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So what about a Bill to crack down on parents who let their children run dangerously out of control?

"It was also "baffling" that laws do not make attacks on private property a criminal offence, according to Mr Neil who said his proposals will change this." My work has a nine foot palisade fence round the private property, red care alarms, C.C.T.V., signs stating the danger in climbing up onto the 16 foot high building roof. It baffles me why we have been advised that if our wee dog bites a person who has entered our premises wih criminal intent, we can be sued and the dog can be put down.

More admin on oepration walkies for Scotland's poor lazy, corrupt police officers- should be cracking down on corrupt police officers per article below- I can find no other case where three incidence of indencent assualt have escaped a custodia sentence- different law for coppers though- Fiscal could have porsecuted through High COurt not sheriff - bent bent bent. Also Victom ignored by Fiscal and Sheriff - which is not the law bent bent bent BBC 15/4/08 A woman who was sexually assaulted by an off-duty police officer has told the BBC she is "disgusted" that he has been allowed to keep his full pension. Pc Andrew Burt was allowed to retire on a full pension after being convicted of indecently assaulting three women. One of his victims, grandmother Alison McFarlane, 60, said Burt had been rewarded for his crimes. Labour community safety spokesman Paul Martin MSP called for Burt's pension to be cut by the maximum 65%. Married Burt, 50, would have lost his entire pension if he had been sacked by Lothian and Borders Police after being found guilty last October of assaulting the women at Cockenzie and Port Seton bowling club in East Lothian. I am angry that he has been allowed to be rewarded with a full pension after his misdemeanour Alison McFarlane He had denied the charges against him, claiming he had been too drunk to remember what happened. The constable was suspended from his duties after being sentenced to 150 hours community service and three' years probation. He was also placed on the Sex Offenders' Register. But he retired last month while an internal police investigation into his conduct was still ongoing. He has claimed his full pension for 30-years service with the police, which is understood to amount to about £16,000 every year. Mrs McFarlane said she and the other two female victims, a 21-year-old who was slapped on the bottom by Burt, and her 44-year-old mother who he grabbed between the legs, had been "let down" by the force. Disgraced officers She added: "I am angry that he has been allowed to be rewarded with a full pension after his misdemeanour. For him to try and fondle my breast is very degrading. "How come, when he was found guilty in court, and the police lawyer was there, did it take them five months for this to come round? "He was allowed to retire but he should have been sacked after the verdict. I do think something should have been done and I don't think he should be allowed to keep that money. "They say crime doesn't pay but it certainly has for Andrew Burt." Mr Martin said he had written to Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill to ask for measures to be put in place to prevent disgraced officers retiring before they are sacked. The sanction against pensions should be investigated as a disciplinary measure in this instance Paul Martin MSP Scottish Labour "We have the right to expect the best possible standards from police officers both when they are on and off duty," Mr Martin said. "Most of the time we get that from them, but the sanction against pensions should be investigated as a disciplinary measure in this instance." A Dumfries and Galloway police inspector had his pension cut by 65%, the maximum amount allowed, by the local police board after retiring following his conviction for raping two women while on duty. A spokesman for Lothian and Borders Police confirmed that Burt was no longer serving with the force. The spokesman said disciplinary procedures could only be taken against officers after the conclusion of any court proceedings. The Scottish Police Federation said no-one could defend what Burt had done but added that any officer who had completed 30-years of service was entitled to their police pension. The Scottish Government said it did not comment on individual cases but a spokesman said a review was ongoing into all police conduct regulations.

"Paul Martin MSP Scottish Labour "[italic]We have the right to expect the best possible standards from police officers both when they are on and off duty," Mr Martin said. "Most of the time we get that from them, but the sanction against pensions should be investigated as a disciplinary measure in this instance."[/italic] Should that apply to MWPs, MSPs and MEPs too?

[quote][bold]Colin B[/bold] wrote: More admin on oepration walkies for Scotland's poor lazy, corrupt police officers- should be cracking down on corrupt police officers per article below- I can find no other case where three incidence of indencent assualt have escaped a custodia sentence- different law for coppers though- Fiscal could have porsecuted through High COurt not sheriff - bent bent bent. Also Victom ignored by Fiscal and Sheriff - which is not the law bent bent bent BBC 15/4/08 A woman who was sexually assaulted by an off-duty police officer has told the BBC she is "disgusted" that he has been allowed to keep his full pension. Pc Andrew Burt was allowed to retire on a full pension after being convicted of indecently assaulting three women. One of his victims, grandmother Alison McFarlane, 60, said Burt had been rewarded for his crimes. Labour community safety spokesman Paul Martin MSP called for Burt's pension to be cut by the maximum 65%. Married Burt, 50, would have lost his entire pension if he had been sacked by Lothian and Borders Police after being found guilty last October of assaulting the women at Cockenzie and Port Seton bowling club in East Lothian. I am angry that he has been allowed to be rewarded with a full pension after his misdemeanour Alison McFarlane He had denied the charges against him, claiming he had been too drunk to remember what happened. The constable was suspended from his duties after being sentenced to 150 hours community service and three' years probation. He was also placed on the Sex Offenders' Register. But he retired last month while an internal police investigation into his conduct was still ongoing. He has claimed his full pension for 30-years service with the police, which is understood to amount to about £16,000 every year. Mrs McFarlane said she and the other two female victims, a 21-year-old who was slapped on the bottom by Burt, and her 44-year-old mother who he grabbed between the legs, had been "let down" by the force. Disgraced officers She added: "I am angry that he has been allowed to be rewarded with a full pension after his misdemeanour. For him to try and fondle my breast is very degrading. "How come, when he was found guilty in court, and the police lawyer was there, did it take them five months for this to come round? "He was allowed to retire but he should have been sacked after the verdict. I do think something should have been done and I don't think he should be allowed to keep that money. "They say crime doesn't pay but it certainly has for Andrew Burt." Mr Martin said he had written to Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill to ask for measures to be put in place to prevent disgraced officers retiring before they are sacked. The sanction against pensions should be investigated as a disciplinary measure in this instance Paul Martin MSP Scottish Labour "We have the right to expect the best possible standards from police officers both when they are on and off duty," Mr Martin said. "Most of the time we get that from them, but the sanction against pensions should be investigated as a disciplinary measure in this instance." A Dumfries and Galloway police inspector had his pension cut by 65%, the maximum amount allowed, by the local police board after retiring following his conviction for raping two women while on duty. A spokesman for Lothian and Borders Police confirmed that Burt was no longer serving with the force. The spokesman said disciplinary procedures could only be taken against officers after the conclusion of any court proceedings. The Scottish Police Federation said no-one could defend what Burt had done but added that any officer who had completed 30-years of service was entitled to their police pension. The Scottish Government said it did not comment on individual cases but a spokesman said a review was ongoing into all police conduct regulations. [/quote] What has that got to do with dog owners? Go find a forum somewhere you ego-maniacal, thread hijacking tosspot

Hutt-City New Zealand[quote]Go find a forum somewhere you ego-maniacal, thread hijacking tosspot[/quote] LoL That about covers every Unionist, psuedo Unionist, faux Unionist, and Scot-hating weirdo on these forums.

Sounds common sense to me

Does this include owners letting their dogs crap everywhere and anywhere?? I'm fed up goin for a walk with my daughter and instead of admiring the scenery, my head is down looking at the pavement in front of me as I avoid all the turds strewn along it. It really annoys me.

Paul, Wardog and all Much as I am annoyed by the lazy dog owners who refuse to clean up after their pets, I am incensed at the mess being made by CATS. We have what appears to be an explosion of the beasts, and they are causing havoc amongst the garden birds, crapping in the flower beds and veg spaces(You tried to weed a bed with cat dirt in it?) and contrary to what folk say - they are filthy animals. Cat owners are downright lazy - letting them roam at will with no control. There are bad dog owners and bad kids too, but surely it is not too difficult to understand that ALL animals must be kept under control.YES that includes the kids!!!

Dear Thyme Kelpie, I keep my cats indoors. So no crapping in my garden or anyone else's. But actually the cats that do 'go' in your garden have chosen that spot because it feels soft under their bum and the nicely tilled earth bears more than a passing resemblance to fresh kitty litter. . Suggest you put down pine needles or cinnamon or orange peel - they'll soon find somewhere else to go. Before I had cats and so, understood them better, I would scoot any that wandered into my garden with a pump action water gun of the kids. Could scoot a cat sitting several gardens away with that! One more word. I'd far rather pick up cat's doings with my gardening gloves than a dog's which is invariably moist. Yeuch! PS You are using gardening gloves aren't you? No? When was your last tetanus jab? PPS When was the last time someone was mauled by a cat? Have seen a doberman pull its lead out of owners hand today. Said doberman then raced in front of traffic to bark and menace a smaller dog and its owner. Doberman's owner just walked away and she laughed when we called her attention to what her dog was doing. I say all success to getting on to those dog owners.

How much cash would be generated if we actually fined the "Dog owners" the £50 min fine for allowing their mutts to crap all over the public paths and playing fields ? Could we use the cash to fund say.....cheaper town car parks ?..... Free school milk.?... other sugestions.... Just an Idea !