Alexander attacks LibDems as she sets out vision for her party
Wendy Alexander is setting out her own vision for the way forward for Labour in Scotland, as the party prepares to gather for its annual conference later this week.
But in appealing to her own membership, she has felt it necessary to make a sideswipe at Labour's partners in the Scottish Constitutional Commission, the Liberal Democrats, accusing them of "woolly thinking" for not accepting that any change in the devolution settlement should involve some powers being handed back to Westminster.
She also appears to have abandoned any possibility of the commission coming up with a final set of proposals which all three pro-Union parties can sign up to, saying: "It will be for the parties to decide what parts of the commission's recommendations they wish to accept and put before the Scottish people."
Ms Alexander's 24-page pamphlet, "Change is what we do," calls for greater patient choice in healthcare, better basics in education and a more personalised approach there too, and continuing a tough stance on antisocial behaviour.
As such, it differs little from her predecessors, nor does it mark any clear policy divide with the party at Westminster, which will put her at odds with her party's left at Aviemore who will be demanding Labour recapture traditional policy ground now occupied by the nationalists.
Ms Alexander's vision statement speaks of "the three most gifted politicians of the centre-left - Bill Clinton, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown" who proved that "centre-left parties can run the economy not just well, but better than right-wing parties, while healing rifts right-wing politics worsen."
She admits the SNP slogan last year, "It's time for change," captured the public mood, which is why she wants to get her message across that the real party of change is Labour.
But she insists that to look at reviewing devolution only in terms of more powers for Holyrood would be "an exercise driven by Nationalist
ideology" when it should be evidence-based.
"It is a pity that the Liberal Democrats seem to have set their face against the principle of looking at movement in both directions," she writes. "Clearly in a fast changing world it is no more than woolly thinking to assume that within devolved or federal arrangements movement will only be in one direction."
A LibDem spokesman last night said: "Nobody can present a coherent argument naming specific powers that they would like to see returned to Westminster.
"The Scottish people want to see an enhanced parliament with greater powers, particularly fiscal powers, and those are the proposals which the LibDems will be presenting to the commission."
For the SNP, Ochil MSP Keith Brown said: "Her commission and her credibility are now in tatters. The commission started off seeking more powers for Scotland but has now been downgraded by Brown to a working party which would take powers back to London."
He also said she had gaffed by praising John Wheatley's expansion of council house building, given her own party's behaviour in parliament last week. "This is another example of why there are serious questions and divisions about Wendy Alexander's leadership. She attacks the Tories for opposing council house building John Wheatley initiated.
"Yet only last Thursday Wendy and her Labour MSPs conspired with the Tories to try and prevent authorities from building new houses."
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Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 12:06am Mon 24 Mar 08
[bold]SCOTTISH LABOUR'S 'VISION' THING[/bold]
Read the full extent of the desperation here....
http://news.bbc.co.u
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SCOTTISH LABOUR'S 'VISION' THING
Read the full extent of the desperation here....
http://news.bbc.co.u
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fs/21_03_08_wendy.pd
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Posted by: doonhamer on 12:09am Mon 24 Mar 08
I tried, I really tried, but every time I started reading, my eyes would tear up with laughter.
What an embarrassment for a once proud party.
I tried, I really tried, but every time I started reading, my eyes would tear up with laughter.
What an embarrassment for a once proud party.
Posted by: ratzo on 12:15am Mon 24 Mar 08
yes it's pretty desparate.
There's a crazed [italic]folie de grandeur[/italic] at the start where she argues that, for UK Labour, the party, nation, and state are ideally identical and it is their destiny to be realised.
That's the sort of senile British nationalism that shows once and for all that Wendy and Gazza Brown are in their last days.
yes it's pretty desparate.
There's a crazed
folie de grandeur at the start where she argues that, for UK Labour, the party, nation, and state are ideally identical and it is their destiny to be realised.
That's the sort of senile British nationalism that shows once and for all that Wendy and Gazza Brown are in their last days.
Posted by: gurugordon, US on 12:16am Mon 24 Mar 08
Scottish Labour, the real party for change ? ? ?
Is this some kind of a sick joke?
Scottish Labour, the real party for change ? ? ?
Is this some kind of a sick joke?
Posted by: Politically-incorrec
t Man, Glasgow on 12:17am Mon 24 Mar 08
[quote]Ms Alexander's vision statement speaks of "the three most gifted politicians of the centre-left - Bill Clinton, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown"[/quote]
Now she is really taking the p'ish - tell me she is trying to be funny- PLEASE.
Ms Alexander's vision statement speaks of "the three most gifted politicians of the centre-left - Bill Clinton, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown"
Now she is really taking the p'ish - tell me she is trying to be funny- PLEASE.
Posted by: redc;liffe62, brisbane on hols on 12:19am Mon 24 Mar 08
i read the "vision", which was given great prominence on the bbc news website.
it appears there is not a word of criticism of anything involving brown or london having a different view to wendy on anything.
brown was praised as a great leader.
honesty would have been a good place to start. 5000 pounds to each voter if snp elected, fear as a selling tool and so on.
just who wrote this, a school kid perhaps, based on its content; or as it claimed brown was wonderful was it perhaps written by him?
i read the "vision", which was given great prominence on the bbc news website.
it appears there is not a word of criticism of anything involving brown or london having a different view to wendy on anything.
brown was praised as a great leader.
honesty would have been a good place to start. 5000 pounds to each voter if snp elected, fear as a selling tool and so on.
just who wrote this, a school kid perhaps, based on its content; or as it claimed brown was wonderful was it perhaps written by him?
Posted by: Alex Porter, Madrid on 12:20am Mon 24 Mar 08
Well, now that the convention is dead there is a fantastic opportunity for the LibDems to put forward their convention idea in a referendum which would stand against 'independence' and the 'status quo'. It's time for the Libs to prove their democratic credentials or go back to their constituencies.
Well, now that the convention is dead there is a fantastic opportunity for the LibDems to put forward their convention idea in a referendum which would stand against 'independence' and the 'status quo'. It's time for the Libs to prove their democratic credentials or go back to their constituencies.
Posted by: Steve A, in panic room hiding from stalker! on 12:21am Mon 24 Mar 08
In the immortal words of victor meldrew. I DONT BELEIVE IT!
In the immortal words of victor meldrew. I DONT BELEIVE IT!
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 12:22am Mon 24 Mar 08
[quote][bold]doonhamer[/bold] wrote:
I tried, I really tried, but every time I started reading, my eyes would tear up with laughter.
What an embarrassment for a once proud party.[/quote]
It's pretty desperate stuff from Wendy, treading over old ground - what's hilarious is that what's she's proposing is timid and even then she's going to have to fight tooth and nail to get her party behind it.
[quote]
There is no desire to revert to the pre-devolution arrangements. There is, however, a desire to discuss whether the present powers of the Scottish Parliament are right for our times.
As I have argued throughout this pamphlet, [bold]no-one in Scottish Labour should see this as a threat[/bold] .
[bold]We are the party of change[/bold][/quote]
oh dear, how the mighty have fallen
doonhamer wrote:
I tried, I really tried, but every time I started reading, my eyes would tear up with laughter.
What an embarrassment for a once proud party.
It's pretty desperate stuff from Wendy, treading over old ground - what's hilarious is that what's she's proposing is timid and even then she's going to have to fight tooth and nail to get her party behind it.
There is no desire to revert to the pre-devolution arrangements. There is, however, a desire to discuss whether the present powers of the Scottish Parliament are right for our times.
As I have argued throughout this pamphlet, no-one in Scottish Labour should see this as a threat .
We are the party of change
oh dear, how the mighty have fallen
Posted by: Alex Porter, Madrid on 12:23am Mon 24 Mar 08
I just started reading Wendy's policy doc. Can any journo with any self-respect possibly believe that Wendy is not in Wonderland?
I just started reading Wendy's policy doc. Can any journo with any self-respect possibly believe that Wendy is not in Wonderland?
Posted by: Thyme Kelpie on 12:23am Mon 24 Mar 08
'Change is what we do'?
Really?
Think I am missing something somewhere!
'Change is what we do'?
Really?
Think I am missing something somewhere!
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 12:24am Mon 24 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Alex Porter[/bold] wrote:
Well, now that the convention is dead there is a fantastic opportunity for the LibDems to put forward their convention idea in a referendum which would stand against 'independence' and the 'status quo'. It's time for the Libs to prove their democratic credentials or go back to their constituencies.[/quote]
Aye agreed Alex.... might just be the case the Alex offers again the fig leaf that the lib dems help form what a second question would be.... if it meant full fiscal autonomy as the worst option in a referendum then the SNP will have won a watch.
Alex Porter wrote:
Well, now that the convention is dead there is a fantastic opportunity for the LibDems to put forward their convention idea in a referendum which would stand against 'independence' and the 'status quo'. It's time for the Libs to prove their democratic credentials or go back to their constituencies.
Aye agreed Alex.... might just be the case the Alex offers again the fig leaf that the lib dems help form what a second question would be.... if it meant full fiscal autonomy as the worst option in a referendum then the SNP will have won a watch.
Posted by: Jim, Glasgow on 12:25am Mon 24 Mar 08
Is this the best her new media spin doctor can come up with?
[bold]"Change is what we do"[/bold]
Suspect another spin doctor is going to be signing on soon!
Is this the best her new media spin doctor can come up with?
"Change is what we do"
Suspect another spin doctor is going to be signing on soon!
Posted by: Jock Politicaljunkie, Glasgow on 12:26am Mon 24 Mar 08
Wendy and the Red Tories are indeed desperate. "Change is what we do" - Aye sure it is!
One thing that strikes me, however, is the constant use of phrases by Wendy along the lines of - "........that any change in the devolution settlement should involve some powers being handed back to Westminster."
She has been at pains to highlight this angle for some time and I wonder if she is preparing the ground for Maggie Broon doing just that?
Has the london hijacked "talking shop" on the constitutional arrangement already decided what powers are to be removed from Holyrood?? ie. How the SNP are to be neutered?? - I mean, how dare they be so competent and popular!! ........and its deliberate!!
Is this why wee Wendy is still in post? To take the flack and the backlash over the removal of powers so that the new leader (whoever the heck THAT may be) can start with a clean sheet??
Wendy and the Red Tories are indeed desperate. "Change is what we do" - Aye sure it is!
One thing that strikes me, however, is the constant use of phrases by Wendy along the lines of - "........that any change in the devolution settlement should involve some powers being handed back to Westminster."
She has been at pains to highlight this angle for some time and I wonder if she is preparing the ground for Maggie Broon doing just that?
Has the london hijacked "talking shop" on the constitutional arrangement already decided what powers are to be removed from Holyrood?? ie. How the SNP are to be neutered?? - I mean, how dare they be so competent and popular!! ........and its deliberate!!
Is this why wee Wendy is still in post? To take the flack and the backlash over the removal of powers so that the new leader (whoever the heck THAT may be) can start with a clean sheet??
Posted by: stevie, glasgow on 12:27am Mon 24 Mar 08
"Change is what we do". Nonsense statement. !!.Labour has no vision,here or at Westminster,this can't even be seen as a damage limitation exrcise. Sadly they will drag this farce out for as long as they can.
"Change is what we do". Nonsense statement. !!.Labour has no vision,here or at Westminster,this can't even be seen as a damage limitation exrcise. Sadly they will drag this farce out for as long as they can.
Posted by: MrC, Kelvinbridge on 12:32am Mon 24 Mar 08
indulging in illegal wars, privatisation of numerous public services, illegal donations, corruption, nepotism, incompetence...IS WHAT LABOUR DOES!!!
indulging in illegal wars, privatisation of numerous public services, illegal donations, corruption, nepotism, incompetence...IS WHAT LABOUR DOES!!!
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 12:33am Mon 24 Mar 08
[quote][bold]stevie[/bold] wrote:
"Change is what we do". Nonsense statement. !!.Labour has no vision,here or at Westminster,this can't even be seen as a damage limitation exrcise. Sadly they will drag this farce out for as long as they can.[/quote]
It's maybe time real socialists started voting for the SSP
[bold]THE BEST WEE PAMPHLET IN THE WORLD[/bold]
How many times can you credibly mention Bill Clinton, especially when we see the mudslinging he's involved with at the moment to try and get his wife behind the oval office desk.....something usually kept for Bill's special helpers....
[bold]SCOTTISH LABOUR: CHANGE, IT'S TIME![/bold]
stevie wrote:
"Change is what we do". Nonsense statement. !!.Labour has no vision,here or at Westminster,this can't even be seen as a damage limitation exrcise. Sadly they will drag this farce out for as long as they can.
It's maybe time real socialists started voting for the SSP
THE BEST WEE PAMPHLET IN THE WORLD
How many times can you credibly mention Bill Clinton, especially when we see the mudslinging he's involved with at the moment to try and get his wife behind the oval office desk.....something usually kept for Bill's special helpers....
SCOTTISH LABOUR: CHANGE, IT'S TIME!
Posted by: Steve A, in panic room hiding from stalker! on 12:40am Mon 24 Mar 08
The change i would like to see is for one of the Scottish journos to NAIL this incompetent to her union jack mast !!Please is there not one among you brave enough to do the right thing for the betterment of your country?
The change i would like to see is for one of the Scottish journos to NAIL this incompetent to her union jack mast !!Please is there not one among you brave enough to do the right thing for the betterment of your country?
Posted by: Archie, Argyll on 12:40am Mon 24 Mar 08
"Change is what we do"
Aye, change success into failure..
That is exactly what you and your mafia cohorts are out to do.
Labour, the ppp party. ( porky pie party. )
"Change is what we do"
Aye, change success into failure..
That is exactly what you and your mafia cohorts are out to do.
Labour, the ppp party. ( porky pie party. )
Posted by: Alex Porter, Madrid on 12:48am Mon 24 Mar 08
"Change is what we give"; £1000 - £5(change) = £995
She really is finally telling it as it is!
"Change is what we give"; £1000 - £5(change) = £995
She really is finally telling it as it is!
Posted by: Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 12:54am Mon 24 Mar 08
The nat drones have all had their directions from the basement at Bute House band are all singing on key!
Wendy is once again outflanking the nats by taking their own ground.
Any mature person would acknowledge that any review of devolution may involve the handing back of some powers. Holyrood may yet be reduced to a parish council if Alex continues to throw his toys out of the pram
The nat drones have all had their directions from the basement at Bute House band are all singing on key!
Wendy is once again outflanking the nats by taking their own ground.
Any mature person would acknowledge that any review of devolution may involve the handing back of some powers. Holyrood may yet be reduced to a parish council if Alex continues to throw his toys out of the pram
Posted by: MrC, Kelvinbridge on 1:02am Mon 24 Mar 08
A parish council is what Blair described holyrood as......now which party was he a member of......
And what are you doing ptbs? Did you get a leaflet from labour telling you what to say on here? You are a muppet and when labour lose seats to the SNP at the bext general election you will be the laughing stock of these forums....oh wait, sorry you've already achieved that distinction. Good work.
A parish council is what Blair described holyrood as......now which party was he a member of......
And what are you doing ptbs? Did you get a leaflet from labour telling you what to say on here? You are a muppet and when labour lose seats to the SNP at the bext general election you will be the laughing stock of these forums....oh wait, sorry you've already achieved that distinction. Good work.
Posted by: Curley Bill, the southwest on 1:05am Mon 24 Mar 08
I notice the deliberately idiotic PtbS posted at 12:54 - I shall check again in the morning to see how many have risen to his bait.
I notice the deliberately idiotic PtbS posted at 12:54 - I shall check again in the morning to see how many have risen to his bait.
Posted by: Cynicus, Scotland on 1:05am Mon 24 Mar 08
[quote]"It is a pity that the Liberal Democrats seem to have set their face against the principle of looking at movement in both directions,"[/quote]-Wee Wendy
Dennis Healey once likened a verbal assault by Sir Geoffret Howe to "being savaged by a dead sheep."
Here we have the spectacle of a dead sheep being savaged.
"It is a pity that the Liberal Democrats seem to have set their face against the principle of looking at movement in both directions,"
-Wee Wendy
Dennis Healey once likened a verbal assault by Sir Geoffret Howe to "being savaged by a dead sheep."
Here we have the spectacle of a dead sheep being savaged.
Posted by: John F on 1:06am Mon 24 Mar 08
Wendy's new policy document, titled "Change is what we do" has been vetted and approved by the Labour Party Headquarters, 39 Victoria Street London, SW1H 0HA and cleared for final publication by the Prime Minister's Office, 10 Downing Street, London.
Wendy's new policy document, titled "Change is what we do" has been vetted and approved by the Labour Party Headquarters, 39 Victoria Street London, SW1H 0HA and cleared for final publication by the Prime Minister's Office, 10 Downing Street, London.
Posted by: Curley Bill, the southwest on 1:07am Mon 24 Mar 08
Cynicus, surely in Wendy's case it is a dead sheep being [italic]salvaged[/italic] ?
Cynicus, surely in Wendy's case it is a dead sheep being
salvaged ?
Posted by: Steve A, in panic room hiding from stalker! on 1:07am Mon 24 Mar 08
You can just see all the electorate rushing to vote labour because they want to strip Scotland of what little powers she has!Wendy have you ever visited planet earth?!!!
You can just see all the electorate rushing to vote labour because they want to strip Scotland of what little powers she has!Wendy have you ever visited planet earth?!!!
Posted by: Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 1:11am Mon 24 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Curley Bill[/bold] wrote:
I notice the deliberately idiotic PtbS posted at 12:54 - I shall check again in the morning to see how many have risen to his bait. [/quote] Bill, you really need to get yourself a life
Curley Bill wrote:
I notice the deliberately idiotic PtbS posted at 12:54 - I shall check again in the morning to see how many have risen to his bait.
Bill, you really need to get yourself a life
Posted by: MrC, Kelvinbridge on 1:14am Mon 24 Mar 08
ptbs, perhaps you do as well...in fact theres no debate really...
ptbs, perhaps you do as well...in fact theres no debate really...
Posted by: subrosa on 1:19am Mon 24 Mar 08
Hope you all realise we'll be getting propaganda like this until their wee conference at the end of the week. Can I stand it I ask myself...
Hope you all realise we'll be getting propaganda like this until their wee conference at the end of the week. Can I stand it I ask myself...
Posted by: Steve A, in panic room hiding from stalker! on 1:20am Mon 24 Mar 08
ptbs
You should know about getting a life by all accounts i would say your on your ninth by now!
ptbs
You should know about getting a life by all accounts i would say your on your ninth by now!
Posted by: David, Scotland on 1:29am Mon 24 Mar 08
I an Proud to be Scottish the other one is a shameful sham. [bold]Labour have a vested interest in the continuance of poverty,[/bold] Labour are shameless.
I an Proud to be Scottish the other one is a shameful sham.
Labour have a vested interest in the continuance of poverty, Labour are shameless.
Posted by: Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 1:31am Mon 24 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Steve A[/bold] wrote:
ptbs You should know about getting a life by all accounts i would say your on your ninth by now![/quote] Ah.. it's Steve A who a couple of days ago was incourgaing me to go and get my leg over!
Thanks for your concern but If I was you I would be 'chipping in' along with the other minor nat bloggers to get a fund together for the likes of Wardog or Doonhammer
Now there's a couple of men who obviously haven't seen any fluff for a while.
Steve A wrote:
ptbs You should know about getting a life by all accounts i would say your on your ninth by now!
Ah.. it's Steve A who a couple of days ago was incourgaing me to go and get my leg over!
Thanks for your concern but If I was you I would be 'chipping in' along with the other minor nat bloggers to get a fund together for the likes of Wardog or Doonhammer
Now there's a couple of men who obviously haven't seen any fluff for a while.
Posted by: ratzo on 1:31am Mon 24 Mar 08
this pamphlet is a major mistake.
Its much less the product of a serious intellect than the epitaph of someone who has [italic]cronied[/italic] their way up the greasy pole and now commands no hard-won allegiance, and speaks for no-one.
It is shot full of ghastly errors and contradictions. No friendly person seems to have read it and said - [italic]mebbes no such a great idea to publish that....[/italic]
this pamphlet is a major mistake.
Its much less the product of a serious intellect than the epitaph of someone who has
cronied their way up the greasy pole and now commands no hard-won allegiance, and speaks for no-one.
It is shot full of ghastly errors and contradictions. No friendly person seems to have read it and said -
mebbes no such a great idea to publish that....
Posted by: Samoyed, Costa del Menie on 1:49am Mon 24 Mar 08
Hey![bold] **** to be sprayed[/bold] , keep up the good work, you are one of the best assets the nats have, everytime you post something few undecised swear to vote anything but what you defend, whatever that may be, besides wee Bendy, O'course.
Hey!
**** to be sprayed , keep up the good work, you are one of the best assets the nats have, everytime you post something few undecised swear to vote anything but what you defend, whatever that may be, besides wee Bendy, O'course.
Posted by: Jimmy fae the West, Embra on 1:54am Mon 24 Mar 08
I had no idea that Wendy had to win the hearts and minds of Middle england as well as Gordon. Selling out her Scottish seats to do so will not be forgiven quickly by her fellow labour candidates north of the border. I expect a few of them to be changing party loyalties in the run up to the elections. Still all those seats lost will hand the elections to the Conservatives and avoid the Unionist horror of a hung parliament in London and the SNP holding all the cards.
I had no idea that Wendy had to win the hearts and minds of Middle england as well as Gordon. Selling out her Scottish seats to do so will not be forgiven quickly by her fellow labour candidates north of the border. I expect a few of them to be changing party loyalties in the run up to the elections. Still all those seats lost will hand the elections to the Conservatives and avoid the Unionist horror of a hung parliament in London and the SNP holding all the cards.
Posted by: Steve A, glasgow on 1:59am Mon 24 Mar 08
PTBS
If all the nats chipped in to fund Wardog or Doonhammer it would be done with flair and competence worked out to the last penny and most importantly we would make sure it was legal!And we would definitely check to see that they did not reside in jersey! I would hope you could accept this IN GOOD FAITH!
PTBS
If all the nats chipped in to fund Wardog or Doonhammer it would be done with flair and competence worked out to the last penny and most importantly we would make sure it was legal!And we would definitely check to see that they did not reside in jersey! I would hope you could accept this IN GOOD FAITH!
Posted by: Steve A, glasgow on 2:05am Mon 24 Mar 08
PTBS
Although i think what you had in mind would be Impermissible!!
PTBS
Although i think what you had in mind would be Impermissible!!
Posted by: scotsborn, Aberdeen on 2:09am Mon 24 Mar 08
Ms Alexander's vision statement speaks of "the three most gifted politicians of the centre-left - Bill Clinton, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown"
How could she miss the man the labour party will forever be associated with - George W Bush - not quite centre left, but more so than Blair
Ms Alexander's vision statement speaks of "the three most gifted politicians of the centre-left - Bill Clinton, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown"
How could she miss the man the labour party will forever be associated with - George W Bush - not quite centre left, but more so than Blair
Posted by: Steve A, Glasgow on 2:09am Mon 24 Mar 08
YOU CANT EVEN BY AN ELECTORIAL COMMISSION FOR £950 THESE DAYS!THATS INFLATION FOR YOU!!!!
YOU CANT EVEN BY AN ELECTORIAL COMMISSION FOR £950 THESE DAYS!THATS INFLATION FOR YOU!!!!
Posted by: Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 2:09am Mon 24 Mar 08
Steve A
If all the nats chipped in 5 quid each you would still have a bit to go. From what i can see there are only actually 8 or 9 nats on these boards - the rest are alliases.
Steve A
If all the nats chipped in 5 quid each you would still have a bit to go. From what i can see there are only actually 8 or 9 nats on these boards - the rest are alliases.
Posted by: Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 2:11am Mon 24 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Samoyed[/bold] wrote:
Hey![bold] **** to be sprayed[/bold] , keep up the good work, you are one of the best assets the nats have, everytime you post something few undecised swear to vote anything but what you defend, whatever that may be, besides wee Bendy, O'course.[/quote] translation please!!!!
Seems like someone is speaking in some strange East Coast dialect only understood by other brigadoon nats
Samoyed wrote:
Hey! **** to be sprayed , keep up the good work, you are one of the best assets the nats have, everytime you post something few undecised swear to vote anything but what you defend, whatever that may be, besides wee Bendy, O'course.
translation please!!!!
Seems like someone is speaking in some strange East Coast dialect only understood by other brigadoon nats
Posted by: Steve A, Glasgow on 2:24am Mon 24 Mar 08
PTBS
I cant believe you used the FUND word!You have been watching wendy the genius political tactician to closely for your own good!
PTBS
I cant believe you used the FUND word!You have been watching wendy the genius political tactician to closely for your own good!
Posted by: Steve A, Glasgow on 2:34am Mon 24 Mar 08
PARTY FUNDING THE UNIONISTS NEMISIS!
PTBS The unionists are their own worst enemy !Its not a case of more rope to hang themselves. These days more Dosh works just as well!
PARTY FUNDING THE UNIONISTS NEMISIS!
PTBS The unionists are their own worst enemy !Its not a case of more rope to hang themselves. These days more Dosh works just as well!
Posted by: Donald Anderson, glasgow on 3:42am Mon 24 Mar 08
Too pathetic to comment on. Time for the Lab-Fibs to get out of the road. Much ado about nothing
Too pathetic to comment on. Time for the Lab-Fibs to get out of the road. Much ado about nothing
Posted by: jonny bond, glasgow on 4:29am Mon 24 Mar 08
Well lets hope they change leader to a man that looks like he knows what he is doing because as we all know the average woman votes on how good a candidate looks on tv. Wendy would be better taking part in such a vote than getting her hands dirty with this politics she broke the rules and got a government party get out of jail free card. Not even Tony at his grinning best could save the labour party the drubbing they are going to get at the next election the only thing that could do that would be winning a war or two That or the whole country forgetting how much we hate wendy of the troll party.
Well lets hope they change leader to a man that looks like he knows what he is doing because as we all know the average woman votes on how good a candidate looks on tv. Wendy would be better taking part in such a vote than getting her hands dirty with this politics she broke the rules and got a government party get out of jail free card. Not even Tony at his grinning best could save the labour party the drubbing they are going to get at the next election the only thing that could do that would be winning a war or two That or the whole country forgetting how much we hate wendy of the troll party.
Posted by: Mike, Edinburgh on 6:02am Mon 24 Mar 08
Maybe Wendy is going to do a Maggie Thatcher.
Fair enough the Belgrano which was heading back to Port in Argentina is gone along with a few thousand young Argentinian kids. But maybe she is planning to get a few Labour Members to stick a towel over their heids and blow up a CalMc C ferry.
Now on a more serious note, one of the powers that Wendy agreed with Gordon on was Terrorist Cops. Firstly the Act of Union guaranteed the Scottish Legal System remained automonous, and that could never happen except as a breach of the agreement, and we all know what that would mean.
Secondly and one of the most important points is, do we allow the fascist right wing Neo Con loose on our Scottish People who are Muslims. Well no way jose, its not going to happen. We stand united with all Scots, and I personally would fight for the Scottish Muslims right to live in a peacefull way, without harassment from a government that wants to agitate and harass them into becoming militant, so they can justify the invasion of Iran.
I am not Muslim and am a very white Scottish Person, especially after a year of Scottish Winters. So all you BritLabour Numpties can forget your bigotry attacks. What I am of course is a Scot who has fellow Scots of different backgrounds, and I am more than happy to live with that.
Maybe Wendy is going to do a Maggie Thatcher.
Fair enough the Belgrano which was heading back to Port in Argentina is gone along with a few thousand young Argentinian kids. But maybe she is planning to get a few Labour Members to stick a towel over their heids and blow up a CalMc C ferry.
Now on a more serious note, one of the powers that Wendy agreed with Gordon on was Terrorist Cops. Firstly the Act of Union guaranteed the Scottish Legal System remained automonous, and that could never happen except as a breach of the agreement, and we all know what that would mean.
Secondly and one of the most important points is, do we allow the fascist right wing Neo Con loose on our Scottish People who are Muslims. Well no way jose, its not going to happen. We stand united with all Scots, and I personally would fight for the Scottish Muslims right to live in a peacefull way, without harassment from a government that wants to agitate and harass them into becoming militant, so they can justify the invasion of Iran.
I am not Muslim and am a very white Scottish Person, especially after a year of Scottish Winters. So all you BritLabour Numpties can forget your bigotry attacks. What I am of course is a Scot who has fellow Scots of different backgrounds, and I am more than happy to live with that.
Posted by: Dr Bill Reynolds, Salo,Finland on 6:57am Mon 24 Mar 08
Not sure that soundbites will help Labout.They only work when you have consulted and actively listened to the voters.At the moment,Labour do not appear to be doing much listening.The increasing popularity of the SNP government indicates that they must be listening,Those polls also contain "straws in the wind" that indicate there is a time bomb"tiching away under the unionist position.The detail reveals not just that there are people who want independence or greater powers for the Scottish Parliament,there is also a significant group who could be persuaded to vote yes in a referendum under certain circumstances.It is a volatile situation just now.Possibly the reason why some resist a referendum.
I doubt whether there is a majority for returning any powers.For once I agree with the Liberals who are resisting that idea.I have problems with their refusal to allow a referendum and Nicol Stephens foolish allegation about sleeze,but they are spot on about retaining all present powers.
Not sure that soundbites will help Labout.They only work when you have consulted and actively listened to the voters.At the moment,Labour do not appear to be doing much listening.The increasing popularity of the SNP government indicates that they must be listening,Those polls also contain "straws in the wind" that indicate there is a time bomb"tiching away under the unionist position.The detail reveals not just that there are people who want independence or greater powers for the Scottish Parliament,there is also a significant group who could be persuaded to vote yes in a referendum under certain circumstances.It is a volatile situation just now.Possibly the reason why some resist a referendum.
I doubt whether there is a majority for returning any powers.For once I agree with the Liberals who are resisting that idea.I have problems with their refusal to allow a referendum and Nicol Stephens foolish allegation about sleeze,but they are spot on about retaining all present powers.
Posted by: Neil, Aberdeenshire on 7:57am Mon 24 Mar 08
Change is what we do...
they certainly changed Iraq.
Change is what we do...
they certainly changed Iraq.
Posted by: stonehaven on 8:03am Mon 24 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Wardog[/bold] wrote:
[bold]SCOTTISH LABOUR'S 'VISION' THING[/bold]
Read the full extent of the desperation here....
http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/shared/bsp/hi/pd
fs/21_03_08_wendy.pd
f[/quote] What a lot of absolute guff. Wee Wendy is clearly overwhelmed by the SNP. They feature on almost every page of her pamphlet.
I liked this comment in the article
"But she insists that to look at reviewing devolution only in terms of more powers for Holyrood would be "an exercise driven by Nationalist ideology" when it should be evidence-based."
Wendy appears to believe that "evidence-based" is the way to go apart when it involves her committing unlawful acts.
Wardog wrote:
SCOTTISH LABOUR'S 'VISION' THING
Read the full extent of the desperation here....
http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/shared/bsp/hi/pd
fs/21_03_08_wendy.pd
f
What a lot of absolute guff. Wee Wendy is clearly overwhelmed by the SNP. They feature on almost every page of her pamphlet.
I liked this comment in the article
"But she insists that to look at reviewing devolution only in terms of more powers for Holyrood would be "an exercise driven by Nationalist ideology" when it should be evidence-based."
Wendy appears to believe that "evidence-based" is the way to go apart when it involves her committing unlawful acts.
Posted by: John F on 8:05am Mon 24 Mar 08
"Change is what we do" by Wendy Alexander - READ THE DOCUMENT: Scottish Labour: new directions can be read (28kb) at this website.
Labour 'must show radical change- BBC Sunday, 23 March 2008.
http://news.bbc.co.u
k/2/hi/uk_news/scotl
and/7307371.stm
"Change is what we do" by Wendy Alexander - READ THE DOCUMENT: Scottish Labour: new directions can be read (28kb) at this website.
Labour 'must show radical change- BBC Sunday, 23 March 2008.
http://news.bbc.co.u
k/2/hi/uk_news/scotl
and/7307371.stm
Posted by: stonehaven on 8:11am Mon 24 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Proud to be Scottish[/bold] wrote:
The nat drones have all had their directions from the basement at Bute House band are all singing on key!
Wendy is once again outflanking the nats by taking their own ground.
Any mature person would acknowledge that any review of devolution may involve the handing back of some powers. Holyrood may yet be reduced to a parish council if Alex continues to throw his toys out of the pram[/quote] PtbS
If you really believe that Wendy is "outflanking the nats", I urge you to follow the Labour conference this week. You will be seriously disavowed of that belief when you see the incompetence and division right through Scottish Labour.
Proud to be Scottish wrote:
The nat drones have all had their directions from the basement at Bute House band are all singing on key!
Wendy is once again outflanking the nats by taking their own ground.
Any mature person would acknowledge that any review of devolution may involve the handing back of some powers. Holyrood may yet be reduced to a parish council if Alex continues to throw his toys out of the pram
PtbS
If you really believe that Wendy is "outflanking the nats", I urge you to follow the Labour conference this week. You will be seriously disavowed of that belief when you see the incompetence and division right through Scottish Labour.
Posted by: Celtic Lion, Roar on 8:23am Mon 24 Mar 08
Wendy Alexander and New Labour should, before accusing anyone of "woolly thinking", first make a decision on:
- the name of whatever it is they are taking part in which has something to do with the future of Scotland;
- the chairperson of the aforementioned "thing"; and
- an agenda for the aforementioned thing.
Her accusation is a bit rich and someone should care to remind her that it isn't a good idea to be throwing stones whilst residing in a glass house.
Wendy Alexander and New Labour should, before accusing anyone of "woolly thinking", first make a decision on:
- the name of whatever it is they are taking part in which has something to do with the future of Scotland;
- the chairperson of the aforementioned "thing"; and
- an agenda for the aforementioned thing.
Her accusation is a bit rich and someone should care to remind her that it isn't a good idea to be throwing stones whilst residing in a glass house.
Posted by: Politically-incorrec
t Man, Glasgow on 8:24am Mon 24 Mar 08
I'm sure PTBS [bold]is[/bold] Wendy, I'm sure I can smell p'ish.
I'm sure PTBS
is Wendy, I'm sure I can smell p'ish.
Posted by: Carnwarth, Carnwarth on 8:24am Mon 24 Mar 08
Wendy is right for once - the LibDems are a foul right-wing group who were part of an awful coalition - no one of any integrity could work with them.
Wendy is right for once - the LibDems are a foul right-wing group who were part of an awful coalition - no one of any integrity could work with them.
Posted by: pehman, sussex on 8:25am Mon 24 Mar 08
You really don't have to read to far into this "vision" thing to find glaringly obvious hole in her thinking.
Maggie brown ! one of the great leaders of our time ?
Is that why lab mwps are trying to get him to stand down before the next election on grounds of ill health, the guy's as deranged as she is
You really don't have to read to far into this "vision" thing to find glaringly obvious hole in her thinking.
Maggie brown ! one of the great leaders of our time ?
Is that why lab mwps are trying to get him to stand down before the next election on grounds of ill health, the guy's as deranged as she is
Posted by: BM, Glasgow on 8:28am Mon 24 Mar 08
[quote]Ms Alexander's vision statement speaks of "the three most gifted politicians of the centre-left - Bill Clinton, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown[/quote]
That says it all - the women can't tell centre left from extreme right!
Ms Alexander's vision statement speaks of "the three most gifted politicians of the centre-left - Bill Clinton, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown
That says it all - the women can't tell centre left from extreme right!
Posted by: BM, Glasgow on 8:31am Mon 24 Mar 08
[quote]Ms Alexander's vision statement speaks of "the three most gifted politicians of the centre-left - Bill Clinton, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown[/quote]
That says it all - the women can't tell centre left from extreme right!
Ms Alexander's vision statement speaks of "the three most gifted politicians of the centre-left - Bill Clinton, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown
That says it all - the women can't tell centre left from extreme right!
Posted by: Dave, Livi Village on 8:42am Mon 24 Mar 08
Short Change Is What We Do
Good name for an alleged policy document from an allegedly Scottish, allegedly labour alleged party.
Short Change Is What We Do
Good name for an alleged policy document from an allegedly Scottish, allegedly labour alleged party.
Posted by: Carlung, Haddington on 8:42am Mon 24 Mar 08
"Change is what we do"
That's not right.
Change is what we give.
Five pounds back on a £1000 donation to keep it under the radar.
"Change is what we do"
That's not right.
Change is what we give.
Five pounds back on a £1000 donation to keep it under the radar.
Posted by: lang sandy, weel up the howe on 8:46am Mon 24 Mar 08
Meanwhile in the scottish daily express............. Jeremy paxman says "if scotland breaks free,england shall not beg you to stay.And yesterdays Sunday posts headline "former first minister henry mcleish ,says independence is a positive option for scotland............
.............Sorry union jacksies your time is up.
Meanwhile in the scottish daily express............. Jeremy paxman says "if scotland breaks free,england shall not beg you to stay.And yesterdays Sunday posts headline "former first minister henry mcleish ,says independence is a positive option for scotland............
.............Sorry union jacksies your time is up.
Posted by: David Alexander on 8:55am Mon 24 Mar 08
Lang Sandy, In the dreels
[quote]Jeremy paxman says "if scotland breaks free,england shall not beg you to stay[/quote]
His granny Mackay would be proud!
Lang Sandy, In the dreels
Jeremy paxman says "if scotland breaks free,england shall not beg you to stay
His granny Mackay would be proud!
Posted by: lang sandy, weel up the howe on 8:58am Mon 24 Mar 08
canna see the dreels for snaw
canna see the dreels for snaw
Posted by: CJ, Aberdeen on 9:03am Mon 24 Mar 08
Do I detect a wee change from Wendy's mumblings a few months back - about the way back for Labour in Scotland being a degree of independence from the UK party - to present an image of a party capable of working for Scottish interests.
Looks like Brown has slapped her right back in place!
Absolutely no difference from the central line in this pamphlet!
Well she's firmly nailed her colours to the mast of the good ship Brown. Pity for her that HMS Brown is holed below the waterline and going down fast!
D'Oh!
Expect fun and games at the conference, as many Scottish Labour MP's and MSPs see these policies as confirmation that their time at the trough is at an end!
Do I detect a wee change from Wendy's mumblings a few months back - about the way back for Labour in Scotland being a degree of independence from the UK party - to present an image of a party capable of working for Scottish interests.
Looks like Brown has slapped her right back in place!
Absolutely no difference from the central line in this pamphlet!
Well she's firmly nailed her colours to the mast of the good ship Brown. Pity for her that HMS Brown is holed below the waterline and going down fast!
D'Oh!
Expect fun and games at the conference, as many Scottish Labour MP's and MSPs see these policies as confirmation that their time at the trough is at an end!
Posted by: David Alexander on 9:05am Mon 24 Mar 08
Lang Sandy
That's nae excuse fir sitting at yer PC aal day!
Its high time ye were dockan neeps.
Lang Sandy
That's nae excuse fir sitting at yer PC aal day!
Its high time ye were dockan neeps.
Posted by: jomellon, Lodève, France on 9:14am Mon 24 Mar 08
Big, bold Wendy is striding fearlessly towards change?
- wee, fearty Wendy is too timid to contradict London on [italic]any[/italic] point even when she knows it wont run in Scotland
- wee, fearty Wendy will not tell us where she stands on Trident or nuclear power: she cant contradict London, nor has she the balls to tell the Scottish electorate she wants nukes on the Clyde
and
"calls for greater patient choice in healthcare, better basics in education and a more personalised approach there too,"
This is the Tory manifesto? Is Labour the party of one society, or of middle class perks?
Big, bold Wendy is striding fearlessly towards change?
- wee, fearty Wendy is too timid to contradict London on
any point even when she knows it wont run in Scotland
- wee, fearty Wendy will not tell us where she stands on Trident or nuclear power: she cant contradict London, nor has she the balls to tell the Scottish electorate she wants nukes on the Clyde
and
"calls for greater patient choice in healthcare, better basics in education and a more personalised approach there too,"
This is the Tory manifesto? Is Labour the party of one society, or of middle class perks?
Posted by: TheGlaswegian, Edinburgh on 9:20am Mon 24 Mar 08
[quote]Alexander attacks LibDems[/quote] LOL That's like my 12 month old attacking me with his Iggle Piggle cuddly toy. The only difference is that against Nicol, Wendy does stand a chance of gaining the upperhand :-)
Alexander attacks LibDems
LOL That's like my 12 month old attacking me with his Iggle Piggle cuddly toy. The only difference is that against Nicol, Wendy does stand a chance of gaining the upperhand :-)
Posted by: Celtic Lion, Roar on 9:20am Mon 24 Mar 08
I think New Labour have spent so long trying to be all things to all people they themselves no longer know who they are.
I'm surprised so many people have read the document this article relates to. She seems to be re-inventing herself more and more these days – there's no conviction and no identity. The [italic]only[/italic] voters she'll be able to rely on soon are the traditional voters as the party is quickly becoming nothing to nobody.
I think New Labour have spent so long trying to be all things to all people they themselves no longer know who they are.
I'm surprised so many people have read the document this article relates to. She seems to be re-inventing herself more and more these days – there's no conviction and no identity. The
only voters she'll be able to rely on soon are the traditional voters as the party is quickly becoming nothing to nobody.
Posted by: Lobeydosser, Woodlands Road on 9:24am Mon 24 Mar 08
Change is what we do! YOu have to be kidding, lets see what positive changes Labour have done over their 10 years in power; I'll try and be balanced.
Positives
1. Smoking Ban
2. Student top up fees
3. Free personal care
Negatives:
1. Illegal war... how many dead... and for what?
2. Areas of deprivation...still deprived and getting worse.
3. ID Cards and the associated paraphinalea of: biometrics, swearing oaths to ? citizen tests, finger print scans at terminal five - for flights to Scotland.
4. Transport infrastructure in a shambolic state.
5. Last vestiges of Soviet Republics in Glasgow and Lanarkshire doubling their effort to be even more useless.
6. The formation of top flight MSP 'Illiterati'
7. More paperwork for small businesses
Do you want me to list some more?
Like doonhamer said at the beginning once a great party... but. Wendy's should bin the pamphlet, and some of her MSPs, get some fresh thinkers in, and not spin merchants, and start thinking about creating wealth, not spending it.
Change is what we do! YOu have to be kidding, lets see what positive changes Labour have done over their 10 years in power; I'll try and be balanced.
Positives
1. Smoking Ban
2. Student top up fees
3. Free personal care
Negatives:
1. Illegal war... how many dead... and for what?
2. Areas of deprivation...still deprived and getting worse.
3. ID Cards and the associated paraphinalea of: biometrics, swearing oaths to ? citizen tests, finger print scans at terminal five - for flights to Scotland.
4. Transport infrastructure in a shambolic state.
5. Last vestiges of Soviet Republics in Glasgow and Lanarkshire doubling their effort to be even more useless.
6. The formation of top flight MSP 'Illiterati'
7. More paperwork for small businesses
Do you want me to list some more?
Like doonhamer said at the beginning once a great party... but. Wendy's should bin the pamphlet, and some of her MSPs, get some fresh thinkers in, and not spin merchants, and start thinking about creating wealth, not spending it.
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 9:31am Mon 24 Mar 08
Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 1:31am today
Ha Ha Ha
Do you still wear those spiderman pyjama's?
You'll need to change that to get the lassies! ;-)
Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 1:31am today
Ha Ha Ha
Do you still wear those spiderman pyjama's?
You'll need to change that to get the lassies! ;-)
Posted by: Duns Scotus, The Borders on 9:36am Mon 24 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Politically-incorrect Man[/bold] wrote:
I'm sure PTBS [bold]is[/bold] Wendy, I'm sure I can smell p'ish.[/quote] This from the website of Kerron Cross, the Wendy spin doctor who never was:
"Your superpower is that you smell like [bold]dandelions[/bold] whenever someone lies. How will you maintain your secret identity?
Ensure I never hang around liars." Pardon my French but dandelions are also called "[italic]pissenlit[/italic] "
Politically-incorrect Man wrote:
I'm sure PTBS is Wendy, I'm sure I can smell p'ish.
This from the website of Kerron Cross, the Wendy spin doctor who never was:
"Your superpower is that you smell like
dandelions whenever someone lies. How will you maintain your secret identity?
Ensure I never hang around liars." Pardon my French but dandelions are also called "
pissenlit "
Posted by: Lachie Mor MacDougall, Fort William on 9:41am Mon 24 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Politically-incorrect Man[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Ms Alexander's vision statement speaks of "the three most gifted politicians of the centre-left - Bill Clinton, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown"[/quote] Now she is really taking the p'ish - tell me she is trying to be funny- PLEASE.[/quote] I met a man that wasn't Blair.
He wasn't Blair again today.
Oh I'd wish he'd go away..
Clinton aside does she really think Blair and Brown are the most gifted ? Five years on from the dossiers of W.M.D. and American forces gonna 'bomb Iraq back to the stoneage' and their 'Shock and awe' to their Oh shucks.. Geeza break and go back to the Wendy House.
Politically-incorrect Man wrote:
Ms Alexander's vision statement speaks of "the three most gifted politicians of the centre-left - Bill Clinton, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown"
Now she is really taking the p'ish - tell me she is trying to be funny- PLEASE.
I met a man that wasn't Blair.
He wasn't Blair again today.
Oh I'd wish he'd go away..
Clinton aside does she really think Blair and Brown are the most gifted ? Five years on from the dossiers of W.M.D. and American forces gonna 'bomb Iraq back to the stoneage' and their 'Shock and awe' to their Oh shucks.. Geeza break and go back to the Wendy House.
Posted by: sam, greenock on 9:49am Mon 24 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Proud to be Scottish[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Samoyed[/bold] wrote: Hey![bold] **** to be sprayed[/bold] , keep up the good work, you are one of the best assets the nats have, everytime you post something few undecised swear to vote anything but what you defend, whatever that may be, besides wee Bendy, O'course.[/quote] translation please!!!! Seems like someone is speaking in some strange East Coast dialect only understood by other brigadoon nats[/quote] Proud to be a fennie,
You'll find that "Brigadoon" was actually set in the west highlands, quite away from the east coast.
So not only is your spelling and grammar pish, your geography of the country your so "proud" of, is rather suspect too.
Proud to be Scottish wrote:
Samoyed wrote: Hey! **** to be sprayed , keep up the good work, you are one of the best assets the nats have, everytime you post something few undecised swear to vote anything but what you defend, whatever that may be, besides wee Bendy, O'course.
translation please!!!! Seems like someone is speaking in some strange East Coast dialect only understood by other brigadoon nats
Proud to be a fennie,
You'll find that "Brigadoon" was actually set in the west highlands, quite away from the east coast.
So not only is your spelling and grammar pish, your geography of the country your so "proud" of, is rather suspect too.
Posted by: Carlung, Haddington on 9:51am Mon 24 Mar 08
What really irritates, though, is the pulpit-laden preaching tone in which Wendy screeches, the holier-than-thou and the smug self-satisfaction. To be so poor in thought is sad enough, but not to know that is even sadder.
Scottish Labour must take a long hard look at its self and clear out all the dross and that includes Wendy.
Surely even Jackie Baillie could make a better fist of it!
What really irritates, though, is the pulpit-laden preaching tone in which Wendy screeches, the holier-than-thou and the smug self-satisfaction. To be so poor in thought is sad enough, but not to know that is even sadder.
Scottish Labour must take a long hard look at its self and clear out all the dross and that includes Wendy.
Surely even Jackie Baillie could make a better fist of it!
Posted by: Peter Thomson, Wendy - shoots herself in both feet on 9:56am Mon 24 Mar 08
"But in appealing to her own membership, she has felt it necessary to make a sideswipe at Labour's partners in the Scottish Constitutional Commission, the Liberal Democrats, accusing them of "woolly thinking" for not accepting that any change in the devolution settlement should involve some powers being handed back to Westminster."
80% of Scots want more powers for Holyrood and less jerrymandering, Tammany Hall politicking from Labour in London. The whole point about any devolution is less power to the centre and this is Labour's intellectual giant in Scotland?
This hairy wee catepillar is going to metamorphose into something a dog would not even step in.
"But in appealing to her own membership, she has felt it necessary to make a sideswipe at Labour's partners in the Scottish Constitutional Commission, the Liberal Democrats, accusing them of "woolly thinking" for not accepting that any change in the devolution settlement should involve some powers being handed back to Westminster."
80% of Scots want more powers for Holyrood and less jerrymandering, Tammany Hall politicking from Labour in London. The whole point about any devolution is less power to the centre and this is Labour's intellectual giant in Scotland?
This hairy wee catepillar is going to metamorphose into something a dog would not even step in.
Posted by: McSomeone, Scotland on 9:59am Mon 24 Mar 08
[quote]three most gifted politicians of the centre-left - Bill Clinton, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown"[/quote]
[bold]WOW![/bold] She thinks they're gifted??? Says a lot about Ms Alexander and none of it good. Bill Cinton was every bit right wing as his predecessor and successor, while Blair with boy wonder Brown are even more rightwing than Thatcher ever was. I can name a number of old, pre Thatcher tories and PMs who were more centre left than that ill begotton crew.
three most gifted politicians of the centre-left - Bill Clinton, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown"
WOW! She thinks they're gifted??? Says a lot about Ms Alexander and none of it good. Bill Cinton was every bit right wing as his predecessor and successor, while Blair with boy wonder Brown are even more rightwing than Thatcher ever was. I can name a number of old, pre Thatcher tories and PMs who were more centre left than that ill begotton crew.
Posted by: Peter Thomson, Wendy - shoots herself in both feet on 10:08am Mon 24 Mar 08
The headline should read:
[bold]Labour Government's Stalinist Control Freakery Revealed[/bold] or
[bold]
Scotland is Labour's Tibet and an integral part of England says Wendy.[/bold]
I'm going out before I have another stroke.
The headline should read:
Labour Government's Stalinist Control Freakery Revealed or
Scotland is Labour's Tibet and an integral part of England says Wendy.
I'm going out before I have another stroke.
Posted by: turpie, clydesdale on 10:09am Mon 24 Mar 08
Hail to the coming of New Scottish Labour!
One Man
One Vote
One member.
Hail to the coming of New Scottish Labour!
One Man
One Vote
One member.
Posted by: sid the sceptic, renfrewshire on 10:19am Mon 24 Mar 08
MORNING ALL :lobey i disagree with some of your post this morning . i would suggest that they they were tragged kicking and screaming towards the positives you listed by there minor partners .i would suggest this is ms alexander just ensuring that the lib dems Know there place.also found it funny this morning when a labour peer was on the radio complaining about someone telling untruths . pot calling the kettle black me thinks!!.
MORNING ALL :lobey i disagree with some of your post this morning . i would suggest that they they were tragged kicking and screaming towards the positives you listed by there minor partners .i would suggest this is ms alexander just ensuring that the lib dems Know there place.also found it funny this morning when a labour peer was on the radio complaining about someone telling untruths . pot calling the kettle black me thinks!!.
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