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Scots police forces ‘must work together more closely’
Exclusive by LUCY ADAMS, Chief ReporterMay 05 2008

Scotland's eight police forces are planning to stave off any threat of amalgamation by working together more closely and outsourcing specialist services in areas such as murder investigation.

Stephen House, Chief Constable of Strathclyde Police, has called for greater collaboration between forces to cut costs and improve services.

Speaking exclusively to The Herald, Mr House, who took over leadership of Scotland's largest force six months ago, revealed that talks are under way on how forces can share specialist units in areas such as firearms protection and complex murder cases.

He also raised concerns about funding for counter-terrorism in Scotland compared with the rest of the UK, and called for a discussion about the "dichotomy" of having a UK-wide strategy on counter-terrorism funded separately north of the border.

Mr House, chairman of the crime committee of the Association of Chief Police Officers in Scotland, believes the future of policing lies in greater joint-working rather than in the creation of a national force.

"I don't think amalgamation is on the table," said Mr House. "It is not where we are headed and collaboration is a much more real-world solution."

The corridor of power in Scotland's largest force is the place where the highest-ranking officers converge to manage some 7400 police, who in turn protect 2.3 million residents.

While the head of the new Scottish Police Services Authority (SPSA) and Her Majesty's Chief Inspector of Constabulary talked of plans for greater centralisation and "supra-force" structures, Mr House has got on with radical plans to transform Strathclyde.

As part of his focus on community policing, he announced plans to swell the ranks by 750, taking officer numbers to 8200.

He told deskbound superintendents they must do eight shifts a year on the streets as part of moves to get more cops out on the beat.

He wants Strathclyde to have as many officers as the similar metropolitan forces of Greater Manchester and West Midlands, which have 9000.

Mr House revealed plans to increase the numbers of volunteer special constables.

"If you look at the comparative figures proportionately we have not got very high numbers of special constables," he said. "We have about 300 where comparative forces such as West Midlands has 900.

While getting to grips with the force, he has been developing his views on Scottish policing. Faced with increases in the demands on forces and tightening budgets, Mr House and other chief constables are looking to stave off any threat of centralisation., with collaboration top of the agenda. Senior officers are keen to take the arrangements further.

He suggested forces should look to sharing specialist homicide units and Tayside, Central and Fife are working on a single mobile firearms unit.

"We are where we are. We are there for a reason but as Paddy Tomkins HM Chief Inspector of Constabulary said, policing is in better shape than it's ever been. How could we improve? Develop our links even more," he said.

"I'm sure there will be a debate about how the forces collaborate."

On the subject of counter-terrorism he would like to address the "anomaly" which means the UK works to one single counter-terrorism strategy but that it is paid for differently north of the border.

"The Scottish Government's aim is that we are no less safe from terrorism than England and Wales. It is a bit odd that you have a national strategy but local funding. You would expect to have a UK strategy funded by the UK."

He did not, he said, have a political outlook on the issue. It is something he wished to resolve - regardless of the fact it may be a thorny issue to grasp.


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Posted by: Alkie, NYC on 2:07am Mon 5 May 08
The greatest single effort the Scottish people could do to ensure the decrease in violent crimes is prohibit the sale and consumption of alcohol. To achieve this end, the Scottish middle class must begin to stand against alcohol, rejecting it as the middle class currently rejects ****, incest, and murder for hire.
Posted by: Donald Anderson, glasgow on 5:50am Mon 5 May 08
We could at least eliminate the terrorist problem by disassociating ourselves from the Imperialist London Terrorist regime. Scotland has no quarrel with London's victims, nor they with us.
Posted by: Rab The Ranter, Ayrshire on 7:01am Mon 5 May 08
Get rid of these nonsensical two bit empires+Ane Scotland, Ane Polis.

There are more polis in U division in Strathclyde than there is in the whole of Dumfries and Galloway. Yet they have Chiefs, Deputy Chiefs, Asistant Deputy Chiefs, Big cousins Deputy Chiefs, Ma Aunties Assistant Polis Chief, secretaries, administration, cars, helicopters and dugs.

Jobs for the boys
Posted by: FIFER, Anstruther,Fife on 8:07am Mon 5 May 08
agree with Rab. Bigger forces give economies of scale also. Here in Fife I had occasion to call 999 and it took near half an hour for police to attend as the nearest was so far away. In Glenrothes, they had to use horses from Lothians last summer for a number of weeks due to issues local parks.

Does working more closely not mean in other words forces working as a unit in other words one force.
Posted by: fatzdomingo, Glasgow on 8:15am Mon 5 May 08
Chief House wants to improve services does he, a start would be moving to catching crooks instead of trying to be social workers.
Posted by: subrosa on 9:38am Mon 5 May 08
"The Scottish Government's aim is that we are no less safe from terrorism than England and Wales. It is a bit odd that you have a national strategy but local funding. You would expect to have a UK strategy funded by the UK."

He doesn't get it does he? Another placeman to ensure we are more tied to the union that ever, or so he thinks.

We have a national strategy Mr House, it's called Scotland's strategy even though it's similar to England's.
Posted by: Rab The Ranter, Ayrshire on 11:54am Mon 5 May 08
FIFER wrote:
agree with Rab. Bigger forces give economies of scale also. Here in Fife I had occasion to call 999 and it took near half an hour for police to attend as the nearest was so far away. In Glenrothes, they had to use horses from Lothians last summer for a number of weeks due to issues local parks. Does working more closely not mean in other words forces working as a unit in other words one force.
ARRGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH
H

My standards are slipping now that folks are starting to agree with me LOL.

I need to be more outrageous from noo oan :o)

Ta for the support Fifer.
Posted by: spagan, heisker, scotland on 12:08pm Mon 5 May 08
A Scottish "FBI" for all serious crime makes sense in this wee country of ours.
Breaking the apron strings that took us into Iraq - part of the Union dividend - would reduce any terrorist threat at a stroke.
Need to have small - locally accountable - police units to deal with anti-social behaviour / low level crime.
Mr House seems to be proposing some good, pragmatic short-term steps. However, national review is overdue.
Slainte Mhor
Posted by: martin, edinburgh on 12:15pm Mon 5 May 08
"Bigger forces give economies of scale also"

Hmm, so why do strathclyde and glasgow have a murder rate to rival new york then? And a convinction rate that depends primarily on finding the assailant as **** as the victim 10 yards further down the street going "aye ah chibbed him" on his mobile?
Posted by: tris, scotland on 12:27pm Mon 5 May 08


Oh dear Rab, you're not gonna like this, but I agree too.....

Far, far too many "command corridor" ranks, and far too much time and money wasted on their offices, cars, expenses. While they prat about concerning themselves with corporate image, colour of uniforms, logos, etc, instead of getting out there and being seen in uniform, lifting crooks.
Posted by: McSomeone, Scotland on 1:58pm Mon 5 May 08
They would be better off by first starting to work closer with the public.

At the moment most people see them, not as public protectors but as macho bully boys who do the governments biding. If people trusted the police then they are more likely to give them the information they require to solve crimes. Working with other forces and departments is all well and good but working with the public should be their priority.
Posted by: John Leven, Leven Fife on 2:09pm Mon 5 May 08
Why with its population does London have one police force and we with a smaller population need eight?

Just think of all the police out on the beat in your local area if we use the money paid to all chief Constables and all the rest of the duplicated top brass to employ more PCs.
Posted by: John Leven, Leven Fife on 2:09pm Mon 5 May 08
Why with its population does London have one police force and we with a smaller population need eight?

Just think of all the police out on the beat in your local area if we use the money paid to all chief Constables and all the rest of the duplicated top brass to employ more PCs.
Posted by: Meep, Shawlands on 3:11pm Mon 5 May 08
I am curious about this "amalgamation". I wonder if CC House can tell us if he has had ( or has) membership of the psuedo "charity" Common Purpose that has been claimed to be a security services front?
Posted by: allymax, yuk on 5:17pm Mon 5 May 08
'Mr House, chairman of ... Chief Police Officers in Scotland, believes the future of policing lies in greater joint-working rather than in the creation of a national force. "I don't think amalgamation is on the table," said Mr House. "It is not where we are headed and collaboration is a much more real-world solution."

Well mr House, WE FECKIN' DO ! And, since we elect the government of Scotland, pay for your exhorbitant wages, benefits and pensions, (in the same manner as a police charge nowadays), we WILL make sure there is only one police service, a centrlaised Scottish Police Service for Scotlands needs. Moreover, you WILL fall under the auspice of the Scottish government's/peoples wishes of being a tolerant and respected Scottish Police Service again. No more of your scaremongering crap, no more of your macho-bullying, no more of your ugly 'us-and-them' policies, JUST NO MORE !

So, to summarise, we, the people, the soveriegn realm of Scotland, WILL tell you what we want, not the other way around bucko.

P.s, i also agree with 'rab'.

Posted by: Rab The Ranter, Ayrshire on 6:40pm Mon 5 May 08
tris wrote:
Oh dear Rab, you're not gonna like this, but I agree too..... Far, far too many "command corridor" ranks, and far too much time and money wasted on their offices, cars, expenses. While they prat about concerning themselves with corporate image, colour of uniforms, logos, etc, instead of getting out there and being seen in uniform, lifting crooks.
Oh deary me again :o(

Here is me who doesn't want to be a part of MAINSTREAM opinion, and I now I am afraid I'm falling into line HELPPPPPPPP hehehe

You are spot on tris. Why does London hae wan Polis and a place with hauf the population have 25 million polis forces (welll 8)

Jobs for the boys.

Handshakers Rule OK

Posted by: JC on 7:46pm Mon 5 May 08
So, still not sign of the extra 1000 police on the streets 'promised' by the nats, instead we get outsourcing and closer collaboration
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