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Cameron: Barnett formula’s days are numbered
MICHAEL SETTLEMay 23 2008

David Cameron today drops his biggest hint that a future Conservative government would scrap the 30-year-old Barnett Formula.

In an exclusive interview with The Herald ahead of today's Scottish Conservative conference in Ayr, the party leader makes clear the spending formula's days would be numbered under his leadership but is cautious about playing up to a "sense of English grievance" or doing anything to damage the United Kingdom.

The Tory leader was speaking of his aims as his party looked poised to continue its victory roll with a dramatic win in the Crewe and Nantwich by-election.

Asked if it was time to get rid of the formula, Mr Cameron says: "This cannot last forever, the time is approaching ... If we replace the Barnett Formula with a needs-based formula, Scotland has very great needs and Scotland will get very great resources."

Asked if, therefore, the formula is coming to the end of the road, he replies: "Yes, that's right. I want this to happen in a consensual, sensible, non-inflammatory way and that's why I've been so reticent about it."

Thus far, the UK Government and Conservative Opposition have treaded carefully around the formula - which governs the distribution of additional public expenditure to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland - as it is a highly-volatile political subject. However, cross-party feeling is growing at Westminster and beyond that the funding scheme has to be replaced with a modern, fairer version.

The Tories have already called for a UK-wide needs-based assessment but the Treasury, which insists it has no plans to change the formula, will sometime this year publish an explanatory note setting out its mechanics - some regard this as paving the way for its eventual replacement with a system based more on need.

In the interview, Mr Cameron says Labour "completely screwed up on the Union with Bendy Wendy all over the place", referring to the row over the Scottish Labour leader's call for an early independence referendum. He suggests this has given the Scottish Conservatives an opportunity to be the beneficiaries of the Unionist vote in Scotland.

But the Tory leader notes: "If we succeed, we will help the Union succeed, if we fail - and in the past in Scotland we have failed - we let down the Union.

"There is a real link between making sure we are offering people a modern, successful centre-right party, putting forward progressive ideas about the future of our country, and the strength of the United Kingdom."

While Mr Cameron acknowledges Alex Salmond's "brilliance as a politician", he warns the First Minister against thinking that a Tory government in London would be a godsend to the SNP's goal of Scottish independence.

"If Alex Salmond thinks there's some clever game he can play about building on Scottish resentment against a Conservative government in England to help break up the Union, forget it. I will do everything I can to stop that from happening." He insists that because most Scots want to preserve the Union, Mr Salmond is ultimately on a "losing ticket".

Mr Cameron says he will not give in to those who argue that the Conservatives should jettison Scotland. "I don't want to be the Prime Minister of England, I want to be the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. There's a very strong sense in the Conservative party that the United Kingdom is bigger than all of us."

As the votes were being counted in Crewe and Nantwich by-election last night, there were suggestions that the Tories will seek to capitalise on their expected win with a poll as early as next month in Henley, the Oxfordshire seat of MP Boris Johnson, the new Conservative London Mayor.

They will hope to build on the momentum set by his victory and the party's gains in the English and Welsh local elections.


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Posted by: Edward, Edinburgh on 2:19am Fri 23 May 08
From the Times on May 18th 'the price of oil has more than doubled since 2005 to $120 (£61) a barrel, leading economists to conclude that Scotland “is sitting on a gold' and went on to state that Scotland would have a surplus of £ 4 billion
Today the price of oil is $ 135 a barrel!
Scotland really need to waken up and realise that they just dont need England (they never have actually) but at this rate it could probably do well outside the EU, its just that good for Scotland
Even if oil prices settle, they will never go below $ 110 a barrel
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 2:27am Fri 23 May 08
Cameron is gonae cut oor poakit money? Bring It On!
Posted by: george alexander, north lanarkshire on 2:33am Fri 23 May 08
Why, why, why in the name of God are we not allowed to post comments on political stories about Wendy Alexander's speech impediment.
Posted by: Traquir, Alba on 2:38am Fri 23 May 08
" Scotland has very great needs and Scotland will get very great resources."

Well Scotland already has " very great resources", the only
problem is they have been stolen and pillaged for decades.

I posted the following earlier and it is worth repeating now
that The Herald has decided to hide the article
on "Oil hits record $135 a barrel". Incidentally
the article is still open for comments albeit
it hidden in the Herald Unionist catacombs
see tinyurl.com/3ectak

------
And when is Scotland going to get our "promised" Oil Fund ?
We don't have to wait until independence to establish it. It would
be nice to see the whole Scottish Parliament unite in
Scotland's best interests to collectively demand the
previously promised establishment of an oil fund.

Norway Oil Fund - Current ~$400,000,000,000.
Projected(2010) ~$640,000,000,000.
Scotland Oil Fund - Current $0
Projected(2010) $0

In the 1970's Labour had a manifesto promise to establish an Oil Fund.

1978 James Callaghan when responding to a request by the SNP's
Margaret Ewing (nee Bain) to fulfill their promise to establish an
Oil Fund.

"I hope that the hon. Lady will read the White Paper objectively and apply her mind to whether it would be possible to set up an oil fund that would be meaningful. It would be wrong to deceive the Scottish electors into believing that it would be possible to do this."

http://tiny.cc/h4B3h



To refer to the SNP's push to establish an Oil Fund as something
that would "deceive the Scottish electors" just shows the depth of
treachery that has been inflicted on the Scottish Nation,
especially given that the same Labour Government
sat on the McCrone report which
was one of the most despicable acts of deceptions inflicted on the
Scottish Nation.

Scotland has been used and abused for way too long, we
need full control over our own resources at the earliest
possible opportunity.

Saor Alba
Posted by: Kadok, West End on 2:44am Fri 23 May 08
"Scotland has very great needs and Scotland will get very great resources."

This statement by Cameron just sums up perfectly what is wrong with the Union. The problem is that supporters of the Union will see nothing wrong with this.

Please Unionists. Tell me why this statement is so demeaning for Scotland.

Please
Posted by: aapeacock, Falirk on 2:49am Fri 23 May 08

Now with the DEATH of the Liebor Party can the Best Three Police Chiefs ALL OF WHOM ARE NOW in a contest to preserve their jobs

Investigate Polical THEFT
Posted by: Joe Miles, Greenock on 2:54am Fri 23 May 08
Liebor Party stuffed in Engerland. I can't wait to get rid of them for good up hear.

I won't be long Fr. Cairns and Dunkin Donut McNeil.
Posted by: Kadok, West End on 2:54am Fri 23 May 08
A consensus appears to be emerging that Scotland should have greater fiscal autonomy and Mr Cameron hints that he could live with that.


This is from the Herald editorial. What consensus? Is that the consensus of the Calman Commission? I don't have a clue what they are proposing. Are we supposed to be happy that Cameron hints that Scotland might be given a wee bit more fiscal responsibility?

This is just humiliating. Why can't the Herald at least put a cogent argument for full fiscal automony? What on earth is this paper's position?

The growing consensus is for independence and I'm sure the more we are patronised and humiliated the stronger the 'consensus' will become.
Posted by: Alex Porter, Madrid on 3:03am Fri 23 May 08
Just saw the very able critique of Douglas Fraser getting deleted! There's no doubt that Douglas is affable but he is also a lap-dog, end of.

Come on Herald, where is the story about the PFI wasted billions? Das Herald Sturmer at again eh?
Posted by: Joe Miles on 3:43am Fri 23 May 08
Posted by: george alexander, north lanarkshire on 2:44am today
Douglas Fraser has sought to excuse the comments blackout employed by the Herald on Scottish matters. His explanation frankly insults the intelligence (blaming abusive posts), he also has another go at the SNP's SFT policy whilst turning a blind eye to PFUI scandals. Here is the response to his latest blog: Well Douglas, you didn't disappoint. I am one of your biggest online critics and I believe the evidence supports my view that you are partisan. I suggested that you would try to excuse the comments blackout and you have. You have completely ignored the fact that the blackout was exclusively on Scottish political issues............go figure. You and your paper have refused to acknowledge the PFI scandal revealed by The Sunday Herald WHY ?. Where is the front page headline acknowledging Scotland is in surplus to the tune of billions? You seem to believe that the SNP would be "picking a fight with Westminster" if they highlighted powers that they would wish to have. How then will you be describing the Calman Commission when they finish compiling their list? We know that you won't use the same pejorative language Douglas.......becaus e you are partisan. As for the abusive posts, I challenge you to name the posters responsible......... come on NAME THEM !!!
Douglas Fraser has sought to excuse the comments blackout employed by the Herald on Scottish matters. His explanation frankly insults the intelligence (blaming abusive posts), he also has another go at the SNP's SFT policy whilst turning a blind eye to PFUI scandals.

Here is the response to his latest blog:

Well Douglas, you didn't disappoint. I am one of your biggest online critics and I believe the evidence supports my view that you are partisan.

I suggested that you would try to excuse the comments blackout and you have. You have completely ignored the fact that the blackout was exclusively on Scottish political issues............go figure.

You and your paper have refused to acknowledge the PFI scandal revealed by The Sunday Herald WHY ?. Where is the front page headline acknowledging Scotland is in surplus to the tune of billions?

You seem to believe that the SNP would be "picking a fight with Westminster" if they highlighted powers that they would wish to have. How then will you be describing the Calman Commission when they finish compiling their list? We know that you won't use the same pejorative language Douglas.......becaus


e you are partisan.

As for the abusive posts, I challenge you to name the posters responsible.........


come on NAME THEM !!!
Posted by: Joe Miles on 3:44am Fri 23 May 08
Posted by: george alexander, north lanarkshire on 2:44am today

Douglas Fraser has sought to excuse the comments blackout employed by the Herald on Scottish matters. His explanation frankly insults the intelligence (blaming abusive posts), he also has another go at the SNP's SFT policy whilst turning a blind eye to PFUI scandals. Here is the response to his latest blog: Well Douglas, you didn't disappoint. I am one of your biggest online critics and I believe the evidence supports my view that you are partisan. I suggested that you would try to excuse the comments blackout and you have. You have completely ignored the fact that the blackout was exclusively on Scottish political issues............go figure. You and your paper have refused to acknowledge the PFI scandal revealed by The Sunday Herald WHY ?. Where is the front page headline acknowledging Scotland is in surplus to the tune of billions? You seem to believe that the SNP would be "picking a fight with Westminster" if they highlighted powers that they would wish to have. How then will you be describing the Calman Commission when they finish compiling their list? We know that you won't use the same pejorative language Douglas.......becaus e you are partisan. As for the abusive posts, I challenge you to name the posters responsible......... come on NAME THEM !!!
Douglas Fraser has sought to excuse the comments blackout employed by the Herald on Scottish matters. His explanation frankly insults the intelligence (blaming abusive posts), he also has another go at the SNP's SFT policy whilst turning a blind eye to PFUI scandals.

Here is the response to his latest blog:

Well Douglas, you didn't disappoint. I am one of your biggest online critics and I believe the evidence supports my view that you are partisan.

I suggested that you would try to excuse the comments blackout and you have. You have completely ignored the fact that the blackout was exclusively on Scottish political issues............go figure.

You and your paper have refused to acknowledge the PFI scandal revealed by The Sunday Herald WHY ?. Where is the front page headline acknowledging Scotland is in surplus to the tune of billions?

You seem to believe that the SNP would be "picking a fight with Westminster" if they highlighted powers that they would wish to have. How then will you be describing the Calman Commission when they finish compiling their list? We know that you won't use the same pejorative language Douglas.......becaus


e you are partisan.

As for the abusive posts, I challenge you to name the posters responsible.........


come on NAME THEM !!!
Posted by: Brizerwatt, Singapore on 4:18am Fri 23 May 08
"I don't want to be the Prime Minister of England, I want to be the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. There's a very strong sense in the Conservative party that the United Kingdom is bigger than all of us."

It doesnt take a genius to see that any Prime Minister of England without access to the mineral wealth of Scotland and with an all but destroyed manufacturing base would be handed a poisoned chalice.
Posted by: scotland only 8% of UK, consumes 11% of social security on 5:07am Fri 23 May 08
Scottish Jig!
Posted by: Macuistean, Isle of Tiree on 5:17am Fri 23 May 08
One of these days this rag will realise that no matter how they stifle comments the truth will come out. The internet is a media that passes information and comments and "news papers" like this one and The Scotsman with their biased views will soon be only seen in a museum. When are we going to be given all the facts and both sides of the argument?
Posted by: wxalexander, canada on 5:34am Fri 23 May 08
If Scotland has very great needs what was the Conservative Party doing about it under Thatcher. Poll tax anyone. This guy Cameron is even greasier than the others. I feel a growing sense of panic in Westminster from all parties except the SNP that the Scots may leave and take their oil with them. Better hurry though, it's declining at 8% per year. Without the oil income Britain is financially finished by 2012, just in time for the Scottish charity sponsored London Olympics. I wonder what the attendance will be with oil in 2012 forecast to be $225 per barrel or even higher. Terminal 5 at Heathrow empty perhaps?
Have a nice day!!!
Posted by: Douglas Walker, Glasgow on 7:40am Fri 23 May 08
By the look of things, the Conservatives are very likely to be re-elected at the next election. It's very doubtful that they will be so resurgent in Scotland - our short term memory isn't that bad.
If this happens then - there goes the union.
Posted by: JABRE, FEARN on 7:53am Fri 23 May 08
Douglas Fraser--Hang your head in shame!!! you obviously don't believe in democracy and free opportunity to respond to political propoganda.
Posted by: Cadgers, Perth on 7:57am Fri 23 May 08
"Mr Cameron says: "This cannot last forever, the time is approaching ... If we replace the Barnett Formula with a needs-based formula"


Well, there it is fellow Scots. Do we start practising with the begging bowls now?
Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 8:04am Fri 23 May 08
All good news for snp 10 more years,a tory gvt in london will hasten independence win win situation clever msn alex.
Posted by: daz, glasgow on 8:09am Fri 23 May 08
fantastic result for labour in crewe - ha ha ha

shame on the herald for not allowing comments. -

death of a half decent paper.
Posted by: spagan, heisker, scotland on 8:13am Fri 23 May 08
Although I'm sure that you are correct Jim, I don't want to wait until Cameron has had 10 years in Downing Street.
Slainte Mhor
Posted by: Free Thinker, North Lanarkshire on 8:22am Fri 23 May 08
How about enabling the comments on the latest Alexander propaganda?

You can’t enable comments because you will lose the argument as you attempt to defend absurdity. The Herald is nothing more than an Establishment propaganda mouthpiece and many of us are now taking up the challenge of doing something about it.

The vast majority of Scots await your demise and that of the treacherous BBC… to clear the way for a better, more prosperous Scotland devoid of heinous criminals like SLAB and media outlets like The Herald propping them up. And don’t believe for one minute that the grand Establishment hidden agenda of which you have only glimpses will stop Scotland on it’s march to rightful independence. There are greater forces at work!

Posted by: Lobeydosser, Woodlands Road on 8:22am Fri 23 May 08
Eck, these guys down south are set to give you an even harder time than Gordon Brown, just hold steady on the tiller, keep your eyes on the compass and horizon, and the rest of us will supply the power.
Posted by: Im no really here, but over there on 8:23am Fri 23 May 08
"Scotland has great needs"???
One of the first things that Scotland needs is a newspaper that hasn't it's head buried up the arse of any unionist that comes along.
Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 8:24am Fri 23 May 08
No you wont wait that long mate,the tory gvt use lots of English patriotic language which the english will lap up causing friction something labour were to scared to do in scotland,ROLL ON the general in England my family cant wait to ditch labour and they have been labour all life.
Posted by: Observer, Glasgow on 8:25am Fri 23 May 08
Cameron is stuck largely in the same position as Brown, neither one of them can please all the people all the time. If the Barnett formula is scrapped he is going to have to please the ''all Scots are subsidy junkies'' brigade for the simple reason that they have more votes.

I think Douglas is lying but not for the same reason everryone else does. I don't think it's about censorship so much as a creaky old server that can't cope with gazillions of users on the ''hot'' stories.
Posted by: daveymac, web on 8:52am Fri 23 May 08
daz - "ha ha ha".

I feel little joy in Labours huge defeat but accept that they thourally deserve it. Hubris is not an approach we should take if we want to move our own country forward.

The Tories have now humiliated Labour but have essentially the very same policies as Labour does. You also have Cameron trying to resolve the Scottish subsidy junkie myth to his English constituents while hiding the real, massive and continued subsidy flow from the North to the South.

The electorate in the South have the choice between the devil and the deep blue tories. Nothing to laugh about.
Posted by: gmac, Germany on 9:13am Fri 23 May 08
If it were not for the North Sea oil and gas reserves and the financial revenue paid to London, England would have bestowed independence on Scotland some time ago. Rather than grumble over the rights and wrongs of such action by Scotland's more powerful neighbour, perhaps the Scots would be better served by obtaining employment in the oil and gas industry, in order to benefit from the rise in oil prices. Armed with a sound understanding of such a global industry, the Scots could then sell their skills to the global oil industry, living and working abroad, safe in the understanding that tax revenue from their employment abroad, was not fed back into the UK.
Posted by: Rab Jones, Glasgow on 9:18am Fri 23 May 08
gmac wrote:
If it were not for the North Sea oil and gas reserves and the financial revenue paid to London, England would have bestowed independence on Scotland some time ago. Rather than grumble over the rights and wrongs of such action by Scotland's more powerful neighbour, perhaps the Scots would be better served by obtaining employment in the oil and gas industry, in order to benefit from the rise in oil prices. Armed with a sound understanding of such a global industry, the Scots could then sell their skills to the global oil industry, living and working abroad, safe in the understanding that tax revenue from their employment abroad, was not fed back into the UK.
If you're so convinced about the "stealing" of "Scottish/Norwegian" oil, why don't you do something about it. Why don't you fight for it, cause havoc or protest? Get all the moaning SNP Scots together and go to war for the oil.

No.

You'd rather have a tiny whinge behind your PC.

All talk and no **** my friend.


As for CAmeron?

I hope he does become Prime Minister of the UK in the next election. Labour and the SNP are feckless idiots with their snouts in the trough.
Posted by: daveymac, web on 9:23am Fri 23 May 08
Cameron "the future of our country"

What country?
A country cannot be made up of parts that are also recognised as a country. That proposition is ludicrous so UK unionists try to either reduce the countries to region status (as done in practice) or try to sell both the Union as a country and its treaty members as also a country whenever it suits.

If Scotland is a country and England is a country (which they are) then the UK is not, was not and wont ever be unless Scotland and England decide to remove country status. The Union/ UK is a political state through treaty. Nothing more.

That same political state treaty is about to be radically transformed and a process they cannot prevent. The Unionists openly admit they will do anything to try and keep as much power as possible. If past experience is anything to go by that means a cocktails of:

Official Lies and deception - Oil, identifiable expenditure, distorted image of who is subsiding and who subsidised, general FUD.

National scale theft - Infrastructure iand Economy focus on South, 'Oil'ympics, funding belong to Scottish parliament not given, agreements reneged upon, compensation for farmers, etc etc such a long list!

Efforts to hamper democracy - Rigging a previous referendum, Calmans commission not representative and run by an external political state, trying to prevent Scottish (Independence) and UK (EU) referendums by forcing Lisbon treaty.

Media Bias - so many examples to choose from with the Herald being a particularly shiny one.

Posted by: daveymac, web on 9:23am Fri 23 May 08
Cameron "the future of our country"

What country?
A country cannot be made up of parts that are also recognised as a country. That proposition is ludicrous so UK unionists try to either reduce the countries to region status (as done in practice) or try to sell both the Union as a country and its treaty members as also a country whenever it suits.

If Scotland is a country and England is a country (which they are) then the UK is not, was not and wont ever be unless Scotland and England decide to remove country status. The Union/ UK is a political state through treaty. Nothing more.

That same political state treaty is about to be radically transformed and a process they cannot prevent. The Unionists openly admit they will do anything to try and keep as much power as possible. If past experience is anything to go by that means a cocktails of:

Official Lies and deception - Oil, identifiable expenditure, distorted image of who is subsiding and who subsidised, general FUD.

National scale theft - Infrastructure iand Economy focus on South, 'Oil'ympics, funding belong to Scottish parliament not given, agreements reneged upon, compensation for farmers, etc etc such a long list!

Efforts to hamper democracy - Rigging a previous referendum, Calmans commission not representative and run by an external political state, trying to prevent Scottish (Independence) and UK (EU) referendums by forcing Lisbon treaty.

Media Bias - so many examples to choose from with the Herald being a particularly shiny one.

Posted by: daveymac, web on 9:24am Fri 23 May 08
Cameron "the future of our country"

What country?
A country cannot be made up of parts that are also recognised as a country. That proposition is ludicrous so UK unionists try to either reduce the countries to region status (as done in practice) or try to sell both the Union as a country and its treaty members as also a country whenever it suits.

If Scotland is a country and England is a country (which they are) then the UK is not, was not and wont ever be unless Scotland and England decide to remove country status. The Union/ UK is a political state through treaty. Nothing more.

That same political state treaty is about to be radically transformed and a process they cannot prevent. The Unionists openly admit they will do anything to try and keep as much power as possible. If past experience is anything to go by that means a cocktails of:

Official Lies and deception - Oil, identifiable expenditure, distorted image of who is subsiding and who subsidised, general FUD.

National scale theft - Infrastructure iand Economy focus on South, 'Oil'ympics, funding belong to Scottish parliament not given, agreements reneged upon, compensation for farmers, etc etc such a long list!

Efforts to hamper democracy - Rigging a previous referendum, Calmans commission not representative and run by an external political state, trying to prevent Scottish (Independence) and UK (EU) referendums by forcing Lisbon treaty.

Media Bias - so many examples to choose from with the Herald being a particularly shiny one.

Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 9:34am Fri 23 May 08

David King Cameron
David Cameron today drops his biggest hint that a future Conservative government would scrap the 30-year-old Barnett Formula.
He added, off microphone, "We have to teach those Scotties a lesson, we are boss"
Posted by: GML, right here on 9:42am Fri 23 May 08
Do not feed the trolls.
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 10:00am Fri 23 May 08

8% Idiot - 92% Moron
If I keep posting the same crapology, forum after forum, it's sure to have an effect ... on my sanity!!


Posted by: TheGlaswegian, Edinburgh on 10:01am Fri 23 May 08
Asked if it was time to get rid of the formula, Mr Cameron says: "This cannot last forever, the time is approaching ... If we replace the Barnett Formula with a needs-based formula, Scotland has very great needs and Scotland will get very great resources."

Erm, Scotland has very great resources.... why does an opposition Westminster feel he has to tell us what he'll give us?
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 10:05am Fri 23 May 08

Cameron's intention to alter the Barnet Formula or even remove altogether is an English politician appeasing bigotted English to get elected.

If he thinks that will also endear him to Scots he is mistaken.

But Scots must take heed of the warning - the British establishment is marshalling its forces against democracy.

Posted by: scotland only 8% of UK, consumes 11% of social security on 10:12am Fri 23 May 08
Los Angeles wrote:
8% Idiot - 92% Moron
If I keep posting the same crapology, forum after forum, it's sure to have an effect ... on my sanity!!
just in case you cant read!

85% of the unemployed in scotsland are white!
34% of the unemployed in London are white!

ohhh, regarding "iconic" scotslanders universities!

a tiny

1% of England domiciled first degree graduates achieve there award from universities in scotsland!

but a massive

10% of scotsland domiciled first degree graduates achieve there first degree awards from universities in England.
Posted by: scotland only 8% of UK, consumes 11% of social security on 10:17am Fri 23 May 08
Los Angeles wrote:
Cameron's intention to alter the Barnet Formula or even remove altogether is an English politician appeasing bigotted English to get elected. If he thinks that will also endear him to Scots he is mistaken. But Scots must take heed of the warning - the British establishment is marshalling its forces against democracy.
ohhhh, your handouts are going to end!, what you going to do about, vote for independence?

we all know men in skirts are all mouth (they certainly dont like to have jobs).

Just how many males in scotsland became unemployed in the last year?
Posted by: Rab Jones, Glasgow on 10:27am Fri 23 May 08
scotland only 8% of UK wrote:
Los Angeles wrote: Cameron's intention to alter the Barnet Formula or even remove altogether is an English politician appeasing bigotted English to get elected. If he thinks that will also endear him to Scots he is mistaken. But Scots must take heed of the warning - the British establishment is marshalling its forces against democracy.
ohhhh, your handouts are going to end!, what you going to do about, vote for independence? we all know men in skirts are all mouth (they certainly dont like to have jobs). Just how many males in scotsland became unemployed in the last year?
The stereotypical comment about men in skirts is a bit harsh, but you do have a point about our unemployed.

We have far too many youngsters on "invalidity benefit" when there's feck all with them.

It's a career move for these lazy urchins. All they do is get themselves a nice set of metal crutches, and fools the benefits agency with their pathetic pleas. I've never seen so many young men with crutches. And the lazy women, just end up getting pregnant.


Then you have people who stick up for these tw@ts, moaning that there's no jobs for them.

At Silverburn in Pollok, there are jobs going at th efollowingplaces: Tesco, Barrhead Travel and two shoe shops I can't remember. Do you think any of these youngsters will go for any of these jobs?

Will they feck! It's too easy to pick up money for nothing these days, with some of the money (nothing to do with oil) coming from handouts from down south.

As for Scottish Independence? I think the English should be pleading for Independence, at least then they can stop bailing out our small and hopeless country.

Posted by: Rab Jones, Glasgow on 10:29am Fri 23 May 08
THE BENEFIT SYSTEM IS SUPPOSED TO BE A SAFETY NET FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE FALLEN ON HARD TIMES.

IT SHOULDN'T BE A LIFESTYLE CHOICE.

16BILLION A YEAR IS PAID OUT TO THESE TW@TS. THE SAME COST FOR THE OLYMPICS.
Posted by: scotland only 8% of UK, consumes 11% of social security on 10:32am Fri 23 May 08
Posted by: Rab Jones, Glasgow on 10:27am today
And the lazy women, just end up getting pregnant.


Hey! be kind to them, each one of them is helping to bring money to scotsland under the barnett formula!
Posted by: Globaltraveller, Scotland on 10:32am Fri 23 May 08
scotland only 8% of UK wrote:
Los Angeles wrote: Cameron's intention to alter the Barnet Formula or even remove altogether is an English politician appeasing bigotted English to get elected. If he thinks that will also endear him to Scots he is mistaken. But Scots must take heed of the warning - the British establishment is marshalling its forces against democracy.
ohhhh, your handouts are going to end!, what you going to do about, vote for independence? we all know men in skirts are all mouth (they certainly dont like to have jobs). Just how many males in scotsland became unemployed in the last year?
Male Unemployment Rate Scotland: 5.3%

Male Unemployment Rate England: 5.5%

Male Unemployment Rate Wales: 5.8%

!!!!!!!!

Scotland's total unemployment rate is lower still (4.7%) to England's (5.2%!!!!) and Wales's 5.