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Why it’s a good idea to avoid the First Minister’s elephant traps
IAN BELLMarch 28 2008

Douglas Fraser: "How do we score the Commission/ Conversation battle between the SNP and Unionists?"

How do you solve a problem like a First Minister? Always stick to your point. Never, ever stray on to his turf. It's dangerous.

Stick to your point as though manacled to it, and treat his turf as camouflage for an elephant trap.

Forget these rules and Alex Salmond will be waltzing off into the distance, bellowing speeches that have nothing whatever to do with the questions you were trying to ask.

You, conversely, will be in a hole you didn't see coming, and as miffed - this has become the current yardstick - as Wendy Alexander was yesterday.

All politicians practice the art of the hijack, but few are as consummate in sheer banditry as our First Minister.

A naive observer might have wondered how some reasonable questions about cuts in council services became a row over a multi-option constitutional referendum. The Labour leader knows the answer.

She mentioned the plebiscite. It was the merest aside - something about Mr Salmond "trying to gerrymander his way to independence" - but it was enough. The ball was in play.

Disability day-care centres and Aberdeen council's crisis? Cuts in services across the country? These were real issues, or rather one issue (who pays?), but you could almost see the First Minister limbering up.

There was some preliminary quibbling over blame for the cuts. The heart of the matter, if anyone cared, is that councils get much of their money from Edinburgh, but Edinburgh gets all of its money from London. Promises become post-dated cheques.

Ms Alexander hit Mr Salmond well and hard, nevertheless, in the early exchanges. Bluntly, the SNP's "historic agreement" with local government might seem less than impressive, currently, if you are disabled in Aberdeen.

But then temptation arrived, and she couldn't resist. Why pay for jokes if you don't use them? "A series of single transferable excuses," she mocked. Now, thought this observer, what's the one thing the Eck would like to talk about this week?

He was off. Labour didn't care for it. Labour cared even less for the fact that there was not a thing they could do about it. In any case, as Mr Salmond said, leaving local government finance as a distant memory, they are "languishing" in the polls.

Still, poor Labour has not always despised the multi-option route to national salvation, the First Minister noted. Soon enough, Donald Dewar, John Smith, and even a certain Gordon Brown were marched into the lobby.

Elephant traps need preparation. From the recesses of his memory, or perhaps from his script, the First Minister produced the claim that Mr Brown had called for a multi-option poll in a May Day speech.

Admittedly, this was back in 1992. But who was a groomed-for-stardom Labour researcher at that time?

The Wendy Alexander in question would have loved the chance to respond. The timing of Mr Salmond's strike, by pure coincidence, allowed no such opportunity. Tories and Liberals received like treatment.

You might call it the judgment of history. You might also describe it as Mr Salmond's interpretation of the expression "You can talk".

Annabel Goldie propounded the view that the best way to reduce prison numbers is to reduce crime - amazing - but felt that we should meanwhile bang up miscreants regardless.

Mr Salmond observed that the Tories built no new prisons in 17 years; that absconding was a bigger problem then than now; and that Ms Goldie's party had introduced automatic early release.

Nicol Stephen had fun with changed SNP attitudes towards the Reliance "Lags'R'Us" service. The First Minister reminded us that the Liberals, in government, had been rather less agitated.

Questions, anyone?


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Posted by: Duns Scotus, The Borders on 12:10am Fri 28 Mar 08
There speaks a leading member of the "Illiteratti".
Posted by: Kent, Edinburgh on 12:11am Fri 28 Mar 08
Proud to be a $hithouse, you forgot the 'a'.

Numpty
Posted by: bob mckay, glasgow on 12:13am Fri 28 Mar 08
He is a consumate politician made more powerful by a common touch and conviction, but take him away from the SNP and its a different kettle of fish..or should that be kettle of sturgeon.
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 12:15am Fri 28 Mar 08
Duns Scotus wrote:
There speaks a leading member of the "Illiteratti".

LOL
Posted by: ditchgazza on 12:15am Fri 28 Mar 08
Very erudite comment PTBS. Made me realise that the great thinkers and political philosophers of our time are in the labour party.
Remind me to join up as soon as possible.
Posted by: ditchgazza on 12:19am Fri 28 Mar 08
Very erudite comment PTBS. Made me realise that the great thinkers and political philosophers of our time are in the labour party.
Remind me to join up as soon as possible.
Posted by: Samoyed, Costa del Menie on 12:28am Fri 28 Mar 08
Hey! Pish to be sprayed, how do you manage to post so soon after midnight? Got a set of pre recorded "comments" that always cause awe and admiration for their insight and wisdom?
Do you realize you are one of the nats best assets? You are doing more to bring independence to Scotland than AS.

Apropos of nothing Mr Bell, is yours a case of piles, heartburn, gout or earache what causes you to be so much on AS support?
Posted by: Astonished, Inverclyde on 12:31am Fri 28 Mar 08
I have no doubt that PtbB and bob mckay will be at the Labour conference cheering for Wendy.

Posted by: subrosa on 12:35am Fri 28 Mar 08
Alex was quick as a flash. Too quick for Ms Alexander who looked as if she was on a theatre stage with her posturing. I think she's too interested in being on TV than doing the serious job of being leader of one of the opposition parties. Get a better teacher Wendy - perhaps try a first level drama course.
Posted by: Steve A, Glasgow on 12:59am Fri 28 Mar 08
Headline says Why its a good idea to avoid the first ministers elephant traps!Conclusion Wendy thinks that's only a problem for Jackie the hutt Bailey and so is only to happy to jump in head first .
Posted by: Vivas, Embra on 1:24am Fri 28 Mar 08
Marginally better effort this week from Mr. Bell, a solid C after last weeks D-

Still mystified though as to how he's got so bad at this stuff so quickly.
Posted by: Dave, Away on 1:42am Fri 28 Mar 08
Vivas wrote:
Marginally better effort this week from Mr. Bell, a solid C after last weeks D- Still mystified though as to how he's got so bad at this stuff so quickly.
He's trying to trash Alex with the results of FMQ sessions...poor fellow will soon have a drinking problem if he doesn't already.

Alex Salmond is used to playing in the big league of fast talkers at Westminster....if he was facing Gordon Brown he'd hold his own. The SLP would need someone like Blair or maybe Cairns to trouble him.......

Anabelle is still in love with him and What's-his-name still seems like a child.....Salmond is loving this....must be wondering when the fairy-tale ride will end.

Wendy is learning but the curve is mountain-steep against pros.....
Pia has done the best so far....
Posted by: Alex on 2:06am Fri 28 Mar 08
A lot is being made of Aberdeen council being forced to make cuts in services. This hasn't just happened. Audit Scotland has been warning the council for some years about their budget. Cuts were delayed until after the Election but had to be implemented this year. So the situation built up before the SNP came to power and cuts were already scheduled for this year .
So who was in power when this situation was forming? It certainly wasn't the SNP. Further by removing the budget constraints on the democratically elected local government the council are now responsible for their spending and answerable to the electorate
Posted by: kyle, glasgow on 2:09am Fri 28 Mar 08
alex salmond is by far the best politician we have in Scotland either sitting in Holyrood or Westminster. The jokes that are supposed to oppose him in Holyrood sit in awe at his performances every week whilst their superiors in England sit and squirm while they watch the pathetic excuses for politicians they send out to Holyrood from the Lab-Cons-Lib dums coalition. Brown, Cameron and Clegg would have a LOT of trouble handling Salmond in Westminster or Holyrood. (especially Brown, as he'd probably get lost on his way to dinner)

Nippy Stephen sounds just like hes reading from an auto-cue that someone in London is writing, because Clegg knows he's got a man with the mental age of 11 representing him in Edinburgh. Goldie is a 'never - has - been' . And well............ Wendy is just biding her time before a new scandal comes out that will almost certainly knock her off her 'not so powerful stool'. And by stool i dont mean her brother('s couch).
Posted by: jock the kipper, ny usa on 3:38am Fri 28 Mar 08
In a battle of wits these people are defenseless, I hope playing with these numpties doesn't spoil AS's game. Best laugh I've had since BBC America stopped showing Monty Python.
Posted by: Donald Anderson, glasgow on 5:57am Fri 28 Mar 08
Does anyone notice how Wee Bendy postures like a miniature Mussolini in Holyrood?

Her wee asides might get a cheer from her smug numpty peers, but are easily flattened by any sensible person, such as Alex Salmond.
Posted by: Davy, Erskine on 6:10am Fri 28 Mar 08
Totally misleading headline. Elephant traps are for the Jackie Baillie's of this world who never forget to make an utter fool of themselves time after time.
Alex's traps for Wendy need be no bigger every Thursday than those used for wee sleekit cowerin timorous beasties that have at last popped their heid over the parapet to see if the coast is clear.
Posted by: Hamish McKropotkin, Bannockburn on 6:18am Fri 28 Mar 08
Very impressive from Mr Salmond - he refused to answer any questions and failed to reassure the most vulnerable in our society that their interests are being looked after - well he couldn't, such obvious lies are impermissable in parliament. The half truths are perfectly acceptable however - these apparently are the sign of a politician at the top of his game. However to quote an old yiddish saying: a half truth is a whole lie.
If the nationalist posters on here are to be believed we should be proud that our premier politician is a liar and a charlatan, getting away with lies and ducking responsibility apparently is the yardstick with which we measure political success in SNP controlled Holyrood:
And as Mr Salmond smirks and lies his way through his first ministership I'd advise you not to be old, don't be ill and whatever you do don't need education or any other council services currently being slashed to pay for this increasingly nauseating man's vanity projects. Reject the other tory party in Scotland and their pathetic and damaging lies. Freedom soon will come, Avanti!
Posted by: Davy, Erskine on 6:51am Fri 28 Mar 08
Talking about ' Timorous Beasties,' anyone notice that Gordon Brown has sponsored their new stylish ' Eco Friendly ' carrier bag ( See Herald site main picture )
Posted by: bluenose, Glasgow on 6:51am Fri 28 Mar 08
Reading Hamish McKroptkin , makes you realise why Scotland has been in such disarray for decades.
The fact of matter is this ,any cuts or perceived cuts have not been the result of the present government , but very much the result of the previous administrations.
In fact in Aberdeen the said council the SNP until May had not been anywhere near power .
Audit Scotland had warned and warned them of the need for cuts in the budget.
However Hamish and all other Brit nats would not let something like truth or fact get in the way of a good slur against our Scottish Government .
Indeed Hamish and Co would rather we had a Scottish Executive forelock tugging to their masters in London.
Get of your knees man and stand up for your country and fellow Scots rather than being an Uncle Tom to Westminster .
Posted by: bluenose, Glasgow on 6:52am Fri 28 Mar 08
Reading Hamish McKroptkin , makes you realise why Scotland has been in such disarray for decades.
The fact of matter is this ,any cuts or perceived cuts have not been the result of the present government , but very much the result of the previous administrations.
In fact in Aberdeen the said council the SNP until May had not been anywhere near power .
Audit Scotland had warned and warned them of the need for cuts in the budget.
However Hamish and all other Brit nats would not let something like truth or fact get in the way of a good slur against our Scottish Government .
Indeed Hamish and Co would rather we had a Scottish Executive forelock tugging to their masters in London.
Get of your knees man and stand up for your country and fellow Scots rather than being an Uncle Tom to Westminster .
Posted by: iang on 7:21am Fri 28 Mar 08
One of the common thems of Labours election campaign last may was:-

Labout at Local level
Labour at Devolved level
Labour at National level

Was this so they could keep their mis-management hidden? They also claimed it was the only way to secure top funding during the election,a fact bourne out afterwards with the lowest increase in the payout to Scotland in 8 years of devolution. There is no co-incidence in this!

As for AS and the SNP, they have always acted with Scotlands interest first, the other parties struggle to provide their best politicos because they are needed at westminster, where they can be told what to do by a man who has no ability as a leader and no backbone to stand up to the church, or anyone else who wants a say, and tell them to F-off and mind their own business.
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 8:38am Fri 28 Mar 08
Davy wrote:
Talking about ' Timorous Beasties,' anyone notice that Gordon Brown has sponsored their new stylish ' Eco Friendly ' carrier bag ( See Herald site main picture )

LOL
Posted by: Lachlan, Stirling on 9:03am Fri 28 Mar 08
What an ineffectual bunch of political fools we have leading our Unionist parties in Scotland!

LIke a bunch of comic stooges, Alexander, Stephens and Goldie feed Salmond the lines, and he delivers devastating punchlines and wipes the floor with them! Do these Unionist politicians never do any research before opening their big mouths and embarrassing Unionists everywhere?

Unless the Scots Unionist parties come to terms with the realpolitik of the minority Nationalist government and stand up to Salmond
they might well find themselves in Opposition for another 4 years?

Anyone would think that the Nationalists held a huge majority at Holyrood, instead of the other way round!
Posted by: Lachlan, Stirling on 9:04am Fri 28 Mar 08
What an ineffectual bunch of political fools we have leading our Unionist parties in Scotland!

LIke a bunch of comic stooges, Alexander, Stephens and Goldie feed Salmond the lines, and he delivers devastating punchlines and wipes the floor with them! Do these Unionist politicians never do any research before opening their big mouths and embarrassing Unionists everywhere?

Unless the Scots Unionist parties come to terms with the realpolitik of the minority Nationalist government and stand up to Salmond
they might well find themselves in Opposition for another 4 years?

Anyone would think that the Nationalists held a huge majority at Holyrood, instead of the other way round!
Posted by: Grumpywull, Blairgowrie on 9:48am Fri 28 Mar 08
A good, humorous article from Ian Bell. I had a laugh yesterday listening to FMQ's when Bendy Wendy dropped her clanger, and I laughed even more this morning when reading Ian Bell.
FMQ's is now the Top of the Political Pop TV shows!
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 9:53am Fri 28 Mar 08

THE USUAL BRAIN FRIED AGGRESSION

Proud To Be Skittish
Alex salmond - slippery

Chairman Krapology
Mr Salmond - he refused


And here is Krapology plagiarising the Welsh windbag, Kinnock.
And as Mr Salmond smirks and lies his way through his first ministership I'd advise you not to be old, don't be ill and whatever you do don't need education


For a compulsive head-butting thug the term, "I advise," must be difficult to pronounce.

Posted by: buccleuch, Glasgow on 10:02am Fri 28 Mar 08
'the Bell' tolls.
'Alexander hit Salmond well and hard..' ahem.
Not to even delve into the recent history of the financial situation in Aberdeen council and the real reasons tsk tsk.
You used to be such a good journalist as well...shame...all these bitter confused, labour diehards wandering aimlessly around clutching at Wendy Alexander.
Really, I can't watch...it's tooo embarassing
Posted by: buccleuch, Glasgow on 10:05am Fri 28 Mar 08
'the Bell' tolls.
'Alexander hit Salmond well and hard..' ahem.
Not to even delve into the recent history of the financial situation in Aberdeen council and the real reasons tsk tsk.
You used to be such a good journalist as well...shame...all these bitter confused, labour diehards wandering aimlessly around clutching at Wendy Alexander.
Really, I can't watch...it's tooo embarassing
Posted by: Cass, Spain on 10:06am Fri 28 Mar 08
Forget Salmond, you just described every politician who ever opened his mouth. Just watch PM question time at Westminster and any political TV show for the living proof.
Posted by: Tony Lewis, Ayrshire on 10:07am Fri 28 Mar 08
I note the usual Labour v SNP rubbish rules still on this comments site.

Fact is nationalism, by it's very nature cannot substitute for real democracy.

Fact is we don't have real democracy in this country and Labour have spent the last 10 years reducing free speach and freedom of the individual.

Sound bites and smart Alec's don't make for good government and poor opposition makes the problem even worse.

The way ahead is not clear at the moment but recent history demonstrates that there is a real need for decent leadership with sound policies that will focus on improving the wealth creation of this country for all of us to enjoy!

Cometh the hour cometh the man but he (or maybe a she) is not here yet by any means.
Posted by: Rodmac, Glasgow, Scotland on 10:08am Fri 28 Mar 08
Don't you just despair when you read postings from the ubiquitous PTBS and his comrade in distress, Hamish. It is no wonder that Nulab have fooled so many people into believing that they are the "people's party" when posters like this believe every single thing they say despite over-whelming evidence to the contrary.
Posted by: David Alexander on 10:11am Fri 28 Mar 08
Good morning Tony Lewis

Its always nice to hear some erm, fresh views and clear thinking.
Posted by: OAP, Glasgow on 10:12am Fri 28 Mar 08
The problem with Aberdeen Council has to be sorted out regardless of who is to blame

It is shamefull that 50 blind workers could lose their jobs because a grant of some £600K will be withdrawn

SORT IT OUT
Posted by: rob4i, Scottish Borders on 10:15am Fri 28 Mar 08
Well, Lachlan, Stirling, the unionists are always shouting about the minority Government that is the SNP, but it by far benefits Scotland because it was the impetus party that took over the administration and not the retrograde one, which would have been a disaster for Scotland and its people.
The real truth is, if anyone could make a real go of a minority administration, fortunately we already have him and his party showing everyone how it should be done, and his success and popularity leave the Unionists seething and trailing in his wake and all we have heard since from the Unionist camps is childish foot stomping, clearly showing their inferiority and the only thing that the electorate can glean from this, is that they made the right decision!!
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 10:19am Fri 28 Mar 08

Tony John Lewis
Cometh the hour cometh the man but he (or maybe a she) is not here yet by any means.
Another waiting for Godot post.

Posted by: subrosa on 10:42am Fri 28 Mar 08
Posted by: Hamish McKropotkin, Bannockburn on 6:18am today
Very impressive from Mr Salmond - he refused to answer any questions


Then you say he's a liar. You can't be a liar if you refuse to answer anything. Make your mind up.

In all the years of listening to Mr McConnell at FMQs I don't think he once answered a question fully.

Ms Alexander deserved what she got and more. He performance was abysmal once again and she should be told her efforts at injecting insult into her questions are futile. She doesn't have the ability for her job. Let someone who has do it. Who? Now there's a question.
Posted by: John Leven, Leven Fife on 11:24am Fri 28 Mar 08
I think yesterdays FMQT highlights yet again how shallow Alexander is, you can fire all the spin doctors you like but if you do not have the brains to interpret what information they give you, then use it to the best possible advantage, you come across as reading a script, not pressing home a political point.

I thought that labour had the monopoly on numpties at Holyrood until granny annie came up with this gem, the best way to reduce prison numbers is to reduce crime. The brains we have at Holyrood would amaze you.

See from another article that Alexander says that she is not after short term popularity, well she has got that one right at least.
Posted by: Grassy Knollington on 11:26am Fri 28 Mar 08
Ian, I'm still puzzled, what is it with you and Eck? Your dislike of him shines through everything you write.

Come on spill the beans for us we know why Brian Taylor , Iain MacWhirter , Douglas and the rest never tire of adjectives like smug, grandstanding and so on when referring to Salmond, they're Unionists so the FM is fair game. With you though it seems to be more about a personal dislike of the man and intiguingly the better he does his job the more you seem to dislike him.
Before the May election you accidentally became a bit of a Nationalist poster boy mainly by dint of being just about the only serious journo in Scotland who wasn't dishing it to the Nats at every opportunity and refusing to sing from the Labour hymn sheet.
Once they became the Government and performed better than anyone could have anticipated you seemed to take against them and especilally Salmond.
Now there must be a column there Ian, there is certainly a question, from your point of view, just what did they do wrong?
Posted by: alanH, ek on 11:49am Fri 28 Mar 08
Hamish Mck said above "Reject the other tory party in Scotland and their pathetic and damaging lies. "
That is exactly why we kicked the nu lab party out of power. For turning tory (has mr broon invited maggie for tea lately?)
Posted by: Rab The Man, Was My Uncle on 11:51am Fri 28 Mar 08
Hamish McKropotkin wrote:
Very impressive from Mr Salmond - he refused to answer any questions and failed to reassure the most vulnerable in our society that their interests are being looked after - well he couldn't, such obvious lies are impermissable in parliament. The half truths are perfectly acceptable however - these apparently are the sign of a politician at the top of his game. However to quote an old yiddish saying: a half truth is a whole lie. If the nationalist posters on here are to be believed we should be proud that our premier politician is a liar and a charlatan, getting away with lies and ducking responsibility apparently is the yardstick with which we measure political success in SNP controlled Holyrood: And as Mr Salmond smirks and lies his way through his first ministership I'd advise you not to be old, don't be ill and whatever you do don't need education or any other council services currently being slashed to pay for this increasingly nauseating man's vanity projects. Reject the other tory party in Scotland and their pathetic and damaging lies. Freedom soon will come, Avanti!
HAMISH
Oh Sir, you must have been boiling with indignation as WeeWindy had to endure yet another embarrassing mauling at the hands of Eck. "The Massive Intellect" just doesn't have what it takes and it's getting to the Muhammed Ali stage where he is left holding her up rather than deliver the KO blow at the very first question.
As for Eck smirking (and who can blame him) can he not be expected to feel ever more confident as the The Massive Intellect, now some six months along the road, has still failed to lay a glove on yerman. The only danger is that the bout will be stopped as a "no contest" and another weight division'll have to be created when "F***in' Brilliant" takes to the reinforced ring !!
.........and sir, if you DO intend to plagiarise Neil Kinnock (doing the same thing caused Senator Joe Byden to crash spectacularly too remember) please make it on something relevant. The scottish public are the only ones who's opinions matter. Would you like me to post these latest poll results to you Sir??
Enjoy the solitude in the hall at Aviemore this weekend sir.........you could do with a time in the wide open spaces, although we can guarantee that the atmosphere will be pretty full of hot air and bluster.............
....take a good book and don't let the time wither away !!
Posted by: TheGlaswegian, Edinburgh on 12:13pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Tony
Fact is nationalism, by it's very nature cannot substitute for real democracy

Can you elaborate?
In Scotland's case, nationalism is about governing ourselves and our resources and joining all other self determining countries of this world as an equal partner. Are you suggesting an independent Scotland would not operate a democratic political system? Do you think the we won't have our own Scottish socialist, conservative or liberal (left, right or centre) parties who can have different ideals but essentially share the same goal which is do what they think is best for Scotland and all who choose to live here? There is a far bigger picture out there than perhaps what you see...

What is your take on Brown's drive for us to show more British nationalism?
Posted by: Wallace, Perth on 12:24pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Chairman Hamish, you mentioned "vanity projects" in your rant against Alex Salmond - would that by any chance include the vanity Edinburgh tram project, forced on the Scottish Government by the combined vote of the unionist opposition, at a cost of some £170 million. Money which could have gone towards making up some of the severely reduced handout from your UK Labour Chancellor, no doubt under Maggie Broon's orders, to punish us for daring to vote in an SNP Government!
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 12:29pm Fri 28 Mar 08

Tony Tonsils
Fact is nationalism, by it's very nature cannot substitute for real democracy
Comic book balloon prose.

The SNP is an amalgamation of two political parties, each unhappy with the status quo of their day, and betrayal of justified Scottish ambition by the party to which they once belonged:

The National Party of Scotland, and The Scottish Party.



Posted by: Wallace, Perth on 1:00pm Fri 28 Mar 08
That's funny - the unionist critics have all gone quiet. They never seem to answer any points put to them. They only howl abuse from the sidelines, like their SLab representatives at FMQ's, while contributing nothing worthwhile or relevant to the debate at hand.

Ah well, I think it's time for a cuppa, then off to the shops. Who knows, if I cut through the South Inch, I might be fortunate to meet a loudly quacking duck wearing a red rosette, that our Lab unionists can vote for come the next elections.
Posted by: Carronade, Falkirk on 1:08pm Fri 28 Mar 08
To anyone interested, the FULL 30 minutes of FMQs is being broadcast, without commentary, on the "BBC Parliament" channel from 10.30 tomorrow.
Posted by: Celtic Lion, Roar on 1:14pm Fri 28 Mar 08
What's wrong with watching Holyrood Live on iPlayer? That's the full thirty minutes and the only commentary is at the start and end. Or am I missing something? :-S
Posted by: Stew, Aberdeen on 1:27pm Fri 28 Mar 08
The irony of the Nationalists on here using the same tactics as their leader semms to be lost on them.
Alex Salmond has made a career from soundbites and one liners, you can live off this when in opposition but in power it is no use. I feel the 9 months or so since they were elected have been a huge disappointment as there has been a lot of noise but almost no concrete action.
The opposition parties have all been guilty of being distracted by AS's style and often playing to his strengths.
The net result of both poor government and weak opposition has led me to question the Scottish Party as a whole. The front line leaders of all the parties are poor and going beyond them unviels some a real lack of talent. Too many public service/career politicians on Labour's side and some blinkered verging on xenophibic fundamentalist in the SNP.
All the parties must rethink their selection policies as I feel we are being short changed.
Posted by: Fraser, Glasgow on 1:28pm Fri 28 Mar 08
In nearly a year i can't remember Mr Salmond putting a foot wrong (if you set aside the nonsense of free scotland games on the telly) the other party leaders in Edinburgh just aren't up to his standard.
Posted by: Stew, Aberdeen on 1:37pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Sorry I said Party where I meant to say Parliment
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 1:51pm Fri 28 Mar 08

Stew And Mince
The irony of the Nationalists
Opinion so far off beam as yours won't motivate anybody sufficiently to bother finishing their response correcting .....



Posted by: TheGlaswegian, Edinburgh on 1:56pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Stew, Aberdeen lol putting one word right is going to make your post relevant. Drivel is the word.
In under one year, here's 5 things the SNP have delivered (I'm sure we can extend this to cover everything they've done for us) :-
Bridge tolls gone.
Prescription charges lowered and for the bin.
Council tax frozen.
End of local council ring fencing.
A&E's earmarked for closure now saved.

Compare that to the last labour/lib dem administration who, in 8 years, gave us the smokign ban and the half ersed attempt at stamping out bigotry.

Posted by: TheGlaswegian, Edinburgh on 1:58pm Fri 28 Mar 08
LA, LOL. Except me. I'm waiting on the kettle boiling...
Posted by: Stew, Aberdeen on 2:21pm Fri 28 Mar 08
TheGlaswegian wrote:
Stew, Aberdeen lol putting one word right is going to make your post relevant. Drivel is the word. In under one year, here's 5 things the SNP have delivered (I'm sure we can extend this to cover everything they've done for us) :- Bridge tolls gone. Prescription charges lowered and for the bin. Council tax frozen. End of local council ring fencing. A&E's earmarked for closure now saved. Compare that to the last labour/lib dem administration who, in 8 years, gave us the smokign ban and the half ersed attempt at stamping out bigotry.
Bridge tolls gone - that will help congestion/environme
nt good going.
Prescription charges lowered and removed - I can fully afford to pay for presciptions why should I cost the NHS more removing funding from other areas?
Council tax frozen - that is going well.
Ring fencing I'll grant you may be a good thing.
A&Es closing - if you take the emotion out of it it may be correct to close and consolidate some services while dealing with others more locally
Posted by: Vronsky, Scotland on 2:27pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Ian, I'm still puzzled, what is it with you and Eck?

After the May elections I think the Herald decided to liven things up a bit by having McWhirter and Bell swap jerseys. McWhirter seems to be enjoying his new colours a bit more than Ian - better material, I suppose.

More disturbing than anything Bell says is the way he says it. He always had a rather painfully studied 'style' - short sentences, favourite phrases ('to put it no higher') and overuse of commas. Bell has an average sentence length of 16 words, compared with Doug Fraser (hardly the Orwell of our time) who has almost double that at 30.

Bell particularly likes this construction:

What, exactly (or precisely), is it ......?

Answered like this.

This: ....

Any word can be pinned inside commas in the same way. 'Currently' gets it in the piece above.

So a typical slab of Bellese could be:

What, precisely, was it, this day of the week? This: Monday, currently, to put it no higher.

I can remember when writing that sort of thing in an English essay could get you a slap on the head.

Alternatively, of course, and to put it no higher, there is this. It might be that, currently, Bell has gone. It might be, and I put it no higher, that his pieces are written by a machine. What, precisely, does that mean? This. Postmodernist essay, anyone?

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Posted by: Andrew Ireland, Dublin on 2:27pm Fri 28 Mar 08
But Wendy has given herself 10 out of 10? Shouldn't we give her more credit for the outstanding job she is doing?

Posted by: stonehaven on 2:49pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Its a sad day for Wendy Alexander when success is measured by being only slightly mauled by Salmond following her first question.
Posted by: stonehaven on 2:54pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Her penultimate question was on a par with Wee Joke's "what do all of the following countries have in common........"

Could it be that the likes of McConnell and Alexander have never really had to face such a consumate politician as Salmond before and have therefore never really been tested. All claims that Wendy has a super-intellect have now been laid to rest. She has been found out!
Posted by: Alex Porter, Madrid on 2:56pm Fri 28 Mar 08
There's no way this Council 'cuts' thing is going to stick. The journos and everyone else knows there's more money and that the concordat is meant to make the councils more accountable for their actions.

Kerr on Newsnight was lying through his teeth. They don't realise that the lies and posturing have cost them dearly and they keep doing it. Why? They're amateurs and it's pathological.. Let them manufacture stories and let the SNP continue to build on their reputation as honest and about their business. The contrast with the puerile muck slinging is obvious and the one thing that people commonly say about the SNP, even unionists, is that they are "a breath of fresh air".

Onwards to independence!
Posted by: Van Helsing - Nat Slayer, Lanarkshire on 3:17pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Re. Alex Porter 2.56pm

'Onwards to independence!' - hahahahahahahahahaha
hahahaha! Been working to near the sheep dip again methinks!

'...puerile muck slinging...' - The sheepies on this board are addicted to it.

'a breath of fresh air' - who says? I really don't notice any difference day to day.

'Onwards to independence' - Stop believing your own hype. Can't win central belt - can win independence. End of. Ken?
Posted by: allymax, yuk on 3:39pm Fri 28 Mar 08
I actually see this article as a compliment to Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond.

Mr Bell mentions 'elephant traps'; to catch an elephant you have to be smart, erudite, quick-witted, and fleet-of-mind. In-deed, being a top politician is a mastery of once thought of as the sole ground of top lawyers.

Alex Salmond in westminster would get the question he was allowed, and usually asked the question while making an objection, and within the time limit. Bliar hated to see Salmond stand up because he knew Salmond was a better politician than he.

So for Mr bell to point out that to try and catch the behemoth, watch out for Mr Salmond lelphant traps.
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 3:50pm Fri 28 Mar 08

Vin Reilsling - Nose Picker
hahahahahahahahahaha
From hostility to aggression to manic laughter.

The great loser of Lanarkshire's next utterance will be:

" Look at me, Ma. I'm on top of the world!" (Or perhaps, "Wurruld!")

Posted by: Stew, Aberdeen on 3:53pm Fri 28 Mar 08
allymax wrote:
I actually see this article as a compliment to Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond. Mr Bell mentions 'elephant traps'; to catch an elephant you have to be smart, erudite, quick-witted, and fleet-of-mind. In-deed, being a top politician is a mastery of once thought of as the sole ground of top lawyers. Alex Salmond in westminster would get the question he was allowed, and usually asked the question while making an objection, and within the time limit. Bliar hated to see Salmond stand up because he knew Salmond was a better politician than he. So for Mr bell to point out that to try and catch the behemoth, watch out for Mr Salmond lelphant traps.
I refer the poster to the comment above about believing one's own hype.
Let's not try and pretend Eck was giving Tony Blair (oh how witty of you to put Bliar, please try and include Daily Torygraph in your next post).
You really have to remember Labour were voted out not the SNP voted in 2/3 of the electorate voted against independence and many who voted SNP would not support independence. I would welcome a straight yes/no referendum tomorrow and would be confident of a landslide no vote.
As an aside and not trying to score points if there was a no vote where would that leave the SNP? Would they have to drop the independence and carry on with the social policies they have which appeal to many or would the party be in danger of fragmenting again?
I genuinely don't know and would be interested what people's opinion was.