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Oh well good on him, pity there isn't more like him

[quote][bold]megz[/bold] wrote: Oh well good on him, pity there isn't more like him[/quote] There is. Look again at the mug-shot. Wendy with a haircut?

[quote][bold]Cynicus[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]megz[/bold] wrote: Oh well good on him, pity there isn't more like him[/quote] There is. Look again at the mug-shot. Wendy with a haircut?[/quote] LOL - Superb Check oot the comparison at [bold]http://tinyurl.com/2 ctkow[/bold]

If you want a better laugh tune in to lesley riddoch on radio Scotland who interviewed this pillock you will get on play again link!

Even better Tavish Scott on the same programme finished his interview by advising the Scottish people to vote snp SERIOUSLY!

Mr Clegg said "The shadow cabinet cannot operate effectively unless the principal of collective responsibility is maintained". In other words do as your told or resign and get out. These three resigned on a matter of principle and well done to them for standing up to their bosses. Shame about the rest of the poodles at Westminster. These people have no guts ,no backbone , no moral fibre, and yet they are our so called leaders. INDEPENDENCE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE PLEASE

So where's the poodle's principles in refusing a referendum for Scotland?

So where's the poodle's principles in refusing a referendum for Scotland?

This reflects just what is wrong in politics: these folk are elected to show the wishes of their constituents and not the orders of some 'leader'. The latter course always gives us a legislature of the politicians choices, rather than politicians serving - as they continually claim to - their electorate.

Try as I might, I still can't figure out why he ordered his MPs to abstain.

Neo Labour and his fence sitting Lib Dem comrades are guilty of a gross act of treason. I strongly believe that Gordon Brown should face being hanged, drawn and quartered for his crimes against the British people. The Home Secretary, Mrs Smith, should be burned at the stake for her treachery. We won't forget. Someday, these crimnals will be brought to trial, Tony Blair included. The EU elite will never succeed. There will always be a significant level of resistance among the freedom loving Brits. Let's abolish the pro-EU monarchy. Why don't we kick these parasites out of their plush palaces?

Is Clegg fatally damaged? In my opinion he is. Alistair Carmichael does have principles, but it was rather odd to listen to his interview on Radio Scotland last night where he was trying to say that the whole affaif had not damaged Clegg's leadership. This tarnished his principled stand in my view when clearly it has.

Let's get this straight: The Liberal Democrats believe that the people should freely choose their constitution and their form of government. (That is liberal democracy, in a nutshell.) The Liberal Democrats want a referendum on the UK's membership of the EU, and (I imagine) are willing to argue a positive case in favour of it. They accept that the will of the people should prevail. [bold]Yet the Liberal Democrats are opposed to a referendum on Scotland's membership of the UK.[/bold] When asked about this, Nicol Stephen famously replied that they were not in favour of independence, so they were not in favour of havng a referendum on it. It is not going over the top to suggest that Nicol Stephen doesn't know what the term 'liberal democrat' actually means.

[quote][bold]Donald Anderson[/bold] wrote: So where's the poodle's principles in refusing a referendum for Scotland?[/quote] Donald A At last...you've found something that's worth saying twice

[quote][bold]Wardog[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Cynicus[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]megz[/bold] wrote: Oh well good on him, pity there isn't more like him[/quote] There is. Look again at the mug-shot. Wendy with a haircut?[/quote] LOL - Superb Check oot the comparison at [bold]http://tinyurl.com/2 ctkow[/bold] [/quote] There always girning about something!

This now begs the all important question "Does anybody give a rats ars£?" Not I for one, infact I wish they would all resign.

I'm not sure if Clegg is fatally wounded - he is still popular in the party and I think he should survive until the next election. The big question is where does this leave his party? The liberals really are on the edge of the abyss this time. At the next general election, they will be squeezed (even more than usual) by the snp and labour in Scotland, and by the tories and labour in England. Of all the main parties, it seems that the LDP is the one that is going to face increasing difficulties in the next few years. Part of this is their own fault, but only a small part. Their predicament is that they have been overtaken by events. As the junior coalition partner in the first devolved government in modern Scotland, they are assured a place in history. They successfully punched above their weight for eight years - I don't think they can now expect anything more than that. They could still, if brave enough, play a pivotal role in Scotland's history if they support the SNP for a referendum. If Nick Clegg did decide this, it would be a momentous (some of his MSPs would undoubtably rebel but I believe that some tory MSPs would, in their eagerness for a final showdown with the SNP, actually support a referendum). Unforunately, I don't think the LDP leadership will risk this, at least not before the next Scottish election. Unlike the SNP, who are fast learning the benefits of vision and proactivity in government, the SDP are still reactive and therefore we will have to wait a while yet for things to unravel (more). I don't really care what happens to the LDPin the short term - they are so dull, it is refreshing to see them provide some entertainment for a change. Although I do not share many of their values, I do believe that a significant minority of scots are liberal-minded and they should be (properly) represented, and I look forward to the day when a new liberal party rises, phoenix-like, in an independent Scotland.

Luigi, "could still, if brave enough, play a pivotal role in Scotland's history if they support the SNP for a referendum." One item precludes this from being the case. If you listened to what Alastair Carmichael stated in Scotland at Ten (you can listen again using the BBC Iplayer). He stated that during meetings with constituents he had specifically told them that he would vote for a referendum on the constutiution as there were specific rural issues that they had about it. He felt therefore that as consituents had voted for him on this basis, he could not in all conscience simply accept the treaty as it contained many elements that he promised his constituents a vote on. Contrast that with the Scottish referendum. The promise made by Lib Dem MSPs to constituents was specifically that they would NOT support a referendum. How can they in all conscience tell the electorate that they will vote against it and then suddenly volte face? It would be a strange form of democracy for that to heppen. Surely its Alastairs principles which are correct rather than those described above as poodles not listening to what the voters are saying to them.

Useless Lib Dems. They've always been a party of clowns. FYI, withdrawal from the EU and Scotland's separation from the UK aren't comparable. Scotland can't be independent and remain in the EU. Who do you think makes >75% of our laws? We don't even have a say.