
Swinney faces tough political battle to win support for Budget
Action at Holyrood in the early weeks of 2008 will focus on the Budget. This is new
territory, where the Scottish Government lacks a majority and has to horse-trade with the opposition.
During the recess, MSPs on the Finance Committee are considering the recommendations made privately by the subject committee, such as education and health, for shifting resources around.
The rules require that money put into a priority not chosen by Finance Secretary John Swinney must be matched by a cut elsewhere. The Finance Committee looks across the range of spending, and can recommend cuts from one area to put more money into its preferred option.
Chaired by SNP trusty Andrew Welsh, its conclusions are only recommendations. But if Mr Swinney is not willing to give at least some ground to opposition parties' priorities - police and drugs spending for Tories, training for Labour, universities for LibDems, less roads spending for Greens - he will struggle to have his budget approved.
That is only the start of the political battle. With the first of the next three years' funding financially tight, there is going to be pain in parts of the public sector that have enjoyed eight years of steeply rising budgets.
One of Mr Swinney's innovations has been to win friends in local government by giving them more freedom to spend money, with less of it ring-fenced. In the current 2007-8 year, nearly £3bn can be spent only on specified items, out of more than £10bn.
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The plan for the £11.14bn council grant next financial year is for £2.2bn of that to be removed from ring-fencing, while £500m of police grant remains (which councils are happy with), and another £200m for community regeneration, which will cease to be ring-fenced in 2009-10.
This has given Mr Swinney an opportunity to pass the blame for future cuts on to councillors. It has also let Labour at Holyrood highlight the 40 spending areas which had specific money identified, but where there are now no guarantees.
Labour MSPs reckon most problems will arise in flood prevention, which costs vast sums that councillors will be tempted to divert to more pressing needs, at least until heavy rain.
The issue that has most political mileage is in funding for vulnerable and disabled children, if only for its emotive impact. A Commons committee recommended a major increase in spending on services for them in October 2006. The Treasury responded with £340m extra, £34m of which came to Scotland. That was passed on to councils by the previous Holyrood administration and earmarked for children's services.
It has become a political football. While Labour talks of betraying vulnerable children, SNP ministers stress the money is still there, but have deliberately chosen not to say where it should be spent.
That requires 32 councils being held to account by local voters and official watchdogs, with annual reports on their progress in hitting nationally-agreed service outcomes.
It also requires the voluntary and charity sector to re-orient itself to councils, aware that its services are often the most vulnerable to change and cuts and with major concerns highlighted in The Herald today, with strong concerns voiced by the Prince's Trust, NCH Scotland, and Children 1st.
The SNP dismisses the Labour attack on two grounds: one is that the Labour leadership at Holyrood appears "determined to sabotage improved relations between central and local government", contrasting this with less harmonious relations while Labour dominated both.
Nationalist politicians are also delighted to find Labour split.
The Holyrood front bench warns the end of ring-fencing is a danger to vital services, while Labour's council leadership has signed up to the Swinney reforms, being particularly positive about the end to ring-fencing.
The split was there in the last executive, with Finance Minister Tom McCabe favourable to more autonomy but colleagues led by Andy Kerr blocking such moves.
As explained today by Pat Watters, a Labour councillor in South Lanarkshire, but one who represents all the parties within the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities, this change is seen as giving local government its proper place in responding to local priorities.
At issue are competing theories of government: localism and accountability. At stake are billions of pounds, and vital services.
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Posted by: Astonished, Inverclyde on 12:10am Mon 31 Dec 07
Non-Numpty Headline : Labour party deeply split over Scottish Government's Budget.
"This process of partnership ensures we are all accountable to local people for the quality of public services in a way that the blunt instrument of ring-fencing never could.
Under the previous executive, Cosla was promised a year-on-year reduction in ring-fencing, so it is difficult to see why such a fuss is being made by the simple acceleration of that process." said Pat Watters of COSLA.
Mr Fraser could not be contacted for a response as he was discussing other ways of discrediting the Scottish Government with a Mr Alf "vote Labour " Young. Really, really shameful stuff.
Not long now until there is nothing left to scrape out of the barrel.
Non-Numpty Headline : Labour party deeply split over Scottish Government's Budget.
"This process of partnership ensures we are all accountable to local people for the quality of public services in a way that the blunt instrument of ring-fencing never could.
Under the previous executive, Cosla was promised a year-on-year reduction in ring-fencing, so it is difficult to see why such a fuss is being made by the simple acceleration of that process." said Pat Watters of COSLA.
Mr Fraser could not be contacted for a response as he was discussing other ways of discrediting the Scottish Government with a Mr Alf "vote Labour " Young. Really, really shameful stuff.
Not long now until there is nothing left to scrape out of the barrel.
Posted by: £5000, Worse Off on 12:13am Mon 31 Dec 07
c'mon you real Labour folk get a grip o yer party before it ends up in oblivion.... yer heritage is so much better that this fear that your peddling these days...what happened to [bold]maxwell, john maclean etc[/bold] .... what happened to your belief in democracy and true local community led responsibility...
c'mon you real Labour folk get a grip o yer party before it ends up in oblivion.... yer heritage is so much better that this fear that your peddling these days...what happened to
maxwell, john maclean etc .... what happened to your belief in democracy and true local community led responsibility...
Posted by: Surprised, Glasgow on 12:14am Mon 31 Dec 07
Astonished, [bold]spot on![/bold]
Posted by: doonhamer on 12:50am Mon 31 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Astonished[/bold] wrote:
Non-Numpty Headline : Labour party deeply split over Scottish Government's Budget. "This process of partnership ensures we are all accountable to local people for the quality of public services in a way that the blunt instrument of ring-fencing never could. Under the previous executive, Cosla was promised a year-on-year reduction in ring-fencing, so it is difficult to see why such a fuss is being made by the simple acceleration of that process." said Pat Watters of COSLA. Mr Fraser could not be contacted for a response as he was discussing other ways of discrediting the Scottish Government with a Mr Alf "vote Labour " Young. Really, really shameful stuff. Not long now until there is nothing left to scrape out of the barrel. [/quote] They are already scraping it off the bottom of the barrel.
Astonished wrote:
Non-Numpty Headline : Labour party deeply split over Scottish Government's Budget. "This process of partnership ensures we are all accountable to local people for the quality of public services in a way that the blunt instrument of ring-fencing never could. Under the previous executive, Cosla was promised a year-on-year reduction in ring-fencing, so it is difficult to see why such a fuss is being made by the simple acceleration of that process." said Pat Watters of COSLA. Mr Fraser could not be contacted for a response as he was discussing other ways of discrediting the Scottish Government with a Mr Alf "vote Labour " Young. Really, really shameful stuff. Not long now until there is nothing left to scrape out of the barrel.
They are already scraping it off the bottom of the barrel.
Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 12:57am Mon 31 Dec 07
"the end of ring-fencing is a danger to vital services"
Like Aberdeen's Hogmanay street party, apparently.
"the end of ring-fencing is a danger to vital services"
Like Aberdeen's Hogmanay street party, apparently.
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 1:08am Mon 31 Dec 07
The 21st century and Labour stand shoulder to shoulder with Bush and Blair and Brown in the 20th century.
The 21st century and Labour stand shoulder to shoulder with Bush and Blair and Brown in the 20th century.
Posted by: Dougie Douglas, Brisbane on 1:19am Mon 31 Dec 07
Don't pass the budget then.
Disolve parliament.
Call another election.
That won't happen though will it my labour chums? - you would be blown out of the water.
Labour is self-destructing, sit back and enjoy.
Happy new year to all!!!
Don't pass the budget then.
Disolve parliament.
Call another election.
That won't happen though will it my labour chums? - you would be blown out of the water.
Labour is self-destructing, sit back and enjoy.
Happy new year to all!!!
Posted by: Jimbo on 1:50am Mon 31 Dec 07
Labour claim that..... "the end of ring-fencing is a danger to vital services, while Labour's council leadership has signed up to the Swinney reforms, being particularly positive about the end to ring-fencing."
So are they claiming that councils across Scotland are incompetent and unable to prioritise their spending?
The Unionist Alliance are caught between a rock and a hard place here. If they sabotage the budget they will be accused of once again holding Scotland back. If they allow it to progress unopposed they will be going against the wishes of their Westminster masters.
BTW, why no news of Wendy or Nichol? Have they both gone into hiding together?
Has Wendy been charged with conspiracy yet? Is all this guff being churned out in an attempt to make us forget her criminal actions?
Labour claim that..... "the end of ring-fencing is a danger to vital services, while Labour's council leadership has signed up to the Swinney reforms, being particularly positive about the end to ring-fencing."
So are they claiming that councils across Scotland are incompetent and unable to prioritise their spending?
The Unionist Alliance are caught between a rock and a hard place here. If they sabotage the budget they will be accused of once again holding Scotland back. If they allow it to progress unopposed they will be going against the wishes of their Westminster masters.
BTW, why no news of Wendy or Nichol? Have they both gone into hiding together?
Has Wendy been charged with conspiracy yet? Is all this guff being churned out in an attempt to make us forget her criminal actions?
Posted by: BIG TRAM on 2:20am Mon 31 Dec 07
[bold]Is something unravelling?[/bold]
http://news.scotsman
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Is something unravelling?
http://news.scotsman
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Posted by: Tired of excuses, Galashiels on 3:38am Mon 31 Dec 07
Labour wants to keep "ring fencing" so that all their cronies can keep their junkets and their snouts in the trough.
It really is that simple.
Labour wants to keep "ring fencing" so that all their cronies can keep their junkets and their snouts in the trough.
It really is that simple.
Posted by: douglas, East Kilbride. on 5:33am Mon 31 Dec 07
Unholy Labour/Tory alliance again uniting to thwart the Scottish Governments efforts to cure Scotlands ills.
Labour in Scotland is firmly in bed with the Tories. It was the Labour, Tory, LibDem Alliance that forced the SNP Government to drop its plans to cancel the Edinburgh Tram project.
The Labour/Tory, LibDem Alliance also united to vainly attempt to thwart the SNPs National Conversation on Scotlands constitutional future.
The Labour/Tory, LibDem Alliance are currently plotting their strategy to block the Scottish Governments budget.
The Labour/Tory, LibDem Alliance has united against the SNP Government to deny the people of Scotland the opportunity to democraticly decide Scotlands future in a referendum offering Independence as an option.
Labour seeks to unite with the Scottish Conservatives on a regular and frequent basis at Holyrood ... their sole purpose of being, it seems, to score points off the SNP Government , even to the detriment of the best interests of Scotland and the Scottish people.
At Holyrood, not only are Labour in bed with the Tories, they are in the shower, the hot-tub, holding hands and kissing in public !!!
Unfortunatly for them... the Scottish electorate are no where near as stupid as Labour like to think they are.... the voters can see with a crystal like clarity Labours dishonest and shameful sabotage of Scotlands elected Government.... and will make Labour pay for this at the next election.
Unholy Labour/Tory alliance again uniting to thwart the Scottish Governments efforts to cure Scotlands ills.
Labour in Scotland is firmly in bed with the Tories. It was the Labour, Tory, LibDem Alliance that forced the SNP Government to drop its plans to cancel the Edinburgh Tram project.
The Labour/Tory, LibDem Alliance also united to vainly attempt to thwart the SNPs National Conversation on Scotlands constitutional future.
The Labour/Tory, LibDem Alliance are currently plotting their strategy to block the Scottish Governments budget.
The Labour/Tory, LibDem Alliance has united against the SNP Government to deny the people of Scotland the opportunity to democraticly decide Scotlands future in a referendum offering Independence as an option.
Labour seeks to unite with the Scottish Conservatives on a regular and frequent basis at Holyrood ... their sole purpose of being, it seems, to score points off the SNP Government , even to the detriment of the best interests of Scotland and the Scottish people.
At Holyrood, not only are Labour in bed with the Tories, they are in the shower, the hot-tub, holding hands and kissing in public !!!
Unfortunatly for them... the Scottish electorate are no where near as stupid as Labour like to think they are.... the voters can see with a crystal like clarity Labours dishonest and shameful sabotage of Scotlands elected Government.... and will make Labour pay for this at the next election.
Posted by: pehman, sussex on 7:19am Mon 31 Dec 07
Labour cries wolf
Again and again and again
A real story would be labour ousts Alexander or labour does something
Labour cries wolf
Again and again and again
A real story would be labour ousts Alexander or labour does something
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 7:23am Mon 31 Dec 07
Labour says;
SAVE OOR PIES - SAVE OOR BRIDIES - SAVE OOR HOGMANAY
- and while yer at it- HUG A WEAN!
Labour says;
SAVE OOR PIES - SAVE OOR BRIDIES - SAVE OOR HOGMANAY
- and while yer at it- HUG A WEAN!
Posted by: stonehaven on 10:18am Mon 31 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Dougie Douglas[/bold] wrote:
Don't pass the budget then. Disolve parliament. Call another election. That won't happen though will it my labour chums? - you would be blown out of the water. Labour is self-destructing, sit back and enjoy. Happy new year to all!!![/quote] Dougie
Totally agree with that strategy except I would prefer the opposition parties to move a vote of no confidence. That would cause uproar in the electorate and Salmond would benefit even more.
That will not happen in reality as Annabel would never side with Lab/Lib over such a fundamental issue.
Happy new year to you.
Dougie Douglas wrote:
Don't pass the budget then. Disolve parliament. Call another election. That won't happen though will it my labour chums? - you would be blown out of the water. Labour is self-destructing, sit back and enjoy. Happy new year to all!!!
Dougie
Totally agree with that strategy except I would prefer the opposition parties to move a vote of no confidence. That would cause uproar in the electorate and Salmond would benefit even more.
That will not happen in reality as Annabel would never side with Lab/Lib over such a fundamental issue.
Happy new year to you.
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 10:44am Mon 31 Dec 07
To all the Hogmanay well wishers - thanks and right back at ye. Next year's gonae be crap economically and Ah don't think it'll ever improve efter. A melt doon is comin - time tae net-work. Time fur "Priorities and Principles". Time fur independence.
To all the Hogmanay well wishers - thanks and right back at ye. Next year's gonae be crap economically and Ah don't think it'll ever improve efter. A melt doon is comin - time tae net-work. Time fur "Priorities and Principles". Time fur independence.
Posted by: Politically-incorrec
t Man, Glasgow on 11:10am Mon 31 Dec 07
[quote]This has given Mr Swinney an opportunity to pass the blame for future cuts on to councillors. [/quote]
[quote]At issue are competing theories of government: localism and accountability. At stake are billions of pounds, and vital services.[/quote]
[quote]Labour MSPs reckon most problems will arise in flood prevention, which costs vast sums that councillors will be tempted to divert to more pressing needs, at least until heavy rain.[/quote]
Balanced reporting from Rsliker Doug as per usual.
This has given Mr Swinney an opportunity to pass the blame for future cuts on to councillors.
At issue are competing theories of government: localism and accountability. At stake are billions of pounds, and vital services.
Labour MSPs reckon most problems will arise in flood prevention, which costs vast sums that councillors will be tempted to divert to more pressing needs, at least until heavy rain.
Balanced reporting from Rsliker Doug as per usual.
Posted by: stonehaven on 11:40am Mon 31 Dec 07
I predict that the budget will be approved after a bit of minor tinkering to pander to the Unionist parties. They daren't scupper the whole process. This is a non-story.
I predict that the budget will be approved after a bit of minor tinkering to pander to the Unionist parties. They daren't scupper the whole process. This is a non-story.
Posted by: Aurora, Edinburgh on 12:15pm Mon 31 Dec 07
[quote][bold]£5000[/bold] wrote:
c'mon you real Labour folk get a grip o yer party before it ends up in oblivion.... yer heritage is so much better that this fear that your peddling these days...what happened to [bold]maxwell, john maclean etc[/bold] .... what happened to your belief in democracy and true local community led responsibility...[/quote] Classic ignorance by Nats of history.
"Maxwell" is going strong and plays left defender for St Mirren.
"John MacLean" was never a member of LP - he was a founder member of the CP in Scotland!!
£5000 wrote:
c'mon you real Labour folk get a grip o yer party before it ends up in oblivion.... yer heritage is so much better that this fear that your peddling these days...what happened to maxwell, john maclean etc .... what happened to your belief in democracy and true local community led responsibility...
Classic ignorance by Nats of history.
"Maxwell" is going strong and plays left defender for St Mirren.
"John MacLean" was never a member of LP - he was a founder member of the CP in Scotland!!
Posted by: £5000, Worse Off on 12:44pm Mon 31 Dec 07
John Maclean joined the British Socialist Party (BSP) in 1911 and became a vigorous anti-war and anti-conscription campaigner.
After being imprisoned for a second time in 1921, he concentrated on building up his new party, the Scottish Workers' Republican Party.
Your right Aurora, he has nothing at all to do with Labour.
John Maclean joined the British Socialist Party (BSP) in 1911 and became a vigorous anti-war and anti-conscription campaigner.
After being imprisoned for a second time in 1921, he concentrated on building up his new party, the Scottish Workers' Republican Party.
Your right Aurora, he has nothing at all to do with Labour.
Posted by: £5000, Worse off on 12:48pm Mon 31 Dec 07
[bold]PS[/bold] 'Left Defender' - cute
PS 'Left Defender' - cute
Posted by: Mac Gille-Leabhar, Aberdeenshire on 12:50pm Mon 31 Dec 07
Jimbo asked for any information regarding the location of Wendy and Nichol.Dont know about Wendy but Nichol is probably hiding in the "dunny".On Saturday The Press and Journal carried a news article stating that the Aberdeen Bypass campaign group Road Sense have just won the right under The Freedom of Information Act after a long battle to gain access to Tavish Scott's correspondence with civil servants regarding part of the bypass route at Milltimber with the purpose of establishing if that particular route was chosen for political reasons. I wonder why they would think that? Any ideas Nichol ...er... mmmm .. Tavish any thoughts on the matter? Different type of ring fence round something?
Jimbo asked for any information regarding the location of Wendy and Nichol.Dont know about Wendy but Nichol is probably hiding in the "dunny".On Saturday The Press and Journal carried a news article stating that the Aberdeen Bypass campaign group Road Sense have just won the right under The Freedom of Information Act after a long battle to gain access to Tavish Scott's correspondence with civil servants regarding part of the bypass route at Milltimber with the purpose of establishing if that particular route was chosen for political reasons. I wonder why they would think that? Any ideas Nichol ...er... mmmm .. Tavish any thoughts on the matter? Different type of ring fence round something?
Posted by: The West Awake, Argyll on 1:32pm Mon 31 Dec 07
I agree with the above posters that the opposition will never vote down the budget, not with the SNP riding high in the polls and Labour and the Lib Dems (to a lesser extent) in disarray.
I disagree with Fraser that the SNP will have to grant concessions to all the opposition parties to get the budget through though. They will have to give a few bawbees to the Tories and the Greens, in order that they can sell the budget to their supporters, but I reckon, and sincerely hope, that Labour and the Lib Dems will get absolutely NOWT.
Both the Union organ grinder and his monkey have sought at any and every ocassion to shaft the SNP, whether it is right or wrong, whether in Scotlands interest or not, whether it will even get the support of their own voters.
Give them F All Alex, it's all they're worth.
I agree with the above posters that the opposition will never vote down the budget, not with the SNP riding high in the polls and Labour and the Lib Dems (to a lesser extent) in disarray.
I disagree with Fraser that the SNP will have to grant concessions to all the opposition parties to get the budget through though. They will have to give a few bawbees to the Tories and the Greens, in order that they can sell the budget to their supporters, but I reckon, and sincerely hope, that Labour and the Lib Dems will get absolutely NOWT.
Both the Union organ grinder and his monkey have sought at any and every ocassion to shaft the SNP, whether it is right or wrong, whether in Scotlands interest or not, whether it will even get the support of their own voters.
Give them F All Alex, it's all they're worth.
Posted by: akw on 1:47pm Mon 31 Dec 07
Anyone notice Beans "dispeasure" at rigged elections in kenya?
No sign of any "displeasure" at last years scottish rigged elections, was there?
Anyone notice Beans "dispeasure" at rigged elections in kenya?
No sign of any "displeasure" at last years scottish rigged elections, was there?
Posted by: observer on 3:03pm Mon 31 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Politically-incorrect Man[/bold] wrote:
[quote]This has given Mr Swinney an opportunity to pass the blame for future cuts on to councillors. [/quote] [quote]At issue are competing theories of government: localism and accountability. At stake are billions of pounds, and vital services.[/quote] [quote]Labour MSPs reckon most problems will arise in flood prevention, which costs vast sums that councillors will be tempted to divert to more pressing needs, at least until heavy rain.[/quote] Balanced reporting from Rsliker Doug as per usual.[/quote] Sssh don't tell anybody this but there are a lot of very well paid jobs in the ''voluntary'' sector. Who have perhaps been used to getting annual bungs. From certain people.
On a serious note, I don't think charities who provide essential services will be denied funds. but some organisations will. Who perhaps don't actually provide value for money.
Still douglas fraser has his song sheet and he's singing from it.
Politically-incorrect Man wrote:
This has given Mr Swinney an opportunity to pass the blame for future cuts on to councillors.
At issue are competing theories of government: localism and accountability. At stake are billions of pounds, and vital services.
Labour MSPs reckon most problems will arise in flood prevention, which costs vast sums that councillors will be tempted to divert to more pressing needs, at least until heavy rain.
Balanced reporting from Rsliker Doug as per usual.
Sssh don't tell anybody this but there are a lot of very well paid jobs in the ''voluntary'' sector. Who have perhaps been used to getting annual bungs. From certain people.
On a serious note, I don't think charities who provide essential services will be denied funds. but some organisations will. Who perhaps don't actually provide value for money.
Still douglas fraser has his song sheet and he's singing from it.
Posted by: James on 4:34pm Mon 31 Dec 07
Has anyone from the SNP considered the implications of removing "ring fencing" on the Red Kite population?
I don't think so.
Has anyone from the SNP considered the implications of removing "ring fencing" on the Red Kite population?
I don't think so.
Posted by: strathturret, 291-982 on 5:39pm Mon 31 Dec 07
To be fair to The Herald the comment piece by Pat Watters, president of COSLA demolishes the arguments of labour MSPs. Watters is a Labour man too. The Councils obviously prefer less ring fencing as it gives them more say and makes decision making more local.
To be fair to The Herald the comment piece by Pat Watters, president of COSLA demolishes the arguments of labour MSPs. Watters is a Labour man too. The Councils obviously prefer less ring fencing as it gives them more say and makes decision making more local.
Posted by: Observer on 5:49pm Mon 31 Dec 07
Yeah Pat Watters was good, dare I say it there are people who are cool in every party. On a non party political level can I say, with a background in these things, that subsidiarity is good. Devolve power to the lowest level. Make people in control of things. This is one of the best things the Govt has done. They have been attacked for it mercilessly. Becaue Labour are a shower of Stalinist control freaks. Ooops didn't mean to say that.
Yeah Pat Watters was good, dare I say it there are people who are cool in every party. On a non party political level can I say, with a background in these things, that subsidiarity is good. Devolve power to the lowest level. Make people in control of things. This is one of the best things the Govt has done. They have been attacked for it mercilessly. Becaue Labour are a shower of Stalinist control freaks. Ooops didn't mean to say that.
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 5:54pm Mon 31 Dec 07
Aurora is a Teenager Fighting Acne[quote]Classic ignorance by Nats of history.[/quote] "Ignorance" - have you any idea of what are the basic principles of the Treaty? I doubt it, otherwise you would be arguing how Scotland has been comprehensively ... shall we say, short-changed.
But then, even if you were half-informed you would not care. Your acne comes before all else.
Aurora is a Teenager Fighting Acne
Classic ignorance by Nats of history.
"Ignorance" - have you any idea of what are the basic principles of the Treaty? I doubt it, otherwise you would be arguing how Scotland has been comprehensively ... shall we say, short-changed.
But then, even if you were half-informed you would not care. Your acne comes before all else.
Posted by: Mr Lachie Todd, Edinburgh on 6:30pm Mon 31 Dec 07
The Scottish Parliament is fixed for a 4 year period.
The Scottish Budget might well unravel exposing serious problems and end the viabliity of an SNP minority administration?
The Unionist parties could then move to overturn the SNP minority government and seek another Holyrood Election?
However, if the SNP funding somehow works out, and they are still able to freeze the Council Tax, then all the Unionist parties might well end up in permanent opposition for another 4 years!
The Scottish Parliament is fixed for a 4 year period.
The Scottish Budget might well unravel exposing serious problems and end the viabliity of an SNP minority administration?
The Unionist parties could then move to overturn the SNP minority government and seek another Holyrood Election?
However, if the SNP funding somehow works out, and they are still able to freeze the Council Tax, then all the Unionist parties might well end up in permanent opposition for another 4 years!
Posted by: tcek, south lanarkshire on 7:29pm Mon 31 Dec 07
[quote][bold]strathturret[/bold] wrote:
To be fair to The Herald the comment piece by Pat Watters, president of COSLA demolishes the arguments of labour MSPs. Watters is a Labour man too. The Councils obviously prefer less ring fencing as it gives them more say and makes decision making more local.[/quote] Labour man my ar$e hes a total scumball, some of us have long memories of that rogue, and so has the annals of Hamilton sheriff court
strathturret wrote:
To be fair to The Herald the comment piece by Pat Watters, president of COSLA demolishes the arguments of labour MSPs. Watters is a Labour man too. The Councils obviously prefer less ring fencing as it gives them more say and makes decision making more local.
Labour man my ar$e hes a total scumball, some of us have long memories of that rogue, and so has the annals of Hamilton sheriff court
Posted by: Iain on 8:11pm Mon 31 Dec 07
Why don't the herald mention that John Swinney was a highly competent accountant and management consultant before he entered politics. His predecessor as Finance Secretary/Minister, Tom McCabe, on the other hand was an odious little trade unionist. We need people who are good with money. We need shop stewards like a fish needs a bicycle.
Why don't the herald mention that John Swinney was a highly competent accountant and management consultant before he entered politics. His predecessor as Finance Secretary/Minister, Tom McCabe, on the other hand was an odious little trade unionist. We need people who are good with money. We need shop stewards like a fish needs a bicycle.
Posted by: James, Lanarkshire on 9:02pm Mon 31 Dec 07
Another appallingly biased anti-SNP editorial in the Daily Record today and apparently Wendy has come out of her hidey hole with a new Years message for us - Not goodwill to all men, but a repeat of the "broken promises" mantra! As I don't see any mention of this in any other 'paper it looks concocted to me! The sad thing is that a large part of the population reads this rag and there is no chance of refuting it!
Another appallingly biased anti-SNP editorial in the Daily Record today and apparently Wendy has come out of her hidey hole with a new Years message for us - Not goodwill to all men, but a repeat of the "broken promises" mantra! As I don't see any mention of this in any other 'paper it looks concocted to me! The sad thing is that a large part of the population reads this rag and there is no chance of refuting it!
Posted by: tcek, south lanarkshire on 10:22pm Mon 31 Dec 07
A happy new year to all, and early in the new year we should see Wendy being brought to justice After all the fiscals cant categorize that people like the Alexanders, who by their own admission committed a crime, in other words in Britain if you commit a criminal offence ( the laws are made by Wendy and her likes ) you are punished. Alexander should have the book thrown at her because she said herself she committed a crime which makes her in a fraternity !! A criminal fraternity. She should never ever be allowed to make laws, that she cant uphold herself, therefore the punishment should be the maximum ONE YEAR IN BARLINNIE.
A happy new year to all, and early in the new year we should see Wendy being brought to justice After all the fiscals cant categorize that people like the Alexanders, who by their own admission committed a crime, in other words in Britain if you commit a criminal offence ( the laws are made by Wendy and her likes ) you are punished. Alexander should have the book thrown at her because she said herself she committed a crime which makes her in a fraternity !! A criminal fraternity. She should never ever be allowed to make laws, that she cant uphold herself, therefore the punishment should be the maximum ONE YEAR IN BARLINNIE.
Posted by: Graham, Glasgow on 11:07pm Mon 31 Dec 07
tcek, 10:22. You seem to be obsessed with banging people up in the nick. Get a grip aw yer knickers! OK stick the so called respectable members of society in the slammer. You know the pedos etc, the ones that do real harm to individuals. Maybe a night in the Bar L with some of my friends will change your mind. You might emerge with a squeeky voice. Anyhow have a good night and a braw New Year. And that applys to everyone, including all you SNP NUMPTIES. Aw ra best,
LADS and LASSIES.[bold]bold[/bold]
tcek, 10:22. You seem to be obsessed with banging people up in the nick. Get a grip aw yer knickers! OK stick the so called respectable members of society in the slammer. You know the pedos etc, the ones that do real harm to individuals. Maybe a night in the Bar L with some of my friends will change your mind. You might emerge with a squeeky voice. Anyhow have a good night and a braw New Year. And that applys to everyone, including all you SNP NUMPTIES. Aw ra best,
LADS and LASSIES.
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 11:47pm Mon 31 Dec 07
Graham spreads cheer[quote]all you SNP NUMPTIES.[/quote] Sheesh
Graham spreads cheer
all you SNP NUMPTIES.
Sheesh
Posted by: rob4i, Scottish Borders on 4:37am Tue 1 Jan 08
Swinney fights to get budget through, its all a waste of time and energy. Its devolution itself that cannot work while we have those silly little pro-union parties in Scotland trying to prevent the very thing that Scotland needs, INDEPENDENCE, the only way we can move forward to a proper democratically elected party to govern OUR country SCOTLAND is when we are an independent state. I am totally fed up with the pretendy wee politics that is happening in our country and I am sure Alex Salmond feels the same and until we can rid ourselves of the pro-union spoilers in our midst we can never enter real politics!!!
Swinney fights to get budget through, its all a waste of time and energy. Its devolution itself that cannot work while we have those silly little pro-union parties in Scotland trying to prevent the very thing that Scotland needs, INDEPENDENCE, the only way we can move forward to a proper democratically elected party to govern OUR country SCOTLAND is when we are an independent state. I am totally fed up with the pretendy wee politics that is happening in our country and I am sure Alex Salmond feels the same and until we can rid ourselves of the pro-union spoilers in our midst we can never enter real politics!!!
Posted by: Jim on 11:59am Tue 1 Jan 08
What are the numbers in the balance in Hollyrood should at least two MSP’s get their respective collars felt? If charges are laid are they automatically disbarred?
Its food for thought, as is the “cash for Honours” fiasco.
A small scenario; Sir Ian Blair of fame and renown, did not get fired or forced to resign, could it be that had he gone (may still yet) threatened to write his memoirs, naming names.
What are the numbers in the balance in Hollyrood should at least two MSP’s get their respective collars felt? If charges are laid are they automatically disbarred?
Its food for thought, as is the “cash for Honours” fiasco.
A small scenario; Sir Ian Blair of fame and renown, did not get fired or forced to resign, could it be that had he gone (may still yet) threatened to write his memoirs, naming names.
Posted by: Graham, Glasgow on 12:47pm Tue 1 Jan 08
Rob 4i,4:37am. Heres an idea on how to get rid of pro union spoilers as you claim. IMAN Hifzur Rehamn, Pakistan." Homosexuals must be killed-its the only way to stop them SPREADING. It should be by BEHEADING or STONING, where the general public can do it"
The SNPs main backer could lead the crowd!!! I like the bit about spreading. IT DID NOT OCCUR TO HIM THAT IN GENERAL homosexuals tend not to breed.[bold]bold[/bold]
Rob 4i,4:37am. Heres an idea on how to get rid of pro union spoilers as you claim. IMAN Hifzur Rehamn, Pakistan." Homosexuals must be killed-its the only way to stop them SPREADING. It should be by BEHEADING or STONING, where the general public can do it"
The SNPs main backer could lead the crowd!!! I like the bit about spreading. IT DID NOT OCCUR TO HIM THAT IN GENERAL homosexuals tend not to breed.
Posted by: Curley Bill, the southwest on 1:41pm Tue 1 Jan 08
Graham, Glasgow on 12:47pm today - your post is despicable, sir, and you are an arsehole of the first water.
As to the article:
[quote]Chaired by SNP trusty Andrew Welsh,[/quote] writes Douglas Fraser. What a card this reporter(?) is - by using terms associated with prison terminology his nuance is that Mr Welsh is engaged in criminality.
Very clever, considering it is Mr Fraser's pin-up girl who is an admitted felon.
At times - when frustration gets the better of him - Mr Fraser writes splendid, unbiased articles. Sadly though, these times are few and far between.
However, having said this, may I wish Mr Fraser and his delightful wife and family best wishes for the coming year.
Graham, Glasgow on 12:47pm today - your post is despicable, sir, and you are an arsehole of the first water.
As to the article:
Chaired by SNP trusty Andrew Welsh,
writes Douglas Fraser. What a card this reporter(?) is - by using terms associated with prison terminology his nuance is that Mr Welsh is engaged in criminality.
Very clever, considering it is Mr Fraser's pin-up girl who is an admitted felon.
At times - when frustration gets the better of him - Mr Fraser writes splendid, unbiased articles. Sadly though, these times are few and far between.
However, having said this, may I wish Mr Fraser and his delightful wife and family best wishes for the coming year.
Posted by: Graham, Glasgow on 2:18pm Tue 1 Jan 08
CB,1:41PM. I SAY OLD CHAP,WELCOME TO THE CLUB. YOU APPEAR TO BE WELL AND TRULY UP YOUR OWN![bold]bold[/bold]
CB,1:41PM. I SAY OLD CHAP,WELCOME TO THE CLUB. YOU APPEAR TO BE WELL AND TRULY UP YOUR OWN!
Posted by: stonehaven on 3:44pm Tue 1 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Graham[/bold] wrote:
tcek, 10:22. You seem to be obsessed with banging people up in the nick. Get a grip aw yer knickers! OK stick the so called respectable members of society in the slammer. You know the pedos etc, the ones that do real harm to individuals. Maybe a night in the Bar L with some of my friends will change your mind. You might emerge with a squeeky voice. Anyhow have a good night and a braw New Year. And that applys to everyone, including all you SNP NUMPTIES. Aw ra best,
LADS and LASSIES.[bold]bold[/bold] [/quote] Wendy belongs in the clink for breaking the law. Simple as that!
Graham wrote:
tcek, 10:22. You seem to be obsessed with banging people up in the nick. Get a grip aw yer knickers! OK stick the so called respectable members of society in the slammer. You know the pedos etc, the ones that do real harm to individuals. Maybe a night in the Bar L with some of my friends will change your mind. You might emerge with a squeeky voice. Anyhow have a good night and a braw New Year. And that applys to everyone, including all you SNP NUMPTIES. Aw ra best,
LADS and LASSIES.
Wendy belongs in the clink for breaking the law. Simple as that!
Posted by: stonehaven on 3:47pm Tue 1 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Graham[/bold] wrote:
Rob 4i,4:37am. Heres an idea on how to get rid of pro union spoilers as you claim. IMAN Hifzur Rehamn, Pakistan." Homosexuals must be killed-its the only way to stop them SPREADING. It should be by BEHEADING or STONING, where the general public can do it"
The SNPs main backer could lead the crowd!!! I like the bit about spreading. IT DID NOT OCCUR TO HIM THAT IN GENERAL homosexuals tend not to breed.[bold]bold[/bold] [/quote] I have to say Graham, you are an absolute tw@t. Suspect you are a bit of a sicko too.
Graham wrote:
Rob 4i,4:37am. Heres an idea on how to get rid of pro union spoilers as you claim. IMAN Hifzur Rehamn, Pakistan." Homosexuals must be killed-its the only way to stop them SPREADING. It should be by BEHEADING or STONING, where the general public can do it"
The SNPs main backer could lead the crowd!!! I like the bit about spreading. IT DID NOT OCCUR TO HIM THAT IN GENERAL homosexuals tend not to breed.
I have to say Graham, you are an absolute tw@t. Suspect you are a bit of a sicko too.
Posted by: Graham, Glasgow on 4:26pm Tue 1 Jan 08
Stonehaven:3:47pm. Hardly as sick as taking the mans money. Incidentally the bit about the Iman was from a recorded interview. But I suspect you were probably offended by the SNP main backer bit!! Good.[bold]bold[/bold]
Stonehaven:3:47pm. Hardly as sick as taking the mans money. Incidentally the bit about the Iman was from a recorded interview. But I suspect you were probably offended by the SNP main backer bit!! Good.
Posted by: David Alexander on 6:52pm Tue 1 Jan 08
Graham is an old union man and appears to a rather unpleasant individual.
Happy New Year anyway.
Graham is an old union man and appears to a rather unpleasant individual.
Happy New Year anyway.
Posted by: Graham, Glasgow on 10:07pm Tue 1 Jan 08
DA,6:52. AW RA BEST TO YOU DAVID! I met with a lot of other unpleasant young Unionists tonight in the local and can advise we are alive and kicking and will not go away. But you are right ,I am getting on, a bit!! And could be unpleasant when required.[bold]bold[/bold]
DA,6:52. AW RA BEST TO YOU DAVID! I met with a lot of other unpleasant young Unionists tonight in the local and can advise we are alive and kicking and will not go away. But you are right ,I am getting on, a bit!! And could be unpleasant when required.
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 10:17pm Tue 1 Jan 08
Graham Visits The Isle of Man Pub[quote]I met with a lot of other unpleasant young Unionists tonight in the local and can advise we are alive and kicking and will not go away.[/quote]You can't have much to talk about in the way of political policies, but going by your posts you'll do a lot of talking about yourselves.
LoL
Graham Visits The Isle of Man Pub
I met with a lot of other unpleasant young Unionists tonight in the local and can advise we are alive and kicking and will not go away.
You can't have much to talk about in the way of political policies, but going by your posts you'll do a lot of talking about yourselves.
LoL
Posted by: David Alexander on 10:25pm Tue 1 Jan 08
LA
[quote]You can't have much to talk about in the way of political policies, but going by your posts you'll do a lot of talking about yourselves.[/quote]
...and gloating about the destruction of Iraq.
LA
You can't have much to talk about in the way of political policies, but going by your posts you'll do a lot of talking about yourselves.
...and gloating about the destruction of Iraq.
Posted by: Graham, Glasgow on 11:12pm Tue 1 Jan 08
DA,10:52PM. YES I am a fan of Blackadder and the gloater scene. So do you have much to talk about!![bold]bold[/bold]
DA,10:52PM. YES I am a fan of Blackadder and the gloater scene. So do you have much to talk about!!
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 11:18pm Tue 1 Jan 08
The Wit and Wisdom of Graham of Glasgow[quote]Get a grip aw yer knickers![/quote] [quote]Maybe a night in the Bar L with some of my friends will change your mind.[/quote] [quote]Homosexuals must be killed[/quote] [quote]YOU APPEAR TO BE WELL AND TRULY UP YOUR OWN![/quote] [quote]Hardly as sick as taking the mans money.[/quote] [quote]I could be unpleasant when required.[/quote][quote]I'm a fan of gloater[/quote]
Not much in the way of political insight or acumen there.
LoL
The Wit and Wisdom of Graham of Glasgow
Get a grip aw yer knickers!
Maybe a night in the Bar L with some of my friends will change your mind.
Homosexuals must be killed
YOU APPEAR TO BE WELL AND TRULY UP YOUR OWN!
Hardly as sick as taking the mans money.
I could be unpleasant when required.
I'm a fan of gloater
Not much in the way of political insight or acumen there.
LoL
Posted by: GRAHAM, GLASGOW on Wed 2 Jan 08
LA,11:18PM. I LIKE THE WORD ACUMEN, it sounds like acumen. I WILL USE IT IN CONVERSATION WITH THE LADS. THEY WILL BE IMPRESED, I am SURE! Thanks!![bold]bold[/bold]
LA,11:18PM. I LIKE THE WORD ACUMEN, it sounds like acumen. I WILL USE IT IN CONVERSATION WITH THE LADS. THEY WILL BE IMPRESED, I am SURE! Thanks!!
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 7:01am Wed 2 Jan 08
Graham Get's narked[quote]THEY WILL BE IMPRESED[/quote]"Impresed"? They won't be impressed with your spelling.
And "acumen" has nothing to do with hoovering. That''s "vacuum."
LoL
Graham Get's narked
THEY WILL BE IMPRESED
"Impresed"? They won't be impressed with your spelling.
And "acumen" has nothing to do with hoovering. That''s "vacuum."
LoL
Posted by: Jim, Irvine on 5:33pm Thu 3 Jan 08
Douglas, I used to think there was some hope that you and Alf Young
would have by now seen sense and stopped pandering to a dying breed of Unionists. Your surmise that John Sweeny will have trouble
getting his Budget is so much rubbish. John is a competent financier
and there is nobody in the Unionist ranks to touch him.
The budget will become law because not only is it a competent Budget but John has pointed out the difficulties of Westminister constraints ;
If the Labour Unionists try to advance a ' Vote of no Confidence ' and
force a Re-election then that is tantamount to Political Suicide. Fraser
knows that will not happen given Wendys future battle with the Law and subsequent Media death by a thousand cuts.
Confidence '
Douglas, I used to think there was some hope that you and Alf Young
would have by now seen sense and stopped pandering to a dying breed of Unionists. Your surmise that John Sweeny will have trouble
getting his Budget is so much rubbish. John is a competent financier
and there is nobody in the Unionist ranks to touch him.
The budget will become law because not only is it a competent Budget but John has pointed out the difficulties of Westminister constraints ;
If the Labour Unionists try to advance a ' Vote of no Confidence ' and
force a Re-election then that is tantamount to Political Suicide. Fraser
knows that will not happen given Wendys future battle with the Law and subsequent Media death by a thousand cuts.
Confidence '
Posted by: rob4i, Scottish Borders on 3:23pm Mon 7 Jan 08
[quote][bold]GRAHAM[/bold] wrote:
LA,11:18PM. I LIKE THE WORD ACUMEN, it sounds like acumen. I WILL USE IT IN CONVERSATION WITH THE LADS. THEY WILL BE IMPRESED, I am SURE! Thanks!![bold]bold[/bold] [/quote] I bet your mother was proud of you, the world's first ever surviving afterbirth !!
GRAHAM wrote:
LA,11:18PM. I LIKE THE WORD ACUMEN, it sounds like acumen. I WILL USE IT IN CONVERSATION WITH THE LADS. THEY WILL BE IMPRESED, I am SURE! Thanks!!
I bet your mother was proud of you, the world's first ever surviving afterbirth !!
