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Weekend ban for under-21s in town’s off-sales
ALISON CAMPSIEMarch 29 2008

It could be the West Lothian answer.

As towns and cities across the country struggle to contain the problems of underage drinking and anti-social behaviour, one former mining community has come up with a potential solution.

Last night Armadale introduced its bold new policy on alcohol sales. Anyone aged under 21 will not be able to buy alcohol from off-licences between 5pm and 10pm on Fridays and Saturdays.

The plan is to stop young adults - known as "agents"

to police - buying alcohol for younger people and is seen as a key way in removing alcohol from the hands of those too young to buy it themselves.

It's a radical move, which has been under discussion by police, West Lothian Council, licensees and community leaders since December and comes into effect long before ministers decide whether or not to raise the legal purchase age of alcohol from 18.

While the authorities stress that Armadale is "no better or worse" than any other town in Scotland, the scale of the problem in the West Lothian town, which has a population of just in excess of 9000, is well recorded.

Since January, police were called out to almost 130 incidents of youth disorder, most of which were linked to alcohol in some way, according to police.

Up to 300 litres of alcohol have been confiscated from underage drinkers since November. "I Love Buckfast" is one piece of graffiti scrawled in the town centre.

Lynsey Love, 27, who has lived in Armadale all her life, said: "I wouldn't walk down the street at the weekend now. It's just crowds of young ones, loads of them, drinking and shouting. I still go to the pub sometimes, but if I do I would get a taxi home, and I only just live up the road.

"I work in A&E every second weekend and you see the damage it is doing to young people. I am glad they are trying to do something about it. It never used to be like this in Armadale."

The weekend begins early for young people across West Lothian, where secondary schools close at 12 noon and the streets fill with teenagers looking for something to do.

"It is this situation which has been a key driver in the new clampdown on underage drinking, said leader of West Lothian Council, Peter Johnston.

He said: "You have these teenagers coming out of school and there is nothing for them to do. They are hanging around off-licences, trying to get access to alcohol, and this is what's causing problems in the community." To fill the Friday afternoon void, the council has now offered free swimming sessions to teenagers to keep them away from the off-licence.

It is also looking at keeping schools open for sports and leisure clubs and has committed £250,000 to creating a range of programmes.

Shopkeepers were last night preparing themselves for the first night of the scheme, which is modelled on a similar project in Cleveland where the 21-rule is said to have led to a 65% reduction in antisocial behaviour.

Margaret Hunter, 57, a shopkeeper at Spar, said: "We are really strict when it comes to identification but it is the older people trying to buy it for the younger ones that is the problem.

"People can get a bit abusive if they have a drink in them. It does shock me when you see the state of the young ones.

"You wonder where they are getting the alcohol from."

Some young people between the ages of 18 and 20 have complained that the scheme is unfair on them, because they won't be able to buy drink despite being of legal age.

Mark McLeish, 20, a tyre fitter from Armadale, said: "You go to the pub after work on a Friday and then you go and buy some tins to take home from the shop.

"It think it's a bit unfair that I won't be able to do that, but I suppose I can just buy my drink a bit earlier than normal."

Police Constable Philip McIntosh, of the safer neighbourhoods team set up in response to antisocial behaviour in the area, said: "We're not banning alcohol, we are just asking those aged 18 and over to be more proactive and plan ahead so you don't need to buy it during these times."


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Posted by: jonny bond, glasgow on 12:08am Sat 29 Mar 08
It would seem simpler to ban buckie but they would sue companies are like that.
Posted by: jonny bond, glasgow on 12:12am Sat 29 Mar 08
Cleveland is in the usa where the drinking age is already 21 what is this muppet talking about how do you introduce a scheme which is already law. Why do I not believe the hype. Why can't this paper be checked for such stupidity from so called journalists who ignore the world around us to the point of infinite ignorance.
Posted by: Guga, Rockall on 12:37am Sat 29 Mar 08
The Cleveland mentioned in the article is the one in England. Maybe you should brush up on your geography before you start slagging off other people.
Posted by: Donald Anderson, glasgow on 3:11am Sat 29 Mar 08
Less Buckie for the Old Firm travellers today.
Posted by: wxalexander, canada on 4:44am Sat 29 Mar 08
In Charlotte, NC the drinking age is over 21 and has been for years. The alcohol providers check each drivers license to make sure. Otherwise the sellers can lose their license to sell liquor and they are liable if a drunk driver who obtained liquor from them kills someone or damages property.
Posted by: Cynica, Eaglesham on 10:27am Sat 29 Mar 08
This is not a one-way syreet.
Those purchasing the alcohol know very well that they are attempting to induce the seller to break the law.

Let's ensure that those buying, attempting to buy, or being in possession of, alcohol under the age of eighteen are facing prosecution too.

it might prove a sobering thought for some of them
Posted by: ubergeek, glasgow on 10:53am Sat 29 Mar 08
cut the booze and i bet you some other recreational drug will pop up and rear its ugly head. maybe these kids need something else to pre-occupy their minds?
Posted by: tris, scotland on 3:09pm Sat 29 Mar 08
The weekend begins early for young people across West Lothian, where secondary schools close at 12 noon and the streets fill with teenagers looking for something to do.
"It is this situation which has been a key driver in the new clampdown on underage drinking, said leader of West Lothian Council, Peter Johnston.


Why don't you open youth centres so that they have something to do.... ?
Posted by: Ian Johnston, Edinburgh on 3:09pm Sat 29 Mar 08
I wonder if there's a bit of a clue here:


The weekend begins early for young people across West Lothian, where secondary schools close at 12 noon and the streets fill with teenagers looking for something to do.


How about a radical approach to this, and having schools operate on Friday afternoons. Teachers could then do some of the "teaching" they are paid to do instead of swanning off for a nice long weekend.
Posted by: People Power, Glasgow on 12:49pm Sun 30 Mar 08

Everybody here with half a brain, never mind a whole one has enough common sense to see that legislation, and banning the sale of alcohol to under 21's whenever it is done will innevitably fail.

Like so many other pieces of new legislation - the law is simply being broken even more due to their un-enforceability.

Smoking indoors - in public spaces / places : I know of a letting agent where the staff still actively smoke, knowing they are breaking the law & plenty more cases no doubt.

Use of mobile phones whilst driving - Yes it is against the law NOT to use a handsfree set, but even then you can readily see drivers holding their phone, whilst trying to manage the steering wheel.

So, lets not kid ourselves here!

New laws are not the answer. And are the soft, easy and weak solution for a Government who cannot realise that it is about so much more.

Public re - education & giving school pupils the choices & answers to their questions. Information when it counts is the only answer.

Kids are far more sly, and devious these days - they are not as stupid as to be foiled or beaten by a silly piece of legislation - as:

1.) any shop keepers will still flout the law.

2.) And, friends & other grown ups can also buy / provide alcohol for them.

The solution as tris says is provision of something for them to do - or somewhere for them to hang out in. A place they can potentially influence the design of - and have a say in what goes in it - as well as being given a say in how it is run.

Once they understand that respect of others equals empowerment of themselves & what they can achieve, maybe then some of, if not all of them will try the alternatives, ( ie. youth groups - where they exist as well.

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