Oil crisis is now worse than in the 1970s, says Brown
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| OIL TALKS: Gordon Brown in Saudi Arabia yesterday to discuss oil prices. |
Gordon Brown held out the prospect of a fall in oil prices after a trip to Saudi Arabia where he called for a "new deal" to promote clean energy and end the conflict of interest between oil producers and oil consumers.
The Prime Minister said last night the current crisis was worse than the one in the 1970s and called for a "more balanced energy market".
He urged oil-rich states to use some of the $3 trillion of extra income from the current hike in prices to invest in Britain's £100bn "green programme" - the building of more wind farms and nuclear power stations to help the UK meet its share of an EU target to generate 20% of energy from renewables by 2020.
However, as Mr Brown was addressing ministers from the 35 major oil-producing and consuming economies, his political opponents were rubbishing any idea his mission would lead to a quick fall in petrol prices at the pump.
Alan Duncan, Shadow Business Secretary and a former oil trader himself, said it was "total fantasy" for the PM to imagine there was much Opec, the oil producers' cartel, could do about rising oil prices. "The idea that Opec can just go like that and flood the market with oil and bring the price down just shows that Gordon Brown does not understand global markets," said Mr Duncan.
Vince Cable for the Liberal Democrats made a similar point, saying the PM's trip was "either empty-gesture politics or an act of self-delusion" while his leader Nick Clegg insisted: "It's slightly humiliating to see the Prime Minister fly off at taxpayers' expense to Jeddah to announce some gimmick where he hopes Opec will fund wind farms in the UK.
"He's living in cloud cuckoo land if he thinks that's a sustainable solution to the crisis."
Saudi Arabia, the world's largest oil exporter, has been under intense pressure from the US and other oil consumers to increase its crude output to help slow the soaring price of oil.
The kingdom has already announced modest increases and said it would pump 9.7 million barrels a day beginning in July. But those increases have not done much to stem the skyrocketing price of oil, which closed near $135 a barrel on Friday.
King Abdullah said Saudi Arabia was not to blame for soaring oil prices and instead pointed his finger at speculators, high fuel taxes in consuming countries and increased oil consumption in developing economies.
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Posted by: george alexander, north lanarkshire on 11:17pm Sun 22 Jun 08
[bold]Oil crisis is now worse than in the 1970s, says Brown[/bold]
He'd better believe it, Scots are now aware of the wealth that remains under the North Sea..........we don't have to wait another 30 years to find out.
Oil crisis is now worse than in the 1970s, says Brown
He'd better believe it, Scots are now aware of the wealth that remains under the North Sea..........we don't have to wait another 30 years to find out.
Posted by: wisnaeme, wisnae there on 11:26pm Sun 22 Jun 08
[bold]Mr Brown is asking other oil producing countries for help in inproving the situation.[/bold]
Uh huh.
..and what about his own country? Or is that also beyond his control.
.
Mr Brown is asking other oil producing countries for help in inproving the situation.
Uh huh.
..and what about his own country? Or is that also beyond his control.
.
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 11:39pm Sun 22 Jun 08
He's got a bloody cheek, the huge hike in price that we've seen at petrol pumps has been mainly due to his own fuel duty.
The sooner he takes onboard the SNP's proposal of a fuel regulator the better we'll all be.
He's got a bloody cheek, the huge hike in price that we've seen at petrol pumps has been mainly due to his own fuel duty.
The sooner he takes onboard the SNP's proposal of a fuel regulator the better we'll all be.
Posted by: frank mcbride, lusitania on 11:43pm Sun 22 Jun 08
Before going to KSA, Mr. Brown should have had word wit the OIL SPECULATORS attached to Westmister; in the Commons, Lords and as Party donors.
He should then have had a word with "our closest ally" and its fellow travellers.
Lastly, he should have had a reappraisal of his fuel taxation.
Unfortunately, Mr. Brown is so wedded to Tory free-market ideas that the notion of curbing greed is alien to him.
I wonder if he will vote for the £40 000/yr raise - pensionable, for MPs.
Before going to KSA, Mr. Brown should have had word wit the OIL SPECULATORS attached to Westmister; in the Commons, Lords and as Party donors.
He should then have had a word with "our closest ally" and its fellow travellers.
Lastly, he should have had a reappraisal of his fuel taxation.
Unfortunately, Mr. Brown is so wedded to Tory free-market ideas that the notion of curbing greed is alien to him.
I wonder if he will vote for the £40 000/yr raise - pensionable, for MPs.
Posted by: Steve A, Glasgow on 11:53pm Sun 22 Jun 08
[quote][bold]Wardog[/bold] wrote:
He's got a bloody cheek, the huge hike in price that we've seen at petrol pumps has been mainly due to his own fuel duty. The sooner he takes onboard the SNP's proposal of a fuel regulator the better we'll all be. [/quote] Wardog
You know he wont budge as he treats Scotland in the same way Mugabe treats the MDC ! What was it he said again "I will do anything to stop Scottish independence"!Now who does that kind of talk remind us of?
Wardog wrote:
He's got a bloody cheek, the huge hike in price that we've seen at petrol pumps has been mainly due to his own fuel duty. The sooner he takes onboard the SNP's proposal of a fuel regulator the better we'll all be.
Wardog
You know he wont budge as he treats Scotland in the same way Mugabe treats the MDC ! What was it he said again "I will do anything to stop Scottish independence"!Now who does that kind of talk remind us of?
Posted by: Traquir, Alba on 12:08am Mon 23 Jun 08
Oil Crisis - bad for some, good for others.
Especially good for any country that is
lucky enough to be sitting on upwards
of 60 billion barrels of the stuff with predictions
of it lasting at least 50 to 100 years.
"North Sea oil 'will last for another half century'"
see - tinyurl.com/6ml3np and in fact
"'North Sea oil will last for 100 years'"
see tinyurl.com/54wl8e
Perhaps the Scottish newspapers could do a story
on this and how Scotland could actually benefit from
an oil crisis which leads to ever increasing prices.
Saor Alba
Oil Crisis - bad for some, good for others.
Especially good for any country that is
lucky enough to be sitting on upwards
of 60 billion barrels of the stuff with predictions
of it lasting at least 50 to 100 years.
"North Sea oil 'will last for another half century'"
see - tinyurl.com/6ml3np and in fact
"'North Sea oil will last for 100 years'"
see tinyurl.com/54wl8e
Perhaps the Scottish newspapers could do a story
on this and how Scotland could actually benefit from
an oil crisis which leads to ever increasing prices.
Saor Alba
Posted by: Tired of excuses, Galashiels on 12:09am Mon 23 Jun 08
Gulf War, Iraq , Kuwait , Saudi arms deals, and still the British Prime minister has to go and literally beg for more oil ?
Is this a failure of foreign policy from the Labour Party ? Or is it a failure of Economic policy from the labour party or is it just total failure from the Labour party ?
Gulf War, Iraq , Kuwait , Saudi arms deals, and still the British Prime minister has to go and literally beg for more oil ?
Is this a failure of foreign policy from the Labour Party ? Or is it a failure of Economic policy from the labour party or is it just total failure from the Labour party ?
Posted by: Traquir, Alba on 12:32am Mon 23 Jun 08
On a separate topic which The Scottish papers appear
to have missed, it would appear that SNP secret
agent Foulkes is at it again :
"Caribbean, Scotland exploring deeper foreign ties"
see - tinyurl.com/67rw5v
Key quotes are :
"Caribbean high commissioners visit the Scottish Parliament"
"This initiative came in response to an invitation extended by Lord George Foulkes"
"The Scottish Parliament has an outward-looking policy that supports Scottish business seeking to trade abroad, seeks to attract foreign investment and defends its interest in Brussels"
"it has established integrated programmes that promote Scotland internationally as a destination for tourism and the site of world-class cultural events"
"ministerial visits linked to investment and an opportunity to identify where the Scottish model, a significant modern advance on that of the United Kingdom as a whole"
Well thank you yet again Lord Foulkes for showing
what a great job the Scottish Government is
doing, and again of course they are doing
it deliberately. My suspicion at this point
is that Lord Foulkes has seen the writing
on the wall and knows that independence is
inevitable so he is now angling for
the position of Scottish Ambassador to
Caribbean. Given his efforts to date
on behalf of Scotland gaining independence
he probably deserves it :)
Saor Alba
On a separate topic which The Scottish papers appear
to have missed, it would appear that SNP secret
agent Foulkes is at it again :
"Caribbean, Scotland exploring deeper foreign ties"
see - tinyurl.com/67rw5v
Key quotes are :
"Caribbean high commissioners visit the Scottish Parliament"
"This initiative came in response to an invitation extended by Lord George Foulkes"
"The Scottish Parliament has an outward-looking policy that supports Scottish business seeking to trade abroad, seeks to attract foreign investment and defends its interest in Brussels"
"it has established integrated programmes that promote Scotland internationally as a destination for tourism and the site of world-class cultural events"
"ministerial visits linked to investment and an opportunity to identify where the Scottish model, a significant modern advance on that of the United Kingdom as a whole"
Well thank you yet again Lord Foulkes for showing
what a great job the Scottish Government is
doing, and again of course they are doing
it deliberately. My suspicion at this point
is that Lord Foulkes has seen the writing
on the wall and knows that independence is
inevitable so he is now angling for
the position of Scottish Ambassador to
Caribbean. Given his efforts to date
on behalf of Scotland gaining independence
he probably deserves it :)
Saor Alba
Posted by: Traquir, Alba on 1:03am Mon 23 Jun 08
"Oil crisis is now worse than in the 1970s, says Brown"
Yep a much bigger crisis for Britain since
it was easy back in the 1970's
to deceive, steal and squander Scotlands' oil resources.
The treachery that was the McCrone report
(see - tinyurl.com/4cluho ) was used to address the
crisis du jour in the 1970's namely that Britain
was about to go completely bankrupt.
Key quotes from McCrone are :
"Britain is now counting so heavily on North Sea oil to
redress its balance of payments that it is easy to imagine
England in dire straits without it."
Why should Scotland bail out England yet again as
we have done for the last 30 years. The next 50-100 years
of oil revenues should go to Scotland's needs
first and foremost rather than being squandered
on illegal wars, trident, "investing" in the
South East etc. Interestingly before any
Unionists complain about the use of England here they
will notice should they care to read the McCrone
report that the terms England and Britain are
used pretty interchangeably.
"transfer of North Sea oil to Scottish ownership would
occasion much bitterness in England if
not an attempt to forcibly prevent it."
I wonder what this meant - Tanks in George Square
again perhaps ?
"for the first time since the Act of Union was passed, it can now
be credibly argued that Scotland’s economic advantage lies in its repeal."
The difference this time is that the Scottish people will
be aware that it can credibly argued that Scotland’s economic advantage lies in the repeal of the Union, unlike the 1970's
when it was known to be creditable but Scotland was never
given the information to make an informed decision. Instead
piles of misinformation were spewed out from Westminster telling Scots that it would be madness to become
independent.
Information is much more freely available via many sources, unfortunately not the Scottish press although their comment sections
are quite informative :) As Scots gain more information
we will be able to make informed decisions about
our future rather than the slanted playing field
that Unionist have painstakingly constructed
for the last several decades to
ensure that we don't have ALL of the information.
Saor Alba
"Oil crisis is now worse than in the 1970s, says Brown"
Yep a much bigger crisis for Britain since
it was easy back in the 1970's
to deceive, steal and squander Scotlands' oil resources.
The treachery that was the McCrone report
(see - tinyurl.com/4cluho ) was used to address the
crisis du jour in the 1970's namely that Britain
was about to go completely bankrupt.
Key quotes from McCrone are :
"Britain is now counting so heavily on North Sea oil to
redress its balance of payments that it is easy to imagine
England in dire straits without it."
Why should Scotland bail out England yet again as
we have done for the last 30 years. The next 50-100 years
of oil revenues should go to Scotland's needs
first and foremost rather than being squandered
on illegal wars, trident, "investing" in the
South East etc. Interestingly before any
Unionists complain about the use of England here they
will notice should they care to read the McCrone
report that the terms England and Britain are
used pretty interchangeably.
"transfer of North Sea oil to Scottish ownership would
occasion much bitterness in England if
not an attempt to forcibly prevent it."
I wonder what this meant - Tanks in George Square
again perhaps ?
"for the first time since the Act of Union was passed, it can now
be credibly argued that Scotland’s economic advantage lies in its repeal."
The difference this time is that the Scottish people will
be aware that it can credibly argued that Scotland’s economic advantage lies in the repeal of the Union, unlike the 1970's
when it was known to be creditable but Scotland was never
given the information to make an informed decision. Instead
piles of misinformation were spewed out from Westminster telling Scots that it would be madness to become
independent.
Information is much more freely available via many sources, unfortunately not the Scottish press although their comment sections
are quite informative :) As Scots gain more information
we will be able to make informed decisions about
our future rather than the slanted playing field
that Unionist have painstakingly constructed
for the last several decades to
ensure that we don't have ALL of the information.
Saor Alba
Posted by: Alkie, NYC on 1:36am Mon 23 Jun 08
Force alcohol companies to sell their product as fuel for cars instead of fuel for the destruction of Scottish society, family, and individual.
Force alcohol companies to sell their product as fuel for cars instead of fuel for the destruction of Scottish society, family, and individual.
Posted by: David Beattie, Perthy on 6:27am Mon 23 Jun 08
Good old Alkie - never misses a trick!!!
Good old Alkie - never misses a trick!!!
Posted by: juankerr, Scotland on 8:07am Mon 23 Jun 08
[quote][bold]Alkie[/bold] wrote:
Force alcohol companies to sell their product as fuel for cars instead of fuel for the destruction of Scottish society, family, and individual.[/quote] Man do you not get board trying to factor alchohol into everything you say?
I understand your tragedy but for the sake of your self move on.
Alkie wrote:
Force alcohol companies to sell their product as fuel for cars instead of fuel for the destruction of Scottish society, family, and individual.
Man do you not get board trying to factor alchohol into everything you say?
I understand your tragedy but for the sake of your self move on.
Posted by: Marian on 9:05am Mon 23 Jun 08
The foreign media is reporting that Gordon Brown's begging bowl requests were rejected out of hand by OPEC so why is are they still being given credence in the UK media?
The foreign media is reporting that Gordon Brown's begging bowl requests were rejected out of hand by OPEC so why is are they still being given credence in the UK media?
Posted by: Politically-incorrec
t Man, Glasgow on 9:07am Mon 23 Jun 08
[quote]Traquir, Alba on 1:03am today[/quote]
Don’t get me wrong as I support you 100% but the facts that you present in support of an independent Scotland are exactly the reasons why England cannot afford to change the status quo; it will never happen.
England will never give up the de facto right to control the revenue from the Scotland’s oil as the country would be bankrupt.
It will NEVER happen other than by the use of force; do you believe that the majority of Scots would raise arms to fight for an independent Scotland?
Traquir, Alba on 1:03am today
Don’t get me wrong as I support you 100% but the facts that you present in support of an independent Scotland are exactly the reasons why England cannot afford to change the status quo; it will never happen.
England will never give up the de facto right to control the revenue from the Scotland’s oil as the country would be bankrupt.
It will NEVER happen other than by the use of force; do you believe that the majority of Scots would raise arms to fight for an independent Scotland?
Posted by: frank mcbride, lusitania on 9:24am Mon 23 Jun 08
# Politically.........
....
Are you implying that the Westminster Govt. is Democratic, in the same way a Zimbabwe? Or are you just an agitator???
# Politically.........
....
Are you implying that the Westminster Govt. is Democratic, in the same way a Zimbabwe? Or are you just an agitator???
Posted by: sam, greenock on 9:36am Mon 23 Jun 08
[quote][bold]David Beattie[/bold] wrote:
Good old Alkie - never misses a trick!!![/quote] Good old Alkie - naebuddie will miss the pr!ck
David Beattie wrote:
Good old Alkie - never misses a trick!!!
Good old Alkie - naebuddie will miss the pr!ck
Posted by: GML, right here on 9:40am Mon 23 Jun 08
Politcally-incorrect man
Calm down. If you take a read at the Telegraph or the Mail you will see they are still being told that Scotland is a feckless, sponging, broke country which is subsidised by England. Most of the website posters on these newpaper sites cannot wait to get rid of Scotland and have an English parliament. The London government cannot really come out against that nonsense because they want to keep telling Scotland that it is broke and unable to fend for itself ([italic]despite the awkward and incoveneient examples of Ireland, Slovakia, Estonia, Slovenia and every other small member of the EU that, er, doesn't have an enormous oil windfall[/italic] ) .
Meanwhile, the London government are funding the UK fiscal deficit at reduced rates of interest by telling the lenders how much oil revenue they are going to receive over the next thirty years. ([italic]That is Tony Benn I am quoting there, Labour supporters[/italic] )
Politcally-incorrect man
Calm down. If you take a read at the Telegraph or the Mail you will see they are still being told that Scotland is a feckless, sponging, broke country which is subsidised by England. Most of the website posters on these newpaper sites cannot wait to get rid of Scotland and have an English parliament. The London government cannot really come out against that nonsense because they want to keep telling Scotland that it is broke and unable to fend for itself (
despite the awkward and incoveneient examples of Ireland, Slovakia, Estonia, Slovenia and every other small member of the EU that, er, doesn't have an enormous oil windfall ) .
Meanwhile, the London government are funding the UK fiscal deficit at reduced rates of interest by telling the lenders how much oil revenue they are going to receive over the next thirty years. (
That is Tony Benn I am quoting there, Labour supporters )
Posted by: soloman, Stirling on 9:44am Mon 23 Jun 08
He urged oil-rich states to use some of the $3 trillion of extra income from the current hike in prices to invest in Britain's £100bn "green programme" - the building of more wind farms and nuclear power stations to help the UK meet its share of an EU target to generate 20% of energy from renewables by 2020.
So will Mr Brown be approaching the Iranians for financial support for the New Generation of English Nuclear Power Stations.
Makes you laugh!
He urged oil-rich states to use some of the $3 trillion of extra income from the current hike in prices to invest in Britain's £100bn "green programme" - the building of more wind farms and nuclear power stations to help the UK meet its share of an EU target to generate 20% of energy from renewables by 2020.
So will Mr Brown be approaching the Iranians for financial support for the New Generation of English Nuclear Power Stations.
Makes you laugh!
Posted by: juankerr, Scotland on 9:54am Mon 23 Jun 08
It's worse than the 70's we now know we were lied to as part of policy.
http://www.channel4.
com/news/articles/wo
rld/do%20the%20scots
%20subsidise%20the%2
0english/166260
http://manabouttheho
use.wordpress.com/20
08/05/18/460/
see - tinyurl.com/4zr829 and
Document SOE6-1-1708 PART 7.pdf - page 6
http://bp0.blogger.c
om/_Bq5ZWuXMC54/SDNx
-st5nCI/AAAAAAAAAlk/
4JQgr4w2qOU/s1600-h/
a_alfie.jpg
Hansard 8th March 1989
see - tinyurl.com/478sun
tinyurl.com/6qxu4z
tinyurl.com/6ml3np
tinyurl.com/5d8bjs
tinyurl.com/5rxnxd
tinyurl.com/5jdxb4
tinyurl.com/5bpqhw
tinyurl.com/4utmzd
It's worse than the 70's we now know we were lied to as part of policy.
http://www.channel4.
com/news/articles/wo
rld/do%20the%20scots
%20subsidise%20the%2
0english/166260
http://manabouttheho
use.wordpress.com/20
08/05/18/460/
see - tinyurl.com/4zr829 and
Document SOE6-1-1708 PART 7.pdf - page 6
http://bp0.blogger.c
om/_Bq5ZWuXMC54/SDNx
-st5nCI/AAAAAAAAAlk/
4JQgr4w2qOU/s1600-h/
a_alfie.jpg
Hansard 8th March 1989
see - tinyurl.com/478sun
tinyurl.com/6qxu4z
tinyurl.com/6ml3np
tinyurl.com/5d8bjs
tinyurl.com/5rxnxd
tinyurl.com/5jdxb4
tinyurl.com/5bpqhw
tinyurl.com/4utmzd
Posted by: eider, UK on 9:57am Mon 23 Jun 08
Why hasn't Labour had an energy policy years ago. North sea gas was known to be running down around 2008 for a decade or more. Why haven't we already got replacements in place - nuclear, renewable or what have you? Why is it necessary to be tripping over a problem before politicians realise a problem is there? They're paid enough, why is their performance so poor?
Why hasn't Labour had an energy policy years ago. North sea gas was known to be running down around 2008 for a decade or more. Why haven't we already got replacements in place - nuclear, renewable or what have you? Why is it necessary to be tripping over a problem before politicians realise a problem is there? They're paid enough, why is their performance so poor?
Posted by: soloman, Stirling on 10:01am Mon 23 Jun 08
He urged oil-rich states to use some of the $3 trillion of extra income from the current hike in prices to invest in Britain's £100bn "green programme" - the building of more wind farms and nuclear power stations to help the UK meet its share of an EU target to generate 20% of energy from renewables by 2020.
So is Mr Brown going to ask the people from Persia to help him finance nuclear power stations in England?
He urged oil-rich states to use some of the $3 trillion of extra income from the current hike in prices to invest in Britain's £100bn "green programme" - the building of more wind farms and nuclear power stations to help the UK meet its share of an EU target to generate 20% of energy from renewables by 2020.
So is Mr Brown going to ask the people from Persia to help him finance nuclear power stations in England?
Posted by: Rab Jones, Glasgow on 10:12am Mon 23 Jun 08
There is no crisis.
If you have a diesel engine, you can use chip fat oil. Seriously! It works!
And lets start using battery powered cars.
Keep the oil for planes, boats etc.
Makes sense, and its also an eco friendly idea.
There is no crisis.
If you have a diesel engine, you can use chip fat oil. Seriously! It works!
And lets start using battery powered cars.
Keep the oil for planes, boats etc.
Makes sense, and its also an eco friendly idea.
Posted by: donnelly, dundee on 11:54am Mon 23 Jun 08
As I have stated here before ...it may appear expensive and I hear lots of whining ....but I am still being left in the dust trail of 3litre plus engine beasts while cruising along the M90 at 75mph ...and tailgated by up and coming young Lewis Hamiltons in their flying machines ....so petrol cannot be that expensive yet ? ..well not for sensible and economic drivers ....
...so myself ...I welcome the £2 plus a litre target to encourage better usage.
As I have stated here before ...it may appear expensive and I hear lots of whining ....but I am still being left in the dust trail of 3litre plus engine beasts while cruising along the M90 at 75mph ...and tailgated by up and coming young Lewis Hamiltons in their flying machines ....so petrol cannot be that expensive yet ? ..well not for sensible and economic drivers ....
...so myself ...I welcome the £2 plus a litre target to encourage better usage.
Posted by: Rab Jones, Glasgow on 12:23pm Mon 23 Jun 08
[quote][bold]Alkie[/bold] wrote:
Force alcohol companies to sell their product as fuel for cars instead of fuel for the destruction of Scottish society, family, and individual.[/quote] Alkie,
I preferred your other alter ego, Wullie from Aberdeen.
It was a lot more interesting.
Alkie wrote:
Force alcohol companies to sell their product as fuel for cars instead of fuel for the destruction of Scottish society, family, and individual.
Alkie,
I preferred your other alter ego, Wullie from Aberdeen.
It was a lot more interesting.
Posted by: Davybullet, Bothwell on 12:29pm Mon 23 Jun 08
Good thinking Brown, Get the saudi's to use their windfall wisely.
You might even think about using £1000million of the £5000 million you have in windfall on the Oil price since march to reduce derv by 25p per litre.
Yes folks Mr Brown has enjoyed £5000 million extra since March and one fifth would reduce fuel to a sensible level and this in turn would ease pressure on inflation etc.
Regards
Good thinking Brown, Get the saudi's to use their windfall wisely.
You might even think about using £1000million of the £5000 million you have in windfall on the Oil price since march to reduce derv by 25p per litre.
Yes folks Mr Brown has enjoyed £5000 million extra since March and one fifth would reduce fuel to a sensible level and this in turn would ease pressure on inflation etc.
Regards
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 1:22pm Mon 23 Jun 08
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[quote][bold]Wardog[/bold] wrote:
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Wardog wrote:
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Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 3:35pm Mon 23 Jun 08
[quote][bold]Rab Jones[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Wardog[/bold] wrote:
A web poll using the question from the Scottish Government's White Paper, Choosing Scotland's Future. Vote Now [bold] scottishreferendum20 08.blogspot.com[/bold] [/quote] yawwwwn!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!![/quote] A poll using the exact question proposed in the Scottish Government's White Paper, "Choosing Scotland's Future."
[bold]VOTE NOW[/bold]
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Rab Jones wrote:
Wardog wrote:
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yawwwwn!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!
A poll using the exact question proposed in the Scottish Government's White Paper, "Choosing Scotland's Future."
VOTE NOW
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Posted by: Rab Jones, Glasgow on 3:40pm Mon 23 Jun 08
[quote][bold]Wardog[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Rab Jones[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Wardog[/bold] wrote: A web poll using the question from the Scottish Government's White Paper, Choosing Scotland's Future. Vote Now [bold] scottishreferendum20 08.blogspot.com[/bold] [/quote] yawwwwn!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!![/quote] A poll using the exact question proposed in the Scottish Government's White Paper, "Choosing Scotland's Future." [bold]VOTE NOW[/bold] scottishreferendum20 08.blogspot.com[/quote] yaaaaaaawwwwwwwn!!!!
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Wardog wrote:
Rab Jones wrote: Wardog wrote: A web poll using the question from the Scottish Government's White Paper, Choosing Scotland's Future. Vote Now scottishreferendum20 08.blogspot.com
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yaaaaaaawwwwwwwn!!!!
!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 3:49pm Mon 23 Jun 08
[quote][bold]Rab Jones[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Wardog[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Rab Jones[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Wardog[/bold] wrote: A web poll using the question from the Scottish Government's White Paper, Choosing Scotland's Future. Vote Now [bold] scottishreferendum20 08.blogspot.com[/bold] [/quote] yawwwwn!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!![/quote] A poll using the exact question proposed in the Scottish Government's White Paper, "Choosing Scotland's Future." [bold]VOTE NOW[/bold] scottishreferendum20 08.blogspot.com[/quote] yaaaaaaawwwwwwwn!!!!
!!!!!!!![/quote]
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Starting to sound as repetitive as you rab..... it must be catching
Rab Jones wrote:
Wardog wrote:
Rab Jones wrote: Wardog wrote: A web poll using the question from the Scottish Government's White Paper, Choosing Scotland's Future. Vote Now scottishreferendum20 08.blogspot.com
yawwwwn!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!
A poll using the exact question proposed in the Scottish Government's White Paper, "Choosing Scotland's Future." VOTE NOW scottishreferendum20 08.blogspot.com
yaaaaaaawwwwwwwn!!!!
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Starting to sound as repetitive as you rab..... it must be catching
Posted by: juankerr, Scotland on 3:51pm Mon 23 Jun 08
the only way to deal with ott moderation is to report all posts as they allways offend at least one person and it is in the interests of balance?
wood for trees folks
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the only way to deal with ott moderation is to report all posts as they allways offend at least one person and it is in the interests of balance?
wood for trees folks
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Posted by: juankerr, Scotland on 3:51pm Mon 23 Jun 08
[bold]sorry that is meant for hootsmon! a despicable comic![/bold]
sorry that is meant for hootsmon! a despicable comic! Posted by: pony, vancouver island canada on 4:40pm Mon 23 Jun 08
take gordon brown to a pub give him a couple of pints,then ask him to step outside and fight.
an election
take gordon brown to a pub give him a couple of pints,then ask him to step outside and fight.
an election
Posted by: pony, vancouver island canada on 4:44pm Mon 23 Jun 08
take gordon brown to a pub buy him a couple of pints,then ask him outside to fight.an election
take gordon brown to a pub buy him a couple of pints,then ask him outside to fight.an election
Posted by: pony, vancouver island canada on 4:50pm Mon 23 Jun 08
take gordon brown to a pub buy him a couple of pints,then ask him outside to fight.an election
take gordon brown to a pub buy him a couple of pints,then ask him outside to fight.an election
Posted by: Politically-incorrec
t Man, Glasgow on 6:27pm Mon 23 Jun 08
[quote][bold]frank mcbride[/bold] wrote:
# Politically.........
....
Are you implying that the Westminster Govt. is Democratic, in the same way a Zimbabwe? Or are you just an agitator???[/quote] You don't honestly think we live in a democracy, do you?
What is democractic about the 2 wars we are currently involved in?
What is democratic about a sum 8 times the annual budget for Scotland being given to Northern Rock to bail it out?
What is democratic about Trident?
Shall I continue?
Bilderberg runs this place!!!
I ain't no agitator just a realist!
frank mcbride wrote:
# Politically.........
....
Are you implying that the Westminster Govt. is Democratic, in the same way a Zimbabwe? Or are you just an agitator???
You don't honestly think we live in a democracy, do you?
What is democractic about the 2 wars we are currently involved in?
What is democratic about a sum 8 times the annual budget for Scotland being given to Northern Rock to bail it out?
What is democratic about Trident?
Shall I continue?
Bilderberg runs this place!!!
I ain't no agitator just a realist!
Posted by: R Allan, West Lothian on 8:47pm Mon 23 Jun 08
yep, it's worse for Labour than the 70s - this time we won't be fooled again.
yep, it's worse for Labour than the 70s - this time we won't be fooled again.
Posted by: Hammer Hannaway, glasgow on 10:09pm Mon 23 Jun 08
Sorry Gordon
If I was a Saudi I would listen to your request for increased production politely - but I would be quite happy to leave all that extra oil in the ground
Money in the bank
Money in a secure bank
Much better than money in most of your blue chip banks
Sorry Gordon
If I was a Saudi I would listen to your request for increased production politely - but I would be quite happy to leave all that extra oil in the ground
Money in the bank
Money in a secure bank
Much better than money in most of your blue chip banks
Posted by: nostress, grangemouth on 10:35pm Mon 23 Jun 08
Gordy, Gordy, forgawdsake man get a grip - you're looking as rough as one of they English Navy boys you're so fond of after three days shore leave. You'll need to start getting one of they touch-up artists methinks!
Gordy, Gordy, forgawdsake man get a grip - you're looking as rough as one of they English Navy boys you're so fond of after three days shore leave. You'll need to start getting one of they touch-up artists methinks!
Posted by: itoffshore, Gibraltar on 11:43pm Mon 23 Jun 08
Now that most people are on the internet it is time to lookup the alternative resources to Oil that have been available for the last 100 years.
Cars can run on water :
http://www.waterfuel
cell.org/
& you can even buy kits :
http://www.water-fue
l-online.com/
Salt Water bombarded with radio waves also ignites
watch the videos :
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=Tf4gOS8ao
Fk
Tesla was running his car on Radiant Energy in the 30's
http://peswiki.com/i
ndex.php/Tesla's_Pie
rce-Arrow
The first water powered car ran in 1805 - yes 1805
http://www.waterpowe
redcar.com/inventors
.html
Time to stop moaning & start educating people.
Now that most people are on the internet it is time to lookup the alternative resources to Oil that have been available for the last 100 years.
Cars can run on water :
http://www.waterfuel
cell.org/
& you can even buy kits :
http://www.water-fue
l-online.com/
Salt Water bombarded with radio waves also ignites
watch the videos :
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=Tf4gOS8ao
Fk
Tesla was running his car on Radiant Energy in the 30's
http://peswiki.com/i
ndex.php/Tesla's_Pie
rce-Arrow
The first water powered car ran in 1805 - yes 1805
http://www.waterpowe
redcar.com/inventors
.html
Time to stop moaning & start educating people.
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