Scottish town launches under-21s alcohol ban
A small West Lothian town will today become the first in Scotland to ban the selling of alcohol to under-21s in off-sales.
The six-week pilot project in Armadale, West Lothian, begins tonight and is aimed at cutting anti-social behaviour.
All 11 off-sales shops in the town have agreed to withdraw the sale of alcohol to those under 21 between 5pm and 10pm on Fridays and Saturdays.
The plan is modelled on a similar initiative by Cleveland police, in the north-east of England.
This proved a success and became a permanent feature across several towns and villages.
It is a joint initiative between Lothian and Borders Police and West Lothian Council.
Councillor Isabel Hutton backed the project, saying: "This initiative will not prevent all youths getting hold of alcohol, but I am sure it will help in reducing alcohol-related, anti-social behaviour, and that will be beneficial to the Armadale community."
She added: "It's too early to say if this project will be rolled out across other areas in West Lothian but we will record and assess the results of this pilot project and consider the options."
Pc Phillip McIntosh said: "Youth disorder is often linked to alcohol, and Armadale is no different to any other town in West Lothian, or indeed Scotland, where a minority of young people can get their hands on alcohol and often leads to anti-social behaviour.
"Our intention is not only to limit under-age access to alcohol but to educate those who may have been involved in supplying alcohol to children that they are committing an offence."
A West Lothian Council spokesman stressed Armadale, with a population of around 9,000, had not been chosen because its alcohol-related problems were particularly bad.
Practical considerations, such as getting all the off-sales in the town to agree to the scheme, played a major role, he said.
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Posted by: Meep, Shawlands on 12:26pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Yipee!! Social engineering for the untermenschen!! "If we cant stop people having fun then we just use techniques of the Third Reich!!" Danke Schon mein fuhrer!!
Yipee!! Social engineering for the untermenschen!! "If we cant stop people having fun then we just use techniques of the Third Reich!!" Danke Schon mein fuhrer!!
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 12:33pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Meep Head Shawlands[quote]Yipee!! Social engineering for the untermenschen!! "If we cant stop people having fun then we just use techniques of the Third Reich!!" Danke Schon mein fuhrer!![/quote] Idiotic comment.
21 or under stops you getting served in any bar in America.
Meep Head Shawlands
Yipee!! Social engineering for the untermenschen!! "If we cant stop people having fun then we just use techniques of the Third Reich!!" Danke Schon mein fuhrer!!
Idiotic comment.
21 or under stops you getting served in any bar in America.
Posted by: tris, scotland on 1:04pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Population = 9000. Number of shops selling alcohol = 11
Is it just me, or do others find that's that quite a high number of shops per head?
Oh and Meep... there are other ways of having fun.... honest, there are!
Population = 9000. Number of shops selling alcohol = 11
Is it just me, or do others find that's that quite a high number of shops per head?
Oh and Meep... there are other ways of having fun.... honest, there are!
Posted by: JBlackley, Florida on 1:12pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Pc Phillip McIntosh said: "Our intention is ............. to educate those who may have been involved in supplying alcohol to children that they are committing an offence."
Er, wouldn't arresting them get the message across?
Pc Phillip McIntosh said: "Our intention is ............. to educate those who may have been involved in supplying alcohol to children that they are committing an offence."
Er, wouldn't arresting them get the message across?
Posted by: ex labour voter, glasgow on 1:15pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Los Angeles[/bold] wrote:
Meep Head Shawlands[quote]Yipee!! Social engineering for the untermenschen!! "If we cant stop people having fun then we just use techniques of the Third Reich!!" Danke Schon mein fuhrer!![/quote] Idiotic comment. 21 or under stops you getting served in any bar in America. [/quote] LA this is not America.
Los Angeles wrote:
Meep Head ShawlandsYipee!! Social engineering for the untermenschen!! "If we cant stop people having fun then we just use techniques of the Third Reich!!" Danke Schon mein fuhrer!!
Idiotic comment. 21 or under stops you getting served in any bar in America.
LA this is not America.
Posted by: Anne, Matt 5:37 on 1:35pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote]six-week pilot project in Armadale[/quote]
The teacher says: " Just let your word[italic] YES[/italic] mean YES, your [italic]NO[/italic], NO; ... ."
When in doubt, DO NOT![quote]quote[/quote]
six-week pilot project in Armadale
The teacher says: " Just let your word
YES mean YES, your
NO, NO; ... ."
When in doubt, DO NOT!
quote
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 1:42pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Meep[/bold] wrote:
Yipee!! Social engineering for the untermenschen!! "If we cant stop people having fun then we just use techniques of the Third Reich!!" Danke Schon mein fuhrer!![/quote] Well at least they were all sober unlike drunken Scots spending all their time down the boozer.
Meep wrote:
Yipee!! Social engineering for the untermenschen!! "If we cant stop people having fun then we just use techniques of the Third Reich!!" Danke Schon mein fuhrer!!
Well at least they were all sober unlike drunken Scots spending all their time down the boozer.
Posted by: Kinning Park Don, Glasgow, Scotland on 1:51pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Wullie[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Meep[/bold] wrote:
Yipee!! Social engineering for the untermenschen!! "If we cant stop people having fun then we just use techniques of the Third Reich!!" Danke Schon mein fuhrer!![/quote] Well at least they were all sober unlike drunken Scots spending all their time down the boozer.[/quote] Good to see the art of intellectual debate is alive and well.
Wullie wrote:
Meep wrote:
Yipee!! Social engineering for the untermenschen!! "If we cant stop people having fun then we just use techniques of the Third Reich!!" Danke Schon mein fuhrer!!
Well at least they were all sober unlike drunken Scots spending all their time down the boozer.
Good to see the art of intellectual debate is alive and well.
Posted by: daz, glasgow on 1:54pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Tris
Neep would rather the youngsters have fun by being put to work to build his much whined about subway extension right to his front door...er i mean ....to the southside....
Tris
Neep would rather the youngsters have fun by being put to work to build his much whined about subway extension right to his front door...er i mean ....to the southside....
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 1:55pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Ex Labour Voter[quote]LA this is not America.[/quote] Just pointing out another reality, one that isn't Weeburgh, Scotland.
Ex Labour Voter
LA this is not America.
Just pointing out another reality, one that isn't Weeburgh, Scotland.
Posted by: fee, Glasgow on 2:01pm Fri 28 Mar 08
No this is not America! I think the gradual americaniseation of this country is shocking. The idea seems to not to give anyone any responsiblity, therefore keep them in a state of dependance untill they're about 25. Anyone heard the phrase "arested development"
I do not think that raising the drinking age will make an ounce of differance. People who are going to drink underage are going to no matter what the legislation is. It will not solve the problem just push it further underground. In stead of 15 year olds hanging around outside haddows it will be 20 year old.
How are people suposed to develop a responsible attitude to drink if its made into a taboo and a forbiden fruit . The older generation are hardly a showing a good example.
e.g Walk up sauchiehall st on Friday or saturday night you see multipule examples of irresponsible drinking and drink related "anti-social behaviour", but none off these people are underage. In my oppinion it's the over 21 age group that are the real problem and they're attituteds are not going to be changed by raising the drinking age.
ah. rant over
No this is not America! I think the gradual americaniseation of this country is shocking. The idea seems to not to give anyone any responsiblity, therefore keep them in a state of dependance untill they're about 25. Anyone heard the phrase "arested development"
I do not think that raising the drinking age will make an ounce of differance. People who are going to drink underage are going to no matter what the legislation is. It will not solve the problem just push it further underground. In stead of 15 year olds hanging around outside haddows it will be 20 year old.
How are people suposed to develop a responsible attitude to drink if its made into a taboo and a forbiden fruit . The older generation are hardly a showing a good example.
e.g Walk up sauchiehall st on Friday or saturday night you see multipule examples of irresponsible drinking and drink related "anti-social behaviour", but none off these people are underage. In my oppinion it's the over 21 age group that are the real problem and they're attituteds are not going to be changed by raising the drinking age.
ah. rant over
Posted by: Graham, Larbert on 2:23pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Now the next problem ..ops ! , (forgot to be PC)...[italic]challenge[/italic] , is to stop the binge purchase of "the bevvy". Soon it I'll be, ..no you cant buy a six pack son ( he may be 19 ), .. ok then missus, just give me a buckie and a carly sb !
WHY DONT THE POLICE JUST GET OUT AND PATROL !
SURELY IT DOSE NOT TAKE AN MI5 UNDERCOVER UNIT TO SPOT THE OFFENDING SHOP SELLING TO UNDERAGE KIDS !
Now the next problem ..ops ! , (forgot to be PC)...
challenge , is to stop the binge purchase of "the bevvy". Soon it I'll be, ..no you cant buy a six pack son ( he may be 19 ), .. ok then missus, just give me a buckie and a carly sb !
WHY DONT THE POLICE JUST GET OUT AND PATROL !
SURELY IT DOSE NOT TAKE AN MI5 UNDERCOVER UNIT TO SPOT THE OFFENDING SHOP SELLING TO UNDERAGE KIDS !
Posted by: Alex Porter, Madrid on 3:12pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Rudloph Guilliani style policing. It cuts crime and your human rights too.
Rudloph Guilliani style policing. It cuts crime and your human rights too.
Posted by: hadenuff, ofthisdaftness on 3:39pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Waste of time , the 18 to 21 year old age group is not the priority for Off-Licence sales as these people can drink in pubs anyway.
Need to concentrate on the 13 to 18 year olds , that's where real progress can be made.
Waste of time , the 18 to 21 year old age group is not the priority for Off-Licence sales as these people can drink in pubs anyway.
Need to concentrate on the 13 to 18 year olds , that's where real progress can be made.
Posted by: hadenuff, ofthisdaftness on 3:39pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Waste of time , the 18 to 21 year old age group is not the priority for Off-Licence sales as these people can drink in pubs anyway.
Need to concentrate on the 13 to 18 year olds , that's where real progress can be made.
Waste of time , the 18 to 21 year old age group is not the priority for Off-Licence sales as these people can drink in pubs anyway.
Need to concentrate on the 13 to 18 year olds , that's where real progress can be made.
Posted by: arg1272, Glasgow on 4:14pm Fri 28 Mar 08
How is this possible without a change in the law of the entire country? How can you have a change in the law for one small town? This is a gross violation of the rights of 18-20 year olds in Armadale, who are not the ones causing the hassle anyway, that is the 14-17 year olds, who get booze bought for them by the 40-something alcoholics for the price of a can. It is nonsense.
How is this possible without a change in the law of the entire country? How can you have a change in the law for one small town? This is a gross violation of the rights of 18-20 year olds in Armadale, who are not the ones causing the hassle anyway, that is the 14-17 year olds, who get booze bought for them by the 40-something alcoholics for the price of a can. It is nonsense.
Posted by: jonny bond, glasgow on 4:14pm Fri 28 Mar 08
I might have sued them if my purchasing rights were affected it costs nothing to take a mingin off sales to the small claims court 18-21 year olds who as law stands just now can demand to be served the same alcohol as a 98 year old. I would go in with a tape recorder state my age of twenty after oredring £999 of bevvy and when she admitted to their draconian policy my statuatory rights would be impeded meaning they would have to give me the bevvy or face sanctions imposed by the courts.
I might have sued them if my purchasing rights were affected it costs nothing to take a mingin off sales to the small claims court 18-21 year olds who as law stands just now can demand to be served the same alcohol as a 98 year old. I would go in with a tape recorder state my age of twenty after oredring £999 of bevvy and when she admitted to their draconian policy my statuatory rights would be impeded meaning they would have to give me the bevvy or face sanctions imposed by the courts.
Posted by: jonny bond, glasgow on 4:16pm Fri 28 Mar 08
If that did not work Id be forced to take affirmative action as if the law of the land doesn't support you that is the only choice you have.
If that did not work Id be forced to take affirmative action as if the law of the land doesn't support you that is the only choice you have.
Posted by: jonny bond, glasgow on 4:17pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Protests outside the front door abuse of customers etc. would soon put them outa business.
Protests outside the front door abuse of customers etc. would soon put them outa business.
Posted by: jonny bond, glasgow on 4:18pm Fri 28 Mar 08
See how they like them apples.
See how they like them apples.
Posted by: daz, glasgow on 4:29pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]jonny bond[/bold] wrote:
See how they like them apples.[/quote] you might have heard this before - often in your case - but the offi might tell them to take their business elsewhere as the management reserve the right.
jonny bond wrote:
See how they like them apples.
you might have heard this before - often in your case - but the offi might tell them to take their business elsewhere as the management reserve the right.
Posted by: Publius, London on 4:57pm Fri 28 Mar 08
This is terrible news for our young people. They can have sex at 16 but they can't have a smoke afterwards. And now they can't hae a drink to psych themselves up first.
What a rotten lot of spoilsports run Armadale.
This is terrible news for our young people. They can have sex at 16 but they can't have a smoke afterwards. And now they can't hae a drink to psych themselves up first.
What a rotten lot of spoilsports run Armadale.
Posted by: JBlackley, Florida on 5:03pm Fri 28 Mar 08
jonny bond, I think you'll find that most, if not all, retail business have the right to refuse service to anyone they choose - for any reason.
jonny bond, I think you'll find that most, if not all, retail business have the right to refuse service to anyone they choose - for any reason.
Posted by: Robert Clark, London on 5:20pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]tris[/bold] wrote:
Population = 9000. Number of shops selling alcohol = 11 Is it just me, or do others find that's that quite a high number of shops per head? Oh and Meep... there are other ways of having fun.... honest, there are![/quote] No, tris, it's not just you - my very first thought was that 11 "offies" is a helluva lot for a wee place like Armadale.
Then again, isn't that part of West Lothian where all the Lottery winners are based?! In which case, the demand for champagne must be high.....
tris wrote:
Population = 9000. Number of shops selling alcohol = 11 Is it just me, or do others find that's that quite a high number of shops per head? Oh and Meep... there are other ways of having fun.... honest, there are!
No, tris, it's not just you - my very first thought was that 11 "offies" is a helluva lot for a wee place like Armadale.
Then again, isn't that part of West Lothian where all the Lottery winners are based?! In which case, the demand for champagne must be high.....
Posted by: Exiled Aussie, Banff on 5:23pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]hadenuff[/bold] wrote:
Waste of time , the 18 to 21 year old age group is not the priority for Off-Licence sales as these people can drink in pubs anyway. Need to concentrate on the 13 to 18 year olds , that's where real progress can be made.[/quote] Exactly - this is another [bold]TARTAN TORY[/bold] gimmick to deflect attention from the overall shambles of Diminutive, Little Fish and espec MacSwindell !!
hadenuff wrote:
Waste of time , the 18 to 21 year old age group is not the priority for Off-Licence sales as these people can drink in pubs anyway. Need to concentrate on the 13 to 18 year olds , that's where real progress can be made.
Exactly - this is another
TARTAN TORY gimmick to deflect attention from the overall shambles of Diminutive, Little Fish and espec MacSwindell !!
Posted by: jonny bond, glasgow on 5:27pm Fri 28 Mar 08
So our statuatory rights are just a fiction that seems wrong to me but then I'm not a lawyer who has been trained for years to understand what the law actually means. I thought this type of action is as ageist as denying an old fuddy duddy a job cause of his age. I am over thirty by the way not somebody likely to be affected I am just saying if I and friends gathered outside the offy in question and harraunged legaly their over 21 customers into not shopping there ie take their business elsewhere and sign a petition against this draconian establishment they would lose a lot of money and would have little protection from the courts police. Lets see how they like them apples.
So our statuatory rights are just a fiction that seems wrong to me but then I'm not a lawyer who has been trained for years to understand what the law actually means. I thought this type of action is as ageist as denying an old fuddy duddy a job cause of his age. I am over thirty by the way not somebody likely to be affected I am just saying if I and friends gathered outside the offy in question and harraunged legaly their over 21 customers into not shopping there ie take their business elsewhere and sign a petition against this draconian establishment they would lose a lot of money and would have little protection from the courts police. Lets see how they like them apples.
Posted by: jonny bond, glasgow on 5:31pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Also with 11 offies there is no shortage of competition to choose from. They might only have to walk a few hundred yards. If I owned the offie in question and was daft enough to insist on this rule my mind might well be changed by a legal protest that hurt my bottom line business such as a crew of protestors that I couldnt sell alcohol to outside my premises.
Also with 11 offies there is no shortage of competition to choose from. They might only have to walk a few hundred yards. If I owned the offie in question and was daft enough to insist on this rule my mind might well be changed by a legal protest that hurt my bottom line business such as a crew of protestors that I couldnt sell alcohol to outside my premises.
Posted by: jonny bond, glasgow on 5:35pm Fri 28 Mar 08
daz how is that going to stop a protest on their doorstep.
daz how is that going to stop a protest on their doorstep.
Posted by: Rock Lobster, North o the Tay on 5:51pm Fri 28 Mar 08
More laws to be broken, more people in jail.
The kids are only copying their peers.
It's the peers that need educating.
Is'nt that right George.
More laws to be broken, more people in jail.
The kids are only copying their peers.
It's the peers that need educating.
Is'nt that right George.
Posted by: daz, glasgow on 6:29pm Fri 28 Mar 08
11 off sales, but if it does'nt include supermarkets - thats a hell'va lot!
11 off sales, but if it does'nt include supermarkets - thats a hell'va lot!
Posted by: JBlackley, Florida on 6:32pm Fri 28 Mar 08
jonny bond, exactly what 'statutory rights' are you talking about?
As far as I'm aware, there is no 'statutory right' forcing a retailer to sell you their goods.
jonny bond, exactly what 'statutory rights' are you talking about?
As far as I'm aware, there is no 'statutory right' forcing a retailer to sell you their goods.
Posted by: sandra, edmonton canada on 7:16pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Who approved that amount of licenses anyway? Don't you think the local council has some responsibility here?
Who approved that amount of licenses anyway? Don't you think the local council has some responsibility here?
Posted by: jonny bond, glasgow on 7:36pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Ask a lawyer what statuatory rights are all I know is that my statuatory rights are not affected in any way. There is no law stopping legal protest outside a retailer on the streets that our taxes pay to sweep. As I mentioned trying to make money when protests are going on is a tough sell ask the chinese who were stupid enough to let journalists into tibet. You wont see a thing in this paper about how han chinese were dressed as monks and showing off injuries. Just wait till the opening ceremonies when everybody is too ashamed to turn up except the dicatators
Ask a lawyer what statuatory rights are all I know is that my statuatory rights are not affected in any way. There is no law stopping legal protest outside a retailer on the streets that our taxes pay to sweep. As I mentioned trying to make money when protests are going on is a tough sell ask the chinese who were stupid enough to let journalists into tibet. You wont see a thing in this paper about how han chinese were dressed as monks and showing off injuries. Just wait till the opening ceremonies when everybody is too ashamed to turn up except the dicatators
Posted by: Observer, Glasgow on 7:43pm Fri 28 Mar 08
These off sales will just be corner shops with a few bottles as well. This won't make a **** bit of difference. If the ones causing the problems want drink they will get their cargos somewhere else or will stockpile it at times they can buy it. This is stupid and an insult to the vast majority of U21's who can take a drink and not cause a nuisance. Why don't the Polis do their jobs and the Council cut back the number of licenses instead of stigmatising every young person.
These off sales will just be corner shops with a few bottles as well. This won't make a **** bit of difference. If the ones causing the problems want drink they will get their cargos somewhere else or will stockpile it at times they can buy it. This is stupid and an insult to the vast majority of U21's who can take a drink and not cause a nuisance. Why don't the Polis do their jobs and the Council cut back the number of licenses instead of stigmatising every young person.
Posted by: Jock in the Box, edinburgh on 8:14pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Exiled Aussie, Banff
this is another TARTAN TORY gimmick ????????????
Do you mean TARTAN as opposed to XXX Lager or Heavy or Cider etc?
I think you have been taking the slogan Get Younger every day too literally.
Of course you may actually be that stupid,since every posting you ever put in contains exactly the same intellectual input (NONE)
Exiled Aussie, Banff
this is another TARTAN TORY gimmick ????????????
Do you mean TARTAN as opposed to XXX Lager or Heavy or Cider etc?
I think you have been taking the slogan Get Younger every day too literally.
Of course you may actually be that stupid,since every posting you ever put in contains exactly the same intellectual input (NONE)
Posted by: Alan C., Shetland on 8:47pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote]daz, glasgow on 6:29pm today
11 off sales, but if it does'nt include supermarkets - thats a hell'va lot![/quote]
daz, supermarkets that sell alcohol are "off sales" just like any other, so I would assume any supermarkets in the town are included in the 11.
Having said that, it's still a non starter if 18 to 20 year olds can simply get their "stash" at 4.45pm.
But as has already been said by others, how can this ban be legal?
daz, glasgow on 6:29pm today
11 off sales, but if it does'nt include supermarkets - thats a hell'va lot!
daz, supermarkets that sell alcohol are "off sales" just like any other, so I would assume any supermarkets in the town are included in the 11.
Having said that, it's still a non starter if 18 to 20 year olds can simply get their "stash" at 4.45pm.
But as has already been said by others, how can this ban be legal?
Posted by: Observer, Glasgow on 9:08pm Fri 28 Mar 08
It's not legal it's voluntary. Which indicates to me the Offies know as well as we do they won't lose a penny. U21's have watches unless they are going to consfiscate them.
It's not legal it's voluntary. Which indicates to me the Offies know as well as we do they won't lose a penny. U21's have watches unless they are going to consfiscate them.
Posted by: Alastair, Aberdeen on 9:43pm Fri 28 Mar 08
What's up Dame Edna Everidge of Banff? This has to be the most desperate comment you've posted yet! Clutching at straws I see ;-)
What's up Dame Edna Everidge of Banff? This has to be the most desperate comment you've posted yet! Clutching at straws I see ;-)
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 10:03pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote]FAKE AUSSIE[/quote] [bold] I AM BRAIN DEAD. DO NOT RESUSCITATE[/bold]
FAKE AUSSIE
I AM BRAIN DEAD. DO NOT RESUSCITATE Posted by: Exiled Aussie, Banff on 10:21pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Jock in the Box[/bold] wrote:
Exiled Aussie, Banff this is another TARTAN TORY gimmick ???????????? Do you mean TARTAN as opposed to XXX Lager or Heavy or Cider etc? I think you have been taking the slogan Get Younger every day too literally. Of course you may actually be that stupid,since every posting you ever put in contains exactly the same intellectual input (NONE)[/quote] Like [bold]TARTAN TORY[/bold] ? - says it al chum, cos that's what you are, as Wendy lathered you with today !
Jock in the Box wrote:
Exiled Aussie, Banff this is another TARTAN TORY gimmick ???????????? Do you mean TARTAN as opposed to XXX Lager or Heavy or Cider etc? I think you have been taking the slogan Get Younger every day too literally. Of course you may actually be that stupid,since every posting you ever put in contains exactly the same intellectual input (NONE)
Like
TARTAN TORY ? - says it al chum, cos that's what you are, as Wendy lathered you with today !
Posted by: Exiled Aussie, Banff on 10:24pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Los Angeles[/bold] wrote:
[quote]FAKE AUSSIE[/quote] [bold] I AM BRAIN DEAD. DO NOT RESUSCITATE[/bold] [/quote] Poor wee soul - cant even a [bold]TARTA N TORY[/bold] habv an afterlife ?
Los Angeles wrote:
FAKE AUSSIE
I AM BRAIN DEAD. DO NOT RESUSCITATE
Poor wee soul - cant even a
TARTA N TORY habv an afterlife ?
Posted by: tris, scotland on 10:56pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Exiled Aussie[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]hadenuff[/bold] wrote: Waste of time , the 18 to 21 year old age group is not the priority for Off-Licence sales as these people can drink in pubs anyway. Need to concentrate on the 13 to 18 year olds , that's where real progress can be made.[/quote] Exactly - this is another [bold]TARTAN TORY[/bold] gimmick to deflect attention from the overall shambles of Diminutive, Little Fish and espec MacSwindell !![/quote]
Well, I doubt it. It is based on an idea for Cleveland in N E England....
Nothing Taran about that.
Do they have kangaroos where you come from?
Exiled Aussie wrote:
hadenuff wrote: Waste of time , the 18 to 21 year old age group is not the priority for Off-Licence sales as these people can drink in pubs anyway. Need to concentrate on the 13 to 18 year olds , that's where real progress can be made.
Exactly - this is another TARTAN TORY gimmick to deflect attention from the overall shambles of Diminutive, Little Fish and espec MacSwindell !!
Well, I doubt it. It is based on an idea for Cleveland in N E England....
Nothing Taran about that.
Do they have kangaroos where you come from?
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 10:57pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote]FAKE AUSSIE[/quote] [bold]I AM BRAIN DEAD - DO NOT RESUSCITATE[/bold]
FAKE AUSSIE
I AM BRAIN DEAD - DO NOT RESUSCITATE Posted by: Observer, Glasgow on 11:17pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]tris[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Exiled Aussie[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]hadenuff[/bold] wrote: Waste of time , the 18 to 21 year old age group is not the priority for Off-Licence sales as these people can drink in pubs anyway. Need to concentrate on the 13 to 18 year olds , that's where real progress can be made.[/quote] Exactly - this is another [bold]TARTAN TORY[/bold] gimmick to deflect attention from the overall shambles of Diminutive, Little Fish and espec MacSwindell !![/quote] Well, I doubt it. It is based on an idea for Cleveland in N E England.... Nothing Taran about that. Do they have kangaroos where you come from?[/quote] Maybe he was the prototype for this stem cell research half man half kangaroo ?
tris wrote:
Exiled Aussie wrote: hadenuff wrote: Waste of time , the 18 to 21 year old age group is not the priority for Off-Licence sales as these people can drink in pubs anyway. Need to concentrate on the 13 to 18 year olds , that's where real progress can be made.
Exactly - this is another TARTAN TORY gimmick to deflect attention from the overall shambles of Diminutive, Little Fish and espec MacSwindell !!
Well, I doubt it. It is based on an idea for Cleveland in N E England.... Nothing Taran about that. Do they have kangaroos where you come from?
Maybe he was the prototype for this stem cell research half man half kangaroo ?
Posted by: subrosa on 11:18pm Fri 28 Mar 08
This is a great idea. The adults of this town are leading by example. Good for them.
This is a great idea. The adults of this town are leading by example. Good for them.
Posted by: bob mckay, glasgow on 11:37pm Fri 28 Mar 08
By raising the bar to 21, all dodgy 16-18 year olds are nailed. Reduced STDs, teenage pregnancy, assaults. All you teenage libertarians above are talking excrement- most of you will be publicans or in the pay of the brewing industry. As an nation of alkies ( anyone see Mr Kennedy on TV last night CRINGE) anything which reduces our appetite for booze has to be very good.
By raising the bar to 21, all dodgy 16-18 year olds are nailed. Reduced STDs, teenage pregnancy, assaults. All you teenage libertarians above are talking excrement- most of you will be publicans or in the pay of the brewing industry. As an nation of alkies ( anyone see Mr Kennedy on TV last night CRINGE) anything which reduces our appetite for booze has to be very good.
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