‘Cavalier’ Salmond is rapped over Trump row
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| 'CAVALIER IN HIS ACTIONS': Alex Salmond |
Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond was "cavalier" in his actions over a controversial planning application by US tycoon Donald Trump, according to a damning Holyrood report.
Mr Salmond showed "exceptionally poor judgment" at best and "a worrying lack of awareness about the consequences of his actions" , a committee of MSPs said.
Last night, however, the inquiry into the way ministers handled Mr Trump's application for a £1bn golf resort in Aberdeenshire had broken down into a ruthlessly partisan exercise.
The 55-page report produced by the parliament's local government committee was unusual in Holyrood terms in the way it carried dissenting positions on almost every paragraph. The three SNP MSPs on the committee dissented from the most critical findings.
Duncan McNeil, the committee convener, felt justified in saying that the First Minister had been "extremely unwise" to get involved in the Trump saga.
He also referred to "a lack of a sufficient audit trail and consideration of the issues at hand" and a decision on the Menie Estate based on "five-minute phone calls".
This gave the committee grounds for its full report.
The report came up with the key verdict: "The committee believes that far from taking a precautionary approach, the First Minister was cavalier in his actions and displayed, at best, exceptionally poor judgment and a worrying lack of awareness about the consequences of his actions."
The committee said it did not accept the Trump development was of "national importance," nor that it was of such significance as to merit "one in a million" treatment. The report suggested that the purpose of the Trump meeting with Mr Salmond and the chief planner on December 3 and 4 was not to seek advice on legal processes but to emphasise the Trump Organisation's concern at the November 29 refusal of planning permission and to ask if Mr Salmond could set up a meeting with chief planner Jim MacKinnon.
The majority of MSPs on the committee said they were "very concerned" that John Swinney did not obtain legal or official advice in writing before deciding to call in the application. They said it was clear that the application was called in because it had been refused, adding: "It is the view of the committee that the Cabinet Secretary acted inappropriately and potentially opened his decision to legal challenge."
In their criticism of Mr Salmond, the MSPs said that as a constituency MSP for Gordon he was not obliged to meet Trump's representatives, had no particular planning expertise, and could have declined to meet them.
He had never acted in this way on any other development, had no detailed knowledge of the planning process, and acknowledged he was constrained in what he could discuss.
Given all this, said the report, it was "astonishing" that Mr Salmond did not perceive there was a risk his actions might be open to question and that there could be a legal action.
Aberdeen North SNP MSP Brian Adam said: "The report is a political exercise and nothing more - the last gasp of an opposition grudge. The whole thing has just descended into farce and split down party lines.
"The world has moved on since this time- and money-wasting fishing exercise, which found nothing and caught nothing.The report is embarrassing and contradictory."
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Posted by: macgilleleabhar, Aberdeenshire. on 10:42pm Thu 13 Mar 08
[quote]The world has moved on since this time- and money-wasting fishing exercise, which found nothing and caught nothing[/quote]
Not even a sleaze, just unionists with "Shot foot syndrome".
The world has moved on since this time- and money-wasting fishing exercise, which found nothing and caught nothing
Not even a sleaze, just unionists with "Shot foot syndrome".
Posted by: wee folding bike on 10:44pm Thu 13 Mar 08
So... they couldn't find Salmond did anything wrong matter how hard they tried.
So... they couldn't find Salmond did anything wrong matter how hard they tried.
Posted by: Luigi, Aberdeen on 10:45pm Thu 13 Mar 08
DID HE BREAK THE LAW ?
Posted by: macgilleleabhar, Aberdeenshire on 10:49pm Thu 13 Mar 08
[quote]Luigi, Aberdeen on 10:45pm today
DID HE BREAK THE LAW ?[/quote]
Do you mean as in Wendy Alexander?
Luigi, Aberdeen on 10:45pm today
DID HE BREAK THE LAW ?
Do you mean as in Wendy Alexander?
Posted by: Luigi, Aberdeen on 10:51pm Thu 13 Mar 08
"A damning Holyrood report" ? yeah right!
So it took 5 weeks and 55 pages of bullshiiit to save their sorry faces?
PATHETIC
"A damning Holyrood report" ? yeah right!
So it took 5 weeks and 55 pages of bullshiiit to save their sorry faces?
PATHETIC
Posted by: wee folding bike on 10:53pm Thu 13 Mar 08
There was a throwaway line on Newsnight Scotland a few days ago where they said that the Police had admitted there was enough evidence to pursue Wendy but the crown office had decided not to. This was the first time I heard of the Police being involved in any of Wendy's law breaking escapades.
It's worth saying again, Salmond didn't do anything wrong and these bams are at it.
There was a throwaway line on Newsnight Scotland a few days ago where they said that the Police had admitted there was enough evidence to pursue Wendy but the crown office had decided not to. This was the first time I heard of the Police being involved in any of Wendy's law breaking escapades.
It's worth saying again, Salmond didn't do anything wrong and these bams are at it.
Posted by: Alex Porter, Madrid on 10:55pm Thu 13 Mar 08
These people are a scourge on Scotland. The way they behave is an embarrassment. I remember when I was young thinking there was something magical about politicians. These people who have persued Salmonf for nothing just because they can are imbeciles. They represent the reason why people are cynical about the political process. So glad Salmond has risen the SNP above all this gutter-sniping. Scotland deserves so much better!
These people are a scourge on Scotland. The way they behave is an embarrassment. I remember when I was young thinking there was something magical about politicians. These people who have persued Salmonf for nothing just because they can are imbeciles. They represent the reason why people are cynical about the political process. So glad Salmond has risen the SNP above all this gutter-sniping. Scotland deserves so much better!
Posted by: george alexander, north lanarkshire on 10:56pm Thu 13 Mar 08
This contrived nonsense was always about balancing the sorry state that Wendy Alexander had got herself into. The Unionists needed something to replace the Wendy story, hence the unbelievable focus by the scottish media on innuendo, false accusations and smears.
Remember that these baseless accusations were headlined almost verbatim for weeks without scrutiny. Nicol Stephen in particular was at one point almost out of control.
We knew that the Scottish press would headline any criticism of Salmond from this 'inquiry' so I am not surprised. However, these so called critical conclusions have no more substance than the original smears and are no better than bitter asides.
They found nothing, they couldn't bring themselves to simply say they found nothing and have revealed themselves for the small minded people they are.
This contrived nonsense was always about balancing the sorry state that Wendy Alexander had got herself into. The Unionists needed something to replace the Wendy story, hence the unbelievable focus by the scottish media on innuendo, false accusations and smears.
Remember that these baseless accusations were headlined almost verbatim for weeks without scrutiny. Nicol Stephen in particular was at one point almost out of control.
We knew that the Scottish press would headline any criticism of Salmond from this 'inquiry' so I am not surprised. However, these so called critical conclusions have no more substance than the original smears and are no better than bitter asides.
They found nothing, they couldn't bring themselves to simply say they found nothing and have revealed themselves for the small minded people they are.
Posted by: Kerr Out!, East Kilbride on 10:57pm Thu 13 Mar 08
Truly cringeworthy, can't wait for the next election!
Truly cringeworthy, can't wait for the next election!
Posted by: macgilleleabhar, Aberdeenshire on 10:57pm Thu 13 Mar 08
From the report main points on BBC,
[quote]The decision making process of Aberdeenshire Council was appropriate and valid, and that the decision of its infrastructure committee to reject the application, albeit highly controversial, was competent[/quote]
Why did the Lib Dems kick their own councillor off the Infrastructure Committe if that was the case ?
From the report main points on BBC,
The decision making process of Aberdeenshire Council was appropriate and valid, and that the decision of its infrastructure committee to reject the application, albeit highly controversial, was competent
Why did the Lib Dems kick their own councillor off the Infrastructure Committe if that was the case ?
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 10:58pm Thu 13 Mar 08
[quote]Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond was "cavalier" in his actions over a controversial planning application by US tycoon Donald Trump,[/quote] Haha!
[bold]We took bets on another forum how it would come out and be headlined. We got it right[/bold] .
The committee divided on party lines. What else would they do?
NO money changed hands, No sleaze, NO hookers to sweeten deals, just a wrap on the knuckles for daring to see it as a project in the national interest.
[bold]Will they are idiots. As a matter of course, lesser projects have been called in under Labour - and rightly so - but without hullabaloo given to Trump's project.[/bold]
Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond was "cavalier" in his actions over a controversial planning application by US tycoon Donald Trump,
Haha!
We took bets on another forum how it would come out and be headlined. We got it right .
The committee divided on party lines. What else would they do?
NO money changed hands, No sleaze, NO hookers to sweeten deals, just a wrap on the knuckles for daring to see it as a project in the national interest.
Will they are idiots. As a matter of course, lesser projects have been called in under Labour - and rightly so - but without hullabaloo given to Trump's project.
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 11:02pm Thu 13 Mar 08
[quote]The decision making process of Aberdeenshire Council was appropriate and valid, and that the decision of its infrastructure committee to reject the application, albeit highly controversial, was competent[/quote] Where did this paragraph appear in the report - in small print in the appendix?
The decision making process of Aberdeenshire Council was appropriate and valid, and that the decision of its infrastructure committee to reject the application, albeit highly controversial, was competent
Where did this paragraph appear in the report - in small print in the appendix?
Posted by: Luigi, Aberdeen on 11:06pm Thu 13 Mar 08
This pathetic headline was inevitable, I suppose. The labour-media are still smarting that the Scottish government decided to opt for a public Inquiry - it's obvious now that Salmond has completely out-manouvered them yet again - they were so looking forward to blasting him for undemocratically deciding the outcome of this development proposal when shock horror - he puts it to the people. These labour-media fools are really really nasty but they are just not in the same league as Salmond and co. More fool them for playing Salmond on his terms (will they ever realise how effectively they have been neutralised)?
This pathetic headline was inevitable, I suppose. The labour-media are still smarting that the Scottish government decided to opt for a public Inquiry - it's obvious now that Salmond has completely out-manouvered them yet again - they were so looking forward to blasting him for undemocratically deciding the outcome of this development proposal when shock horror - he puts it to the people. These labour-media fools are really really nasty but they are just not in the same league as Salmond and co. More fool them for playing Salmond on his terms (will they ever realise how effectively they have been neutralised)?
Posted by: macgilleleabhar, Aberdeenshire on 11:12pm Thu 13 Mar 08
Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 11:02pm today[
quote]Where did this paragraph appear in the report - in small print in the appendix?[/quote]
Dont know maybe some BBC hack read it between the lines!
Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 11:02pm todayWhere did this paragraph appear in the report - in small print in the appendix?
Dont know maybe some BBC hack read it between the lines!
Posted by: Kent, Edinburgh on 11:15pm Thu 13 Mar 08
No sleaze, no backhanders, no dodgy deals, no corruption, no illegal actions…
Just competent management of our country.
The Lib Dems and the Labour party must be gutted.
Now, can someone remind me again who is it that has their snouts in the trough?
No sleaze, no backhanders, no dodgy deals, no corruption, no illegal actions…
Just competent management of our country.
The Lib Dems and the Labour party must be gutted.
Now, can someone remind me again who is it that has their snouts in the trough?
Posted by: Graham, Glasgow on 11:16pm Thu 13 Mar 08
LA AND OTHER SNP numpties. Well done Alec Salmond for getting work into Scotland or indeed anywhere else in Britain. Thats what he is paid to do and hopefully it will happen. I have no complaint to make about any covert behind the scene action that is taken . It happens in all countries. We have to live with the big broon envelope culture. Although I do not think this is the case in this instance. So once again well done wee Alec.[bold]bold[/bold]
LA AND OTHER SNP numpties. Well done Alec Salmond for getting work into Scotland or indeed anywhere else in Britain. Thats what he is paid to do and hopefully it will happen. I have no complaint to make about any covert behind the scene action that is taken . It happens in all countries. We have to live with the big broon envelope culture. Although I do not think this is the case in this instance. So once again well done wee Alec.
Posted by: Alex Porter, Madrid on 11:26pm Thu 13 Mar 08
Now the Scotsman is trying to associate Salmond with Iran with a tabloid -type sensationalist front page splash. The Scottish media is an abomination. I personally now see these newspapers as enemy propaganda.
Journalists are no longer able to say that their papers are balanced at all. It is time for journalists to express the opinion that these papers act in an anti-democratic way. This behaviour can't be laughed off anymore - it's far too serious for that.
Now the Scotsman is trying to associate Salmond with Iran with a tabloid -type sensationalist front page splash. The Scottish media is an abomination. I personally now see these newspapers as enemy propaganda.
Journalists are no longer able to say that their papers are balanced at all. It is time for journalists to express the opinion that these papers act in an anti-democratic way. This behaviour can't be laughed off anymore - it's far too serious for that.
Posted by: Alex Porter, Madrid on 11:29pm Thu 13 Mar 08
'Wendy Cleared' but 'Salmond Rapped' - how can these people call themselves professionals?
'Wendy Cleared' but 'Salmond Rapped' - how can these people call themselves professionals?
Posted by: lasrian, Tain on 11:30pm Thu 13 Mar 08
Mmm, the headline should have been "One Billion Pound Investment Not of National Importance!"... What a joke.
Mmm, the headline should have been "One Billion Pound Investment Not of National Importance!"... What a joke.
Posted by: Kent, Edinburgh on 11:31pm Thu 13 Mar 08
Graham wrote, “We have to live with the big broon envelope culture”
No we don’t and that’s why the Labour party are finished in Scotland as people have seen through the nepotism and self greed of your discredited party.
It’s an incredible mindset you have.
Graham wrote, “We have to live with the big broon envelope culture”
No we don’t and that’s why the Labour party are finished in Scotland as people have seen through the nepotism and self greed of your discredited party.
It’s an incredible mindset you have.
Posted by: Graham, Glasgow on 11:32pm Thu 13 Mar 08
AP Madrid.11:26pm. I think witch burning could be on the agenda after reading the Scotsman. It just goes to show that bigotry is still on the agenda of the Papist Church. Vigilance is required. Decent Catholics should send Mr Devine into retirement and get on with preaching the faith.[bold]bold[/bold]
AP Madrid.11:26pm. I think witch burning could be on the agenda after reading the Scotsman. It just goes to show that bigotry is still on the agenda of the Papist Church. Vigilance is required. Decent Catholics should send Mr Devine into retirement and get on with preaching the faith.
Posted by: Graham, Glasgow on 11:35pm Thu 13 Mar 08
Kent,11:31. Whit party are ye talking aboot![bold]bold[/bold]
Kent,11:31. Whit party are ye talking aboot!
Posted by: democrate, central Scotland on 11:39pm Thu 13 Mar 08
Nice little bit of irony that when an inquiry finds no evidence of law-breaking, the accused is "rapped", but when the accused admits breaking the law, there is "exoneration" and criminal proceedings do not ensue. It's a funny old world.
Nice little bit of irony that when an inquiry finds no evidence of law-breaking, the accused is "rapped", but when the accused admits breaking the law, there is "exoneration" and criminal proceedings do not ensue. It's a funny old world.
Posted by: Graham, Glasgow on 11:45pm Thu 13 Mar 08
Kent,11:31pm. I have a realistic mindset, I do not like it but it has always! been a fact of live.[bold]bold[/bold]
Kent,11:31pm. I have a realistic mindset, I do not like it but it has always! been a fact of live.
Posted by: Andrew BOD, Aberdeen on 11:54pm Thu 13 Mar 08
Just watched Newsnicht.
Martin Ford never misses a request for interview. I guess he's a celebrity now. Anything to advance his own agenda.
And then we had two LibLab members of the Sleaze Committee trying to justify their existence. As Gordon Brewer said: no rules were broken, no law was broken, what did the committee find? Nothing. [bold]I'll tell you what the public found of the Committee:
1. GUILTY of wasting taxpayers money
2. GUILTY of tarnishing Scotland's name with their petty-mindedness
3. GUILTY of embarrassing Scotland with their anti-investment stance[/bold]
And what of Nicol Stephen with his 'whiff of sleaze' comment that started the ball rolling? He should be ashamed of himself.
Just watched Newsnicht.
Martin Ford never misses a request for interview. I guess he's a celebrity now. Anything to advance his own agenda.
And then we had two LibLab members of the Sleaze Committee trying to justify their existence. As Gordon Brewer said: no rules were broken, no law was broken, what did the committee find? Nothing.
I'll tell you what the public found of the Committee:
1. GUILTY of wasting taxpayers money
2. GUILTY of tarnishing Scotland's name with their petty-mindedness
3. GUILTY of embarrassing Scotland with their anti-investment stance
And what of Nicol Stephen with his 'whiff of sleaze' comment that started the ball rolling? He should be ashamed of himself.
Posted by: democrate, central Scotland on 12:01am Fri 14 Mar 08
How much has this posturing by the Committee, and Nicol Stephen's sensitive nose, cost us?
How much has this posturing by the Committee, and Nicol Stephen's sensitive nose, cost us?
Posted by: subrosa on 12:11am Fri 14 Mar 08
It's not only how much this McNeil & Co fishing expedition has cost us financially but how much has it cost us in reputation? Of course, for labour reputation involves money, nothing but money.
Shame on them for bringing our country down.
It's not only how much this McNeil & Co fishing expedition has cost us financially but how much has it cost us in reputation? Of course, for labour reputation involves money, nothing but money.
Shame on them for bringing our country down.
Posted by: Andrew Buchan, Kincardineshire on 12:16am Fri 14 Mar 08
WHERE'S THE SLEAZE???
There's nothing here. After using how much taxpayers' money to conduct this so-called inquiry, what do we know? Nothing new. This report is just full of the opinions of a load of tumshies I'd be ashamed to have in my neepshed.
Duncan McNeil and Nicol Stephen should apologise.
WHERE'S THE SLEAZE???
There's nothing here. After using how much taxpayers' money to conduct this so-called inquiry, what do we know? Nothing new. This report is just full of the opinions of a load of tumshies I'd be ashamed to have in my neepshed.
Duncan McNeil and Nicol Stephen should apologise.
Posted by: jomellon, Lodève, France on 12:16am Fri 14 Mar 08
Scottish Media find evidence that Salmond responsible for Titanic sinking... "I always knew it" said Nicol Stephen. The Scotsman calls for death penalty.
"Wendy Cleared" of being most embarrassing politician since George Foulkes. "It is a witchhunt, there are plenty of other Labour politicians just as embarrassing as Wendy" said a source close to Alexander, called Jackie.
Douglas Alexander shoots Tommy Sheridan live on Newsnight: the prosecution service say however "It would not be appropriate to prosecute in the full context of the circumstances"
Ahhh... they don't leave much room for the parody, do they?
Scottish Media find evidence that Salmond responsible for Titanic sinking... "I always knew it" said Nicol Stephen. The Scotsman calls for death penalty.
"Wendy Cleared" of being most embarrassing politician since George Foulkes. "It is a witchhunt, there are plenty of other Labour politicians just as embarrassing as Wendy" said a source close to Alexander, called Jackie.
Douglas Alexander shoots Tommy Sheridan live on Newsnight: the prosecution service say however "It would not be appropriate to prosecute in the full context of the circumstances"
Ahhh... they don't leave much room for the parody, do they?
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 12:17am Fri 14 Mar 08
Well done Robin Dumbwoodie. The cheque is in the post from liebour HQ . I think the going rate is £995.
Well done Robin Dumbwoodie. The cheque is in the post from liebour HQ . I think the going rate is £995.
Posted by: Mac Coinnich on 12:17am Fri 14 Mar 08
If I ever meet Nicol Stephen he'll wish I hadn't! A complicit perfidious prize rat bag from the party of spliters & opportunists-drop dead along with that sleekit wretch Tavish Scott, scum bags!!!!!
If I ever meet Nicol Stephen he'll wish I hadn't! A complicit perfidious prize rat bag from the party of spliters & opportunists-drop dead along with that sleekit wretch Tavish Scott, scum bags!!!!!
Posted by: Davy, Erskine on 12:26am Fri 14 Mar 08
The report is embarassing and contradictory, Aye just like Alexander, Baillie. Gordon, McNeil, and the rest of the rabble are to Scotland.
The report is embarassing and contradictory, Aye just like Alexander, Baillie. Gordon, McNeil, and the rest of the rabble are to Scotland.
Posted by: richard, west lothian on 12:28am Fri 14 Mar 08
Please can we have a general election soon?
The sooner we vote for a majority of S.N.P. M.P.s and get independence the better, I don't think I can take much more of this!
Please can we have a general election soon?
The sooner we vote for a majority of S.N.P. M.P.s and get independence the better, I don't think I can take much more of this!
Posted by: jomellon, Lodève, France on 12:32am Fri 14 Mar 08
83 million pound Sheridan enquiry discovers "damning" fingerprint evidence that Gail Sheridans second cousins next door neighbours daughter pinched 50p from her mothers purse three years ago. "We fully intend to pursue this serious crime to the full extent of the law" a Lothian police spokesperson said.
Ah, sorry, I can't do as well as Dinwoodie and the Scotsman...
I just wonder:
- who do they think they are fooling?
- what do they get out of it? A promise of an exclusive interview with Wendy? A nice chair and a whisky at the next Labour party conference? Planning permission from the council and a nice wee plot of land from a friendly property developer?
83 million pound Sheridan enquiry discovers "damning" fingerprint evidence that Gail Sheridans second cousins next door neighbours daughter pinched 50p from her mothers purse three years ago. "We fully intend to pursue this serious crime to the full extent of the law" a Lothian police spokesperson said.
Ah, sorry, I can't do as well as Dinwoodie and the Scotsman...
I just wonder:
- who do they think they are fooling?
- what do they get out of it? A promise of an exclusive interview with Wendy? A nice chair and a whisky at the next Labour party conference? Planning permission from the council and a nice wee plot of land from a friendly property developer?
Posted by: Graham, Glasgow on 12:34am Fri 14 Mar 08
The one person with different names SNP shock troops are out in force tonight. What can you not take more of Richard. Numpties.[bold]bold[/bold]
The one person with different names SNP shock troops are out in force tonight. What can you not take more of Richard. Numpties.
Posted by: Jwil, Lanarkshire on 12:34am Fri 14 Mar 08
This report just demonstrates that these parliamentary committees are not the correct forums to conduct this sort of enquiry. The report is so partisan it can have no credibility. The opposition MSPs say one thing the government MSPs say another how can this be objective?
(Apparently Tavish Scott said on the radio tonight that the Trump affair wasn't sleeze).
This report just demonstrates that these parliamentary committees are not the correct forums to conduct this sort of enquiry. The report is so partisan it can have no credibility. The opposition MSPs say one thing the government MSPs say another how can this be objective?
(Apparently Tavish Scott said on the radio tonight that the Trump affair wasn't sleeze).
Posted by: Oscar on 12:39am Fri 14 Mar 08
[italic]"The 55-page report produced by the parliament's local government committee was unusual in Holyrood terms in the way it carried dissenting positions on almost every paragraph."[/italic]
Actually this isn't too bad a report from Mr Dunwoodie.
[italic]"The committee said it did not accept the Trump development was of "national importance," nor that it was of such significance as to merit "one in a million" treatment."[/italic]
We can only assume they'd have said the same thing if Jock MacDonald and his helicopter taxi service had been still involved.
"The 55-page report produced by the parliament's local government committee was unusual in Holyrood terms in the way it carried dissenting positions on almost every paragraph."
Actually this isn't too bad a report from Mr Dunwoodie.
"The committee said it did not accept the Trump development was of "national importance," nor that it was of such significance as to merit "one in a million" treatment."
We can only assume they'd have said the same thing if Jock MacDonald and his helicopter taxi service had been still involved.
Posted by: Jock Politicaljunkie, Glasgow on 12:41am Fri 14 Mar 08
So, to focus on the facts and not the rhetoric of this report:
Alex did not break ANY law or breach ANY guideline.
Whereas we all know Wendy broke the Law several times and got off with it.
Going back to the begining of this whole Trump affair, I think it is quite clear from the quiet dumping of Martin Ford by the Libdums, that this is all their fault.
Why oh why did they ever appoint that luddite, environmentalist to such a sensitive, not to mention powerful post?!? Want to set up a Soya Farm? - Go right ahead!! A Golf Course? - Oh no, that might disturb a dozen sandunes. Yes, I know we've got thousands of them but tough.
(Oh, and by the way - I know that you can't grow soya beans in a climate like Aberdeen - it's a metaphor)
So, to focus on the facts and not the rhetoric of this report:
Alex did not break ANY law or breach ANY guideline.
Whereas we all know Wendy broke the Law several times and got off with it.
Going back to the begining of this whole Trump affair, I think it is quite clear from the quiet dumping of Martin Ford by the Libdums, that this is all their fault.
Why oh why did they ever appoint that luddite, environmentalist to such a sensitive, not to mention powerful post?!? Want to set up a Soya Farm? - Go right ahead!! A Golf Course? - Oh no, that might disturb a dozen sandunes. Yes, I know we've got thousands of them but tough.
(Oh, and by the way - I know that you can't grow soya beans in a climate like Aberdeen - it's a metaphor)
Posted by: richard, west lothian on 12:43am Fri 14 Mar 08
Graham, Glasgow
Labour, Libdem and Tory unionist numpties with the collaboration of the print and broadcast media destroying democracy and slowly killing Scotland with ineptitude,mendacity and sleaze.
Graham, Glasgow
Labour, Libdem and Tory unionist numpties with the collaboration of the print and broadcast media destroying democracy and slowly killing Scotland with ineptitude,mendacity and sleaze.
Posted by: Graham, Glasgow on 12:52am Fri 14 Mar 08
Mendacity Richard ooohhhh. The SNP are Tories Richard. Wakey Wakey.[bold]bold[/bold]
Mendacity Richard ooohhhh. The SNP are Tories Richard. Wakey Wakey.
Posted by: richard, west lothian on 1:00am Fri 14 Mar 08
Graham, Glasgow
I've voted S.N.P. since the 70's. I think I would know if they were Tory by now, don't you?
Also from Dundee hardly a Tory city but it sure as hell is an S.N.P. ONE!
You're just a thick Labour chimp being fed a line, DUPE.
Graham, Glasgow
I've voted S.N.P. since the 70's. I think I would know if they were Tory by now, don't you?
Also from Dundee hardly a Tory city but it sure as hell is an S.N.P. ONE!
You're just a thick Labour chimp being fed a line, DUPE.
Posted by: Graham, Glasgow on 1:00am Fri 14 Mar 08
Jwil, 12:34. It was not sleeze, it was business. You SNP LOT SHOULD REALISE THAT WEE Alec has to do business for Scotland. Wee Alec knows this but his supporters are on a moral trip outwith the real World. If you wake up I might vote SNP! Only kidding the dead do not wake up!![bold]bold[/bold]
Jwil, 12:34. It was not sleeze, it was business. You SNP LOT SHOULD REALISE THAT WEE Alec has to do business for Scotland. Wee Alec knows this but his supporters are on a moral trip outwith the real World. If you wake up I might vote SNP! Only kidding the dead do not wake up!!
Posted by: bob mckay, glasgow on 1:01am Fri 14 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Wullie[/bold] wrote:
Well done Robin Dumbwoodie. The cheque is in the post from liebour HQ . I think the going rate is £995.[/quote] away and mug some mutton
Wullie wrote:
Well done Robin Dumbwoodie. The cheque is in the post from liebour HQ . I think the going rate is £995.
away and mug some mutton
Posted by: BIG G, Fa kirk on 1:03am Fri 14 Mar 08
What the hell did anyone expect ?
next time Wendy gets cought out let her find out the hard way
what its like to be tried by a bunch of kangeroos rather than a bunch of fence sitters armed with whitewash brushes!
On politics now tonights Des Mc nutty said although there was no proof that Salmond had done anything wrong there was only a perception .Is a perception by a parcel of rogues that impropriety had taken place worse that a person admitting that she had broken the law and the fact that some of her collegues had mislead the public ? A WORD TO THE WISE WENDY , NICOLE & Co
Dont laugh to soon, this hatchet job is going to come back to haunt you!
What the hell did anyone expect ?
next time Wendy gets cought out let her find out the hard way
what its like to be tried by a bunch of kangeroos rather than a bunch of fence sitters armed with whitewash brushes!
On politics now tonights Des Mc nutty said although there was no proof that Salmond had done anything wrong there was only a perception .Is a perception by a parcel of rogues that impropriety had taken place worse that a person admitting that she had broken the law and the fact that some of her collegues had mislead the public ? A WORD TO THE WISE WENDY , NICOLE & Co
Dont laugh to soon, this hatchet job is going to come back to haunt you!
Posted by: Astonished, Inverclyde on 1:05am Fri 14 Mar 08
How can you fight back against the Herald's obvious bias? Why not send a cheque to SNP HQ and point out it is for Inverclyde SNP ? Even if it is for 50p - it would help in getting rid of Labour and all their empty promises.
All the media outlets agreed not to interview Duncan ("Donkey") McNeil because it would embarrass the Labour party. (He is called "Donkey " because he knows HEE-HAW).
Look at the figures- in Inverclyde (yes, I mean die-hard Labour Inverclyde) he is likely to lose - if he stands ? Your 50p could make all the difference - so get your own back, read the Herald online and send 50p to get rid of Donkey. Go on - make Alf Young suffer.
How can you fight back against the Herald's obvious bias? Why not send a cheque to SNP HQ and point out it is for Inverclyde SNP ? Even if it is for 50p - it would help in getting rid of Labour and all their empty promises.
All the media outlets agreed not to interview Duncan ("Donkey") McNeil because it would embarrass the Labour party. (He is called "Donkey " because he knows HEE-HAW).
Look at the figures- in Inverclyde (yes, I mean die-hard Labour Inverclyde) he is likely to lose - if he stands ? Your 50p could make all the difference - so get your own back, read the Herald online and send 50p to get rid of Donkey. Go on - make Alf Young suffer.
Posted by: clochoderic, renfrashur on 1:13am Fri 14 Mar 08
Wendy has already done the Tesco supermarket deal - cashback all round!
Wendy has already done the Tesco supermarket deal - cashback all round!
Posted by: BIG G, Fa kirk on 1:14am Fri 14 Mar 08
I dont know if I am unique in the fact that I buy the herald and occasionally contribute on line. I doubt it
After todays headline I dont know if I will bother putting my hand in my pocket to buy it for month. I am sure that if there were a couple of thousand like me who all did the same
the headlines might well change in attitude!
I dont know if I am unique in the fact that I buy the herald and occasionally contribute on line. I doubt it
After todays headline I dont know if I will bother putting my hand in my pocket to buy it for month. I am sure that if there were a couple of thousand like me who all did the same
the headlines might well change in attitude!
Posted by: Graham, Glasgow on 1:23am Fri 14 Mar 08
Richard, 1:00am. Of course Richard only you would know! Well the Drug Capital of Dundeeeeeee would vote SNP THAT IS NORMALLY what happens when intoxicants are available.[bold]bold[/bold]
Richard, 1:00am. Of course Richard only you would know! Well the Drug Capital of Dundeeeeeee would vote SNP THAT IS NORMALLY what happens when intoxicants are available.
Posted by: Astonished, Inverclyde on 2:02am Fri 14 Mar 08
Big G, I expect that you are astonishingly clever, domestically- able, stunningly good looking ...etc,... However unless you donate to Inverclyde SNP I doubt the Herald will change its headlines.
HERE'S HOPING FOR A 65P DONATION !
CHEERS ALL !
Big G, I expect that you are astonishingly clever, domestically- able, stunningly good looking ...etc,... However unless you donate to Inverclyde SNP I doubt the Herald will change its headlines.
HERE'S HOPING FOR A 65P DONATION !
CHEERS ALL !
Posted by: Samoyed, Costa del Menie on 2:18am Fri 14 Mar 08
The Nothing, the whole Nothing and nothing but the Nothing.
Price for the Gentlemen! Well done people! Your salaries have been justified this month, keep up with the good work.
An independant Scotland will be aeternally grateful for all your efforts, you are the best support the SNP PR machine could dream about.
The Nothing, the whole Nothing and nothing but the Nothing.
Price for the Gentlemen! Well done people! Your salaries have been justified this month, keep up with the good work.
An independant Scotland will be aeternally grateful for all your efforts, you are the best support the SNP PR machine could dream about.
Posted by: Boggle fey the Bog, North Bank o' ra Clyde jist South o' ra Drum on 4:40am Fri 14 Mar 08
I had hoped that The Herald, who of recent had been demonstrating some return to fair and objective reporting, would carry on in the same vein.
Unfortunately, however, it would appear that it is backsliding down the road of it's arch rival in Auld Reekie.
I do hope that this is only a temporary glitch, and that the Illustrious Editor et al, will mend their ways and return to the standard of journalism that the [italic][bold]'Glasgow Herald'[/bold] [/italic] was famous for, maybe it's all got to do with 'that' name change, who knows.
Maybe the 'banner' should have been [italic][bold]'Holyrood Committee, under the leadership of Failed Labour Politician Duncan McNeil today issued a 'split decision' inquiry, proving that they are just as incompetent in opposition as they were in Government --- Salmond found to be innocent, if a bit Nationalistic'[/bold][/italic]
I had hoped that The Herald, who of recent had been demonstrating some return to fair and objective reporting, would carry on in the same vein.
Unfortunately, however, it would appear that it is backsliding down the road of it's arch rival in Auld Reekie.
I do hope that this is only a temporary glitch, and that the Illustrious Editor et al, will mend their ways and return to the standard of journalism that the
'Glasgow Herald' was famous for, maybe it's all got to do with 'that' name change, who knows.
Maybe the 'banner' should have been
'Holyrood Committee, under the leadership of Failed Labour Politician Duncan McNeil today issued a 'split decision' inquiry, proving that they are just as incompetent in opposition as they were in Government --- Salmond found to be innocent, if a bit Nationalistic' Posted by: pencildick on 4:54am Fri 14 Mar 08
How about John Swinney cancelling the public enquiry now that the high and mighty have spoken.
Lets get the thing built and bugger these political morons.
How about John Swinney cancelling the public enquiry now that the high and mighty have spoken.
Lets get the thing built and bugger these political morons.
Posted by: Tumshie McPlum, Outside the Neep Shed on 5:16am Fri 14 Mar 08
Andrew Buchan 12:16am
"This report is just full of the opinions of a load of tumshies I'd be ashamed to have in my neepshed."
Ah wid hiftae agree wi that.
Ah sur am gittin mighty tired wi' the Heralds Spoofy Headlines.
The Labour partys' spoofy agenda dis nout fur me neither.
3 Cheers fur the tumshies.
Andrew Buchan 12:16am
"This report is just full of the opinions of a load of tumshies I'd be ashamed to have in my neepshed."
Ah wid hiftae agree wi that.
Ah sur am gittin mighty tired wi' the Heralds Spoofy Headlines.
The Labour partys' spoofy agenda dis nout fur me neither.
3 Cheers fur the tumshies.
Posted by: Donald Anderson, glasgow on 5:40am Fri 14 Mar 08
The rile of the Unionists in Scotland is to unashamedly oppose anything in the (Scotland's) national interest.
The rile of the Unionists in Scotland is to unashamedly oppose anything in the (Scotland's) national interest.
Posted by: george alexander, north lanarkshire on 6:47am Fri 14 Mar 08
Well the 'Unionist Trollfest' (The Scotsman) have now upped the anti in the local Income tax deficit, it is now apparently £1 billion.
Oh, and Salmond wasn't just 'Rapped' by the 'kangeroo court' he was apparently 'Slated'.
How pathetic are these Unionists?
Well the 'Unionist Trollfest' (The Scotsman) have now upped the anti in the local Income tax deficit, it is now apparently £1 billion.
Oh, and Salmond wasn't just 'Rapped' by the 'kangeroo court' he was apparently 'Slated'.
How pathetic are these Unionists?
Posted by: Conway on 7:39am Fri 14 Mar 08
Come on "Herald" cant we get some honest unbiased reporting ,if its not pro SNP its pro Labour and vis versa ,doesnt anyone print facts anymore ?
Come on "Herald" cant we get some honest unbiased reporting ,if its not pro SNP its pro Labour and vis versa ,doesnt anyone print facts anymore ?
Posted by: Vronsky, Scotland on 7:55am Fri 14 Mar 08
It's a funny old world. Salmond rapped for not breaking the law: that's what the headline says.
It's possible to take a more positive view of this, albeit it in a rather back-handed way. Salmond will be aware, if we wasn't before, that his will be the most scrutinised government in history - and I mean all world history. That will mean not putting a foot wrong, anywhere, ever. One slip, even the suggestion of a slip, and the media will be all over him. Never before will the fourth estate have been so vigilant and so uncompromising in its pursuit of probity. So long as we have an SNP government, Scotland will have the cleanest politics on the planet.
Return to Labour/LabDim of course, and the press will mothball its scruples, and the fat cats and fat brown envelopes will be back, as unremarked as they were before.
It's a funny old world. Salmond rapped for not breaking the law: that's what the headline says.
It's possible to take a more positive view of this, albeit it in a rather back-handed way. Salmond will be aware, if we wasn't before, that his will be the most scrutinised government in history - and I mean all world history. That will mean not putting a foot wrong, anywhere, ever. One slip, even the suggestion of a slip, and the media will be all over him. Never before will the fourth estate have been so vigilant and so uncompromising in its pursuit of probity. So long as we have an SNP government, Scotland will have the cleanest politics on the planet.
Return to Labour/LabDim of course, and the press will mothball its scruples, and the fat cats and fat brown envelopes will be back, as unremarked as they were before.
Posted by: dave, north on 7:56am Fri 14 Mar 08
thankfuly the press is becoming far less effective at subverting democracy as its readership declines.as the independence movement grows bigger by the day even the best efforts of the bbc wont be enough to derail this train
thankfuly the press is becoming far less effective at subverting democracy as its readership declines.as the independence movement grows bigger by the day even the best efforts of the bbc wont be enough to derail this train
Posted by: Oscar on 8:04am Fri 14 Mar 08
There you go [bold]One[/bold] whole [bold]POUND[/bold] a month to know you're helping to rid Scotland of backward neanderthals like Duncan MacNeil.
You know it makes sense.
(https://www.snp.org
/about/join-in.html)
There you go
One whole
POUND a month to know you're helping to rid Scotland of backward neanderthals like Duncan MacNeil.
You know it makes sense.
(https://www.snp.org
/about/join-in.html)
Posted by: McSomeone, Scotland on 8:18am Fri 14 Mar 08
"O, would, or I had seen the day
That Treason thus could sell us,
My auld grey head had lien in clay
Wi' Bruce and loyal Wallace!
But pith and power, till my last hour
I'll mak this declaration :-
'We're bought and sold for American gold'--
Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!"
It seems that money still Trumps honour and integrity.
"O, would, or I had seen the day
That Treason thus could sell us,
My auld grey head had lien in clay
Wi' Bruce and loyal Wallace!
But pith and power, till my last hour
I'll mak this declaration :-
'We're bought and sold for American gold'--
Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!"
It seems that money still Trumps honour and integrity.
Posted by: Oscar on 8:26am Fri 14 Mar 08
What MacMoney?
Posted by: dws on 8:32am Fri 14 Mar 08
Well, it was to be expected. Salmond acts in the way he did, he's being "cavalier". If he hadn't acted, he'd have been 'incompetent' in 'not acting in the best interests of his constituency'.
[quote]Mr Salmond showed "exceptionally poor judgment" at best and "a worrying lack of awareness about the consequences of his actions" , a committee of MSPs said.
[/quote]
Translation: Yer dam'ned if ye do, and dam'ned if ye don't. We'll get ye either way - welcome tae OOR politics, ya bam.
Well, it was to be expected. Salmond acts in the way he did, he's being "cavalier". If he hadn't acted, he'd have been 'incompetent' in 'not acting in the best interests of his constituency'.
Mr Salmond showed "exceptionally poor judgment" at best and "a worrying lack of awareness about the consequences of his actions" , a committee of MSPs said.
Translation: Yer dam'ned if ye do, and dam'ned if ye don't. We'll get ye either way - welcome tae OOR politics, ya bam.
Posted by: spagan, heisker, scotland on 8:38am Fri 14 Mar 08
Previous First Minister flies around in Trump's helicopter taking pictures of Bridget, Kirsty, Stirling Cooncil and Arran.
Current FM bangs heads together to try to get some jobs for Scotland.
Slainte Mhor
Previous First Minister flies around in Trump's helicopter taking pictures of Bridget, Kirsty, Stirling Cooncil and Arran.
Current FM bangs heads together to try to get some jobs for Scotland.
Slainte Mhor
Posted by: ex labour voter, glasgow on 8:54am Fri 14 Mar 08
[quote][bold]spagan[/bold] wrote:
Previous First Minister flies around in Trump's helicopter taking pictures of Bridget, Kirsty, Stirling Cooncil and Arran. Current FM bangs heads together to try to get some jobs for Scotland. Slainte Mhor[/quote] Spot on .
The labour sleaze mob are a joke they continue to make complete fools of themselves every time they throw FALSE allegations at the SNP government, will they never learn? Just because liebour are run on sleaze and corruption, illegal donations, lies, and scaremongering does not mean the SNP are on a par with them.
It seems labour cannot accept this.
spagan wrote:
Previous First Minister flies around in Trump's helicopter taking pictures of Bridget, Kirsty, Stirling Cooncil and Arran. Current FM bangs heads together to try to get some jobs for Scotland. Slainte Mhor
Spot on .
The labour sleaze mob are a joke they continue to make complete fools of themselves every time they throw FALSE allegations at the SNP government, will they never learn? Just because liebour are run on sleaze and corruption, illegal donations, lies, and scaremongering does not mean the SNP are on a par with them.
It seems labour cannot accept this.
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