Home Secretary dismayed as radical preacher bailed
A firebrand preacher once described as "Osama bin Laden's right-hand man in Europe" has been granted bail by an immigration tribunal.
Abu Qatada, who last month defeated the government's efforts to deport him to Jordan, will be subject to a 22-hour curfew when he is released.
Home Secretary Jacqui Smith said yesterday she was "extremely disappointed" at the decision and promised "all steps necessary to protect the public". The bail decision by the Special Immigration Appeals Commission (SIAC) is a fresh blow to the government's anti-terror policies.
Now the Home Office, which is appealing against the decision to block the deportation, will seek the strictest possible conditions on the preacher once released.
Qatada has been convicted in his absence in Jordan of involvement with terror attacks in 1998.
The radical cleric once called on British Muslims to martyr themselves, and tapes of his sermons were found in a flat in Germany used by some of the September 11 hijackers.
Ms Smith said: "I am extremely disappointed the courts have granted Abu Qatada bail, albeit with very strict conditions. Public safety is our main priority and we will take all steps necessary to protect the public.
"I am not prepared to comment on details of individuals' contingency plans, but the Government's priority is to protect public safety and national security.
"I am already seeking to appeal the Court of Appeal's decision that it is not safe to deport Qatada and we will continue with deportation action with this and the other Jordanian cases."
He is currently being held in a specialist unit at Long Lartin in Worcestershire but could be released within weeks.
SIAC had originally dismissed Qatada's appeal against deportation on the grounds that Amman had signed a "memorandum
of understanding" with the UK.
The so-called MOUs are designed to give reassurance that countries with poor human rights records will not torture or ill-treat anyone returned to their soil.
But the Court of Appeal concluded that because of the issue of evidence obtained by torture in Jordan, SIAC had misdirected itself in law and its decision could not stand.
Home Office minister Tom McNulty said at the time that he was confident the preacher would be deported.
Shadow Home Secretary David Davis said: "This whole situation undermines the government's assurances that memorandums of understanding are the solution to deporting terror suspects.
"The government should at last answer our calls to focus on prevention and prosecution - for example by allowing the use of intercept evidence in court - rather than just trying to deport these individuals once they are here.
"They should establish a dedicated UK Border Police to prevent foreign terror suspects from entering the country in the first place."
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Posted by: Kiera Hardie on 12:11am Fri 9 May 08
They should just give him a pink pill or two and put him on a plane to Jordan. An administrative error - these things are most regrettable but they do happen and nobody is perfect.
They should just give him a pink pill or two and put him on a plane to Jordan. An administrative error - these things are most regrettable but they do happen and nobody is perfect.
Posted by: Is it only me?, Azerbaijan (for now) on 4:59am Fri 9 May 08
Cut out the PC bullsh*t and throw him out now.
When will the bleeding hearts learn that people like Abu Qatada are dangerous fanatics who have no place in our society or our country. If we behaved in their countries they way we allow them to behave in ours we would be thrown out, incarcerated or executed. Don't let them turn our country into the type of place that was so terrible for them to live in that they left. No wonder Brits are leaving the UK in droves.
Cut out the PC bullsh*t and throw him out now.
When will the bleeding hearts learn that people like Abu Qatada are dangerous fanatics who have no place in our society or our country. If we behaved in their countries they way we allow them to behave in ours we would be thrown out, incarcerated or executed. Don't let them turn our country into the type of place that was so terrible for them to live in that they left. No wonder Brits are leaving the UK in droves.
Posted by: gordon Brown ate my hamster, Australia on 6:37am Fri 9 May 08
I wonder how much compensation he will claim?
I wonder how much compensation he will claim?
Posted by: Tea Boy at the RBS, Leith on 7:07am Fri 9 May 08
The right hand doesn't seem to know what the left hand is doing. If we have terror laws lets adhere to them. Who sits on these Immigration Tribunals? It wouldn't be immigrants would it?
The right hand doesn't seem to know what the left hand is doing. If we have terror laws lets adhere to them. Who sits on these Immigration Tribunals? It wouldn't be immigrants would it?
Posted by: Tea Boy at the RBS, Leith on 7:17am Fri 9 May 08
And how much is this costing the poor old tax-payer, i.e. you and me. You have lawyers beoming richer on the receipts from legal aid by the day organising appeals against appeals for people like Qatada and when Abu Qatada is released from prison he will most likely receive welfare benefits, housing benefit, etc. not only for himself but for his extended family also. Enough is enough. The British tax-payers have been taken for mugs for far too long.
And how much is this costing the poor old tax-payer, i.e. you and me. You have lawyers beoming richer on the receipts from legal aid by the day organising appeals against appeals for people like Qatada and when Abu Qatada is released from prison he will most likely receive welfare benefits, housing benefit, etc. not only for himself but for his extended family also. Enough is enough. The British tax-payers have been taken for mugs for far too long.
Posted by: The Scudder, Scotland on 8:08am Fri 9 May 08
This is an absolute bloody scandal ,,
Get this scum out of our country .,,, and send the bleeding hearts with him ,.,.
And get rid of the home secretary and Special Immigration Appeals Commission (SIAC) who allowed this maniac to be let loose ,.,.
This country is a joke !
This is an absolute bloody scandal ,,
Get this scum out of our country .,,, and send the bleeding hearts with him ,.,.
And get rid of the home secretary and Special Immigration Appeals Commission (SIAC) who allowed this maniac to be let loose ,.,.
This country is a joke !
Posted by: Johnny Mac, Here on 8:20am Fri 9 May 08
The other day I read a story about a drug dealer who was released because no barrister was prepared to defend him - that he had more than £4m confiscated and frozen meant that he had no "assets", and barristers were unprepared to defend for a rate of under £200 per day. Happily, the drug dealer was released, and had his ill gotten gains returned.
Now, we read of a man who pitches up in our country, preaches all sorts of treasonous nonsense yet is so enraptured by a country he professes to hate he can engage a battallion of highly paid lawyers to ensure he stays put.
It speaks volumes for the religious conviction of these characters that the decadent and immoral west is infinitely preferable to the more rough and ready justice dispensed by the majority of the world's Islamic states. Faced with people such as Abu Qatada, there is little time for a judicial review or appeal to Human Rights Acts. Instead such people just turn up dead.
As a man who preaches enthusiastically for martyrs to come forward and kill as many infidels as possible, how strange that this holy man is unprepared to martyr himself by voluntarily returning to Jordan. He wouldn't happen to be a great big coward would he? And a hypocrite to boot?
The other day I read a story about a drug dealer who was released because no barrister was prepared to defend him - that he had more than £4m confiscated and frozen meant that he had no "assets", and barristers were unprepared to defend for a rate of under £200 per day. Happily, the drug dealer was released, and had his ill gotten gains returned.
Now, we read of a man who pitches up in our country, preaches all sorts of treasonous nonsense yet is so enraptured by a country he professes to hate he can engage a battallion of highly paid lawyers to ensure he stays put.
It speaks volumes for the religious conviction of these characters that the decadent and immoral west is infinitely preferable to the more rough and ready justice dispensed by the majority of the world's Islamic states. Faced with people such as Abu Qatada, there is little time for a judicial review or appeal to Human Rights Acts. Instead such people just turn up dead.
As a man who preaches enthusiastically for martyrs to come forward and kill as many infidels as possible, how strange that this holy man is unprepared to martyr himself by voluntarily returning to Jordan. He wouldn't happen to be a great big coward would he? And a hypocrite to boot?
Posted by: Rab Jones, Glasgow on 9:34am Fri 9 May 08
Why can't the government erase him, make it look like an accident. It worked with David Kelly (kinda)?
Just imagine if this man managed to influence just 6 British muslims. 6 Muslims wearing backpacks can cause a helluva lot of devestation.
The government are only strict with people who avoid certain payments. They're soon on the ball when it comes to throwing a 79 year old woman in the slammer for avoiding paying her tax.
Why can't the government erase him, make it look like an accident. It worked with David Kelly (kinda)?
Just imagine if this man managed to influence just 6 British muslims. 6 Muslims wearing backpacks can cause a helluva lot of devestation.
The government are only strict with people who avoid certain payments. They're soon on the ball when it comes to throwing a 79 year old woman in the slammer for avoiding paying her tax.
Posted by: Prof. Wilkins, Institute of Traditional Strategum on 9:36am Fri 9 May 08
Abu Qatada should be killed. No.. wait.. he should be shot in the face then killed. No... no... he should be shot in the face, dragged by six horses, put on a stake and sent to Jordan in peices. That would show him...
[quote]He wouldn't happen to be a great big coward would he? And a hypocrite to boot?[/quote]
Yes, yes he is. He is a big coward, and a hypocrite. Do you know why? Because I think he is. Now, a human rights lawyer may say [italic]he was tried in an open and fair manner[/italic]. But how free can our laws be, if someone who wants to eat our babies can walk free?
Now, I don't know Qatada, but I know enough to hate him. He is probably one of those islams cult members, but yeah I hate him a lot. He is definitely guilty, well he certainly looks guilty - and if it quacks like a duck then it probably is one. He is certainly brown enough to be a terrorist.
We all know our courts are not free and open, and Judge 'homosexual liberal' who freed this man (for two hours a day) can go to Jordan as well, for all we know he could be islam too...
I am glad the herald readership is full of hero Brits. Stay vigilant heroes, remember the Smeaton code... only kick if he's on the ground...
Abu Qatada should be killed. No.. wait.. he should be shot in the face then killed. No... no... he should be shot in the face, dragged by six horses, put on a stake and sent to Jordan in peices. That would show him...
He wouldn't happen to be a great big coward would he? And a hypocrite to boot?
Yes, yes he is. He is a big coward, and a hypocrite. Do you know why? Because I think he is. Now, a human rights lawyer may say
he was tried in an open and fair manner. But how free can our laws be, if someone who wants to eat our babies can walk free?
Now, I don't know Qatada, but I know enough to hate him. He is probably one of those islams cult members, but yeah I hate him a lot. He is definitely guilty, well he certainly looks guilty - and if it quacks like a duck then it probably is one. He is certainly brown enough to be a terrorist.
We all know our courts are not free and open, and Judge 'homosexual liberal' who freed this man (for two hours a day) can go to Jordan as well, for all we know he could be islam too...
I am glad the herald readership is full of hero Brits. Stay vigilant heroes, remember the Smeaton code... only kick if he's on the ground...
Posted by: Allan, Londonistan on 9:47am Fri 9 May 08
Do we know who was on the SIAC panel that released him? Do we need to shoot them as well?
Do we know who was on the SIAC panel that released him? Do we need to shoot them as well?
Posted by: Toophingers, Bellshill. on 9:49am Fri 9 May 08
Another Blair legacy.
Should help wavering members of Crewe's electorate to come to the right decision.
Another Blair legacy.
Should help wavering members of Crewe's electorate to come to the right decision.
Posted by: Prof. Wilkins, Institute of Traditional Strategum on 9:51am Fri 9 May 08
[quote]Do we know who was on the SIAC panel that released him?[/quote]
No
[quote]Do we need to shoot them as well?[/quote]
Yes
Do we know who was on the SIAC panel that released him?
No
Do we need to shoot them as well?
Yes
Posted by: Rab Jones, Glasgow on 10:14am Fri 9 May 08
This country and left wing liberals makes me want to scream.
*This man's family are on a grand worth of benefits a month, although he hates this country and wants to behead all non believers of Islam.
*Norman Kember put up some of his bail money. (The idiot who never apologised or thanked the SAS for his escape from Iraq).
*Britian are soft and are willing to keep him, yet if they flew him back to Jordan, he'd be executed.
*Osama Bin Laden must be wetting himself in his cave.
[bold]Song moment:[/bold] Marvin Gaye "What's going on?"
This country and left wing liberals makes me want to scream.
*This man's family are on a grand worth of benefits a month, although he hates this country and wants to behead all non believers of Islam.
*Norman Kember put up some of his bail money. (The idiot who never apologised or thanked the SAS for his escape from Iraq).
*Britian are soft and are willing to keep him, yet if they flew him back to Jordan, he'd be executed.
*Osama Bin Laden must be wetting himself in his cave.
Song moment: Marvin Gaye "What's going on?"
Posted by: Free Thinker, North Lanarkshire on 10:14am Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Is it only me?[/bold] wrote:
Cut out the PC bullsh*t and throw him out now. When will the bleeding hearts learn that people like Abu Qatada are dangerous fanatics who have no place in our society or our country. If we behaved in their countries they way we allow them to behave in ours we would be thrown out, incarcerated or executed. Don't let them turn our country into the type of place that was so terrible for them to live in that they left. No wonder Brits are leaving the UK in droves.[/quote] Abu Qatada’s actions are unacceptable in some eyes but speaking out is freedom of speech. I’ve heard worse on a Friday night outside a chip shop at closing time on certain sectarian themes. We have to be very careful in quelling free speech… The Establishment are devious and are never to be trusted particularly with Third Reich ‘Enabling’ Act type laws that the current clowns in Westminster are pursing with rabid psychotic zeal as demanded by their ‘masters’.
The misguided religionist is not anywhere near as dangerous, not even close as Gordon Brown, Des Browne, Jonathan Evans, John Scarlett, Sir Ian Blair, George Bush, Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice, Richard Pearle, Paul Wolfowitz, John Bolton, Henry Kissinger... etc... Tavistock Institute, RIIA, CFR, MI5, MI6, Mossad, CIA, NSA... etc … And if you don't believe that then check the latest death toll from Afghanistan and Iraq. Last time I checked it was 1.3Millions and rising.
More Establishment clap-trap...Wake up to the misdirection!
Is it only me? wrote:
Cut out the PC bullsh*t and throw him out now. When will the bleeding hearts learn that people like Abu Qatada are dangerous fanatics who have no place in our society or our country. If we behaved in their countries they way we allow them to behave in ours we would be thrown out, incarcerated or executed. Don't let them turn our country into the type of place that was so terrible for them to live in that they left. No wonder Brits are leaving the UK in droves.
Abu Qatada’s actions are unacceptable in some eyes but speaking out is freedom of speech. I’ve heard worse on a Friday night outside a chip shop at closing time on certain sectarian themes. We have to be very careful in quelling free speech… The Establishment are devious and are never to be trusted particularly with Third Reich ‘Enabling’ Act type laws that the current clowns in Westminster are pursing with rabid psychotic zeal as demanded by their ‘masters’.
The misguided religionist is not anywhere near as dangerous, not even close as Gordon Brown, Des Browne, Jonathan Evans, John Scarlett, Sir Ian Blair, George Bush, Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice, Richard Pearle, Paul Wolfowitz, John Bolton, Henry Kissinger... etc... Tavistock Institute, RIIA, CFR, MI5, MI6, Mossad, CIA, NSA... etc … And if you don't believe that then check the latest death toll from Afghanistan and Iraq. Last time I checked it was 1.3Millions and rising.
More Establishment clap-trap...Wake up to the misdirection!
Posted by: Rab Jones, Glasgow on 10:26am Fri 9 May 08
[italic]We have to be very careful in quelling free speech[/italic]
Tell that to The Herald.
The YTS Moderator seems to be deleting messages that tend to disagree with what has been written, which is diverting people to The Scotsman forums.
Last time I checked, there's about 200 posts on the main headline topic in The Scotsman compared to The Herald's 12.
We have to be very careful in quelling free speech
Tell that to The Herald.
The YTS Moderator seems to be deleting messages that tend to disagree with what has been written, which is diverting people to The Scotsman forums.
Last time I checked, there's about 200 posts on the main headline topic in The Scotsman compared to The Herald's 12.
Posted by: Ranting Rab, Carluke on 10:28am Fri 9 May 08
Internment is the answer, in 42 day consecutive parcels
Internment is the answer, in 42 day consecutive parcels
Posted by: Corrupt EU, Fife on 10:46am Fri 9 May 08
The tyrannical Home Secretary is dismayed as the radical preacher is bailed. I hope she's refused bail when she and her criminal comrades are brought to trial!
The tyrannical Home Secretary is dismayed as the radical preacher is bailed. I hope she's refused bail when she and her criminal comrades are brought to trial!
Posted by: awh, Dumfries on 11:07am Fri 9 May 08
While it the decision is crazy it is also the law. Which we may or may not want to change.
One of the great things about the herald site is that most of the nut jobs are over on the Scotsman, where no doubt a similar cull is awaiting them
While it the decision is crazy it is also the law. Which we may or may not want to change.
One of the great things about the herald site is that most of the nut jobs are over on the Scotsman, where no doubt a similar cull is awaiting them
Posted by: Corrupt EU, Fife on 11:28am Fri 9 May 08
Don't you think it's strange that Neo Labour formed the Ministry of Justice in 2007? It sounds like something from George Orwell's 1984. Furthermore, the Nazis had their Reich Ministry of Justice during the war.
Funny how a socialist like Herr Brown calls for Britishness etc. Surely this makes him a national socialist (Nazi)!
Don't you think it's strange that Neo Labour formed the Ministry of Justice in 2007? It sounds like something from George Orwell's 1984. Furthermore, the Nazis had their Reich Ministry of Justice during the war.
Funny how a socialist like Herr Brown calls for Britishness etc. Surely this makes him a national socialist (Nazi)!
Posted by: Paul, Dumfries. on 11:51am Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Tea Boy at the RBS[/bold] wrote:
And how much is this costing the poor old tax-payer, i.e. you and me. You have lawyers beoming richer on the receipts from legal aid by the day organising appeals against appeals for people like Qatada and when Abu Qatada is released from prison he will most likely receive welfare benefits, housing benefit, etc. not only for himself but for his extended family also. Enough is enough. The British tax-payers have been taken for mugs for far too long.[/quote] I think I'd prefer to pay Abu Qatada's housing benefit than the millions upon millions it costs to sustain an illegal war with a country which is only important to us because it has oil (and the US says so). There's no excuse for people like Abu Qatada, but I'm not surprised that we're hearing more and more about people like him because of Britain's continued part in wars.
The funny thing is, for the majority of Iraqis, the situation is worse. So who has won out of this? The radicals and the US (they got 'oil for aid')
Tea Boy at the RBS wrote:
And how much is this costing the poor old tax-payer, i.e. you and me. You have lawyers beoming richer on the receipts from legal aid by the day organising appeals against appeals for people like Qatada and when Abu Qatada is released from prison he will most likely receive welfare benefits, housing benefit, etc. not only for himself but for his extended family also. Enough is enough. The British tax-payers have been taken for mugs for far too long.
I think I'd prefer to pay Abu Qatada's housing benefit than the millions upon millions it costs to sustain an illegal war with a country which is only important to us because it has oil (and the US says so). There's no excuse for people like Abu Qatada, but I'm not surprised that we're hearing more and more about people like him because of Britain's continued part in wars.
The funny thing is, for the majority of Iraqis, the situation is worse. So who has won out of this? The radicals and the US (they got 'oil for aid')
Posted by: Duncan B, Glasgow on 12:49pm Fri 9 May 08
The nut jobs are over on the Scotsman?? Jeez and here I was thinking they are all on here.
As far as I can see this man has committed no crime other than, being a Muslim, he has made speeches and written articles that the government disagrees with. If that is a crime then he should be accused and tried. If found guilty then he should be punished. What shouldn't happen is that he be tried in secret using secret evidence supplied by the people who gave us Saddam Husseins weapon of mass destruction.
BTW Rab if speech is a crime then the people on here demanding that he be killed are also committing a crime, its known as incitement. And yes the world is a complicated place, but believing everything you read in the SUN or the Daily Mail doesn't help.
The nut jobs are over on the Scotsman?? Jeez and here I was thinking they are all on here.
As far as I can see this man has committed no crime other than, being a Muslim, he has made speeches and written articles that the government disagrees with. If that is a crime then he should be accused and tried. If found guilty then he should be punished. What shouldn't happen is that he be tried in secret using secret evidence supplied by the people who gave us Saddam Husseins weapon of mass destruction.
BTW Rab if speech is a crime then the people on here demanding that he be killed are also committing a crime, its known as incitement. And yes the world is a complicated place, but believing everything you read in the SUN or the Daily Mail doesn't help.
Posted by: JBlackley, Florida on 2:12pm Fri 9 May 08
Free speech or not, a traitor or not, should be shot or not - none of these is the point in this story.
The point is that the government's first priority is the safety of the citizens. This government made a decision that public safety required those who preach jihad against Britain to be charged with a criminal offence. (I'm not arguing the merits of that decision here - only stating it.) That decision made, the government then decided that foreign-born nationals who were found guilty of that crime would be deported. So far, so not-very-remarkable.
But then, ah but then: This government - the one that makes the laws, remember, failed to ensure that their own law was compatible with the other laws of this country. They failed to ensure that the "law of convenience" (memoranda of understanding) would stand the test of trial by a commission [italic]set up by themselves[/italic] . They failed to ensure that their own immigration and deportation laws were compatible with those imposed by the EU.
Failure, failure and more failure. Added to that, this government has failed to provide any useful mechanism to police the borders of its country - thereby failing to prevent any more of Omar Mohammed Othman's kind (Qatada's real name) get into the country.
This is not about freedom of speech or Othman's "human rights". This is about not-fit-for-purpose politicians who should be dismissed as soon as possible.
Free speech or not, a traitor or not, should be shot or not - none of these is the point in this story.
The point is that the government's first priority is the safety of the citizens. This government made a decision that public safety required those who preach jihad against Britain to be charged with a criminal offence. (I'm not arguing the merits of that decision here - only stating it.) That decision made, the government then decided that foreign-born nationals who were found guilty of that crime would be deported. So far, so not-very-remarkable.
But then, ah but then: This government - the one that makes the laws, remember, failed to ensure that their own law was compatible with the other laws of this country. They failed to ensure that the "law of convenience" (memoranda of understanding) would stand the test of trial by a commission
set up by themselves . They failed to ensure that their own immigration and deportation laws were compatible with those imposed by the EU.
Failure, failure and more failure. Added to that, this government has failed to provide any useful mechanism to police the borders of its country - thereby failing to prevent any more of Omar Mohammed Othman's kind (Qatada's real name) get into the country.
This is not about freedom of speech or Othman's "human rights". This is about not-fit-for-purpose politicians who should be dismissed as soon as possible.
Posted by: pete, Bearsden on 3:13pm Fri 9 May 08
This fanatical scumbag should be deported to Jordan immediately - who the hell cares if he gets tortured (hopefully, he will) and take these incompetent fools of the SIAC panel with him. Yes, let us know just exactly who is on this panel as I'm sure the electorate would love to know. These damned pc, lily-livered, bleedin' heart do-gooders who seem to run the UK now infuriate me.
This fanatical scumbag should be deported to Jordan immediately - who the hell cares if he gets tortured (hopefully, he will) and take these incompetent fools of the SIAC panel with him. Yes, let us know just exactly who is on this panel as I'm sure the electorate would love to know. These damned pc, lily-livered, bleedin' heart do-gooders who seem to run the UK now infuriate me.
Posted by: haud me back, glasgow on 4:14pm Fri 9 May 08
There must be someone in the shadows of M15 or 16 that can take him out, either that get someone to go up to him with a chair leg, hand it to him and run like the clappers while the police pump 5 bullets in him!
There must be someone in the shadows of M15 or 16 that can take him out, either that get someone to go up to him with a chair leg, hand it to him and run like the clappers while the police pump 5 bullets in him!
Posted by: Free Thinker, North Lanarkshire on 5:24pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]haud me back[/bold] wrote:
There must be someone in the shadows of M15 or 16 that can take him out, either that get someone to go up to him with a chair leg, hand it to him and run like the clappers while the police pump 5 bullets in him![/quote] Correct: And that, my dear fellow, is a very interesting question... why is he 'still at large'?
haud me back wrote:
There must be someone in the shadows of M15 or 16 that can take him out, either that get someone to go up to him with a chair leg, hand it to him and run like the clappers while the police pump 5 bullets in him!
Correct: And that, my dear fellow, is a very interesting question... why is he 'still at large'?
Posted by: Boab, Glasgow on 6:23pm Fri 9 May 08
Erm ... hold on everyone ...
According to 'the london bombings' by nafeez ahmed, radicals like Qatada have been tolerated by British security forces since the 1990s. In fact, booting them out to Jordan only allows them to continue their operations unmolested. Abu Hamza and Mohammed Siddique, whose associates carried out the London bombings, made no secret of the fact that they were recruiting and training terrorists for years, even giving interviews to the press.
Still, I guess it's easier to froth about the towel-heads or the 'PC brigade' rather than holding your own government to account.
I agree with JBlackley, then. Labour are scum.
Erm ... hold on everyone ...
According to 'the london bombings' by nafeez ahmed, radicals like Qatada have been tolerated by British security forces since the 1990s. In fact, booting them out to Jordan only allows them to continue their operations unmolested. Abu Hamza and Mohammed Siddique, whose associates carried out the London bombings, made no secret of the fact that they were recruiting and training terrorists for years, even giving interviews to the press.
Still, I guess it's easier to froth about the towel-heads or the 'PC brigade' rather than holding your own government to account.
I agree with JBlackley, then. Labour are scum.
Posted by: GBW, Largs on 7:24pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Boab[/bold] wrote:
Erm ... hold on everyone ... According to 'the london bombings' by nafeez ahmed, radicals like Qatada have been tolerated by British security forces since the 1990s. In fact, booting them out to Jordan only allows them to continue their operations unmolested. Abu Hamza and Mohammed Siddique, whose associates carried out the London bombings, made no secret of the fact that they were recruiting and training terrorists for years, even giving interviews to the press. Still, I guess it's easier to froth about the towel-heads or the 'PC brigade' rather than holding your own government to account. I agree with JBlackley, then. Labour are scum.[/quote] Erm... hold on Boab...
The correct term for AYRABS is RAGHEADS... as FRISP for the SCOTTISH... BOGSTOMPER for the IRISH... SHEEPSHAGGER for the WELSH... ANYTHING for the ENGLISH... FROG for the FRENCH... WAP/TALLIE for the ITALIANS... RACIST for BOAB... etc... etc... can you see where I'm going with this?
This man shold be made to answer for the words he uses to inflame others, if not his alleged deeds, but instead of behaving like him, we should show him how human beings can behave to each other... without resorting to name calling/violence.
For freedom of speech to be used as excuse for inciting murder is a non-starter... Freedom of speech yes... Responsible free speech yes... Incitement to murder, from anyone, no...
Boab wrote:
Erm ... hold on everyone ... According to 'the london bombings' by nafeez ahmed, radicals like Qatada have been tolerated by British security forces since the 1990s. In fact, booting them out to Jordan only allows them to continue their operations unmolested. Abu Hamza and Mohammed Siddique, whose associates carried out the London bombings, made no secret of the fact that they were recruiting and training terrorists for years, even giving interviews to the press. Still, I guess it's easier to froth about the towel-heads or the 'PC brigade' rather than holding your own government to account. I agree with JBlackley, then. Labour are scum.
Erm... hold on Boab...
The correct term for AYRABS is RAGHEADS... as FRISP for the SCOTTISH... BOGSTOMPER for the IRISH... SHEEPSHAGGER for the WELSH... ANYTHING for the ENGLISH... FROG for the FRENCH... WAP/TALLIE for the ITALIANS... RACIST for BOAB... etc... etc... can you see where I'm going with this?
This man shold be made to answer for the words he uses to inflame others, if not his alleged deeds, but instead of behaving like him, we should show him how human beings can behave to each other... without resorting to name calling/violence.
For freedom of speech to be used as excuse for inciting murder is a non-starter... Freedom of speech yes... Responsible free speech yes... Incitement to murder, from anyone, no...
Posted by: Johnny Mac, Here on 8:16pm Fri 9 May 08
We need have no worries about Radical Islam taking over this country when so many people appear to believe that it is quite fine for a man to arrive on these shores on a false passport, under suspicion for a campaign of bombings in Jordan, who then proceeds to rail against the country that he chose to visit - all the while claiming benefits and finding recourse in the very human rights he is on record as wishing to violate amongst unbelievers. Even better, he is seen as an inspirational figure for those misguided fools flying planes into buildings or strapping bags full of bombs to their backs.
To you specifically Prof Wilkins, your puerile satire is wasted on me. If you see no irony in a man encouraging others to blow themselves to smithereens for the greater glory of Islam whilst seemingly awfully fond of life in a country he professes to hate, then bully for you. You clearly are better than the rest of us. Bad news though is that there will be no room for smart alec intellectualism, or equality for all if Qatada's irrational views ever prevail....indeed, the choice will be stark. Agree with us, or else.
As it happens, I don't want him deported. I want guys like this on tv on a regular basis where he can explain his peculiar take on "religion". One of the problems we have in this county that the intellectual vacuum at the core of radical Islam is never challenged. Perhaps Qatada could enlighten us all.
We need have no worries about Radical Islam taking over this country when so many people appear to believe that it is quite fine for a man to arrive on these shores on a false passport, under suspicion for a campaign of bombings in Jordan, who then proceeds to rail against the country that he chose to visit - all the while claiming benefits and finding recourse in the very human rights he is on record as wishing to violate amongst unbelievers. Even better, he is seen as an inspirational figure for those misguided fools flying planes into buildings or strapping bags full of bombs to their backs.
To you specifically Prof Wilkins, your puerile satire is wasted on me. If you see no irony in a man encouraging others to blow themselves to smithereens for the greater glory of Islam whilst seemingly awfully fond of life in a country he professes to hate, then bully for you. You clearly are better than the rest of us. Bad news though is that there will be no room for smart alec intellectualism, or equality for all if Qatada's irrational views ever prevail....indeed, the choice will be stark. Agree with us, or else.
As it happens, I don't want him deported. I want guys like this on tv on a regular basis where he can explain his peculiar take on "religion". One of the problems we have in this county that the intellectual vacuum at the core of radical Islam is never challenged. Perhaps Qatada could enlighten us all.
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