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Carriers contract secures 10,000 yard jobs
DAMIEN HENDERSONJuly 04 2008

A contract to build the Royal Navy's two biggest-ever aircraft carriers was finally signed yesterday, securing the future of nearly 5000 jobs in Scotland and around 10,000 across the UK for up to a decade.

The 65,000-tonne ships, named HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales, will be built in modular sections then assembled at Rosyth in Fife, with launches planned for 2014 and 2016.

Defence Secretary Des Browne, who was in Govan, Glasgow, to attend the signing of the contracts, believed to be worth £4.2bn, said the vessels would play a vital role in enhancing the UK's defence capabilities.

Each 280-metre vessel is around the size and weight of the QE2 cruise liner, some 90 metres longer than the Invincible class carriers they will replace and will have a flight deck of 13,000 square metres - the equivalent of three football pitches.

When operational, they will carry a crew of 1450 and, eventually, 36 Joint Strike Fighters and four airborne early warning aircraft.

Their construction will create or secure 3000 jobs at Govan in Glasgow and 1600 at Rosyth. A further 1600 jobs are expected to be supported at two English yards, at Portsmouth and Barrow in Furness. When the knock-on effect of increased work for outside contractors is taken into account, the total number of jobs involved should reach 10,000.

Work on the ships' hulls will be carried out at Govan, Barrow and Portsmouth, while the bow sections and final assembly will take place at Rosyth.

The deal to construct the ships was reached after the formation of a joint venture, BVT Surface Fleet, formed by BAE Systems on the Clyde and VT Group in Portsmouth as the UK's sole warship builder.

It was greeted with jubilation by the Govan workforce yesterday, who, 10 years after the very future of the shipyards was put in serious doubt, were celebrating a level of job security not seen in a generation.

Joanne McGlinchey, a 21-year-old trainee mechanical engineer who started a three-year apprenticeship last August at the Govan yard, said: "It's been a great atmosphere. I think today has put everybody's mind at rest over their future on the Clyde."

She was joined yesterday by Steven Purcell, leader of Glasgow City Council, who paid tribute to the achievements of the workers. He said: "Today's announcement is incredibly important and historic. It's a great tribute to the skill, dedication and the hard work of those who, day in, day out, put in a shift on the Clyde.

"A decade ago, we were told that shipbuilding was dead and many Labour ministers shared that view. This workforce and this city made the case for continuing to build ships from the Clyde because they convinced the then government that we were as competitive as Poland and yards in the far east."

Greg Bain, 41, a plater who joined the BAE workforce at Govan two years ago, said: "I was born in Govan and my father was a shipwright. He died a while ago but I wish he could have seen that I was working here. Everybody thought shipbuilding was dying on the Clyde. I never thought I'd have the opportunity to come here."

The contracts, said by the Ministry of Defence to be worth £3.2bn but estimated at £4.2bn by insiders, will ensure work till around 2015.

Politicians who attended yesterday's ceremony expressed optimism the skills being developed among the Clyde workforce would ensure that future contracts could be won.


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Posted by: Mercutio, Falkirk on 1:22am Fri 4 Jul 08
No Comment from the drones. Rejoice!!!
Posted by: Edward, Edinburgh on 2:33am Fri 4 Jul 08
Quite interesting that the media is beginning to wake up to the fact that we dont actually need 2 supersized carriers!
We cold have been building good number of type 45 destroyers, which we would need, instead of actually cutting back on the build of the type
also whats the point of the carriers?
there will not be enough money to actually fund the operations
Posted by: Traquir, Alba on 4:03am Fri 4 Jul 08
Apologies for posting on the wrong thread, but apparently Glasgows
Leading Quality Newspaper The Herald does not allow
comments on the local interest story the Glasgow East
by-election. Apparently Labour sycophant Dougie Fraser
continues his Pravda style censorship. I bet he can't wait
to leave The Herald and join the "Anglocentricity and London-centricity" of the Unionist mouthpiece the BBC
- see tinyurl.com/6md9t5
Of course it is nice to see that we can comment on the
latest generous Union dividend thread.

Anyhow ignoring Dougie yet again, and getting back to
the Glasgow East By-Election :

"David Cairns, the Scotland Office Minister, said: "If a by-election is not called now, the earliest possible date would be late October."

see - tinyurl.com/6979x3

Angus Robertson SNP MP
"The 1975 Recess Election Act allows for parliamentary by-elections to take place when Parliament is not in session,"

see - tinyurl.com/5wclvt

Oops, Labour caught out to be liars yet again :)

"The deadline for getting a postal vote is
5.00 pm on Wednesday, 9th July 2008"

"The issuing of postal ballot papers will commence on or after 14 July 2008"

see - tinyurl.com/63djyo

Glasgow Trades holidays are the week of the election
19th to 25th July. So basically to have a chance
to vote anybody that is going on holiday needs
to fill in the postal ballot and hopefully
receive the postal ballot form before they
head off on holiday. I wonder what the chance are
that they will get posted out after the 14th
July and won't arrive in mailboxes until people
have left for vacation the 18th July ?

From the Guardian

"Polling day has been deliberately placed during the summer holidays - Scottish schools have already broken up. It is also midway through the Glasgow fair holiday, when the city traditionally empties and the more politically volatile C2 demographic - backbone of many a byelection swing - are safely away on vacation."

"Today, humiliatingly, Labour's view is that the fewer people who vote, the better. Glasgow East - like Brown's premiership - is now entirely about survival."

see - tinyurl.com/66cr87

Clearly this is democracy British style - apparently
there is only a level playing field if
you are wearing a Unionist strip.
One silver lining though the SNP win in Glasgow East
will be even sweeter when it wins against
this type of underhand abuse.

Saor Alba
Posted by: Brizerwatt, Singapore on 5:31am Fri 4 Jul 08
Quite interesting that the media is beginning to wake up to the fact that we dont actually need 2 supersized carriers!
We cold have been building good number of type 45 destroyers, which we would need, instead of actually cutting back on the build of the type
also whats the point of the carriers?
there will not be enough money to actually fund the operations
Edward

The T45 Destroyers function is to protect the Carriers, it's what they are designed for. The Carriers have no defensive capability apart from the aircraft. Without the Carriers the T45 would be meaningless and vice versa.
Posted by: Donald Anderson, glasgow on 6:50am Fri 4 Jul 08
Why were all these folk posing for the cameras in clean overalls? Was there nothing else to be done in Govan, apart from Labour hyping it up for the by election?

Is that all Labour can promise us: a few jobs in the share of defence contracts? What about the rest of Government contacts?
Posted by: The Watcher, Glasgow on 8:12am Fri 4 Jul 08
Brizerwatt

Correct.

Donald

Every employee was issued with 2 pairs of brand new overalls on Wednesday after the formation of BVT.

As for the headline "...secures 10,000 jobs"

One shouldn't believe everything you read.

During all the positve spin put out by the new company, one thing they have neglected to mention is that there will be "harmonisation" of some "common" jobs across the sites in Bristol, Glasgow & Portsmouth.
Posted by: wee folding bike on 8:35am Fri 4 Jul 08
I'm in Wales at the moment. The local BBC news here reported it as a triumph for Barrow and it would just be going to Rosyth for fitting out.

Posted by: Edward, Edinburgh on 9:23am Fri 4 Jul 08
Brizerwatt wrote:
Quite interesting that the media is beginning to wake up to the fact that we dont actually need 2 supersized carriers! We cold have been building good number of type 45 destroyers, which we would need, instead of actually cutting back on the build of the type also whats the point of the carriers? there will not be enough money to actually fund the operations
Edward The T45 Destroyers function is to protect the Carriers, it's what they are designed for. The Carriers have no defensive capability apart from the aircraft. Without the Carriers the T45 would be meaningless and vice versa.
Fact remains, that we dont actually need these carriers, we cant afford to build the carriers and we cant afford to run the carriers
Fact also remains that of the 12 planned type 45 destroyers, half have been cancelled
Posted by: Strathdee, West Lothian on 9:26am Fri 4 Jul 08
wee folding bike wrote:
I'm in Wales at the moment. The local BBC news here reported it as a triumph for Barrow and it would just be going to Rosyth for fitting out.
Seems that the EBC will tell the savages what they want to hear?
Posted by: Mac, Dundee on 9:41am Fri 4 Jul 08
This simply is the most expensive job creation scheme ever that will result in two heaps of junk metal being floated around the high seas.

Pax Britannica in the shape of these two carriers will have no effect on asymmetrical conflicts as in Iraq and Afghanistan, nor political crises like Zimbabwe.

21st Century military strategy, as a integral part of foreign policy, is formed from the boots up, that is the soldier on the ground. It's the ability to put fully supported battle-groups, from battalion strength up, into the world's trouble spots that will make the difference. That's were military and foreign policy success lies and that is were the real and long term jobs are.

Gun boat diplomacy belongs to the 19th century.
Posted by: Marian on 9:50am Fri 4 Jul 08
The UK is "an unsinkable aircraft carrier" and can defend its landmass easily from its own air bases, so what does it need two aircraft carriers for other than to go on another offensive war against people in a distant land?
Posted by: Free Thinker, North Lanarkshire on 10:19am Fri 4 Jul 08
So this is what their spending Scotland's oil money on! North Lanarkshire's housing schemes are irrelevant it seems. There’s a surprise. I wonder what wee country will benefit next from these carriers’s ‘capability’.

I nearly died laughing when the mind-controlled Des Browne muttered something about ‘humanitarian’ operations. Hilarious! Just like the village of unsuspecting Afghans attacked by Apache Helicopter gunships wiping out four generations in minutes… aye I suppose it saved the destitute villagers from desperately trying to grow some grub on sub-standard land left over from the British Army protected heroin growing operations - - ensuring continued supply of drug to Scotland’s streets…

So when will puppet Browne be announcing the ‘humanitarian’ operation to Zimbabwe to depose Mugabe, another puppet put in place by the London Establishment?
Posted by: Ranting Rab, Carluke on 10:19am Fri 4 Jul 08
Watch the agencies recruiting lots of people for these 'jobs', there is a serious skill shortage and many positions shall be filled by migrant contractors.Not many from Glasgow East End!

Next silly question, When do they buy the aircraft for the carriers operational requirements? Where does the money come from?

Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 10:51am Fri 4 Jul 08
Mercutio wrote:
No Comment from the drones. Rejoice!!!
Politicians who attended yesterday's ceremony expressed optimism the skills being developed among the Clyde workforce would ensure that future contracts could be won


Something BAE has so far proven to be worthless outside of MoD handouts. What is Govan going to after these MoD Contracts dry up, this isn't a sustainable industry as it standads and Labour Politicians are truely selling it down the river with these continued handouts.

The Unions had betetr ask BAE for a clear strategy of how they propose to compete with Europe like every other Scottish shipyard or else we are heading for yet another crisis in Govan, yet another political fix.



Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 10:56am Fri 4 Jul 08


No United Kingdom, No Clyde yards

Ian Davidson MP



Oh Dear

Ian Davidson condemns the future of the Govan Yards to Government Spending on Defence......

No Future

Time for BAe to tell it's workforce how it plans to make itself competitive in Europe and how this will be sustained in the future.

Posted by: Paddy, Govan on 11:30am Fri 4 Jul 08
I hope all those apprentices are learning trades that are not dependent just on building warships. After the hulls of these carriers are finished, so are BAe in Govan. Unless, of course, they do a little financial jiggery-pokery with a Saudi prince or three. Oh, if only the shipbuilding industry got the same Government support as the banking industry.
Posted by: Mark fae Partick, Glasgow on 12:01pm Fri 4 Jul 08
Get off the comment boards, get on the doorsteps!
Posted by: hughmuscat, UK on 12:25pm Fri 4 Jul 08
If Scotland gets independence do we not get some of the existing British Navy, Airforce etc? Partly ours. Wonder how they will try and divvy that up!
Posted by: hughmuscat, UK on 12:26pm Fri 4 Jul 08
Come to think of it, some of the nukes will be ours as well. Handy to aheva few in the back pocket just in case!!
Posted by: britfree, camelon on 2:35pm Fri 4 Jul 08
pro-rata my dear neebours pro-rata , horsetrading with the brits ? dont just count the horses teeth , coont yir ain an aw , bliddy theives 'll steal onything
Posted by: Buckpool Loon, Cheshire on 2:51pm Fri 4 Jul 08
Hughmuskat; don't expect any nukes, they're are all rented from the USA.

Britian has no independent nuclear deterrent, which is precisely the reason why our troops are in Iraq as a quid pro quo with the USA for their rent-a-nuke known as Trident.

Just another of Westminster's version of a Union dividend.
Posted by: hughmuscat, UK on 4:36pm Fri 4 Jul 08
Buck,

I think your info must be wrong. We do own our own nukes and have done so for years.
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