Navy has 33 admirals earning average of more than £120,000
The Royal Navy has 33 admirals earning an average of more than £120,000 a head to manage its 75-strong surface fleet, according to figures revealed in a parliamentary written answer.
The Senior Service's £4m top brass includes two sea lords, six vice-admirals, and 25 rear-admirals to command 35,000 sailors, 25 destroyers and frigates, two ageing aircraft carriers, a helicopter carrier, two assault ships, and a collection of mine-warfare, offshore patrol, fishery protection, resupply and survey craft.
There are also 13 submarines, including the four Trident missile boats, and nine hunter-killers in the smallest Navy since Nelson's day. The total manpower of the Royal Navy includes 290 captains - the equivalent of 11 for every destroyer or frigate - 1090 commanders, and 2320 lieutenant-commanders among the 7480 officers in its ranks.
The MoD last year imposed a promotion freeze on everyone above the rank of lieutenant-commander, which equals majors in the Army and squadron leaders in the RAF, to save money and help clear the top-heavy log-jam through natural wastage.
It says 15 of the rear-admirals on the active list are in operational RN or Nato posts, with others serving in tri-service commands. A naval source added yesterday that it was unfair to equate the number of senior officers with the number of warship hulls in service, since many of the individuals were "performing essential roles in shore command, training, logistics and joint headquarters".
Meanwhile, steel giant Corus has beaten off international competition to win a contract to supply 80,000 tonnes of steel to the Royal Navy for its two new aircraft carriers. Most of the steel will be manufactured at the firm's sites in Dalzell, near
Motherwell, Scunthorpe, North Lincolnshire and Skinningrove in Teesside.
The £3.8bn carriers, HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales, are due to enter service in 2014 and 2016 respectively.
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Posted by: Donald Anderson, glasgow on 5:26am Wed 5 Mar 08
Why not make Prince Harry an admiral?
Why not make Prince Harry an admiral?
Posted by: spagan, heisker, scotland on 8:48am Wed 5 Mar 08
I always thought that a captain managed a ship - and that an admiral managed the captains.
It looks as if we need admirals to change lightbulbs - question is "How many?" - and "What's the punchline?"
How many ships did we have in Nelson's time - and how many admirals did we have then?
DA - I think Harry wants to be a Brigadier or a Fieldmarshall - rather than an Admiral.
Slainte Nhor.
I always thought that a captain managed a ship - and that an admiral managed the captains.
It looks as if we need admirals to change lightbulbs - question is "How many?" - and "What's the punchline?"
How many ships did we have in Nelson's time - and how many admirals did we have then?
DA - I think Harry wants to be a Brigadier or a Fieldmarshall - rather than an Admiral.
Slainte Nhor.
Posted by: turpie, clydesdale on 8:54am Wed 5 Mar 08
I don't think we should be too troubled by the excess of top brass in the Navy...not until ship design proceeds, as logically it must, to trimarans. Three Admirals per trimaran could lead to a very divisive situation.
Chacun a son canoe" you might say.
I don't think we should be too troubled by the excess of top brass in the Navy...not until ship design proceeds, as logically it must, to trimarans. Three Admirals per trimaran could lead to a very divisive situation.
Chacun a son canoe" you might say.
Posted by: Colin B, Bearsden on 9:10am Wed 5 Mar 08
I'll bet there are more civil serpents earning more than admirals -Labour bribing public sector to vote Labour using funds better spent on body armour, ECM and helicopters for our troops
During the Falklands there was one press spin officer-now there are 1000
Reid, Browne and Ingram all have blood on their hands -Corners verdicts have proved it
I'll bet there are more civil serpents earning more than admirals -Labour bribing public sector to vote Labour using funds better spent on body armour, ECM and helicopters for our troops
During the Falklands there was one press spin officer-now there are 1000
Reid, Browne and Ingram all have blood on their hands -Corners verdicts have proved it
Posted by: stonehaven on 9:47am Wed 5 Mar 08
so what?
Posted by: Angus Smith on 9:50am Wed 5 Mar 08
What a total shambles,it's pathetic,yup Independence now!
What a total shambles,it's pathetic,yup Independence now!
Posted by: Rab The Man, Was My Uncle on 9:50am Wed 5 Mar 08
What about Prince Edward?........embar
rassed at being the only grandson not in uniform at his grannies funeral, he gets a newly made up job a chief car park attendant with the Royal Fleet Auxiliary (complete with masses of scrambled egg round the hat).
Of such beings are our forces directed, with incompetence and parsimony in equal measure !!
What about Prince Edward?........embar
rassed at being the only grandson not in uniform at his grannies funeral, he gets a newly made up job a chief car park attendant with the Royal Fleet Auxiliary (complete with masses of scrambled egg round the hat).
Of such beings are our forces directed, with incompetence and parsimony in equal measure !!
Posted by: Angus Smith on 9:55am Wed 5 Mar 08
Hoon needs to be dragged out of SLEEPYVILLE and integrated as to-how much money spent-where it went-plans to future-and most importantly whom said what and when.
PUBLIC INQUIRY NOW
But I'll bet my last dollar that Brown is at the bottom of this systematic decay over the decade,pure and simple.
Hoon needs to be dragged out of SLEEPYVILLE and integrated as to-how much money spent-where it went-plans to future-and most importantly whom said what and when.
PUBLIC INQUIRY NOW
But I'll bet my last dollar that Brown is at the bottom of this systematic decay over the decade,pure and simple.
Posted by: JohnM, Perth on 9:59am Wed 5 Mar 08
At nearly 3 ships each they must be squabbling as to whose turn it is to be the REAL admiral this week. "you had the hat with the scrambled eggs on it last week, my turn". "No, that was just HMS Shore Facility, it doesn't count"... etc.
Come back Gilbert and Sullivan - there's a song in there somewhere!
We sail the ocean blue,
And our saucy ship's a beauty;
We're sober men and true,
And attentive to our duty.
Our saucy ship's a beauty,
We're attentive to our duty,
We're sober men and true,
We sail the ocean blue.
At nearly 3 ships each they must be squabbling as to whose turn it is to be the REAL admiral this week. "you had the hat with the scrambled eggs on it last week, my turn". "No, that was just HMS Shore Facility, it doesn't count"... etc.
Come back Gilbert and Sullivan - there's a song in there somewhere!
We sail the ocean blue,
And our saucy ship's a beauty;
We're sober men and true,
And attentive to our duty.
Our saucy ship's a beauty,
We're attentive to our duty,
We're sober men and true,
We sail the ocean blue.
Posted by: Toophingers, Bellshill. on 10:51am Wed 5 Mar 08
What about Prince Andrew? Having cost us almost one million quid commandeering RAF planes to fly him to golf tournaments world wide and RAF helicopters for social engagements nearer home he should at least be entitled to the rank of Air Marshal.
What about Prince Andrew? Having cost us almost one million quid commandeering RAF planes to fly him to golf tournaments world wide and RAF helicopters for social engagements nearer home he should at least be entitled to the rank of Air Marshal.
Posted by: redphantom, lochee on 2:35pm Wed 5 Mar 08
mm This may help explain why GB is second only to the USA in "defence" spending
mm This may help explain why GB is second only to the USA in "defence" spending
Posted by: Strathturret, Montrose on 8:07pm Wed 5 Mar 08
I feel a Gilbert & Sullivan song coming on........
Seriously remember we are currently training William (Wales?) to fly at our expence. He's having a few months in RAF. Why? What benefit is that to the defence of realm? He won't be put at risk as second in line.
I nasty thought about Harry in Afghanistan. Last time I was in Harrods I met an old Egyptian. He told me the British establishment wanted to bump off Harry as his parentage was doubtful. That's why he was sent to Afghanistan?
I feel a Gilbert & Sullivan song coming on........
Seriously remember we are currently training William (Wales?) to fly at our expence. He's having a few months in RAF. Why? What benefit is that to the defence of realm? He won't be put at risk as second in line.
I nasty thought about Harry in Afghanistan. Last time I was in Harrods I met an old Egyptian. He told me the British establishment wanted to bump off Harry as his parentage was doubtful. That's why he was sent to Afghanistan?
Posted by: Celtic Lion, Roar on 11:20pm Wed 5 Mar 08
I've held my tongue too long on this one - £120k salary really isn't all that much. Before I got sick I wasn't earning quite that much but it was a fair whack (well, closer to half if I'm honest), and you should have seen the abilities of some of those people who were on the same salary scale. And that was working for a bank. You know, those people who shouldn't be risking our money and who charge ridiculous fines to "cover expenses" (that really is bull) then make incredible earnings.
Or maybe I'm missing the point because £120k isn't so much these days (although, being povo these days I may get out of bed for it).
I've held my tongue too long on this one - £120k salary really isn't all that much. Before I got sick I wasn't earning quite that much but it was a fair whack (well, closer to half if I'm honest), and you should have seen the abilities of some of those people who were on the same salary scale. And that was working for a bank. You know, those people who shouldn't be risking our money and who charge ridiculous fines to "cover expenses" (that really is bull) then make incredible earnings.
Or maybe I'm missing the point because £120k isn't so much these days (although, being povo these days I may get out of bed for it).
Posted by: Rab The Man, Was My Uncle on 10:02am Thu 6 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Celtic Lion[/bold] wrote:
I've held my tongue too long on this one - £120k salary really isn't all that much. Before I got sick I wasn't earning quite that much but it was a fair whack (well, closer to half if I'm honest), and you should have seen the abilities of some of those people who were on the same salary scale. And that was working for a bank. You know, those people who shouldn't be risking our money and who charge ridiculous fines to "cover expenses" (that really is bull) then make incredible earnings. Or maybe I'm missing the point because £120k isn't so much these days (although, being povo these days I may get out of bed for it).[/quote] CELTIC LION
What b*llsh1t....don't bother getting out of bed
Don't bore us with any more of this pointless guff !!
Celtic Lion wrote:
I've held my tongue too long on this one - £120k salary really isn't all that much. Before I got sick I wasn't earning quite that much but it was a fair whack (well, closer to half if I'm honest), and you should have seen the abilities of some of those people who were on the same salary scale. And that was working for a bank. You know, those people who shouldn't be risking our money and who charge ridiculous fines to "cover expenses" (that really is bull) then make incredible earnings. Or maybe I'm missing the point because £120k isn't so much these days (although, being povo these days I may get out of bed for it).
CELTIC LION
What b*llsh1t....don't bother getting out of bed
Don't bore us with any more of this pointless guff !!
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