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Civil war threat for Labour as MP rounds on Alexander’s plan
KEVIN SCHOFIELDFebruary 14 2008

Labour in Scotland was on the brink of civil war last night after a senior MP launched an outspoken attack on Wendy Alexander's calls for Holyrood to be given more powers.

The MP, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said there was "hostility" at Westminster to Ms Alexander's Scottish Constitutional Commission - and predicted that its recommendations would be rejected by the House of Commons.

In a further blow to Ms Alexander, a leading Labour councillor yesterday denied her claims that voluntary groups face massive funding cuts.

The deep divisions within the party were exposed as Labour MPs, MSPs and councillors prepare to meet for talks in Glasgow tomorrow.

Ms Alexander has been attempting to get back on the front foot in recent days following the Electoral Commission's decision last week not to call in the police over an illegal donation to her leadership campaign.

But she faced a setback earlier this week when, in an exclusive interview with The Herald, Scotland Office Minister David Cairns ruled out the possibility of the Scottish Parliament being given greater fiscal autonomy. Mr Cairns said extending the devolution settlement was only of interest to "the McChattering classes".

An aide to Ms Alexander hit back yesterday by accusing Mr Cairns of being "out of step" with Labour Party opinion in Scotland and the public at large.

That prompted a retaliatory attack yesterday from a leading Scottish Labour MP: "Out on the streets, there's no enthusiasm for the Scottish Parliament - there's even more contempt for MSPs than there is for MPs. There's no appetite outside what David Cairns described as the McChattering classes' for this circular, pointless argument. This is an agenda that is run by a very, very small minority of people within the Labour Party who I don't think are representative of the Labour Party in Scotland."

Asked about the level of support there is at Westminster for the constitutional commission, the MP said: "Overwhelmingly there is hostility towards it and hostility that Wendy proposed this without reference to MPs.

Frankly, the view is that whatever the commission comes up with, it has to get a majority in the House of Commons and it won't get that."

Meanwhile, Pat Watters, the president of the local authority umbrella group Cosla and a Labour councillor in South Lanarkshire, said yesterday that voluntary bodies need not lose out just because councils now have greater freedom on how to spend their budgets.

During a visit to a city farm in Edinburgh earlier this week, Wendy Alexander warned that many organisations faced massive funding cuts, but Mr Watters said: "To say that I as a local councillor cannot deal with voluntary organisations in my area because I have more control over the available finances available to us is absolutely wrong."

A friend of Ms Alexander last night sought to play down the differences within the party. "Everyone in the Labour Party agrees Labour's priority has to be about listening to voters and standing up for communities let down by Alex Salmond," he said.


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Posted by: megz, glasgow on 12:04am Thu 14 Feb 08
ooer missus, time to duck and cover, methinks this might get messy.
Posted by: Vivas, Embra on 12:04am Thu 14 Feb 08
Happy valentines day Wendy.
Posted by: Scotsgait, www.scotsgait.co.uk on 12:06am Thu 14 Feb 08
Labour in Scotland has got a long way to go before it gets back in tune with the electorate - but Labour in Westminster has even further to go.


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Scotsgait, an independent internet community for Scotland
Posted by: Politically-incorrec t Man, Glasgow on 12:08am Thu 14 Feb 08
"Rats fighting in a sack" come to mind .
Posted by: gurugordon, US on 12:11am Thu 14 Feb 08
The only community in Scotland "let down" by Alex Salmond is the Labour Party!
Posted by: Vivas, Embra on 12:13am Thu 14 Feb 08
....prompted a retaliatory attack yesterday from a leading Scottish Labour MP:
"Out on the streets, there's no enthusiasm for the Scottish Parliament - there's even more contempt for MSPs than there is for MPs. "

Another Westminster labour numpty who still can't tell the Scottish Labour Party and the Scottish Parliament apart. But I'm always ahppy to help these halfwits out, and heres how that statement should read:
"Out on the streets, there's no enthusiasm for the Scottish Labour Party - there's even more contempt forScottish Labour MSPs than there is for Westminster Labour MPs. "
Posted by: Sean Connery for President, Perth on 12:14am Thu 14 Feb 08
Does the panel think that Wendy has the strength of leadership to outflank her Westmonster buddies?

My view - very doubtful, I believe the knives are far sharper, numerous and more used to being thrown around in London. The peg her coat is on is getting shooglier and shooglier.
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 12:15am Thu 14 Feb 08
Constitutional Commission Chairs.....

Wait til the music stops....then the tantrums really begin.... have you seen a lib den 'spit the dummy'...very messy

Posted by: Duns Scotus, The Borders on 12:15am Thu 14 Feb 08
That prompted a retaliatory attack yesterday from a leading Scottish Labour MP: "Out on the streets , there's no enthusiasm for the Scottish Parliament
Dear anonymous Labour MP, let me take you by the hand and show you the streets of London. Perhaps you'll change your mind.

(Lyrics copyright Ralph McChattering)

From the streets of Broadstairs to the streets of Berwick, the envy and admiration (grudging or genuine) for what the SNP has achieved in 8 short months is dramatic.

So anonymous Labour MP, time you got out more and listened to the people. You may not learn much but at least it will keep you off the streets.
Posted by: Karin, glasgae. on 12:16am Thu 14 Feb 08
why does the MP feel the need to be anonymous? Surely if the MP knows this to be the case surely he should speak out without fear. The fact that he does not want to give his name seems to suggest that he knows that he is going to be in a lot of trouble if he does. That then makes me ask why would he be in trouble. Is itperhaps the case that while labour at westminster are making noises about it being a good idea for more devolution that in fact they have no intention of delivering. The fact that 71 percent of people think the scottish parliament is looking after them seems to suggest that this anonymous person is in fact out of touch with the electorate in scotland. For this person to say that people like msps less than mps shows labour havent got a clue.
Posted by: Huttcity, New Zealand on 12:17am Thu 14 Feb 08
Aww isn't it wonderful the way Wendy is fighting for the interests of the Scottish people, I think that we have misjudged her. She is really the only person is Scotland who can effectively fight for Scottish interests at Westminster, we should all support her.

/sarcasm.


Posted by: Vivas, Embra on 12:19am Thu 14 Feb 08
The labour party in Scotland.

Arsonists, drunks, halfwits and now petty fraudsters and benders of the truth.

Kier Hardy must be doing 10,000 rpm in his grave.
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 12:20am Thu 14 Feb 08
Sean Connery for President wrote:
Does the panel think that Wendy has the strength of leadership to outflank her Westmonster buddies?

My view - very doubtful, I believe the knives are far sharper, numerous and more used to being thrown around in London. The peg her coat is on is getting shooglier and shooglier.
What's hilarious though is that she was elected Leader with no competition.... everyone else bottled it out of 'fear' that Broon was supporting her....and now he's trampling all over her........

That's another fine mess you've gotten someone else into Mr Broon...... Broon the Oliver Hardy of Politics

Dougie Alexander would make a fine Stan Laurel.....

Posted by: subrosa on 12:20am Thu 14 Feb 08
Wonder what Annabelle Goldie is thinking now after the invisible man's remark? Maybe get out while the going's reasonably good....
Posted by: druidh, Edinburgh on 12:23am Thu 14 Feb 08
So, we have 3 labour parties now. The Council Labour party - happy to get on with local government without having their hands tied by "ringfencing". The BIG Labour party - still clinging on to an imperial past and determined not to let Scotland have any more say in how it is governed lest it foments English (i.e. Tory) nationalism. And Poor Wendy Labour party. Caught in the middle and looking increasingly directionless.
Posted by: Morag, Peeblesshire on 12:25am Thu 14 Feb 08

DJ posted this in yesterday's thread, about half an hour ago.
I dont really understand why the nats have difficulty coming to grips with this. The Labour party is a coalition of groups bound together with a single name. They tend to follow like sheep when led well. They are currently being led badly if at all.

Therefore they manage to face different directions at the same time, because they dont have anyone telling them what to think. The idea that this is a conspiracy from anyone between Broonie himself, Alexander, London, take your pick is assuming a degree of organisational and intellectual coherence which the Labour party does not possess and I why anyone thinks they do.

This kind of incomprehensible mix of views on the same topic will die down if Wendy gets the boot and someone (who? No idea) is able to assert their authority.

Perhaps they should advertise for a new leader "lost sheep in need of shepherd". Seems a reasonable analysis.
I have a sneaky suspicion he's bang on the money,

Posted by: Jwil, Lanarkshire on 12:26am Thu 14 Feb 08
"The MP, who spoke on condition of anonymity"

Hasn't he the guts to disclose his identity!
Posted by: BM, Glasgow on 12:28am Thu 14 Feb 08
Poor Wendy. Reviled by all, including , most of all apparently, her own party!
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 12:29am Thu 14 Feb 08


As predicted, Labour are disintegrating, and on the way down the garbage shoot screaming "To hell with Scotland!"



Posted by: Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 12:32am Thu 14 Feb 08
Another day, another mystery source from the Herald, this really is gutter journalism and not worthy of informed comment.

However...

What rankles me is that there is obviously a debate going on in Scottish labour about this (as any mature democratic party does) but it is being made out as civil war.

Of course would this debate happen under Genralismo Salmondo and the the SNP - no. No openess of thought allowed, no debate - it's Eck's way or the highway.
Posted by: George Litts on 12:39am Thu 14 Feb 08
Vivas wrote:
The labour party in Scotland. Arsonists, drunks, halfwits and now petty fraudsters and benders of the truth. Kier Hardy must be doing 10,000 rpm in his grave.
Excellent post Vivas.
For years the Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party treated the people of Scotland with contempt sure in the knowledge that the idiots who voted for them would have voted for a sheep wearing a red rosette. The presided over nepotism, cronyism and down right fraud. Now, unable to take in that they are no longer in power and unable to come to terms with an excellent Scottish government, they are about to rip themselves usunder. Not a moment too soon.
Posted by: Huttcity, New Zealand on 12:42am Thu 14 Feb 08
Proud to be Scottish wrote:
Another day, another mystery source from the Herald, this really is gutter journalism and not worthy of informed comment.

However...

What rankles me is that there is obviously a debate going on in Scottish labour about this (as any mature democratic party does) but it is being made out as civil war.

Of course would this debate happen under Genralismo Salmondo and the the SNP - no. No openess of thought allowed, no debate - it's Eck's way or the highway.
It's called leadership, something which is lacking at all levels of the labour party
Posted by: tris, scotland on 12:47am Thu 14 Feb 08

"Out on the streets, there's no enthusiasm for the Scottish Parliament - there's even more contempt for MSPs than there is for MPs . "

What street has he been on then? None that I've been on. I think he (whoever he is) musta been talking to Billy Connelly. I have yet to meet anyone with a bad word to say about Holyrood. And that's with most of the laws being passed by the then Labour administration.

Oh, and I doubt if it is humanly possible to to have more contempt for anyone than the average MP, so again, get out and meet people mate and find out what we are really saying.

Patronising pratt!

(It's not that wee Cairns fella again is it? Sounds like the sort of McTosh he would McSpout.)

Posted by: Karin, glasgae. on 12:48am Thu 14 Feb 08
Ms Alexander has been attempting to get back on the front foot in recent days following the Electoral Commission's decision last week not to call in the police over an illegal donation to her leadership campaign.


At last a journalist who knows the right word.




Posted by: Vivas, Embra on 12:52am Thu 14 Feb 08
Los Angeles wrote:


As predicted, Labour are disintegrating, and on the way down the garbage shoot screaming "To hell with Scotland!"



Perhaps they're echoing the sentiments of Edward 1st some 7 centuries ago ... or at least those attributed to him "It does a man good, to rid himself of a turd".

Well this turd will happily be set free from the revolting Labour erse.
Posted by: Donald Anderson, glasgow on 12:52am Thu 14 Feb 08
How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm
After they've seen the M1 Broadway
Posted by: Morag, Peeblesshire on 12:52am Thu 14 Feb 08

No openess of thought allowed, no debate - it's Eck's way or the highway.
So speaks one who knows sod-all about the SNP or even about democracy.

As someone who was once thrown out of the SNP for being too left-wing (or something like that), Alex Salmond is remarkably tolerant of a wide variety of opinion within the party. He once said it was like herding cats, but his feline aggregatory skills are something the Labour apparatchiks can only dream about.

Genuine unity in pursuit of a common goal, followed for its own sake rather than in hope of personal advancement? Labour hacks can't imagine this. They don't even recognise it when it's in front of them in Holyrood.

Posted by: Donald Anderson, glasgow on 12:52am Thu 14 Feb 08
How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm
After they've seen the M1 Broadway
Posted by: DouglasT, kirkintilloch on 12:52am Thu 14 Feb 08
Perhaps the labour MP wants to remain anonymous because he's not sure in which direction to jump.
Posted by: Sean Connery for President, Perth on 12:53am Thu 14 Feb 08
What rankles me is that there is obviously a debate going on in Scottish labour about this (as any mature democratic party does) but it is being made out as civil war.


I tend to agree that 'Civil War' is a bit immotive but you have to agree that the debate is far from 'mature'. When MP's start giving off-the-record statements and the cooncils openly disagree with the SLAB party line. Washing dirty Labour laundry in public is never a good idea.
Posted by: Sean Connery for President, Perth on 12:58am Thu 14 Feb 08
Donald Anderson

I see you've managed to get a new keyboard that only posts once now :-)

p.s - how do I get the bold bit at the top of a quote that says "**** wrote:"
Posted by: Morag, Peeblesshire on 1:04am Thu 14 Feb 08

I see you've managed to get a new keyboard that only posts once now :-)

p.s - how do I get the bold bit at the top of a quote that says "**** wrote:"
I don't think he has - it's just that one of my posts is between his duplicates.

Try clicking on the "Quote" (underlined) link at the bottom of a post (next to "Report this post"). I haven't tried it, but I'll bet that's how it's done.

Posted by: Karin, glasgae. on 1:13am Thu 14 Feb 08


Sean Connery wrote
p.s - how do I get the bold bit at the top of a quote that says "**** wrote:"
Donald Anderson

I see you've managed to get a new keyboard that only posts once now :-)

p.s - how do I get the bold bit at the top of a quote that says "**** wrote:"


sean type it between the bit that says quote then highlight it and click bold.
Posted by: Tired of excuses, Galashiels on 1:14am Thu 14 Feb 08
Will Wendy head back to the bunker again ?

I mean she only just reappeared after the EC judgement.
Posted by: Karin, glasgae. on 2:03am Thu 14 Feb 08
morag did you get a look at this

http://www.realmofsc
otland.com/View_Scot
land-UN-Papers.aspx?
id=2
Posted by: doonhamer on 2:19am Thu 14 Feb 08
There I was, putting on my wellies and my raincoat, getting ready to hunt down the anonymous Labour MP and expose him or her, when out of the blue at the end of the article a bombshell is dropped.

No self-respecting sleuth can pass up the challenge now before us.

No more wasting of time chasing down numpty Westminster MP's who have not the courage nor ethics to take ownership of the knife placed in Wendy's back.

No more seeking of that elusive mole still leaking with impunity from the Labour benches

No sir, we know have a quest worthy of the name.

A friend of Ms Alexander last night sought to play down the differences within the party. "Everyone in the Labour Party agrees Labour's priority has to be about listening to voters and standing up for communities let down by Alex Salmond," he said.


Wendy has a friend, a real friend, and a Labour friend at that.

Now who could that be? Not an MP, Not an MSP, not a Labour Councillor, so who?

Tally-ho the hunt is on!!

Posted by: Karin, glasgae. on 2:32am Thu 14 Feb 08
I know who it is

I know who it is


I know who it is......

la la la la.

and guess what im not telling.
Posted by: Karin, glasgae. on 2:33am Thu 14 Feb 08
la la la la la
Posted by: Edward, Edinburgh on 2:37am Thu 14 Feb 08
' a friend of Ms Alexander last night sought to play down the differences within the party. "Everyone in the Labour Party agrees Labour's priority has to be about listening to voters and standing up for communities let down by Alex Salmond'
Thats rich!, what about the 8 years Labour were in power in Holyrood, or the 50 odd years that Labour have had a death grip over Scottish councils. They always talk about taking people out of poverty and helping communities, but its just that,all talk! Labour have only helped themselves and let Scotland down badly
The chickens are now coming home to roost as the people now see a viable alternative in the SNP Government, who are standing up for Scotland
Posted by: Karin, glasgae. on 2:37am Thu 14 Feb 08
doonhammer all the clues are there...............
....................
..............

just read back all the stories that have come out.................
..............
Posted by: juankerr, Scotland on 2:42am Thu 14 Feb 08
At the same time Wendy is let of the hook this man is charged for having the afront to be in fear for his life from a knife attacker

http://tinyurl.com/2
36bt8

No wonder the neds think they can be professional jakies. The law has more respect for them that way.

I recommend all JP's, Solicitors and Judges be forced to live on a scheme for 3 months as part of their training. tell them to engage with the community and let them see the abuse theyll get. It may help their "cosseted" view of the world.

Karin. Wha is it?
Posted by: Karin, glasgae. on 2:43am Thu 14 Feb 08
fifth columnists R US..................
....................
........


la la la la la.
Posted by: juankerr, Scotland on 2:44am Thu 14 Feb 08
Everyone should contact the local pub in the mans area and buy the man a pint!

Shocking double standards in our judicial system.

Posted by: Karin, glasgae. on 2:45am Thu 14 Feb 08
juan

go back over all the stories that have come out and you will know it will jump out at you. I cant say anymore.
Posted by: Edward, Edinburgh on 2:47am Thu 14 Feb 08
Labour MSP's must be getting fed up being told by London what to do
Wendy was London's choice, with other MSP's being told not to stand against her. Now she is a liabilty.
I can see it getting really messy, I suspect that some Labour MSP's will want to dump Wendy and make a fresh start and start working for Scotland and cooperate better in Holyrood or some will jump ship all together and set up a seperate party. There is no love lost now between Westminster Labour and Holyrood Labour, with a few in Scottish Labour holding a big grudge against London Labour for a period of miss management which stems back to before the may elections!
Posted by: juankerr, Scotland on 2:48am Thu 14 Feb 08
Karin. Got it. Stephen Nicol? Should he not be sending her flooers ,it's valentines day?


"A friend of Ms Alexander last night sought to play down the differences within the party. "Everyone in the Labour Party agrees Labour's priority has to be about listening to voters and standing up for communities let down by Alex Salmond," he said."
Posted by: redc;liffe62, brisbane on hols, brown ducking and diving on 2:48am Thu 14 Feb 08
it really is time for mr brown to tell the british media he supports further devolved power to scotland, and then to advise what they are.

rather than send choirboy cairns out on a sniping mission to feel the lay of the land.

pigs might fly before that happens.

brown is conniving and devious, and he has 300 mps in england who would be up in arms, so mixed messages and waffle about wendy and put it off as a minor issue is the only approach he can take.

if brown did not say he wanted the committee turned into a talk fest, which journalists were told, then publicly release the secret minutes and prove he is not a liar. oops another pig in the air there.
choirboy cairns is merely confirming the initial analysis.
Posted by: Edward, Edinburgh on 2:51am Thu 14 Feb 08
Wendy Alexander is currently under investigation by the Electoral Commission and the Strathclyde POlice over the £ 12000 fraud scandal, where Labour took the money from businessmen, who were unaware that it was for Wendy Alexanders election fund in 2003
No w Wendy Alexander is becoming irrelevant to Labour in Westminster
I would say her position is untenable
Posted by: Karin, glasgae. on 2:57am Thu 14 Feb 08
jaun


try again...............
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Posted by: Karin, glasgae. on 3:01am Thu 14 Feb 08
Everyone in the Labour Party agrees Labour's priority has to be about listening to voters and standing up for communities let down by Alex Salmond


think about it people does this sound like something wendy would say?

scripted?
Posted by: Karin, glasgae. on 3:02am Thu 14 Feb 08
I shall now leave you to your little hunt ....................
....................



la la la la la.
Posted by: juankerr, Scotland on 3:13am Thu 14 Feb 08
Karin wrote:
I shall now leave you to your little hunt .................... .................... la la la la la.
I thought we had been discussing a particulary little Hunt for weeks now ryhmes with cnut....?
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 3:25am Thu 14 Feb 08
Karin wrote:
morag did you get a look at this

http://www.realmofsc
otland.com/View_Scot
land-UN-Papers.aspx?
id=2
GRRREAT LINK Karin - Ta muchly!
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 3:35am Thu 14 Feb 08
I think G.B. is the target - Wendy is collateral damage. Aye - the knives are oot for Gordon and Wendy, as an acolyte, is an easy target.
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 3:46am Thu 14 Feb 08
Karin - Brian Taylor?
Posted by: juankerr, Scotland on 3:51am Thu 14 Feb 08
AWWWW KARIN!

The only person who has really spoke is Wendies pal Jackie "the Pizza Hut" Ballie aka Brian tailor in drag.
Posted by: Traquir, Alba on 3:58am Thu 14 Feb 08
Karin wrote:
morag did you get a look at this

http://www.realmofsc
otland.com/View_Scot
land-UN-Papers.aspx?
id=2
Very interesting link - quite fascinating.

I've created a tiny link to make it easier to get to

tinyurl.com/3c9ogr

Posted by: juankerr, Scotland on 4:19am Thu 14 Feb 08
I notice all these articles are unamed sources.


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Posted by: Traquir, Alba on 4:49am Thu 14 Feb 08
Karin wrote:
morag did you get a look at this

http://www.realmofsc
otland.com/View_Scot
land-UN-Papers.aspx?
id=2
Karin - Is this link for real ?
The more I read it the more astounding I find it.
Posted by: Brizerwatt, Singapore on 5:16am Thu 14 Feb 08
"Out on the streets, there's no enthusiasm for the Scottish Parliament - there's even more contempt for MSPs than there is for MPs. There's no appetite outside what David Cairns described as the McChattering classes' for this circular, pointless argument. This is an agenda that is run by a very, very small minority of people within the Labour Party who I don't think are representative of the Labour Party in Scotland."

The utter contemp for the Scottish people , the democratic process and the devolved parliament inherent in the above quote should make every Labour supporter cringe in shame. The apathetic London centered attitudes of Scottish MP's and their Hollyrood cohorts is one of the main reasons the SNP is in power now.
If the Scottish parliament and MSP's are held in such contempt by the Scottish people then it will be directly due to the failings of the previous Labour administrations who allowed it to become a pet poodle of Westminster instead of the Lion people thought they were getting. No-one here has an appetite for an expensive talking shop, rubber stamping policy sent up from Central HQ in London.
The fact that there seems to be a growing enthusiasm for the parliament now is because people see the possibilities of it actaully achieving real change for the better in Scotland.
Posted by: eestlane on 6:09am Thu 14 Feb 08
"Senior Scottish Labour MP" is usually Herald-speak for Brian Donohoe, Central Ayrshire, who has a track record of these sorts of comments.

I've never worked out, however, who apart from Donohoe himself (and the non-lamented Catherine MacLeod) regards Donohoe as "senior".
Posted by: juankerr, Scotland on 6:38am Thu 14 Feb 08
Brizerwatt wrote:
"Out on the streets, there's no enthusiasm for the Scottish Parliament - there's even more contempt for MSPs than there is for MPs. There's no appetite outside what David Cairns described as the McChattering classes' for this circular, pointless argument. This is an agenda that is run by a very, very small minority of people within the Labour Party who I don't think are representative of the Labour Party in Scotland."
The utter contemp for the Scottish people , the democratic process and the devolved parliament inherent in the above quote should make every Labour supporter cringe in shame. The apathetic London centered attitudes of Scottish MP's and their Hollyrood cohorts is one of the main reasons the SNP is in power now. If the Scottish parliament and MSP's are held in such contempt by the Scottish people then it will be directly due to the failings of the previous Labour administrations who allowed it to become a pet poodle of Westminster instead of the Lion people thought they were getting. No-one here has an appetite for an expensive talking shop, rubber stamping policy sent up from Central HQ in London. The fact that there seems to be a growing enthusiasm for the parliament now is because people see the possibilities of it actaully achieving real change for the better in Scotland.
It is not only the utter contempt in his words regarding the McChattering classes remark , it is evident in what he says and obviously thinks regarding the parliament. How can a man who only pays flying visits to Scotland say we have no appetite for the parliament?

Every day on this forum I hear people talking about it more than westmonster. I rather suspect this is labours attempt to smear the influence the parliament as Labour are no longer in charge of it.When it was pretty much ignored by the populus, Labour were in charge and merely used it as a rubber stamp authority. People asked whats the point of that!
Now it is not attached to the party machine in westmonster it is making decent decisions on the behalf of the people here (not westminster)

Aye David. All your MSP's may be viewed as irrelevant as they spout only your more senior views (the westminster who's boss routine)

Thankfully for the westminster MP's the Parliament and the "Sleazy" Labours MSPs have been attracting fire since last may , meanwhile you lot get pretty much of the hook.

TIME TO FOCUS ON THE INCREASINGLY IRRELEVANT WESTMINSTER I THINK! AND THE PRIESTS OF SLEAZE THEY EMPLOY ON HMS GRAVY TRAIN

Posted by: george alexander, north lanarkshire on 6:43am Thu 14 Feb 08
Morag wrote:
Genuine unity in pursuit of a common goal, followed for its own sake rather than in hope of personal advancement?


That's it in a nutshell Morag, it should be a tagline.
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 7:42am Thu 14 Feb 08
george alexander wrote:
Morag wrote:
Genuine unity in pursuit of a common goal, followed for its own sake rather than in hope of personal advancement?


That's it in a nutshell Morag, it should be a tagline.
Aye!
Posted by: Karin, glasgae. on 7:54am Thu 14 Feb 08
yes Traquir

the link is for real and maybe now you will understand how completely and utterly labour and the tories told wopping big porkies. they are still doing it. They never at anytime intended us to have a parliament so thats why they are still pssn about with devolution. it wisnae their idea.
Posted by: Karin, glasgae. on 7:57am Thu 14 Feb 08
and yes Traquir
ask yourelf why no one well hardly anyone knows this?

then ask yourself why i get so annoyed at newspapers.
Posted by: pehman, sussex on 8:09am Thu 14 Feb 08
Two things which don't seem to make sense here

I can't think of a snr slab mp, except those in the cabinet itself

And a slab mp who shy's away from publicity ?

As someone once said, that dog don't hunt
Posted by: Traquir, Alba on 8:14am Thu 14 Feb 08
Karin - You are correct it is scandalous that this great work has
not been highlighted. I checked the Scottish National Library collection and the work done on Scotland's behalf is phenomenal
and I have listed them below for those unaware of this.
Dr James Wilkie should be receiving Scotland's highest honors
for this service. Thanks again for highlighting this and we should
definitely ensure that this information is made widely available.
Personally I need no convincing of the treachery of the Tories
and Labour on Scotland, but even I was awe struck by the
detailed and highly professional work undertaken by
"The Scot