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Am I the only person in the world to ASK a question as to the honour and legitimacy of the crown prosecution and the police force involved in this 'money for nothing' affair???

"No more inquiries"? For his personal peace of mind or for police convenience?

I know from personal experience that the Crown Office officials are guilty of telling any lies required to take a case to Court. If they did not have Crown immunity and total control of the corupt system then they themselves would be up in Court for PERJURY. The more enquieries the better to bring out the truth. It would be better if they ALL disappeared.

I know from personal experience that the Crown Office officials are guilty of telling any lies required to take a case to Court. If they did not have Crown immunity and total control of the corupt system then they themselves would be up in Court for PERJURY. The more enquieries the better to bring out the truth. It would be better if they ALL disappeared.

What kind of monster could make such a suggestion? Far from there being no more enquiries, there should be a permanent standing public enquiry into the McKie case overseen by a panel of three judges chaired by the Lord President of the Senate of the College of Justice. It should never close, and housed in a specially built building to be located in Princes Street, Edinburgh (site to be obtained by demolishing the Jenners building) and designed and built by the people who brought us the Scottish Parliament building, with a fifty foot bronze statue of Dreyfuss outside. Fifty QCs should be permanently employed in it, paid out of public funds. Everybody above Inspector level in the police service should be dismssed, as should all lawyers presently working for the government. Mr Mulhern should be proscribed and banished from the Kingdom for suggesting that we have had enough of this excruciating affair. Only then will Ms McKie's dad get closure.

An expected remark from someone such as Mr Mulhern, whose interest would be served by there being no inquiry, but more to the point, if a fully public judicial inquiry goes ahead into the McKie case, it will or at least should, reveal this endemic culture of injustice which has been allowed to breed freely in the Scottish Justice system now for decades. The Justice Secretary should proceed without futher unecessary delay with the promised inquiry into the Shirley McKie affair, and at the same time, take a hard look at the way the Scottish Justice system and those people who either serve it, or use it as a business model for profit, have been allowed to effectively run the legal system for their own benefit, occasionally serving both themselves and political allies in efforts to control accountability and transparency. One would have thought (in a modern democracy) the legal profession would be partnering the call for such a public inquiry to set things right, but alas their silence is deafening, perhaps because the very Justice system which now must surely fall under the gaze of a proper inquiry, is rotten to the core in all its tentacles. Mr MacAskill, you recognised the 'adversarial' way in which the legal system deals with people who take issue with it - recognise the same 'adversarial' way in which Shirley McKie, her family, and so many others have been treated by that same Justice system over the years, and put matters right.

Is this Mr Mulhern's new job after taking his retirement pension and lump sum? If so this is an injustice in itself. Was it easy for him in his last job to close any dispute or matters which were uncomfortable without question or redress?

I don't think i would like to be charged with anything under a system where the prosecution can withhold evidence that could clear me from my defense lawyers. Surely the Scottish elite that used to control the system have declined in influence. Maybe not, in which case it is time for a complete overhaul of the system including banning the smear verdict of "not proven" used to smear the character and integrity of innocent men and women..

With Scottish justice failing almost every week more inquiries , accountability or threat of same are needed. Boyd held a enquiry/lessons would be learned and he and uncontested Elish said modernisation had been made after the Chokar disaster. Not so. Elish is not competent nor accountable . McCaskill, no stranger to the cells himself, has gone native and needs to ensure standards are set and monitored- he has been silent while Aitken How many more justice disasters need to take place disasters before legal reforms are made- the Crown Office need an accountable board and more disciplinary action. Andrew Mackay went awol/absent from his job-sack him? From Oscar Slater 1908 to the 1970s there were practically no miscarriages in Scotland. From 1970s,Church, Swanson Paddy Meehan to Johnson, Asbury and Worlds End there have been over 40 excluding Fraser/Lockerbie. How many sackings, prosecutions for perverting course of justice ? ZERO -Labour's protection of the public sector since the 1970s is to blame but they have no fear of the hopeless Kenny McCaskill. Get Sturgeon in Alex

A totally bizarre suggestion from Mulhearn. One MIGHT have thought that he and his peer group might have been at the head of the queue in wishing the system purged of it's endemic errors/evils (depending on your point of view. However, all this does os give succour to tthose of us already highly suspicious of the motives of many in high places in the judicial system. As for the McKie affair...when ARE we to get the promised public enquiry.......far from being over, this one has only just begun Mr. Mulhearn. ..........Oh, and while we're on the subject.......where ARE the long-promised "reveal-all" stories from the ex-fingerprint people?... (who many argue were near the root cause of this affair). They walked off the stage with fistfuls of unearned public money and loud wails of "We Canna get tellin' oor side o' the story"..........well lads an' lassies...that wiz ages ago (and wiz never true anyway)..........and we're still waitin'....and NOT TOO PATIENTLY........... put up or shut up gang !!

Untill we can remove the political aspect from the Crown office we are almost certainly destined to suffer the injustices of the cases mentioned previously - The worlds End case is just the latest in a long line of such decisions. An enquiry into the handling of this case in isolation would be of no real benefit, however a "root and branch" examination of Crown Office decision making processes and ultimate aims of such decisions would be of benefit. As for Mulheron's comments are they really worth bothering about ? I do agree completely with those requiring a full public enquiry into the McKie case - I believe we deserve to be told why she received her payout, I think we deserve to be told what her movements were when the original crime scene was set up ( was she on duty/off duty, was she near it ? did she drive past it ? We also deserve to be told if Ms McKie was involved in any previous incedent where her fingerprints may have been found - yes a public enquiry would be a good thing, but only if it brought out the truth from ALL involved. And oh yes it would be nice to confirm who the murderer was - strange the Police didn't appear to be looking at anyone else for it ?

Our group have years of experience court watching .We have ALL been stitched up by those who use our legal system for their own financial gain.The ease with which ALL who operate within our courts provide perjured and fabricated evidence is breathtaking . We have an utter culture of lies and deceit that eat into the very decency expected from a mature legal system that unfortunately has been dramatically distorted because so much of what is done particularly in civil courts is without proper jury structures. We have far to many legalites who have taken over responsibility for decision making that under COMMON LAW they have no right to make.Scottish courts are our peoples courts and NOT for those who have by stealth taken control of a legal system that displays enormous disregard for the human rights of the many victims. Those human rights only available to the serial criminals who are the gravy train for the legal aid lawyers that seem to obtain public moneys with ease.Those moneys STOLEN by the Scottish Legal Aid Board from the thousands of civil litigants who have lost millions in dubious legal actions to prop up the massive financial coffers that fund the likes of Jackson and Findlay . Try and access the accounting of the Scottish Legal Aid Board and you will get to the heart of what is seriously wrong with our system of law.We have lawyers with their legal aid funding only to keen to get serial criminals back onto the streets to commit more hideous crimes that require EXTENSIVE court work and funded by the public purse to the tune of BILLIONS. The Scottish Legal Aid board require to publicly open their books to show the sinister connections between innocent victims of Scottish civil courts who are having their lives fleeced to pay for lawyers to defend serial criminals that should have NEVER be released in the first place. We can prove the vast majority of repossessed homes and the forcible removal of families and their children are triggered by the Scottish Legal Aid board funding actions that create some of the worst perjury in any supposed civilized society.The cosy relationship between the Scottish Legal Aid Board and the Law Society of Scotland will ensure the injustice will continue as our legal system has been high jacked by a self appointed elite who are only interested in the financial gain that both serial criminals and the fleecing of innocent victims can create for the multi billion pound legal parasites.Justice comes a very poor second if AT ALL. The ONLY way to return some semblance of justice to our courts is full restoration of PEOPLE JURIES in all hearings whenever that is required and to remove ALL those that have been party to the culture of deceit that masquerades as some form of law and order. The complete rebuilding and restructuring of our legal system is the only way we can remove the BAD apples that have infected the rest. LJPR LEGAL JUDICIAL POLITICAL REFORMERS http://www.ljpr.info CIVIL TRIAL BY JURY ANYTHING ELSE IS TYRANNY

colin r. bearsden--a reasonable post spoiled by a snide remark--why did'nt you also a certain peer of the realm also a member of the scottish government??

Seamus, What Peer /don't follow? Oh yes Labour's Lord Watson -Arson endangering life/wilful fire raising got a quarter of the sentence Archer got for perjury ? What snide remark? Remember that during McKie Labour were only interested in protecting Unison members Police don't treat someone as missing for 24 hours except when its the useless Alan Mackay who messed up Worlds End and there on the case immediately . He was aided by / conspired with ELlsh who with a career in the Scottish public sector doesn't know what professional standards are? Job in the private sector real world needed methinks. This is the Crown Office covering up another miscarriage, Frances Barber, and not getting justice for 6 women. MacCaskill should table a vote of no confidence in Elish Angiolini- but he won't because he's a coward and has been silent. Scotland deserves and needs much better.

I agree with Alex Neil and would thank him for putting Mulhern in his place. Never had any time for him However I think thank Mr Neil has been blinded by the McKies. The truth will eventually come out (I hope).

Broon i am very sorry but i think Mr Neil has not been blinded by the McKies as you put it. He is a man who is willing to stand up against people like yourself and say : there has been mistakes made here and it's time we sorted them out. The mere mention of Pitt (Fit-Up)St is enough to tell us the type of person you are: Obviously another SCRO supporter? Anyway without men like Alex Neil were would people like "Tam Young", Remember him (Convicted of killing Francis Barker, Murdered in July 1977) He has protested his Innocence since being convicted and God Only Knows what kind of life and pains he has endured over the years with this conviction to his name. He would have been Beasted up in prison for years. When the chance comes for crown to put the real Culprit (Sinclair) in the Dock what happens? It gets covered up and the advocate Runs Away. What a joke our Judicial system has been for decades, Now with a change of Government SNP have a chance to change all this Secrecy and make Crown More Accountable. Maybe then they will think twice about fitting people up.

Govan boy Do you not remember the trial of Shirley McKie were she was found not Guilty Unanimously (No Doubt) of perjury when she said she did not enter the house. More alarmingly now the case of Sinclair now raises more serious concerns about the way Police and Crown Office deal with Exculpatory evidence. Tam Young served thirty years in prison for murdering Francis Barker and Police along with Crown Office have withheld evidence that it was Sinclair that committed this murder. This is the same people who tried to fit up Shirley McKie. The same people that allowed Fiona McBride to sign other experts signatures on this wrongly identified print they said was Shirley's. Miss McBrides excuse for signing other experts signature was::: She Knew that they had looked at it. Yes Govanboy Iain Mckie has waited long enough for this promised Enquiry and it cannot come too soon for him, Remember he is the one pushing for this Enquiry and Mulhern is the one running scared and not wanting to be exposed further and tryintg to put his blockers on it. Yes the truth will come out, Then the McKie's will maybe get some much deserved respite.

[quote][bold]Broon (mind me?)[/bold] wrote: I agree with Alex Neil and would thank him for putting Mulhern in his place. Never had any time for him However I think thank Mr Neil has been blinded by the McKies. The truth will eventually come out (I hope).[/quote] BROON After last night in Paris, I'm faur too happy to take ye tae atsk fur yer stupit remarks re the McKie case. Ah'll therefore confine masel' tae saein'......"Awa' Ya Mug Ye !!!"

Good to see Big Wullie back on the rant. I have missed his nonsense for a while.. Apparently he's wormed his way on to some US website and is being ripped apart every time he posts. Nice of you to give the yanks a laugh, we’re getting bored with you

Dear Mr Mulhern You are a complete ar$ehole sir! The McKie case is not just about the fight by one woman to attain justice, it goes right to the heart of what does scottish justice stand for. Why is this clown in a position of authority, he should be stripped of his office. Yours sincerely George Laird The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University

Shirley Troon above. (Also Known to the Yanks as Daktari) Cannot ever answer a question put to him, in fact the other day he tried to convince the Americans that SCRO officers and workers are not granted immunity when giving evidence. I soon linked the Scottish Executive claiming they could not be prosecuted under "Absolute Immunity." Shut him up big time. Away you go and raffle yourself Daktari you are not going to wind me up here now because you couldn't succeed on CLPEX at the Lockerbie Connection nor the McKie Facing court topic i'm **** sure your'e not going to succeed here, "Chase yersell ya eejit you" Shirley Troon that'll be right, Wait till your name does come out. Hope to see you at any Enquiry. How's Fiona McBride keeping these days, Is she still signing other peoples signatures, She could always go out and do the Cheque Cards if She's that good eh. Best Regards for the enqiry Daktari i might even have the pleasure of seeing you squirming there Anyone wanting to check out my comments can do so at CLPEX

Whilst the McKies' have asked for a Judicial Inquiry and the present government has promised to deliver. It is worthy of note that the fingerprint examiners involved at the Glasgow Bureau have with the full backing of Unison and their previous employers Strathclyde Joint Police Board fully supported the call for a Judicial Inquiry. A full inquiry is necessary for all parties involved. It may also go some way to restoring some form of credibility to the Scottish Judicial System. The resignation of an out of step David Mulhern should be demanded now.

Sherlock Combs I agree about the constantly redefined never ending limits of Iain McKies demands: His daughter was cleared by our splendid justice system (which Iain McKie now pledges no faith in, conveniently after his daughter got away with selective recollection during her perjury trial and then got her dough) and the experts removed from service (with accompanying gloating from McKie) He once sang Mulherns praises, now he damns him, there is a theme, as long as you absolutely agree with what McKie is saying on that day then you are a noble and honest person (no matter what you are saying) when he moves the goalposts then the once blessed become part of this conspiracy against his daughter. All rhetoric aside, it is this simple: Either Ms. McKie disobeyed her (unreasonable and unprecedented) order not to go to the crime scene, or her fellow officers on the investigating team, the scenes of crime officers, the fingerprint experts, independent fingerprint experts the procurator fiscal and lord advocate and Scottish ministers and MSP’s (including opposition MSP’s) were all willing to stake the system on victimising her. There are three things that should be absolutely certain from this news: 1.There should be an enquiry; Mulhern is obviously protecting somebody with something to hide. 2.This can’t possibly be the 6 staff Mulhern forced out of their jobs (with much praise from Alex Neil and Iain McKie) 3.If the SNP keep their pledge then the enquiry should start afresh, from the moment of the murder and have a fresh look at all facts and all individuals. At what point does common sense start to kick in. Mr. McKie, Mr. Neil, Mulherns comment should finally convince you that you have been looking under the wrong beds in your quest to find monsters. RETIRED BUT STILL SWITCHED ON There is one expert who was sacked outright for not accepting “a fistful of money” as you put it. There are a couple of cases to go through the courts in relation to matters arising from this case, I trust that despite your goading, you would not wish any individual involved to compromise the outcome of these cases. David Asbury has been through so much it would be a shame for anything to upset a fair and open and balanced hearing of his claim for compensation. You wouldn’t deny him and the taxpayer (from who he may be compensated) that would you? Please be patient, a little longer at least. GOVANBOY The SNP have already attempted to depoliticise the role of the Lord Advocate. And that’s ultimately going to be a good thing. If there had been a Lord Advocate who wasn’t in bed with the ministers then we may have had more sense out of Cathy Jamieson and Colin Boyd last year at Justice One. IS IT HEN BROON, GLASGOW You describe Alex Neil as “a man who is willing to stand up against people like yourself and say : there has been mistakes made here and it's time we sorted them out.” Do you think Alex Neil should also be man enough to admit to and apologise for the damage caused by his mistaken backing of false misidentification claims by Gary Dempster, John Macleod and Allan Bayle in the Sutherland case?