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Police form centralised unit in bid to avoid single force
LUCY ADAMS, Chief ReporterMarch 28 2008

EXCLUSIVE By Lucy Adams

Scotland's chief constables have come together to create a new centralised unit dealing with homicides and other major crimes in an attempt to avoid moves to merge the country's forces.

The unit, which is expected to cost more than £200,000 a year and will be based near Edinburgh, will pull together a detailed national database of specialist expertise in areas such as complex homicides, natural disaster and public order.

Although the centre will only have three or four staff, it will be able to put senior investigators in touch with relevant officers across Scotland as and when they are required.

The aim will be to ensure that all eight forces have access to a pool of highly skilled officers to cope with a range of difficult cases or major events, such as the 2014 Commonwealth Games.

The idea for the unit came from a review of the eight forces' capacity and capability following discussions in England and Wales about amalgamating forces that had fewer than 4000 officers.

The review, which was conducted by Ian Latimer, chief constable of Northern, looked at the eight forces' ability to deal with a range of issues.

In addition to the new unit, which will be overseen by Lothian and Borders police on a day-to-day basis, The Herald understands that forces including Tayside, Fife and Central are making arrangements to share specialist resources such as mobile firearms response units.

Peter Wilson, chief constable of Fife and spokesman for the crime committee of the Association of Chief Police Officers in Scotland, said: "It is about making sure we use our resources to the best possible advantage without duplicating unnecessarily.

"We recognise that we could better co-ordinate the number of people who have certain skills.

"The outcome intended is that the collaborative working of all eight forces will be able to rely on others and to ensure that at any time we have enough specialists trained in Scotland if we need to work across force boundaries."

Chief constables north of the Border have been fighting moves to merge all Scotland's forces into one or amalgamate services.

Paddy Tomkins, Her Majesty's Inspector of Constabulary, has made it clear he would prefer to see one force and the creation of the Scottish Police Services Authority (SPSA) last year led to increasing disquiet about unspoken plans to centralise the forces.

Mr Wilson said: "We believe this will also provide cost savings as it will mean certain forces will not have to train up officers in certain areas. We will still look for expertise from further afield.

"This is not about us becoming parochial. Currently, for example, the expert on prostitute murders would come from Suffolk, but it is about having a way of recording that centrally rather than relying on people's memories.

"This is not just about homicides and is not about smaller forces getting help from bigger forces. It is much broader than that and I think it will evolve in line with usage."

Force heads have become increasingly concerned in recent months about so-called "land-grabbing" by the SPSA, the body set up by the previous administration to offer centralised support services.

Although plans to amalgamate forces in England and Wales were rejected, the idea is still mooted in Scotland from time to time.

Unsolved murders

  • Scotland has 49 unsolved murders.

  • Strathclyde police has 31 unsolved homicides which took place a year ago or more.

  • The most infamous case remains that of Bible John whose three victims - Patricia Docker, Mima McDonald and Helen Puttock - were all from Glasgow.

  • There are four unsolved murders in Grampian, the oldest being the case of Brenda Page who was killed in Aberdeen in July 1978.

  • Lothian and Borders has nine unsolved cases. The killings of David McMenigall in 1966 and Helen Kane in 1970 also remain unresolved.

  • Fife and Tayside constabularies have one outstanding homicide each.

  • Policing in crisis

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    Posted by: Cambiblue, Glasgow on 7:42am Fri 28 Mar 08
    One Scotland Many Police Forces

    A population of 5M only needs one Force which would save millions in cutting the chiefs and allow more indias on the streets
    Posted by: fatzdomingo, Glasgow on 8:19am Fri 28 Mar 08
    Oh joy! To stave off losing their well paid meaningless positions the chiefs have banded together and created a detailed national database staffed by four punters. Well I will feel safer in general knowing that this database will leap to my defence when being accosted by some housebreaking little thug. About bloody time we amalgamated every last one of them. No replication in cost and resources, Every polis accountable to one board, the best of the best hopefully being promoted without the benefit of masonic dinner parties, and an end to bloody politically corrected polis attempting to be all things including social workers. Whatever happened to "we catch crooks?"
    Posted by: muz73, in the hoose on 8:48am Fri 28 Mar 08
    'being promoted without the benefit of masonic dinner parties, and an end to bloody politically corrected polis'

    Couple of small points re this, I've just retired as a Constable, I repeat Constable, despite being a Mason and a season ticket holder at Ibrox to boot (threw that in to show you my full credentials). Why do people persist with this ludicrous notion that promotions in the police service are carried out because of a 'handshake'. The modern police service is 'riddled' with non-masons and females, hence one of the reasons for the marked diminution in the service provided for the public.

    Secondly I take your point re PC polis, it would be a joy to be able to carry out the duties of Constable in an effective and proactive manner, but hey the police are a public service and over the years have been forced to embrace the liberalism foisted on the country by succesive socialist governments.

    There is no doubt in my mind this announcement is an exercise in self- preservation, but in the grand scheme of things it is a recognition that a degree of centralised co-ordination is now necessary.
    Posted by: billalba, Fife on 12:07pm Fri 28 Mar 08
    Cambiblue...unfortun
    ately we would still end up with as many chief constables and higher ranks....look at the military, one admiral for each ship.
    Posted by: JBlackley, Florida on 2:15pm Fri 28 Mar 08
    I think a reorganisation of Scotland's police forces is long overdue but let's not look at it solely as a means to reduce overhead. There are other aspects of the many forces that could use a fresh look also.

    One board - for a population of five or six million people - is surely adequate. One hierarchy likewise and one reporting line from that board and that hierarchy to Scotland's government.

    But why confine it to the top? Why not a root-and-branch review of how the police force operates? How many and where should police stations be? How many foot patrols? What about walk-in centres in shopping areas?

    How about a police force designed to serve a twenty-first century population?
    Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 4:37pm Fri 28 Mar 08

    Blackley Flouride
    How about a police force designed to serve a twenty-first century population?
    It is happening; old solutions are being reviewed or overturned, not that you'd see it from where you sit.

    Posted by: allymax, yuk on 4:53pm Fri 28 Mar 08
    so the cops have come up with a brilliant plan to save their own high salaried ****, employ 4 people and call it a centralised scotland police force. This is lunacy. Moreover, desparation in-cognito. A waste of more taxpayers money employing 4 more admin' staff to do work that is already being done by their own eight local forces.

    Nah, ONE NATIONAL POLICE SERVICE, AND NOTHING ELSE.
    Posted by: JBlackley, Florida on 5:11pm Fri 28 Mar 08
    los angeles, thank you for your response to my comment - at least, I believe it was to my comment as your difficulty with copying makes it hard to determine.

    I'm very glad to hear that "it's happening" and look forward to seeing some reports of it beyond your assertions. As to "where I sit" I'd be most interested in your - apparently - informed opinion of "where I sit" and equally interested in what that means.
    Posted by: tris, scotland on 8:12pm Fri 28 Mar 08
    billalba wrote:
    Cambiblue...unfortun ately we would still end up with as many chief constables and higher ranks....look at the military, one admiral for each ship.

    I think it's currently running at 4 admirals per ship isn't it?

    The one thing we never seem to do is sack the top brass. They will sit around twiddling fingers, designing new uniforms and logos and mission statements, picking out new carpets and generally getting in the way of progress, while picking up large salaries, fat cat pensions and expenses the likes of you and I could only ever dream of.

    Oh to have been born with connections.
    Posted by: Strathturret, Montrose on 8:48pm Fri 28 Mar 08
    At the very least we need to get rid of Central Police, probably Fife and D&G.

    Sound like top brass are circling the wagons. The unsolved murders in Scotland are a disgrace. In a small country like this we should have no organised crime. We should know who they are and lock them up. And their lawyers and accountants!
    Posted by: allymax, yuk on 8:32pm Sat 29 Mar 08
    'Strathturret', why not get rid of tayside police, they are the ones responsible for corruption in tayside. They'll nick you for anything, actually they'll nick you for nothing. They don't care if you get a criminal record for not actually committing a crime. Why do they do it? Well, they have to show they are earning their fat salaries and benefits; they have to justify their existence! These police are the one that are the corrupt in our society. it was mentioned they, tayside police, robbed the 'Rowntree' pub a few years back. And they tried to cover it up with a cover-up campaign that went right to the top. They also were far too heavy-handed at Gleneagles, beating the crap out of men, women, and children, that protested the G8 summit. There was no need for them to do that, but police chief tony vine got a gong from bliar for doing it.

    ONE CENTRALISED POLICE SERVICE THAT IS ACCOUNTABLE TO THE PUBLIC.
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