scottish people not being interested, and all that. Even Calman, the chair of that review, you remember, yes I nearly forgot all about it as well, concluded all those arguments much to my surprise in front of all the cameras. I suppose there must have been some comfort for those who wanted that figure to be static and by repeating 23% they nestled that thought close like a child's security blanket.
Scottish politics is not static, though, and is in a process and so things will change and are changing and eventually we will emerge at the end of this process with something close to a settlement. Only for a wee while, though, at least. And so I think of Robertson's often recalled, mockingly mostly, that devolution would kill nationalism in Scotland. That always seemed to me to be, firstly, quite an extreme and intolerant thing to say and, secondly, an ill-considerd assessment. I thought, at the time, that it was foolish because, especially now, devolution was never going to satisfy my belief that Scotland would be best being independent. I thought, for a wee while, that devolution could be the best Scotland could expect and so I supported devolution. But, I can't ever think of a time when I won't desire an independent Scotland and there will be many, many more every day, like me. Devolution-max doesn't make sense to me. Federalism seems like the worst of both worlds, if I weigh it up, and a Confederal Britain makes even less sense than a Federal Britain. So, Robertson may have wanted what he said to be true and may have said it to try and hold it close like a child's blanket but it wasn't true and thankfully his, and his cohorts, hubris can allow people in Scotland the chance to make Scotland a better place for the future.
Polls will fluctuate and they will change and this is all part of the process. I did resent the figure of 23% being used by nearly everyone when discussing Scottish politics. They seemed to utter it with too much relish and certainty for my liking and it almost seemed to garner an element of truth that was entirely unwarranted. I doubt, however, the figure of 41% will be repeated as often because, despite it still not being a majority, and there have been polls that show a majority for independence in the past, it doesn't quite justify the arguments that usually followed the 23% utterance. Arguments that usually amounted to no more than statements that independence not being an issue, or Scottish people not being interested, and all that. Even Calman, the chair of that review, you remember, yes I nearly forgot all about it as well, concluded all those arguments much to my surprise in front of all the cameras. I suppose there must have been some comfort for those who wanted that figure to be static and by repeating 23% they nestled that thought close like a child's security blanket.
Scottish politics is not static, though, and is in a process and so things will change and are changing and eventually we will emerge at the end of this process with something close to a settlement. Only for a wee while, though, at least. And so I think of Robertson's often recalled, mockingly mostly, that devolution would kill nationalism in Scotland. That always seemed to me to be, firstly, quite an extreme and intolerant thing to say and, secondly, an ill-considerd assessment. I thought, at the time, that it was foolish because, especially now, devolution was never going to satisfy my belief that Scotland would be best being independent. I thought, for a wee while, that devolution could be the best Scotland could expect and so I supported devolution. But, I can't ever think of a time when I won't desire an independent Scotland and there will be many, many more every day, like me. Devolution-max doesn't make sense to me. Federalism seems like the worst of both worlds, if I weigh it up, and a Confederal Britain makes even less sense than a Federal Britain. So, Robertson may have wanted what he said to be true and may have said it to try and hold it close like a child's blanket but it wasn't true and thankfully his, and his cohorts, hubris can allow people in Scotland the chance to make Scotland a better place for the future.
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Posted by: Van Helsing - Nat Slayer, Lanarkshire on 3:43pm Fri 11 Apr 08
Wow! A mega Natfest indeed. Crinkly hankies all round methinks. This board is hilarious. Keep it coming Nats as you really are great entertainment. Honestly. Dream on about independence - it's just not going to happen. You won't get the chance to drag this country down to third world level, so ignore any polls - they don't count and you know it. Forget what the Dyke says and just enjoy the fact that Fat Eck and the merry band of List MSPs are in charge at the moment. This is as good as it gets, sheepies. Baa!
Wow! A mega Natfest indeed. Crinkly hankies all round methinks. This board is hilarious. Keep it coming Nats as you really are great entertainment. Honestly. Dream on about independence - it's just not going to happen. You won't get the chance to drag this country down to third world level, so ignore any polls - they don't count and you know it. Forget what the Dyke says and just enjoy the fact that Fat Eck and the merry band of List MSPs are in charge at the moment. This is as good as it gets, sheepies. Baa!
Posted by: Karin, glasgae. on 3:59pm Fri 11 Apr 08
van helsing.
So you say that independence would drag scotland down to a third world level. I assume then that the same is also true of what would be left of the uk once scotland leaves.
If its not could you please explain why?
One has to assume that if one part of the union would suffer from scotland becoming independent then so must the other parts.
If you are not implying that the rest of the uk would also become third world then you must be implying that england is subsiddising scotland in which case that makes you a subsidy junkie incapable of standing on your own two feet.
Which is it?
and by the way that myth of scotland being a subsidy junkie has been disproven time and time again. So either you want to take more than your fair share and not stand on your own two feet or your the sheep and a perpetrating a proven lie.
van helsing.
So you say that independence would drag scotland down to a third world level. I assume then that the same is also true of what would be left of the uk once scotland leaves.
If its not could you please explain why?
One has to assume that if one part of the union would suffer from scotland becoming independent then so must the other parts.
If you are not implying that the rest of the uk would also become third world then you must be implying that england is subsiddising scotland in which case that makes you a subsidy junkie incapable of standing on your own two feet.
Which is it?
and by the way that myth of scotland being a subsidy junkie has been disproven time and time again. So either you want to take more than your fair share and not stand on your own two feet or your the sheep and a perpetrating a proven lie.
Posted by: George Laird, Glasgow on 4:01pm Fri 11 Apr 08
Dear All
Having previously commented that Gordon Brown and his Labour cabal of cronies having been involved in attempting to bully scots, I am glad people are picking up on the message as well as the Herald.
Yet again Labour picks the wrong tactic!
It is a wonder that people never kicked them out before now, still better late than never!
Why is Wendy Alexander so quiet on the bullying of Scottish people?
Yours sincerely
George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University
Dear All
Having previously commented that Gordon Brown and his Labour cabal of cronies having been involved in attempting to bully scots, I am glad people are picking up on the message as well as the Herald.
Yet again Labour picks the wrong tactic!
It is a wonder that people never kicked them out before now, still better late than never!
Why is Wendy Alexander so quiet on the bullying of Scottish people?
Yours sincerely
George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University
Posted by: paul holmes, fife on 4:06pm Fri 11 Apr 08
Van Helsing- your 'best it gets' days are clearly behind you, but don't be so bitter. As your lot used to singalong 'thinnnggggs can only get better'.. for us nats it's true.
Van Helsing- your 'best it gets' days are clearly behind you, but don't be so bitter. As your lot used to singalong 'thinnnggggs can only get better'.. for us nats it's true.
Posted by: allymax, yuk on 4:09pm Fri 11 Apr 08
Yep, angiolini and her keystones have gone too far; backfired really elish didn't it!
Yep, angiolini and her keystones have gone too far; backfired really elish didn't it!
Posted by: allymax, yuk on 4:10pm Fri 11 Apr 08
Yep, angiolini and her keystones have gone too far; bak-fired really elish, didn't it!
Yep, angiolini and her keystones have gone too far; bak-fired really elish, didn't it!
Posted by: Prof. Wilkins, Institute of Traditional Strategum on 4:13pm Fri 11 Apr 08
As a professor in the Institute of Strategum, we have worked tirelessly analysing Scottish behaviour within England.
The problem with 'polls' is that they are simply a reflection of they way people are thinking. As such, not much credit can be given to them. In most cases, polling results are just numbers. It can be mathematically proven that Hitler existed. As such anyone who believes in numbers believes in Hitler. Following from this article, the SNP believes in poll, thusly numbers, thusly Hitler.
touche perhaps? touche?
As a professor in the Institute of Strategum, we have worked tirelessly analysing Scottish behaviour within England.
The problem with 'polls' is that they are simply a reflection of they way people are thinking. As such, not much credit can be given to them. In most cases, polling results are just numbers. It can be mathematically proven that Hitler existed. As such anyone who believes in numbers believes in Hitler. Following from this article, the SNP believes in poll, thusly numbers, thusly Hitler.
touche perhaps? touche?
Posted by: AM2, Glasgow on 4:13pm Fri 11 Apr 08
Nicola Sturgeon has made a complete fool of herself.
Progressive Scottish Opinion is an opt-in polling organisation which anyone over 18 years of age who lives in the UK, personally uses the internet and has their own email address may join. Unsurprisingly, it is not a member of the British Polling Council.
The multi-option polls over the past year or so give a far clearer picture.
25 March 2007: Populus/Times – 27%
17 April 2007: Populus/Times – 15%
30 April 2007: Populus/Times – 21%
?? May 2007: ESRC Scottish Election Study – 22%
19 August 2007: YouGov/Sunday Times – 23%
31 October 2007: Scottish Social Attitudes – 23%
16 March 2008: MRUK/Sunday Times – 23%
Alex Salmond recognises this. On 30 March 2008, he said: “Support for independence is now about a quarter.” Can anyone suggest why he should be able to face such facts but his deputy seemingly wants to obscure them?
Nicola Sturgeon has made a complete fool of herself.
Progressive Scottish Opinion is an opt-in polling organisation which anyone over 18 years of age who lives in the UK, personally uses the internet and has their own email address may join. Unsurprisingly, it is not a member of the British Polling Council.
The multi-option polls over the past year or so give a far clearer picture.
25 March 2007: Populus/Times – 27%
17 April 2007: Populus/Times – 15%
30 April 2007: Populus/Times – 21%
?? May 2007: ESRC Scottish Election Study – 22%
19 August 2007: YouGov/Sunday Times – 23%
31 October 2007: Scottish Social Attitudes – 23%
16 March 2008: MRUK/Sunday Times – 23%
Alex Salmond recognises this. On 30 March 2008, he said: “Support for independence is now about a quarter.” Can anyone suggest why he should be able to face such facts but his deputy seemingly wants to obscure them?
Posted by: Prof. Wilkins, Institute of Traditional Strategum on 4:17pm Fri 11 Apr 08
AM2 is right, some polls can be trusted and some can't, I think all polls before April 2008 can be trusted.
AM2 is right, some polls can be trusted and some can't, I think all polls before April 2008 can be trusted.
Posted by: Astonished, Inverclyde on 4:17pm Fri 11 Apr 08
AM2 - Desperate stuff indeed !
Put simply - I pity you.
AM2 - Desperate stuff indeed !
Put simply - I pity you.
Posted by: TheGlaswegian, Edinburgh on 4:19pm Fri 11 Apr 08
Prof. Wilkins, sober up dude! I've never read such p1sh. Ever.
Prof. Wilkins, sober up dude! I've never read such p1sh. Ever.
Posted by: Melanthios on 4:24pm Fri 11 Apr 08
Posted by: AM2, Glasgow on 4:13pm today
[quote]Alex Salmond recognises this. On 30 March 2008, he said: “Support for independence is now about a quarter.” Can anyone suggest why he should be able to face such facts but his deputy seemingly wants to obscure them?[/quote]
To annoy you maybe? How are things AM2?
Posted by: AM2, Glasgow on 4:13pm today
Alex Salmond recognises this. On 30 March 2008, he said: “Support for independence is now about a quarter.” Can anyone suggest why he should be able to face such facts but his deputy seemingly wants to obscure them?
To annoy you maybe? How are things AM2?
Posted by: Carlo, Inverclyde on 4:34pm Fri 11 Apr 08
Only [italic]slightly[/italic] related, I know, but I was watching President Sarkozy (and his eye candy missus) addressing Broon & Co. this afternoon. He referred to "the French and the English..." and the translator quickly changed this to "French and British" (ignoring those from Ulster as usual).
I was quite surprised to see Captain Darling dribbling at the sight of Mme Sarkozy on the platform, because I never realised he was straight. Or maybe it was Nicolas.
Only
slightly related, I know, but I was watching President Sarkozy (and his eye candy missus) addressing Broon & Co. this afternoon. He referred to "the French and the English..." and the translator quickly changed this to "French and British" (ignoring those from Ulster as usual).
I was quite surprised to see Captain Darling dribbling at the sight of Mme Sarkozy on the platform, because I never realised he was straight. Or maybe it was Nicolas.
Posted by: Melanthios on 4:37pm Fri 11 Apr 08
Posted by: Carlo, Inverclyde on 4:34pm today
[quote]I was quite surprised to see Captain Darling dribbling at the sight of Mme Sarkozy on the platform, because I never realised he was straight. Or maybe it was Nicolas.[/quote]
What a scurrilous remark. He's as straight as the PM.
Posted by: Carlo, Inverclyde on 4:34pm today
I was quite surprised to see Captain Darling dribbling at the sight of Mme Sarkozy on the platform, because I never realised he was straight. Or maybe it was Nicolas.
What a scurrilous remark. He's as straight as the PM.
Posted by: Prof. Wilkins, Institute of Traditional Strategum on 4:37pm Fri 11 Apr 08
I knew Alistair [Darling] from my Loretto days. We had a good time together, bunking in Kirkcaldy. I can safely say his flirtations with homosexuality were completely natural for an adolescent male.
I knew Alistair from my Loretto days. We had a good time together, bunking in Kirkcaldy. I can safely say his flirtations with homosexuality were completely natural for an adolescent male.
Posted by: Luigi, Aberdeen on 4:44pm Fri 11 Apr 08
AM2,
Thanks for the wake-up call. For once I agree with you, a single opinion poll result is nothing to get excited about.
Curious though - of those recent (multi-option) results you listed, what were the proportions that wanted status quo?
AM2,
Thanks for the wake-up call. For once I agree with you, a single opinion poll result is nothing to get excited about.
Curious though - of those recent (multi-option) results you listed, what were the proportions that wanted status quo?
Posted by: George Laird, Glasgow on 4:46pm Fri 11 Apr 08
[quote][bold]AM2[/bold] wrote:
Nicola Sturgeon has made a complete fool of herself. Progressive Scottish Opinion is an opt-in polling organisation which anyone over 18 years of age who lives in the UK, personally uses the internet and has their own email address may join. Unsurprisingly, it is not a member of the British Polling Council. The multi-option polls over the past year or so give a far clearer picture. 25 March 2007: Populus/Times – 27% 17 April 2007: Populus/Times – 15% 30 April 2007: Populus/Times – 21% ?? May 2007: ESRC Scottish Election Study – 22% 19 August 2007: YouGov/Sunday Times – 23% 31 October 2007: Scottish Social Attitudes – 23% 16 March 2008: MRUK/Sunday Times – 23% Alex Salmond recognises this. On 30 March 2008, he said: “Support for independence is now about a quarter.” Can anyone suggest why he should be able to face such facts but his deputy seemingly wants to obscure them?[/quote] Dear AM2
Are you still upset about losing the May Election?
The polls have closed for god sake!!!!!!
As to whether Ms. Sturgeon making a fool of herself, I haven't seen it yet.
However if she did then unlike Wendy Alexander, the people wouldn't mind, makes her more human.
Show me someone who isn't prepared to look an arse and I will show you unhappy people.
Why you support Labour, the Party of corruption?
You in the trough too?
Finally I see the unconvicted lawbreaker Charles Gordon has sneaked back onto the telly, the stench of guilt hangs about him like dog dirt on your shoe on a hot day!
Not surprised that he advocates low key politics with his record!!!!!
Yours sincerely
George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University
AM2 wrote:
Nicola Sturgeon has made a complete fool of herself. Progressive Scottish Opinion is an opt-in polling organisation which anyone over 18 years of age who lives in the UK, personally uses the internet and has their own email address may join. Unsurprisingly, it is not a member of the British Polling Council. The multi-option polls over the past year or so give a far clearer picture. 25 March 2007: Populus/Times – 27% 17 April 2007: Populus/Times – 15% 30 April 2007: Populus/Times – 21% ?? May 2007: ESRC Scottish Election Study – 22% 19 August 2007: YouGov/Sunday Times – 23% 31 October 2007: Scottish Social Attitudes – 23% 16 March 2008: MRUK/Sunday Times – 23% Alex Salmond recognises this. On 30 March 2008, he said: “Support for independence is now about a quarter.” Can anyone suggest why he should be able to face such facts but his deputy seemingly wants to obscure them?
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