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Cameron draws blood in attack on PM’s lack of moral authority
CATHERINE MacLEOD, Political EditorOctober 11 2007
DAVID CAMERON: Tory leader made the most of the PM's discomfort.
DAVID CAMERON: Tory leader made the most of the PM's discomfort.

David Cameron raised the political temperature of the House of Commons yesterday with a devastating attack on Gordon Brown's lack of "moral authority".

In the first Prime Minister's Question Time since the summer recess, and only days after the Prime Minister squashed the prospect of an early election, Mr Cameron ruthlessly mocked and taunted the Prime Minister for not going to the polls.

Complaining Mr Brown was treating people "like fools", the Tory leader, buoyed by cheering back benchers, mocked: "He's the first Prime Minister in history to flunk an election because he thought he was going to win it."

Mr Brown's attempts to retaliate missed the mark. As he strove to highlight the differences between the Labour government and the Tory opposition, Mr Cameron retorted: "I'll tell you what. If you've got some questions about our policy, find a bit of courage, discover a bit of bottle, get in your car, go down to Buckingham Palace and call that election. For 10 years you have plotted and schemed to have this job, and for what? No conviction, just calculation. No vision, just a vacuum. How long are we going to have to wait before the past makes way for the future?", he added.

Labelling Mr Brown "a phoney", Mr Cameron claimed the Prime Minister had already lost his political authority and now was losing his "moral authority".

Mr Brown, and his colleagues, visibly blanched under the ferocity of the attack. Senior ministers generally accepted that yesterday was a day "to be got through". Later they said they now had "to get on with it".

While Tony Blair was Prime Minister, the best Mr Cameron achieved was a score draw and while yesterday's Prime Minister's Questions might not be so easy for the Tory leader next week, the Tories believed last night that they had drawn prime ministerial blood.

Mr Cameron pressed the Prime Minister to say if the draft pre-Budget report that was written before the Conservatives' conference had included plans to cut inheritance tax or on levying non-domiciles.

Mr Brown responded that the government had raised the exemption on inheritance tax on 10 occasions since 1997, and he claimed that the Tory leader would have to explain why the Conservatives' plans would only generate £650m rather than the £3.5bn that they claimed.

Earlier, Alistair Darling rejected claims that he had stolen Conservative proposals on inheritance tax and non-domiciled residents and insisted he had set out a "long-term" vision for the country. He said he had been working on the changes that were made yesterday since he became Chancellor.

The government's hopes of presenting its spending plans as a further boost to investment in public services received another dent yesterday when the influential Institute of Fiscal Studies (IFS) warned that spending growth was "considerably slower" than in previous reviews and "might prove incompatible with improving public services and reducing child poverty".

Robert Chote, IFS director, said: "Growth in total public spending will roughly halve from the rates enjoyed in Labour's years of plenty."

The institute also warned there was less room for manoeuvre for the Chancellor on meeting his rules on sustainable investment after he announced that borrowing would increase by £2bn in 2010/11. Mr Chote added: "He has simply chosen to borrow more, further narrowing the already small amount of headroom beneath the Treasury ceiling for public debt. For a party which loves to lecture its opponents on the wickedness of unfunded tax cuts, this looks suspiciously like an unfunded spending increase." The Tories also said the pre-budget report raised taxes by £1.4bn.

George Osborne, Shadow Chancellor, said: "Gordon Brown's budget is unravelling because people look at the small print. The Chancellor said the budget represented a tax cut. But independent experts now find that there is a £50-a-week tax bombshell for families. This shows just how cynical and calculating Gordon Brown's government has become."


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Posted by: Im not really here on 10:16pm Wed 10 Oct 07
I'm considered self-employed, so I don't do PAYE. I've just discovered that I'm not liable for Income Tax any more. Using Labour's tried and tested technique, I just adjusted the baseline against which Tax is calculated and hey-presto - not liable for tax!!!
Posted by: ptw, at the kitchen table... on 10:47pm Wed 10 Oct 07
You fiend you!

How dare you take advantage of this ****-up'.

Thank God, everyone, for ' Labour's tried and tested technique ...'
Posted by: Im not really here on 11:24pm Wed 10 Oct 07
I've also adjusted another baseline and discovered I have zero Carbon Footprint - so no Green Taxes either!!
Posted by: Colin B, Bearsden on 11:40pm Wed 10 Oct 07
Bottler Brown looked rattled and angry and but couldn't answer questions head on. Not much support from his front bench.

Why did he need notes re the election process at the Media Conference on Monday - if he was telling the truth surely he wouldn't need them? He is surrounded by numpties.
Posted by: Im not really here on 11:58pm Wed 10 Oct 07
http://www.thedailym
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I wish The HErald would sort out it's hyperlink problem
Posted by: david scott, reality on 5:07am Thu 11 Oct 07
Let's face it - those who voted Lanbour last time voted Gordon Brown. He's the best Chancellor the country ever had and has nothing more to prove. PMQ is a minor diversion from his real job.

The knockers and mutterers if ever called to put Up or Shut Up will need better skills than they are demonstrating. Lets hope they can keep up their PMQ barrage forever, for they will be old before they are the Preferred Party on merit.
Posted by: chris, In ma hoose on 5:22am Thu 11 Oct 07
Brown is a fake, with a fake accent, fake authority, fake mandate and fake courage.

He's been found out big time and not even his exaggerated slavering and all-consuming desire to be PM can hide it. He will NEVER be the elected PM of UK.

Wee, sleekit, cowrin, tim'rous beastie
Posted by: steve4349, larbet on 7:06am Thu 11 Oct 07
gordon the habitual liar,anyone who has wee dougie alexander as a close aide is a fool, and he has been exposed as a fool
Posted by: Buris, Larkhall on 8:52am Thu 11 Oct 07
Good to see GB get a proper doing this week, firstly from the press at his monthly briefing (where I have never seen someone lie so continually and blatantly as GB), and from DC, who at long last has discovered some fight of his own.

In 15 years of paying attention to PMQ's I've never seen a PM get a going over like that, not even Major.
Posted by: Rob, Glasgow on 9:19am Thu 11 Oct 07
!! david scott - a poor soul you must be living in your padded cell.

Brown the "best chancellor ever"? Biggest joke ever, perhaps - made a great decision in his first week to handover interest rates to BofE, because he didn't want the responsibility - then downhill for the next ten years - turning our countries surplus into a huge deficit, raiding the pensions to irrevocably damage the future wealth and stock market (while his cronies' public sector pensions are unaffected), selling off the gold at an all time low, turning us into a country reliant on credit, funding a burgeoning civil service to guarantee future labour votes, and denying any involvment in the last ten years now he is in power on an unelected footing. The man is a complete fool and only now is there sufficient recognition of that fact. He has helped to, and is continuing to make this country the poor man of western europe. We must be rid of him before he destroys the UK's future completely, although that may already almost be too late.
Posted by: SEUMAS, TAIN on 9:34am Thu 11 Oct 07
BEWARE OF PICADILLY SCOTS!! AND SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF THE MANSE
Posted by: iang, Glasgow on 9:41am Thu 11 Oct 07
Gordon Brown is probably one of the most intelligent politicians this country has had in decades but what he is not is a leader. The farce over this possible election and his reasons for not going ahead will be very damaging, but the problem is not just him, the whole Labour party is now defunct and has no relation to its socialist roots.

Comments from the likes of Hilary Benn and alistair darling show that the attitude of Labour Party Ltd.'s needs coming first is endemic throughout the party and to hell with the public.

The only way now is, in Scotland, never to let them back in to power. The SNP has more socialist principles than they do and once independent the REAL Scottish Labour, Tory and Liberals can step up to the plate.
Posted by: TheWiseOne, Glasgow on 10:12am Thu 11 Oct 07
What really intrigued me during the PM's grilling was how impassive the front bench appeared, particularly Harriet Harman. I got the feeling that deep down they were enjoying GB's treatment and perhaps thinking: He will not last long and then we can have another go for leadership.
Posted by: Arnold Codger, Glasgow on 10:33am Thu 11 Oct 07
Well said Rob. I would only add that anyone with a nounce of ecomonic sense will try and pay-off their borrowing over time so as not to have to pay the interest payments forever. I still think there is 10% risk of a recession.

Once bottler-broon goes the Scottish electorate will have few similar goons to vote for and have to look where the talent is closer to home.
Posted by: Rab Jones, Pollok # on 10:52am Thu 11 Oct 07
Not a big CAmeron fan, but Brown looked like a nervous wreck during the end of the debate.

He hasn't got the backbone or the nerve to be a PM.

Pulling out of an election has killed off the labour party. Well done Gordon.
Posted by: Melanthios on 12:24pm Thu 11 Oct 07
Im not really here wrote:
http://www.thedailym
ash.co.uk/politics/p
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I wish The HErald would sort out it's hyperlink problem
Nouveauscum helped out before when I said the same thing. Go to TinyURL and copy to your tab bar (you don't have to, but it's handy). TinyURL will make this smaller. You still have to cut & paste but it's a smaller http. (Herald removes them). Your http above would be condensed to http://tinyurl.com/3
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Easier to copy. Thanks again Nouveauscum. All hail the master.
Posted by: Melanthios on 12:27pm Thu 11 Oct 07
Im not really here wrote:
http://www.thedailym
ash.co.uk/politics/p
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I wish The HErald would sort out it's hyperlink problem
I posted this before but it's not appeared. Here we go then...apologies if it's here twice.

A poster called Nouveauscum suggested TinyURL. Download this and it will shorten the http.

Your http would appear as http://tinyurl.com/3
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Much easier to cut & paste.
Posted by: Melanthios on 12:36pm Thu 11 Oct 07
I wonder what would happen if I put the TinyURL in quotes.....It might not split it up then. OK time for a footer.

"http://tinyurl.com/
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Posted by: Melanthios on 12:37pm Thu 11 Oct 07
Posts taking a LONG time to get through. Trying TinyURL now with brackets...

(http://tinyurl.com/
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Posted by: Melanthios on 12:44pm Thu 11 Oct 07
erse...erse...erse..
..they really don't want https. Maybe if I used the Herald quote button. Hmm.....

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or maybe change the http to lttp. If that worked, post it all in and change the "l" to a "h". After this...FORGET IT!

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Posted by: Melanthios on 12:45pm Thu 11 Oct 07
OK. i'm forgetting it. What a waste of time.

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Posted by: Melanthios on 12:46pm Thu 11 Oct 07
I changed .com to .c-u-m and it was taken out. Shower of prudes.
Posted by: Dr Seymour Clowns, Glasgow on 12:54pm Thu 11 Oct 07
A change to that smug looking Cameron bloke won't solve the actual real problems we encounter. The desire to be in power is overshadowing the desire to do the right thing. If anyone thinks cameron is the answer then they are deluded. 'listen to won't get fooled again' by the Who it sums it up. Just keep pressure on your MP's and councillors it will have more effect.
Posted by: iang, Glasgow on 1:47pm Thu 11 Oct 07
Using the "who will you get thats any better" argument puts you into nuLabours hands. Just because Cameron is no better, although I think he is a more effective "leader" than brown is, does not mean we should stick with Labour.

A general election would give the people the chance to let the politicians know how the country is feeling, I believe people not voting is a vote of no confidence in the politicians.
Posted by: David B, Larkhall on 9:11pm Thu 11 Oct 07
I don't understand why GB has a reputation as a great chancellor. Its too soon to tell. It kind of looks like he may just be the greatest smoke and mirrors politician we have ever had. If the economy was doing well we would have paid off public debt, not upped the PSBR. And we in Scotland know already that the PFI funded off the books numbers are way more than they pretend they are. income tax thresholds are much the same as they were 10 years ago. paying 40% isnt a sign you are doing well, its a sign that top taxes bite too low.

The Tories will have to fix this mess, and I doubt that is going to be easy. Our industry is gone, our citizens are up to their eyeballs in debt. Sure if you own a house you have done superficially well, but in reality you are robbing the younger generation. They live in buy to let rented homes, do pretend jobs that suit their pretend degrees, and will have little prospect of the lotus eating life the middle aged enjoy today. Well I suppose they can inherit their elderly relatives assets if theres anything left after care costs and taxes.

Too early by far to know if Gb was a good chancellor.


Posted by: Jack Gough, Lanarkshire on 10:11pm Thu 11 Oct 07
Melanthios wrote:
I changed .com to .c-u-m and it was taken out. Shower of prudes.
They don't even allow c-o-c-k, ruining a well thought out gag I had prepared in reply to the chickens on the motorway story.
Posted by: the wanderer, or wonderer on 10:15pm Thu 11 Oct 07
I always thought I was the only one who considered politics a bloody institution until i checked the internet.
Blimey, check it it for yourselves.
David C. is beginning to sound like Bush; vaguely; the confrontation with Al Gore, wasn't it?, comes to my mind?
At least, old Gordie, he's not perfect, but who is?, has got this je-ne-sais-quoi, as my friend in London started to warm up to him after being apprehensive.
Must get her brain picked again tomorrow over the phone.
But for mr Cameron to go about like a pitbull drawing blood in an attack, not my words, mind you, was not necessary, only showed immaturaty, not ripe!
Posted by: Reekin' Lum on 12:41am Fri 12 Oct 07
Cameron is not the perosn who will up-set Broon. Broon will upset Broon.
All of you, read Alastair Campbell's "Diaries"- "The Blair Years" and get an understanding of how little Scotland was considered under Blair's leadership) and now Broon's. Absolutely nothing at all- just a bunch of whining people- a pimple on the backside of England....yes ENGLAND- because that's how all those anglicized Scots consider their former country.
Get used to it- and if you don't like it and you don't want to continue to be subservient then do something about it.
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 11:09am Fri 12 Oct 07
Reekin' Lum is no Englishman's bum
because that's how all those anglicized Scots consider their former country.
Alas, all too true.
Posted by: Mike Simpson, Glasgow on 5:33pm Sun 14 Oct 07
Colin B wrote:
Bottler Brown looked rattled and angry and but couldn't answer questions head on. Not much support from his front bench. Why did he need notes re the election process at the Media Conference on Monday - if he was telling the truth surely he wouldn't need them? He is surrounded by numpties.
What a lot of tosh as we are used to coming from Tory Colin B, well I hate to upset the party for Davd Chameleon, but his lack of respect for the Prime Minister was an absolute disgrace. While we are used to the 'cut and thrust' of political debate, this was conduct unbecoming of someone who holds the office of Leader of the Opposition.

Far from being a bottler, Gordon Brown has taken the correct and right decision which will prove to be in Scotland's interest. After all, It's amazing how a 3% lead in one tabloid poll has the Tories wriggling and writhing about as if they had won an election. Sorry chaps when an election is called we can be assured that the Tories will self-destruct under their dodgy leader David Cameron, all spin and no substance.

The Tories tax policies will come apart during any examination of them, as well as the rest of their policies. make the most of the recent Sun poll, Mr Cameron I know who will have the last and longest laugh!


Posted by: Trish Niblock, Edinburgh on 10:01am Wed 17 Oct 07
Rob wrote:
!! david scott - a poor soul you must be living in your padded cell. Brown the "best chancellor ever"? Biggest joke ever, perhaps - made a great decision in his first week to handover interest rates to BofE, because he didn't want the responsibility - then downhill for the next ten years - turning our countries surplus into a huge deficit, raiding the pensions to irrevocably damage the future wealth and stock market (while his cronies' public sector pensions are unaffected), selling off the gold at an all time low, turning us into a country reliant on credit, funding a burgeoning civil service to guarantee future labour votes, and denying any involvment in the last ten years now he is in power on an unelected footing. The man is a complete fool and only now is there sufficient recognition of that fact. He has helped to, and is continuing to make this country the poor man of western europe. We must be rid of him before he destroys the UK's future completely, although that may already almost be too late.

Rob - What an excellent comment.

It is a tragedy that we do not have enough people in the Uk with the interest or intelligence to look at the big Brown picture.

Brown is a danger to the UK we used to have.
He has lined the pockets of the wealthy - ignored the very poor (those NOT on Benefits) and preys on the Middle Working Class home owners.

I cannot think of anything this man has achieved that is actually good for the country.

How do the electorate trust the man? I don't.

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