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Kennedy ups the pressure on ‘failure’ Sir Menzies
CATHERINE MacLEOD, Political EditorSeptember 18 2007

CHARLES Kennedy stoked up the simmering dismay about Sir Menzies Campbell's leadership yesterday as he implied there was no excuse for the LibDem slump in the polls.

Speaking on BBC Radio 4's World at One, Mr Kennedy dismissed the suggestion that the LibDems faced a tougher challenge now because of changes in the wider political landscape, and he implied that their fortunes should still be improving.

In what was widely interpreted as a shot across the leader's bows, he argued that Gordon Brown's arrival as Prime Minister and David Cameron putting "flesh on the bones" of Tory policy plans had been "predictable elements".

Asked if he thought conditions were "harder" today than when he was leader and the party was doing better in the polls, he said: "No, I don't think so. There's nothing that has come as a surprise. It is nothing that should be fazing us at the moment."

Mr Kennedy refused to be drawn on his leadership intentions and, while he is not being considered as a serious replacement for Sir Ming at the moment, it is a matter of some conjecture that under Mr Kennedy's leadership the party's fortunes appeared to prosper better.

Sir Ming has no intention of creating a vacancy but seasoned observers predict his colleagues will wield the knife if the LibDems continue to do badly in the polls.

Sir Menzies took to the stage yesterday for a question and answer session designed to give voters and activists the chance to "get to know" the leader.

However, over the course of 45 minutes he joked about being a "failure" and appeared to confuse "Italy" and "India" when talking about emerging economic powers.

Staff at the Brighton Centre managed to exacerbate the situation by spelling his name as "Sir Menzeis Campbell" on the huge screen behind him.

Sir Ming insisted he was not too old to lead the party into the next election, and admitted that he had become "thick skinned" about the issue.

"It's not so much about age. It's about judgment and experience. It's about Liberal Democrat values and doing your best to promote them," he said.

Earlier, Jose Manuel Barroso, the European Commission President, was one of the star turns at the conference. Appealing to the LibDems to throw their weight behind the EU Reform Treaty, he assured delegates that the treaty was "not the constitution" and was not "full of hidden plots".

Timed to coincide with this speech, a group of LibDem councillors, organised by MP Mike Hancock, released an open letter calling for a referendum on the treaty but Mr Barroso argued that the EU should not be derailed by hostile anti-Europeanism.

He added: "We collectively need to demonstrate more concretely the benefits that membership of the European Union brings, that there's more to Europe than late night horse trading, that we are tackling the issues that matter to Europe's citizens."

Mr Barroso said the treaty was to make Europe's institutions "more democratic and more accountable".

"I strongly believe that the Reform Treaty is good for Europe and good for Britain. The treaty, including the hard-fought UK red lines, is not the constitution. I now hope that we can reach agreement in October and move swiftly to ratification," he said.

Sir Ming has already called for an "in or out" referendum on whether the UK should remain in the European Union. He argued that he did not currently believe the controversial EU treaty warranted a national vote on its own, but addressing the deeper issue would outflank Eurosceptics who are using the agreement as a focus for their arguments.

Mr Hancock said later: "This letter reflects much wider feeling in the party. Many people in the grass roots of the party think we should be putting pressure on the government to hold a referendum on the Constitutional Treaty."

Sir Ming accused Eurosceptics of "dreaming of an England that never was and a Britain that can never be".


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Posted by: pehman, sussex on 10:40pm Mon 17 Sep 07
From the article;-

Sir Ming accused Eurosceptics of "dreaming of an England that never was and a Britain that can never be".

Wee Fraudian slip there Mong.

P.S. all those who say they want a referendum as well as those who don't -- Has anyone read the E U reform treaty, has the press published it, what does it say ?
Posted by: Tom McAlister on 11:03pm Mon 17 Sep 07
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Aye, revenge for not necessarily unfounded suspicion of backstabbing is best served up as a cold dish, eh Charlie?

... "Mingin", ra clocks ticking.
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Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 11:15pm Mon 17 Sep 07
No matter what you think of Campbell, I'm afraid we are witnessing the irrational vengeance only an alcoholic can heap on his friends.
Posted by: Tom McAlister on 11:34pm Mon 17 Sep 07
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Aye weel with friends like "Mingin" wha needs enimies.
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Posted by: Addison De Witt, Spaced out on Drugs and Booze at the Liberal Party Conference on 3:12am Tue 18 Sep 07

Its funny how the Liberals want a referendum on Europe but not

on Scottish Independence.

As my elderly Grandmother would say.

What a bunch of Hypocritical Basta*ds. !!!!!

Addison De Witt
Posted by: donald, glasgow on 4:27am Tue 18 Sep 07
What does it matter? They done Labour's bidding and have worked themselves out of the running. They ended with the "Irish Question" and now are finishing themselves off on the "Scottish Question", still asking themselves Great British Questions to obvious Scottish answers.

Still a halfway Hoose between the Unionist Lab-Con they are now asking for half of Scottish Oil revenues. Squeezed between the two main Unionist Parties they are now getting a kicking from the only Scottish Party.
Posted by: Addison De Witt, Spaced out on Drugs and Booze at the Liberal Party Conference on 4:46am Tue 18 Sep 07

From the photo of Charles Kennedy above.

He Looks across between

A DOLMIO advert puppet and Jimmy Krankie. !!!!

Addison De Witt
Posted by: RETIRED....... but still switched on, Fed Up To The Teeth on 6:37am Tue 18 Sep 07
Los Angeles wrote:
No matter what you think of Campbell, I'm afraid we are witnessing the irrational vengeance only an alcoholic can heap on his friends.
LA
Quite right Sir
........but for Charlie?? .............."Yabad
abadoo".............
...........
....................
.it's payback time !!!!!!!!!.
Posted by: Im not really here on 8:39am Tue 18 Sep 07
Unless they get rid of Ming, the LD's nationally will come out of this conference weaker than when they went in. As for the LD's in Scotland - typical fence-sitters, trying to appeal to everyone. "Lets share the Oil Revenue". Like Wendy's better half would say - "what's the point". If you're going to go that far, you might as well go the whole way. After all, you can't keep part of your virginity.
Posted by: Ross McLean, Edinburgh on 9:47am Tue 18 Sep 07
This is a very poorly written article. The headline implies Kennedy used the word 'failure'. He didn't. What he is actually quoted as saying is pretty mild, sondiering what the headline and photo imply. I really wish journalists would just report facts and let us make up our own minds.
Posted by: McGinty on 10:27am Tue 18 Sep 07
No story. For those of us wanting a return to some kind of dialogue re. the prevailing social/economic climate, the l.d's are some of the few voices that are left.
Posted by: Gregor Addison, Scotland on 10:38am Tue 18 Sep 07
There were those in the Lib Dems who wanted Charles Kenndey out of the way and contrived to bring him down in hope of replacing him with Simon Hughes. Unfortunately, they got left with Ming Campbell, who was better in fulfilling his role as elder statesman than he has been in leading the party. In Scotland, they are stuck with Nicol Stephen, the man who would be king, who somewhat foolishly stated prior to the election that he wished to be First Minister. At around 8% in the polls, I wonder if he is still clinging to such fanciful notions.
Posted by: the gourmet, glasgow on 12:38pm Tue 18 Sep 07
do either of them like tapas?

i do

where r all the irrelevant rants from the nats today? maybe too early for them to have stirred from their tartanesque duvets?
Posted by: Addison De Witt, Spaced out on Drugs and Booze at the Liberal Party Conference on 12:52pm Tue 18 Sep 07

The Gourmet eats too much tapas and gets food poisening.

The Liberals are a complete and utter irrelevance to Scotland.

Thats why no one bothers about them.

Posted by: the gourmet, 296-029 on 1:54pm Tue 18 Sep 07
Sometimes I like tripe but its getting harder to find now.

Hold on addy has just delivered a load, yum yum.

Posted by: Mike, Edinburgh on 2:04pm Tue 18 Sep 07
The funniest part on this dispute and attempts at backstabbing each other was when Kennedy had just finished an interview for the telly and started to walk away when an old bloke gragged him and asked if he had had three or four drinks. Bit cruel but very funny. You have got to ask why Kennedy would want to get back into politics with his addiction. I wish him all the best for his future, but see him as another Scot who could have done much more for his homeland, but chose to desert it for London. Vote SNP, IT IS TIME.
Posted by: the gourmet, 297-709 on 2:22pm Tue 18 Sep 07
it doesnt sound all that funny to me. Just rude and unfeeling.

and you dont sound very sincere when you write that you wish him all the best for his future

sounds more like you prefer to laugh at his personal problems.

A wise-crack response is not required her - some humility would do the trick.
Posted by: Addison De Witt, Spaced out on Drugs and Booze at the Liberal Party Conference on 2:41pm Tue 18 Sep 07

To the Fat Gourmet.

Charles Kennedy the Alcoholic is a walking talking train wreck.

The Liberal Party is so RADIOACTIVE the local Hookers and

Rent boys have launched an embargo on them. !!!!!


Posted by: Overtoun, Clydebank on 4:53pm Tue 18 Sep 07
The original tories are at it again...the sooner we see the back of the Union the sooner we can see the back of them!
Posted by: John, Glasgow on 5:03pm Tue 18 Sep 07
Really, what is the point in the Lib Dems? They are just a party for people stuck in the middle, who can't decide between any of the big parties. Sir Ming has taken them too far to the loony left though, which is fatal for a party who's supporters nationwide pride themselves on occupying the centre ground.

I wish they would change their name though. Their performance as part of the totalitarian ex-Executive, which they formed part of despite finishing 4th in the elections, proved they are neither Liberal nor Democratic!!
Posted by: Willie, Dumbarton on 10:45am Thu 20 Sep 07
It is no wonder that support for the Literal Democrats is slipping.

On News Night the star of democracy Nichol Stevenson repeatedly declared that he was against a referendum for Scotland because he was against asking the question about independence.

Perversely, the bold boy was for a referendum for Europe because he was for the union with Europe.

Moreover when asked further why don't you ask the voters in Scotland if they are for a Union with England, in a similar way to the question he favoured for Europe he again said he was against a referendum in Scotland.

Seems that democracy in asking the voters is something that Mr Stevens has great difficulty with.

Ah Steven my boy, times have changed. The wind of change is here and you will disregard the wishes of the people of Scotland at your peril.

In the meantime I certainly wouldn't buy a used car from you, nor legal services should in the not too distant future need to return to your old trade.
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