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Another poorly educated Labour numptie with no track record of achievement in the private sector. He's right there should be contest the - the problem is most Labour voters and MSPs are so brainwashed they won't know what to do until Wendy tells them and the MSPs are so inarticulate they canlt express an opinion - remeber the Election Sppeches of Pauline MacNeill ( real name Cahill ), Bill Butler,Margaret " I only care about women single issue " Curran and that heavyweight contender Karen Whitefield - hyenas! Lets just remember some of Glasgow City COuncil's policies under Charlie, parking zones extended , £500K spent celberating the Trade Union Congress, social work scandals/ Red Roddy Sorlach, Sighthill Asylum Seeker housing and marder, Mckie /SCRO ( McFadden etc on JOint Police Board ), Boarded up houses, bad traffic light sequences, Kelvin Hall closed for three years, Councillors council tax in arrears, fines not collected.

The notion that Wendy Alexander might get union backing is a bit hopeful, Douglas. Too many people remember that "the hungry caterpillar" addressed the STUC in Aberdeen - just before she flounced out of Jack's Cabinet after failing to save Compaq. 'A new field' was the theme of that equally ill-judged sermon as I remember as she wrung her hands in public over the acres in Erskine her church had bought and given to the multi-national. No, if you want to talk this story up why not try this hypothesis: McConnell swaps seats with John Reid MP and goes into UK politics while the former Home Secretary goes on to Holyrood to take on Alex Salmond but ends up taking on Gordon Brown. Dual citizenship with France becomes Labour's rallying call in the runup to a General Election and a Referendum in which rail links between Motherwell and Paris become a defining Scottish issue.

What about Sarah Boyack? She looks a dead ringer for Tracii in BB8 so you could say she has the zeitgeist?

It does not matter who leads this wrongly named Labour party, they have forfeited the right to represent ordinary Scottish voters. As long as Labour has pseudo-socialists like Cathy Jamieson and Elaine Smith in the party they have no credibility. Why are they still members of a political party which has long since lost touch with its core supporters and is in collusion with the most right wing extremist American government in generations? If only we had Real Labour instead of New Labour!

Cherlie wuz educated at Strathcyde Uni, to which he went, where he jumped ship from being a socialist to become a career Labourite.

Colin B:- You said:- [bold]the problem is most Labour voters and MSPs are so brainwashed they won't know what to do until Wendy tells them[/bold] You should have said:- the problem is most Labour voters and MSPs are so brainwashed they won't know what to do until Wendy tells them ,[bold]what Gordon has told HER what to do.[/bold]

Colin B:- You said:- [bold]Another poorly educated Labour numptie[/bold] Well sadly Colin,you are right. Although being poorly educated is not too bad as long as their levels of common sense are high and that they can communicate verbally. The most cringing thing about many members of the Scottish Labour party, especially in local government, is their use of grammar and tenses, which is on a par with some footballers e.g. "we have came here", "Youze", etc etc

GB and Colin B, Perhaps your somewhat snooty, disdainful and frankly snobbish comments on whether or not Labour politicians are well or poorly educated and are capable/incapable of articulating their position may hold more credence if both of you were capable of spelling/typing correctly and were adept at grammar and syntax as well... What should be the important issue here is whether or not Chutzpah Gordon (an MSP -from my own constituency-with little to no track record at Holyrood) should be considered as a serious candidate for the leadership. To my mind it suggests either a paucity of credible candidates or simply a lack of solid news when parliament is on holiday. If Wendy Alexander or any of the others mentioned are serious about leading the party then they should simply stand as a candidate without all the background maneouvring that appears to be going on.

Colin B, you missed another highlight of Charlie's spell in charge: the closing down of Govanhill Pool. Now something that could have been a tourist attraction as well as a vital community resource, lies rotting away.

The fact that one of the options open to the "failed First Minister" is a seat in the House of Lords demonstrates how undemocratic our so-called democracy really is. If the man no longer has the confidence of his colleagues they should drop him as leader, if his constituents no longer wish him to represent them they should ditch him at the next election. Why should we "feather-bed" him just because he is/was bad at his job.

More stalking donkey than horse. Where does Labour get these numpties from?

Mac, Dundee "Where does Labour get these numpties from? " Labour have always had numpties, and they've probably even had as many as they have now. What they no longer have is a decent number of independent thinks to hide the numpties. I think this is, in part, a consequence of the selection procedures of the last few years that has alienated (or excluded) any independent thinkers. Talent, in the Labour party, used to be measured by the ability to vocalise and stand up for principles. Now it seems, talent is measured by whether they have an MBA, or have worked for Glasgow City Council.

David Didn't realise Donegal had left the tricolour for the union - glad to have you back We feather bedded Lord Watson the arsonist, Lord Boyd the failed Lord Advocate so why not Joke mcConnell - while we're at it how about Oor Cathy

Andymac 7.44AM misses the point of Douglas Fraser's story. Nowhere is Gordon "considered as a serious candidate for the leadership." His role is that of stalking horse-or at least the arse- end of a pantomime version.

Colin B: You refer to "Pauline MacNeill (real name Cahill)". What's the significance of that, please?

Perhaps using a trail of sweeties leading to Gordon Brown at the Manse would entice the precious few 'candidates' for the prestigious role as labour 'Scottish' leader to be less shy? A more effective way to[bold] "draw other MSP's into the race"[/bold] could not be found, and it saves the guy in the glasses who resembles a young and cheery Christopher Biggins (forgotten his name) even bothering.

[quote][bold]bobpunk[/bold] wrote: Andymac 7.44AM misses the point of Douglas Fraser's story. Nowhere is Gordon "considered as a serious candidate for the leadership." His role is that of stalking horse-or at least the arse- end of a pantomime version. [/quote] Oh how quickly the Nats forget Bill Wilson and the SNP Fundamentalist Wing running John Swinney from the SNP leadership.

Re Kinghob 12.03pm. Charlie Gordon a "young Christopher Biggins".....Ouch!

bobpunk, My aplogies for not making it clearer. I know the article implied he may be a "stalking horse" my point was as stated: if any of the "candidates" (as yet undeclared, of course) wish to stand for the leadership then they should do so openly, not sit back and see what support there is for Jack McConnell in a contest with Charlie Gordon. I thought I had made that very point in my post by stating "the issue is whether or not he should be considered a serious candidate...". Of course he isn't, although apparently neither was john Major...

I am no fan of the Labour party, but surely even those who are accept that McConnell was a bit of a party hack who was more of a 'least worst' candidate than a good one. His staccato delivery really is pretty awful, and the paucity of policies in the Labour cupboard was shown up when even the Nats seemed to have more. i also cant really think of any leaders of any party in the past who have taken their party a full term, lost the election and then stayed in place. I can only assume that he wants a graceful exit. As for potential leaders, Wendy Alexander, lets face it is not bad looking, so I think she should be the one, though I am told that she is not altogether popular amongst the MSPs in parlt. Absolutely no one else would do a good job, though plenty would make a pigs ear of it.

[quote][bold]Andymac[/bold] wrote: GB and Colin B, Perhaps your somewhat snooty, disdainful and frankly snobbish comments on whether or not Labour politicians are well or poorly educated and are capable/incapable of articulating their position may hold more credence if both of you were capable of spelling/typing correctly and were adept at grammar and syntax as well... What should be the important issue here is whether or not Chutzpah Gordon (an MSP -from my own constituency-with little to no track record at Holyrood) should be considered as a serious candidate for the leadership. To my mind it suggests either a paucity of credible candidates or simply a lack of solid news when parliament is on holiday. If Wendy Alexander or any of the others mentioned are serious about leading the party then they should simply stand as a candidate without all the background maneouvring that appears to be going on. [/quote] How do other countries, business tycoons, captains of industry etc view a country where the electorate have chosen to have leaders who cannot string 2 sentences together properly? That probably says more about us than the politicians what we have came to the polls to have elected............. .....

[quote][bold]DJ[/bold] wrote: I am no fan of the Labour party, but surely even those who are accept that McConnell was a bit of a party hack who was more of a \'least worst\' candidate than a good one. His staccato delivery really is pretty awful, and the paucity of policies in the Labour cupboard was shown up when even the Nats seemed to have more. i also cant really think of any leaders of any party in the past who have taken their party a full term, lost the election and then stayed in place. I can only assume that he wants a graceful exit. As for potential leaders, Wendy Alexander, lets face it is not bad looking, so I think she should be the one, though I am told that she is not altogether popular amongst the MSPs in parlt. Absolutely no one else would do a good job, though plenty would make a pigs ear of it.[/quote] [quote]As for potential leaders, Wendy Alexander, lets face it is not bad looking, so I think she should be the one[/quote] Come on DJ. Is that what matters now? I hope you're being ironic. Wendy Alexander is a smart and able woman, who would probably do a reasonable job of examining executive policies in opposition. Whether she would be able, as the leader, to pull the Labour party together in it's current demoralised state may be another matter entirely. I suspect she may the best option for Scottish Labour. But that may simply indicate the lack of talent around at the moment.

GB, I was pointing out the irony (in addition to the snobbery) of comments posted criticising the lack of education etc being full of typos themselves. How other political leaders, business leaders view us is irrelevant as long as the politicians elected are capable of doing a good job and that does not depend necessarily on education or articulacy. ps. my last posting at 2.05 shows that whilst I can type I can't work out how to insert quotes from a previous post..sorry about that!...

Wendy reads a mean bedtime story. If that's what Labour wants, go for it. Meantime the rest of us can rest happy in the knowledge that grown-ups are actually running the country.

[quote][bold]Andymac[/bold] wrote: GB, I was pointing out the irony (in addition to the snobbery) of comments posted criticising the lack of education etc being full of typos themselves. How other political leaders, business leaders view us is irrelevant as long as the politicians elected are capable of doing a good job and that does not depend necessarily on education or articulacy. ps. my last posting at 2.05 shows that whilst I can type I can't work out how to insert quotes from a previous post..sorry about that!...[/quote] I will have to disagree Andy. In my opinion I think it's [bold]very[/bold] important for our politicians to be articulate. So on this point, we will agree to differ.

Can Labour risk a byelection? Perhaps Jack should just stay put!

Dear all “Charlie Gordon, the former Glasgow City Council leader, is considering a bid to unseat Jack McConnell as Labour leader at Holyrood” [bold]Does Gordon have a set of keys to lock all the doors?[/bold] [bold]Who can take Gordon seriously after the Winter Palace scandal at Glasgow Green were he tried to get special treatment by holding his wedding in it while officially closed.[/bold] [bold]One rule for Gordon, another for the rest of us![/bold] “The Glasgow Cathcart MSP has told friends he believes there should be a contest, and that he is willing to be a "stalking horse".” [bold]Will his stalking horse be called, “ Who ate all the pies”?[/bold] “However, it is understood he has little expectation of winning the leadership”. [bold]An example of how deluded he is, “little expectation”, certainly selling himself pretty highly.[/bold] “Contacted yesterday, Mr Gordon would say only that he has not ruled out standing to force a contest.” [bold]Gordon should think himself lucky to have crawled into Holyrood since he has no talent or vision.[/bold] “The prospect adds to the pressure on Mr McConnell to stand down or call a contest at which he can defend his leadership, in the wake of being ousted from office at the election in May.” [bold]Poor McConnell even the no talent losers are turning on him.[/bold] “Although MSPs are away from Holyrood during July and August, speculation within Labour circles has been stepped up after a weekend briefing that made it clear Mr McConnell is minded to announce he is standing down next month.” [bold]The gravy train on platform four is the 12.45 to London, calling at Crewe, Rugby and Preston, those wanting £200 a day at the House of Lords, please use the first two carriages.[/bold] “Yet it is also claimed he is facing pressure to remain in the post and retain party stability, possibly by forcing an election in an attempt to win a renewed leadership mandate.” [bold]As if anyone cares![/bold] “That speculation has made a contest all but inevitable.” [bold]That’s a stretch for Mr Fraser to make. Douglas should make the effort to be nice to the SNP and stop his self imposed exile in the wilderness. I am sure the SNP have forgiven him for his election coverage.[/bold] “Mr Gordon could pressure the party's Scottish executive to call a special conference”. [bold]Can he spell his name and fill out forms properly?[/bold] “though Wendy Alexander, the front runner to replace Mr McConnell, could be the one to put down the minimum 10 MSP nominations to spark a challenge.” [bold]St Wendy of Glasgow will appear all virginal in white and mutter, “What I do now I do for Scotland”.[/bold] “On the left of the party, Elaine Smith, convener of the Campaign for Socialism grouping within the Holyrood group, told The Herald that the party membership must be given a choice, unlike the replacement in the Westminster leadership of Tony Blair by Gordon Brown last month”. [bold]Since the coronation left a bad taste in the mouths of the public down south like the lack of help Brown gave during the floods.[/bold] “One of those who could take up the left-wing mantle in a battle for the leadership could be Cathy Jamieson”. [bold]Cathy ‘Moron Jamieson who was responsible for the biggest scandal in Scottish legal history![/bold] [bold]That bunny boiler shouldn’t be in the Scottish Parliament in any capacity. [/bold] “Apart from Wendy Alexander, the finance and sustainable growth spokeswoman, Andy Kerr, the health spokesman, is thought to be the second most likely candidate in a leadership contest.” [bold]He should team up with Gordon and organise the food.[/bold] “Margaret Curran, with the justice brief, is understood to be considering whether to stand.” [bold]Her election speech in Glasgow shows her to be a screaming loon, just what Scotland needs![/bold] “A further significant figure is Iain Gray, the former enterprise minister” [bold]Who!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!![/bold] “Ms Alexander is seen as being ahead because she has put in the planning groundwork, with support expected from the Prime Minister and from trade unions.” [bold]Plotting in secret to stab her leader in the back, says it all, thanks Douglas for that, now we know what one of the Alexander brothers has been up to.[/bold] [bold]Wendy Alexander, First Minister of Scotland........plea se someone tell them to grow up. She was previously sacked from a government job as not able to cut the mustard.[/bold] [bold]Yours sincerely George Laird The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University[/bold]

I have heard some deluded labourites on here in the past, usually they believe that Labour won the May 3rd Scottish Elections or some such make believe, but surely the one that said that Wendy Alexander is good looking is a good bit behind on his medication? I am not being sexist, he brought it up, but she is by no standard that I am aware of good looking. Her oratory abilities are also fairly woeful, and I believe she will be the labour leader, but a major turn-off to an elecorate already not exactly loving labour.

"I come" "I did" instead of; " I came" "I done" Goanny no dae that!!!!! (see above)

Nice one, JJ @ 12.26!!

Cathy Jamison a left winger--ur having a laugh!!!!

Don't underestimate Charlie Gordon; he didn't get where he is without a great deal of support within NuLab. He's no "stalking horse". This is a serious attempt fro the leadership.

[quote][bold]frank mcbride[/bold] wrote: Don't underestimate Charlie Gordon; he didn't get where he is without a great deal of support within NuLab. He's no "stalking horse". This is a serious attempt fro the leadership. [/quote] Frank M. Where pray are labour gonna get a stalkin' horse amongst a herd of DONKEYS !!!

The only good thing about this guy is he is responsible for a lot of Glaswegians changing their vote from Labour in Glasgow. This city is a left wing mess and a lot of the responsiblity for it is in his hands.

Quite agree, Colin. They [italic][bold]do[/bold] [/italic] tend to be inarticulate and illiterate, but you end up looking like "Another poorly educated.......... numptie" if you don't read over your comments before you post them. For example: "there should be contest the - the problem is..." "so inarticulate they canlt express..." "remeber the Election Sppeches..." Don't think there are a[italic]italic[/italic] [bold]bold[/bold] ny "left-wing" enclaves left in Scotland or the U.K., Alice. Incidentally: anyone else think that Charlie Gordon (never knew what he looked like, myself) and David Cairns MP were swapped at birth?

its the reap what you sow cliche again for the labour party in scotland. they weeded out by every dodgy tactic they could,every dissenting voice from every short list or panel of candidates they issued , that they are now left without a credible leader and NO serious leadership contenders.