
Security scandal hits plans for ID cards
The UK Government's commitment to a national identity scheme appeared to be hit by doubt last night after a minister admitted that plans for a computerised register would need to be "reassessed" in wake of the data security scandal.
Michael Wills, the Data Protection Minister, said the disappearance of the two computer discs containing the personal details of 25 million people in transit from HM Revenue and Customs offices in Tyne and Wear to the National Audit Office in London had been "deplorable".
Giving evidence to Westminster's Joint Commons and Lords Human Rights Committee, he acknowledged that it would have implications for the planned national identity card scheme backed by a national identity register.
He said: "We are going to obviously have to look at the national identity register in the light of all this. We are going to have to learn the lessons. Everything will have to be scrutinised and then we will assess it again."
However, Mr Wills drew back from a suggestion by the Conservative peer Lord Onslow that the UK Government would have to abandon the scheme altogether if it became clear that the risks of a data security breach were too great. "With all these things there are very complicated trade-offs that have to be made," he said.
Following last week's revelations about Britain's biggest loss of confidential data, Opposition MPs demanded Prime Minister Gordon Brown scrap the planned national ID card scheme while Labour colleagues called for a pause and reflection on the multi-billion pound scheme.
Earlier in the Commons, Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, was forced to defend the security of data under the proposed ID cards scheme after the loss of the confidential child benefits records.
She told MPs that the use of biometric information on the ID card would be an "important protection" and the data would be held separately from personal details.
However, David Davis, her Conservative shadow, claimed that personal details could be shared with the 27 other EU nations under a pilot Europe-wide project.
"The Home Office is currently prototyping a Europe-wide project called Project Stork. How are we going to prevent a repetition of the disaster of the last few weeks when sensitive personal data is held not by one government but by 27?" asked Mr Davis.
Ms Smith said she would be willing to follow up Mr Davis's allegation if he would provide further details.
Today, Alistair Darling will seek to place the woes befalling the UK Government in the overall context of a strong, thriving economy, achieved by 10 years of Labour rule.
Speaking at the CBI conference, the Chancellor is expected to say: "This government's determination to take the tough decisions means that even in today's uncertain times - with turbulence in international financial markets and record oil prices - we can be confident of the resilience of the UK economy."
On Northern Rock, he is due to say: "I believe it was right to intervene. That it was right to put in place guarantee arrangements for savers and above all it is right to see it through. It was never going to be an easy decision."
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Posted by: Ron, Just down the road on 12:52am Tue 27 Nov 07
Lessons will be learned. Procedures will be put in place to ensure....blah, blahity blah........Time to move on.......blah, blah.
I used to have a parrot who could say that.
Lessons will be learned. Procedures will be put in place to ensure....blah, blahity blah........Time to move on.......blah, blah.
I used to have a parrot who could say that.
Posted by: T McAlister on 1:05am Tue 27 Nov 07
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...and how much has it cost us so far? We should be told.
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...and how much has it cost us so far? We should be told.
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Posted by: Anth, Macedonia (for now) on 9:43am Tue 27 Nov 07
Colin, don't see the connection, but ...
I have a question for the SNP posters here. Can the Scottish parliament refuse to accept the ID Card and NIS database? I think nit, as this is almost certainly a Reserved Power. So, Would an SNP government with more authority resist, in fact REJECT this idiotic scheme.
The same goes for NuLab / NuCon / LibDm posters.
The party that stands completely against this total infringements of my rights will get my vote.
Colin, don't see the connection, but ...
I have a question for the SNP posters here. Can the Scottish parliament refuse to accept the ID Card and NIS database? I think nit, as this is almost certainly a Reserved Power. So, Would an SNP government with more authority resist, in fact REJECT this idiotic scheme.
The same goes for NuLab / NuCon / LibDm posters.
The party that stands completely against this total infringements of my rights will get my vote.
Posted by: Observer on 1:23pm Tue 27 Nov 07
Health , housing, education, social care, local government are all devolved. The SNP oppose ID cards. Work it out.
Health , housing, education, social care, local government are all devolved. The SNP oppose ID cards. Work it out.
Posted by: ID useq and believer on 2:24pm Tue 27 Nov 07
I love the way everyone says this scheme is idiotic. I currently live in a country with ID cards and feel a lot more secure than I do back home. Every time I sign an important document I must also add my fingerprint and unique code which is on the card. It has my blood type in case of an accident (which I never knew before) and a photo. I need to give out this code whenever I buy expensive things and when I use my cards to pay for things I must use my pin, then I must sign a credit/debit receipt and also add my code and telephone number. There is very little chance of suffering ID fraud and if someone does take out a loan a simple finger print analysis or code comparison can get rid of the whole problem, although I have never even actually heard of ID crime here as you need a lot of documents to take out loans and even set up accounts, the ID card works. Also the police do spot checks and ask to see your ID and then call it in to HQ to see if your wanted for anything, after they get the all clear your off on your way again.
They took all of my finger prints and even my palm prints when I was getting my ID, the only difference being that it took about 3 days to get and it cost only 30 pounds.
I love the way everyone says this scheme is idiotic. I currently live in a country with ID cards and feel a lot more secure than I do back home. Every time I sign an important document I must also add my fingerprint and unique code which is on the card. It has my blood type in case of an accident (which I never knew before) and a photo. I need to give out this code whenever I buy expensive things and when I use my cards to pay for things I must use my pin, then I must sign a credit/debit receipt and also add my code and telephone number. There is very little chance of suffering ID fraud and if someone does take out a loan a simple finger print analysis or code comparison can get rid of the whole problem, although I have never even actually heard of ID crime here as you need a lot of documents to take out loans and even set up accounts, the ID card works. Also the police do spot checks and ask to see your ID and then call it in to HQ to see if your wanted for anything, after they get the all clear your off on your way again.
They took all of my finger prints and even my palm prints when I was getting my ID, the only difference being that it took about 3 days to get and it cost only 30 pounds.
Posted by: Alastair, Aberdeen on 2:26pm Tue 27 Nov 07
This whole scheme must be consigned to the political dustbin of history where it belongs. John Reid was right when he said there were threats to security. I don't think he meant that they would in fact come from his own government, but it is indeed from that source that the threat has come. This lot must now surely be dead and buried. The party of sleaze, the party of the police state, and the party to continue Thatcher's "legacy". OUT now, and never, ever curse us with your presence again!
This whole scheme must be consigned to the political dustbin of history where it belongs. John Reid was right when he said there were threats to security. I don't think he meant that they would in fact come from his own government, but it is indeed from that source that the threat has come. This lot must now surely be dead and buried. The party of sleaze, the party of the police state, and the party to continue Thatcher's "legacy". OUT now, and never, ever curse us with your presence again!
Posted by: Max Devereaux, Edinburgh on 4:31pm Tue 27 Nov 07
It woud be an excellent idea to have ID cards. We got to keep an eye on criminals . liberals , leftwingers, communists ,hippies, vegetarians , who hate Scotland. The lefties will shout and scream, rant and rave, and take a hissy fit about human rights , but human rights is just a criminals charter .
It woud be an excellent idea to have ID cards. We got to keep an eye on criminals . liberals , leftwingers, communists ,hippies, vegetarians , who hate Scotland. The lefties will shout and scream, rant and rave, and take a hissy fit about human rights , but human rights is just a criminals charter .
Posted by: You know it make s sense on 10:10pm Tue 27 Nov 07
lets be sensible about this, the government needs to have access to every detail of your life, your families life.
They need it and they need it to protect you and anyoneone who doesn't think that we live in the mother of democracies is quite frankly mistaken. Indeed, worse than that they are probably a threat to our British way of life.
Honesty, integrity and fair play are the tools of our British way of life. God save the queen, the establishment, and our honourable government.
We are surely blessed!
lets be sensible about this, the government needs to have access to every detail of your life, your families life.
They need it and they need it to protect you and anyoneone who doesn't think that we live in the mother of democracies is quite frankly mistaken. Indeed, worse than that they are probably a threat to our British way of life.
Honesty, integrity and fair play are the tools of our British way of life. God save the queen, the establishment, and our honourable government.
We are surely blessed!
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 12:31am Wed 28 Nov 07
Some posters here like living in a police states - it makes them feel secure!
ID user and believer wrote -
"...the police do spot checks and ask to see your ID and then call it in to HQ to see if your wanted for anything, after they get the all clear your off on your way again. They took all of my finger prints and even my palm prints when I was getting my ID, the only difference being that it took about 3 days to get and it cost only 30 pounds."
Only 30 quid - my god what a bargain!
Some posters here like living in a police states - it makes them feel secure!
ID user and believer wrote -
"...the police do spot checks and ask to see your ID and then call it in to HQ to see if your wanted for anything, after they get the all clear your off on your way again. They took all of my finger prints and even my palm prints when I was getting my ID, the only difference being that it took about 3 days to get and it cost only 30 pounds."
Only 30 quid - my god what a bargain!
Posted by: ID user and believer on 1:20am Wed 28 Nov 07
Scunnert you make it sound worse than it is, I have been stopped only 3 times in the year I have lived here. The price comment is because they are charging 100 in the UK. It is safer, it is more secure, sorry you wish to just poke fun at a tried and tested means of safety. Even Switzerland have an ID card, you can hardly call that country backwards or dangerous.
Scunnert you make it sound worse than it is, I have been stopped only 3 times in the year I have lived here. The price comment is because they are charging 100 in the UK. It is safer, it is more secure, sorry you wish to just poke fun at a tried and tested means of safety. Even Switzerland have an ID card, you can hardly call that country backwards or dangerous.
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 2:22pm Wed 28 Nov 07
ID user - I've never been stopped and if I was I certainly wouldn't provide ID unless charged with a crime. See the difference?
ID user - I've never been stopped and if I was I certainly wouldn't provide ID unless charged with a crime. See the difference?
Posted by: Gr8 on 4:31pm Wed 28 Nov 07
Scunnert, why not?
When I was younger and growing up in the West coast we were stopped by police, searched and had our names taken. Just for walking down the street on the way to the cinema, there was nothing wrong with that we knew they were just looking for knives and keeping the streets safe.
The only difference I see is that you maybe don't trust "the man".
Scunnert, why not?
When I was younger and growing up in the West coast we were stopped by police, searched and had our names taken. Just for walking down the street on the way to the cinema, there was nothing wrong with that we knew they were just looking for knives and keeping the streets safe.
The only difference I see is that you maybe don't trust "the man".
Posted by: Gr8 on 4:32pm Wed 28 Nov 07
What possible reason could you have for not showing your ID or taking the time to chat with the police?
What possible reason could you have for not showing your ID or taking the time to chat with the police?
