New trams will be streets ahead
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| THE WAY WE WERE: Crowds of people queue on Waterloo Place to board trams bound for the Musselburgh Races during the heyday of tram transport in Edinburgh in the 1950s |
Anyone who knows the capital, knows that getting around by car can be frustrating to say the least.
One solution to the increasing levels of traffic in Edinburgh has been the instigation of the city's ambitious £500m tram scheme.
Although construction began last year, arguably the most significant phase of the work got under way this week with the closure of a main arterial route in the city's west end.
With Shandwick Place now shut for the next five months, the patience of drivers will be tested to the utmost as work gathers pace.
The disruption has focused attention on the headache of worsening traffic congestion and whether trams will deliver the solution which so many hope.
Yesterday many drivers caught up in the new diversions heading into the city were not sure.
Daniel Kyle, 24, an estate agent from Linlithgow, West Lothian, said after the detour: "I don't have a clue where I've just been. Edinburgh's bad at the best of times, but this is ridiculous. I'm not quite sure how bringing in more large vehicles is going to help the motorists."
Yet he admitted the re-routing added only 10 minutes to his journey.
Arno Watson, 47, a shop worker who lives in Stockbridge, usually 10 minutes from the city centre, forgot the works began yesterday.
He said: "My usual bus was 15 minutes late, it took me on a magical mystery tour, and then I had to walk for 10 minutes to get to work in Princes Street."
Trams are seen as an old solution to a new problem, but Edinburgh is hoping to emulate the success of similar schemes around Britain in recent years, including Sheffield and Manchester. Across the Irish Sea, Dublin turned to trams as a way out of gridlock.
In Edinburgh, many businesses believe it necessary to tackle traffic since the former council's congestion charge was rejected in a referendum.
Edinburgh Chamber of Commerce said nearly 80% of its members want the trams, which will run from Leith to the airport.
A second phase, costing £87m and running from Roseburn to Granton, may be built at a later date, and another phase could eventually stretch out to Newbridge.
The business community's optimism follows the success of other systems. Dublin's Luas - Irish for speed' - tramway, which opened in 2004, has brought in 35% more shoppers with a 25% increase in sales.
Greater Manchester Passenger Transport Executive said its scheme, built in 1992, has attracted £60m in private sector investment and created 3800 permanent jobs.
The Edinburgh scheme is expected to create 590 permanent jobs.
Tie Limited, which is responsible for the £500m project, said the complete closure of Shandwick Place would be quicker than keeping the street open during works, which would have meant the work would have taken up to a year.
Traffic will be diverted through Melville Street and George Street will become an important route for traffic flowing through the
centre.
Rates relief may be available for companies adjacent to some of the works and small businesses can claim compensation if they can prove hardship caused by the project.
Graeme Barclay, Tie construction director, said the first morning of works had gone smoothly as traffic management was in place.
He said: "Tie is constantly monitoring the traffic situation and we are pleased that the early stages are flowing as planned.
"We will continue to monitor the traffic as works continue but we do appreciate the ongoing patience and co-operation of drivers."
Willie Gallagher, executive chairman of Tie Limited, said: "We have identified the optimum traffic management solution that ensures optimum vehicle flow for both public transport and other traffic.
"The citizens of Edinburgh and its business community expect this work done to be done safely, quickly and to budget. Our approach to diverting the utilities coupled with the traffic management measures is the best way to achieve this."
It is not only Edinburgh that believes trams are the transport of the future. Since 1985, 11 French cities have either upgraded or developed new light rail systems from scratch.
Germany now has 50 networks, while the Netherlands has five. Worldwide around 50 countries operate 422 trams and light rail systems, with another 120 under construction.
Tie said research shows 20% of peak hour and 50% of weekend tram passengers in the UK previously travelled by car.
A spokesman for Glasgow City Council said yesterday: "Recognising the impor
tance of a good public transport system to the economy of Glasgow, it is possible that at some point in the future some form of light rapid transit system could
be introduced.
"One example of this is the Clyde Fastlink proposal being developed by the City Council in conjunction with Strathclyde Partnership for Transport.
"Fastlink is a proposal to develop a dedicated tram-like bus rapid transit system, running for the most part on dedicated private roadways, with state of the art public transport vehicles."
That system would run along the north bank of the river between the central station and Glasgow Harbour,
It has already received planning permission and studies are under way on extensions to the Southern General Hospital, Renfrew and Clydebank.
The importance of tackling congestion is acknowledged nationally as well as locally.
Across Scotland congestion is seen as such a problem that solutions such as bringing in a hovercraft commuter service between Fife and Edinburgh and a water bus service for the Clyde are being floated.
By 2006 there were more than 2.5 million vehicles in Scotland. Some 68% of households have at least one car available for private use, up from 63% in 1999, and 24% of households have two or more cars, compared with 18% in 1999.
A Scottish Government spokesman said it is "investing substantially in our bus industry to the tune of some £260m per year, and giving local authorities record levels of funding to allow them to invest in local priorities".
Moving history
Horse-drawn trams were introduced to Edinburgh around 1871.
Trams powered by cable ran from around 1910. The old horse-drawn carriages were sold off for about £6 each.
In the 1920s the city's last cable-operated routes were converted to electric traction.
By the late 1940s the city had one of the most modern tram systems in the UK.
At its peak there were 400 trams in the capital.
The last tram in Edinburgh stopped in November 1956.
The new scheme was approved by MSPs in 2005 and backed by Edinburgh City Council in 2007.
Initial works will mean closure of Shandwick Place for 19 weeks, 16 weeks of disruption on Princes Street from Frederick Street westwards.
It is hoped the first trams will be running around 2010/11.
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Posted by: Kiera Hardie on 3:25am Tue 4 Mar 08
Will the Edinburgh trams, or the "dedicated tram-like bus rapid transit system, running for the most part on dedicated private roadways, with state of the art public transport vehicles" promised for Glasgow, be guaranteed 24-hour free of unpleasant and threatening and malodorous drunken neds and scallies?
Will the Edinburgh trams, or the "dedicated tram-like bus rapid transit system, running for the most part on dedicated private roadways, with state of the art public transport vehicles" promised for Glasgow, be guaranteed 24-hour free of unpleasant and threatening and malodorous drunken neds and scallies?
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 7:07am Tue 4 Mar 08
Keir Hardie[quote]Will the Edinburgh tram, promised for Glasgow, be guaranteed 24-hour free of unpleasant and threatening and malodorous drunken neds and scallies?[/quote]Not if you are aboard.
[italic]You[/italic] are a ned magnet.
Keir Hardie
Will the Edinburgh tram, promised for Glasgow, be guaranteed 24-hour free of unpleasant and threatening and malodorous drunken neds and scallies?
Not if you are aboard.
You are a ned magnet.
Posted by: daz, glasgow on 8:08am Tue 4 Mar 08
had'nt motorists better get ready to live without their cars in edinburgh?
the tram system is meant to be a solution for congestion but if trams and cars, buses, delivery lorries, etc are shaing the same road space how can that work?
once the trams are up and running they'll then need to ration cars and restrict delivery vehicles times....kinda like the congestion charge that ws veto'd......
had'nt motorists better get ready to live without their cars in edinburgh?
the tram system is meant to be a solution for congestion but if trams and cars, buses, delivery lorries, etc are shaing the same road space how can that work?
once the trams are up and running they'll then need to ration cars and restrict delivery vehicles times....kinda like the congestion charge that ws veto'd......
Posted by: tom, europe on 8:10am Tue 4 Mar 08
For all people keep predicting that France is going bust the investment in infrastructure in their cities is staggering. The tram environment in Strasbourg, Nice, Nancy make our towns and cities look like Victorian relics.
For all people keep predicting that France is going bust the investment in infrastructure in their cities is staggering. The tram environment in Strasbourg, Nice, Nancy make our towns and cities look like Victorian relics.
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 8:31am Tue 4 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Kiera Hardie[/bold] wrote:
Will the Edinburgh trams, or the "dedicated tram-like bus rapid transit system, running for the most part on dedicated private roadways, with state of the art public transport vehicles" promised for Glasgow, be guaranteed 24-hour free of unpleasant and threatening and malodorous drunken neds and scallies? [/quote] This is exactly the problem with the proposals, they have been done in a vacum of the existing culutre in Scotland, trnasplanting the type fo system widely seen in Europe by the latte sipping political elite.
It's no mistake that the tram's don't over 90% of edinburgh's population, they are meant for the many 'suits' that we now see buzzing about Edinburgh, the new political classes.
A biofuel or electric guided bus system would have done excatly the same job at a fraction of the cost, cuase less lastign havoc to Edinburgh's Streets and be entriely and easily upgradeable as new technologoes appeared
The Scottish Public will remember how the Labour + Liberals forced this £500M+ White Elephant through (soon to be a colossal albatross) whilst Labour's Uk Part refuses to countenance leaving the £400M Council Rebate Benefit fund in palce to assist the introduction of a fairer LIT System which will benefit all those on a low income in Scotland.
[bold]LABOUR: TAXING THE POOR TO 'SAVE' THE VULNERABLE
LIBERALS: LATTE'S ARE A HUMAN RIGHT[/bold]
Kiera Hardie wrote:
Will the Edinburgh trams, or the "dedicated tram-like bus rapid transit system, running for the most part on dedicated private roadways, with state of the art public transport vehicles" promised for Glasgow, be guaranteed 24-hour free of unpleasant and threatening and malodorous drunken neds and scallies?
This is exactly the problem with the proposals, they have been done in a vacum of the existing culutre in Scotland, trnasplanting the type fo system widely seen in Europe by the latte sipping political elite.
It's no mistake that the tram's don't over 90% of edinburgh's population, they are meant for the many 'suits' that we now see buzzing about Edinburgh, the new political classes.
A biofuel or electric guided bus system would have done excatly the same job at a fraction of the cost, cuase less lastign havoc to Edinburgh's Streets and be entriely and easily upgradeable as new technologoes appeared
The Scottish Public will remember how the Labour + Liberals forced this £500M+ White Elephant through (soon to be a colossal albatross) whilst Labour's Uk Part refuses to countenance leaving the £400M Council Rebate Benefit fund in palce to assist the introduction of a fairer LIT System which will benefit all those on a low income in Scotland.
LABOUR: TAXING THE POOR TO 'SAVE' THE VULNERABLE
LIBERALS: LATTE'S ARE A HUMAN RIGHT
Posted by: SC on 8:34am Tue 4 Mar 08
[quote][bold]tom[/bold] wrote:
For all people keep predicting that France is going bust the investment in infrastructure in their cities is staggering. The tram environment in Strasbourg, Nice, Nancy make our towns and cities look like Victorian relics.[/quote] France is going bust! Nice trams though. Maybe Sarko can do it.
As for the claims about tram systems, notice how they are all about business growth and jobs, not congestion reduction.
I'm sure £500m of tax cuts would also have resulted in growth too, without the environmental destruction of manufacturing miles of track and a few 19th-century buses.
tom wrote:
For all people keep predicting that France is going bust the investment in infrastructure in their cities is staggering. The tram environment in Strasbourg, Nice, Nancy make our towns and cities look like Victorian relics.
France is going bust! Nice trams though. Maybe Sarko can do it.
As for the claims about tram systems, notice how they are all about business growth and jobs, not congestion reduction.
I'm sure £500m of tax cuts would also have resulted in growth too, without the environmental destruction of manufacturing miles of track and a few 19th-century buses.
Posted by: Alastair, Aberdeen on 10:21am Tue 4 Mar 08
It pains me enormously to say it, but I think this tram scheme is long overdue. We had a tram scheme in Aberdeen until the 1950s when some buffoon decided that the "motor car was the way of the future". There are still photographs of the last trams being burned at the beach. At the same time the Beecham Report sounded the death knell for a whole network of railways in and around Aberdeen. Had these railways still been open today, we would not have a fraction of the congestion in the city centre or the arterial routes in to town. But to the trams: I find it quite astonishing that anyone could object to this. They are far faster than buses, if for no other reason than they have a dedicated track. The bus has to compete with other road users, even with a bus lane. They are also far more environmentally friendly than a street jam-packed full of cars. In Germany, trams have priority over other vehicles at traffic lights, and to wait for anything longer than 10 minutes would be unheard of. (providers here consider a bus every 15 minutes to be some kind of major incentive not to use the car). The devil will be in the detail of course. Why, for example, the rising cost? But in principle this idea has merit. Of course any city in Germany of a size and population similar to that of Edinburgh would have a fully integrated bus, tram, rail and underground system. Would it be possible to do build an underground under the streets of Edinburgh and integrate this with the rest of the public transport system?
It pains me enormously to say it, but I think this tram scheme is long overdue. We had a tram scheme in Aberdeen until the 1950s when some buffoon decided that the "motor car was the way of the future". There are still photographs of the last trams being burned at the beach. At the same time the Beecham Report sounded the death knell for a whole network of railways in and around Aberdeen. Had these railways still been open today, we would not have a fraction of the congestion in the city centre or the arterial routes in to town. But to the trams: I find it quite astonishing that anyone could object to this. They are far faster than buses, if for no other reason than they have a dedicated track. The bus has to compete with other road users, even with a bus lane. They are also far more environmentally friendly than a street jam-packed full of cars. In Germany, trams have priority over other vehicles at traffic lights, and to wait for anything longer than 10 minutes would be unheard of. (providers here consider a bus every 15 minutes to be some kind of major incentive not to use the car). The devil will be in the detail of course. Why, for example, the rising cost? But in principle this idea has merit. Of course any city in Germany of a size and population similar to that of Edinburgh would have a fully integrated bus, tram, rail and underground system. Would it be possible to do build an underground under the streets of Edinburgh and integrate this with the rest of the public transport system?
Posted by: daz, glasgow on 11:22am Tue 4 Mar 08
hmm and the trams in Prague now struggle as they have to share road space with ever increasing numbers of cars coming into the city.
the edinburgh scheme does not have a dedicated track, so will have to compete for roadspace in and around the roads of Leith. kinda like what the buses have to do now.....
hmm and the trams in Prague now struggle as they have to share road space with ever increasing numbers of cars coming into the city.
the edinburgh scheme does not have a dedicated track, so will have to compete for roadspace in and around the roads of Leith. kinda like what the buses have to do now.....
Posted by: Ian on 1:24pm Tue 4 Mar 08
This is going to be one of the biggest transport disasters ever pushed upon Edinburgh - remember very few of the Edinburgh residents actually want them - and will quickly follow the disaster that is the Manchester trams, which are underutilsed and a drain on the city £. Cars will now jostle with half-empty trams in an already congested city centre. 500M and soon to increase to around 650M - this kind of money being used on a single line in the centre of Edinburgh is nothing short of madness!
This is going to be one of the biggest transport disasters ever pushed upon Edinburgh - remember very few of the Edinburgh residents actually want them - and will quickly follow the disaster that is the Manchester trams, which are underutilsed and a drain on the city £. Cars will now jostle with half-empty trams in an already congested city centre. 500M and soon to increase to around 650M - this kind of money being used on a single line in the centre of Edinburgh is nothing short of madness!
Posted by: Brad, Glasgow on 4:46pm Tue 4 Mar 08
I'm not sure that these particular trams are really the solution in Edinburgh but I don't see many alternative solutions. In theory buses can do the same job but that's not how it works in practice - people don't like them so much (esp car drivers who think they're too good for the bus). An underground system would be ideal - but HUGELY expensive.
I'm not sure that these particular trams are really the solution in Edinburgh but I don't see many alternative solutions. In theory buses can do the same job but that's not how it works in practice - people don't like them so much (esp car drivers who think they're too good for the bus). An underground system would be ideal - but HUGELY expensive.
Posted by: jim, Glasgow on 1:12pm Wed 5 Mar 08
The Tram is more suited to Glasgow streets ,As Glasgow was designed around Tram with wide streets and roads.Edinburgh has had to move pavements etc .It will only reach 8% of Edinburgh population,The cost has not been worth it .Glasgow should go ahead with its Subway exansion and poassTram?train which can reach further out and at a cheaper cost. Glasgow is screaming out for a Metropolitan system.
The Tram is more suited to Glasgow streets ,As Glasgow was designed around Tram with wide streets and roads.Edinburgh has had to move pavements etc .It will only reach 8% of Edinburgh population,The cost has not been worth it .Glasgow should go ahead with its Subway exansion and poassTram?train which can reach further out and at a cheaper cost. Glasgow is screaming out for a Metropolitan system.
Posted by: tom, europe on 10:16am Thu 6 Mar 08
SC.
If France is bust, how much more busted the UK. Sarko's a busted flush. Time for Scotland to bust free.
SC.
If France is bust, how much more busted the UK. Sarko's a busted flush. Time for Scotland to bust free.
Posted by: Toophingers, Bellshill. on 1:29pm Fri 7 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Kiera Hardie[/bold] wrote:
Will the Edinburgh trams, or the "dedicated tram-like bus rapid transit system, running for the most part on dedicated private roadways, with state of the art public transport vehicles" promised for Glasgow, be guaranteed 24-hour free of unpleasant and threatening and malodorous drunken neds and scallies? [/quote] They would if they had the old 'Come oan, get aff amazonian conductresses of the twenties and thirties who could cow even the hardest of Glasgow hardmen.
Kiera Hardie wrote:
Will the Edinburgh trams, or the "dedicated tram-like bus rapid transit system, running for the most part on dedicated private roadways, with state of the art public transport vehicles" promised for Glasgow, be guaranteed 24-hour free of unpleasant and threatening and malodorous drunken neds and scallies?
They would if they had the old 'Come oan, get aff amazonian conductresses of the twenties and thirties who could cow even the hardest of Glasgow hardmen.
Posted by: Toophingers, Bellshill. on 1:29pm Fri 7 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Kiera Hardie[/bold] wrote:
Will the Edinburgh trams, or the "dedicated tram-like bus rapid transit system, running for the most part on dedicated private roadways, with state of the art public transport vehicles" promised for Glasgow, be guaranteed 24-hour free of unpleasant and threatening and malodorous drunken neds and scallies? [/quote] They would if they had the old 'Come oan, get aff amazonian conductresses of the twenties and thirties who could cow even the hardest of Glasgow hardmen.
Kiera Hardie wrote:
Will the Edinburgh trams, or the "dedicated tram-like bus rapid transit system, running for the most part on dedicated private roadways, with state of the art public transport vehicles" promised for Glasgow, be guaranteed 24-hour free of unpleasant and threatening and malodorous drunken neds and scallies?
They would if they had the old 'Come oan, get aff amazonian conductresses of the twenties and thirties who could cow even the hardest of Glasgow hardmen.
Posted by: Richard Davis, Vienna, Austria on 8:36am Sat 8 Mar 08
Perhaps the Councillors should visit Vienna where trams buses and cars all share the roads...along with horse drawn tourist carriages. Coupled with and excellent subway system the Viennese have a fully integrated transport system.
Perhaps the Councillors should visit Vienna where trams buses and cars all share the roads...along with horse drawn tourist carriages. Coupled with and excellent subway system the Viennese have a fully integrated transport system.