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MacAskill attacked on stop-and-search power
DOUGLAS FRASER, Scottish Political EditorDecember 20 2007

A row between Holyrood and Westminster over stop-and-search powers being exercised by British Transport Police has deepened with a strongly-worded attack by a Labour minister on the Scottish Justice Secretary.

Kenny MacAskill has been attacked by Tom Harris, the UK Transport Minister who is also Labour MP for Glasgow South, after the SNP minister had warned the extensive use of anti-terrorist laws for stop-and-search at Scottish railway stations was threatening to undermine good community relations with Scottish-based police. Mr Harris accuses the Justice Secretary of undermining morale and insists he should apologise.

Since the June 30 terror attack on Glasgow Airport, the British Transport Police (BTP) - the only force to be part of a UK-wide service - has carried out nearly 15,000 checks. Of these, 12% on people were counted as being on people from ethnic minorities. Over the past year, the other eight Scottish forces have used these powers fewer than 150 times, and last year only six times.

Mr Harris has written to Mr MacAskill in the strongest language used by a Whitehall minister against a counterpart in the SNP administration over the past seven months, saying it was "unacceptable and inappropriate for anyone in ministerial office to launch such an attack on police officers on the basis of hearsay".

He argued that the vast majority of rail travellers in Scotland feel reassured by the checks rather than threatened, and added: "Your attempts to invoke the prospect of discontent in community relations is cynical and irresponsible". Mr Harris demanded an apology.

He is to go on patrol with BTP officers in Glasgow tomorrow and warned Mr MacAskill: "I hope your ill-judged comments will not succeed in undermining the morale of the men and women of the BTP in Scotland or the confidence that the travelling public should rightly have in them."

Mr MacAskill responded that the public need an explanation why 230 BTP officers carry out so many checks when 16,200 other officers are involved in so few.


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Posted by: Colin B, BEArsden on 12:25am Thu 20 Dec 07
Kenny
The reason they do less searches is probably because Scottish police forces are lazier, more incompetent , are off sick more and spend more time doing admin than Britsh Transport Police
Yours etc
Posted by: Scottish Politics, Scotland on 12:30am Thu 20 Dec 07
Tom who? Most people in Scotland have no clue who this guy is, I suspect this is true even his own constituents.

12% of the people being stopped were ethnic minorities? That is a huge proportion for a country with relatively few people from ethnic minority backgrounds and probably amounted to every person from an ethnic minority who passed through the stations whilst the police were there. Yet this nobody UK minister says that it wont harm community relations? Utter nonsense.

Well done Kenny MacAskill!
Posted by: I'm no really here on 1:09am Thu 20 Dec 07
Democracy in this country is threatened more by the Labour Party than by any "terrorist".
Posted by: Me, Glasgow on 1:27am Thu 20 Dec 07
If Tom Harris truly believes that terrorising random commuters won't damage community relations with the police, he is in the wrong job.
Posted by: Peter Cherbi on 1:39am Thu 20 Dec 07
Never had a problem with BT Police doing their job, so what's the complaint rates for all these supposedly ill deserved searches ? Probably not very high, but its a good issue for politicians to latch onto to deflect attention from other pressing areas of law in Scotland.

How many of the other forces in Scotland have train stations, major international airports etc in their force areas which may require extra security ? Might just be better to let the BT Police get on with their job so we have a level of security we won't find lacking later on.

Posted by: Vera Smart on 5:58am Thu 20 Dec 07
Good on you Kenny! It's good to see a politician with some backbone who will go against the establishment.

It's this sort of thing that makes me so glad I stopped being a Labour voter years ago.

How far has Labour fallen when it sends out it's no-mark minions to defend blanket stop and search 'terror' , sorry, public repression and conditioning operations?

"papers bitte " :(
Posted by: Mercutio, Falkirk on 6:58am Thu 20 Dec 07
The 12% figure is erroneous, most of the searching was done in Glasgow and Edinburgh where the ethnic population percentage is very much higher . The eight Scottish forces are not concentrated on travel centres where the Transport police operate.
Mr McAskill should beware of playing the race card
Posted by: donald, glasgow on 8:09am Thu 20 Dec 07
Tam the Bam, Away and invade someone else's country
Posted by: Gordon, London on 9:12am Thu 20 Dec 07
As a serving police officer in the area of the UK most affected by terrorist activities to date - London - I have to say that the stop and search powers under the Terrorism Act 2000 are vitally important in the fight against those who wish to harm innocent members of the public. I do not, however, agree with Mr Harris' intervention.

That the BTP have conducted significantly more searches under the terrorism act than all of the other Scottish forces combined should be an area of concern as either (a) the BTP are acting inappropriately in the circumstances, or (b) the Scottish forces are. As such it is absolutely proper the minister with responsibility - in this case a Scottish Minister - raises the issue.

Asking questions and expressing concern is not a disgraceful act, blindly following the herd and avoiding difficult subjects is.
Posted by: Me, Glasgow on 10:49am Thu 20 Dec 07
Gordon, how many terrorist acts have been stopped by these searches? State secret? OK, how many prosecutions for terrorism offences then?

You are being used as a pawn for political point-scoring. Get back to proper policing instead of harassing those you are supposed to serve.
Posted by: Paul, Prestwood on 11:12am Thu 20 Dec 07
If Mr Harris wants to undermine Police Morale the best way to do it is renege on a promise on pay. Woops - you beat me to it.
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