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FAIs on soldiers ‘a matter for Scottish ministers’

Holyrood ministers were told yesterday it was for them and not Westminster to change the law to allow deaths of military personnel killed while serving abroad to be investigated in Scotland.

The Defence Secretary Des Browne said the issues needing addressed were "a matter for Scottish ministers".

As Holyrood debated a review of the system for holding fatal accident inquiries (FAIs), a letter from Mr Browne to the Scottish Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill was also sent to MSPs.

In the letter, Mr Browne pointed out that, under the current system, FAIs could not investigate deaths outside Scotland.

He also said families of servicemen and women needed to be certain deaths would be investigated, but pointed out that FAIs are only mandatory in some cases.

Mr Browne said: "Addressing these issues is, of course, a matter for Scottish ministers.

"The answer is for you to make a commitment to amend Scots law in a way that can guarantee that Scottish-based service families can be assured of mandatory inquiries into overseas operational deaths.

"If that were to happen it would be entirely appropriate to repatriate deceased service personnel to Scottish bases once the law has been changed.

"You will understand, however, that I cannot contemplate changes without your commitment to mandatory investigations."

The MoD repatriates the bodies of service personnel killed overseas to airfields in the south of England.

This means Scottish fatalities come within the scope of coroners' inquests as soon as their bodies touch down on English soil.

Under the Coroners Act of 1988, coroners can hold inquests only within their own districts, so there is no legislative basis for inquests to be held outside England. The Fatal Accidents and Sudden Deaths Inquiries (Scotland) Act 1976 permits the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service to investigate only deaths in Scotland.

Mr Browne said that while the current system gave families of service personnel certainty that their deaths would be investigated, "it does not deliver, as far as Scottish-based service families are concerned, the convenience of investigations held close to home".


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Posted by: subrosa on 1:14am Fri 28 Mar 08
Right, the government must get on with this immediately. I'm off to email my MSP.
Posted by: Jeff Duncan, Dundee on 8:19am Fri 28 Mar 08
Perhaps part-time Defence Minister/Scottish Minister (how can you do two full-time jobs Des?) should hand over responsibilty to Scotland Soldiers to Holyrood - perhaps then they would not see their regiments reduce to a batallion, get proper healthcare if returning injured from Afghanistan or Iray.

Labour are full of lies and hot air when it comes to the army - saying that WE all need to appreciate and honour them.

Well we always did Mr Brown/Mr Browne - it is you that gives them shoddy housing, sends them into dubious wars, abolishes regiments, low pay and conditions - should I go on?

Posted by: Toophingers, Bellshill. on 11:34am Thu 3 Apr 08
Jeff Duncan wrote:
Perhaps part-time Defence Minister/Scottish Minister (how can you do two full-time jobs Des?) should hand over responsibilty to Scotland Soldiers to Holyrood - perhaps then they would not see their regiments reduce to a batallion, get proper healthcare if returning injured from Afghanistan or Iray. Labour are full of lies and hot air when it comes to the army - saying that WE all need to appreciate and honour them. Well we always did Mr Brown/Mr Browne - it is you that gives them shoddy housing, sends them into dubious wars, abolishes regiments, low pay and conditions - should I go on?
Browne's reported MOD £90 million annual rental paid to a housing set-up and private landlords for empty houses, many unfit for human habitation, would go a long way to giving the troops better protective armour and save them the cost of buying their own gear to replace his MOD duff rubbish issue.
PS. Has he ever seen a parade ground, let alone tramped one?
Talk about round pegs in square holes.
Posted by: Strathturret, Montrose on 9:57pm Tue 8 Apr 08
A simple question that I don't understand. Why are we investigating military deaths? Surely it goes with the job. Its a bit like the SFA carrying out an investigation if a player breaks his leg.

We didn't do it during the Somme. Why now.

The simple answer is don't get involved in wars.
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 10:56pm Tue 15 Apr 08

Strathturret Single malt
Why are we investigating military deaths?
One instance:

When a man signs the pledge he knows what the ultimate sacrifice might be, that goes with the job, but he doesn't expect on getting sent to the front line without the proper equipment.

If he is, and dies as a consequence ....

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