Watchdog drops action against MSP Gordon over donations
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The Electoral Commission has finally concluded its probe into Labour's illegal donations saga saying no further action will be taken against MSP Charles Gordon.
The watchdog announced yesterday that an illegal loan of £950 from Jersey businessman Paul Green had been repaid by Mr Gordon's Glasgow South Labour Party, and on that basis there would be no further proceedings. A fortnight ago the Commission also ruled that there would be no further proceedings against Wendy Alexander over an illegal donation to her party leadership campaign.
Last night Mr Gordon argued that the commission's decision not to proceed against him drew a line under the affair.
But opponents claimed the continued gap between admitted breaches of the law and action against politicians would erode public confidence in the system.
An SNP spokesperson argued: "It comes as no surprise that following the commission's decision on Wendy Alexander no action will be taken against Charlie Gordon.
"It looks like Charlie Gordon's future will now be determined by the people of Cathcart, unless Glasgow South Labour party take the decision for them."
Mr Gordon told The Herald last night: "I found out from the commission a fortnight ago when they made their statement on Wendy.
"I think that confirms what I was told by the commission two weeks ago. I am obviously relieved about it because it's been hanging over me for the last three months."
He said: "I obviously made a serious human error and I regret the fact that my mistake embroiled other people. But at no time did I set out to do wrong and I am glad that that fact has been accepted."
Asked whether he was looking forward to a revived career, he said: "I'm not focused on that. I was author of my own misfortunes in terms of my initial error, and people have used my silence during this period to settle old scores and put the boot in.
"I ran a clean administration at Glasgow during 20 years as a councillor and 39 years as a Labour activist. I am not a dishonest man. I was not primarily targeted ,but people took the opportunity when I was down and had to remain silent to use innuendo to imply other things about me."
Mr Gordon is now looking to rebuild his political career. He said: "It hasn't stopped me doing my work for constituents but it has been a restraint on my parliamentary activities and I intend to raise my profile again in the chamber, but I am not focused on my personal ambitions.
"It hasn't killed me so it has made me stronger."
But attempts by Mr Gordon and Ms Alexander to put the whole saga behind them are likely to face further difficulty in the press.
Ms Alexander may have been cleared by the Electoral Commission over one set of donations, but inquiries continue over her receipt of funds from Labour fundraising dinners and her decision to lodge a motion praising Braehead shopping centre without flagging up the fact that she had received donations from some of those involved.
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Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 10:45pm Wed 20 Feb 08
[bold][quote]"It hasn't killed me so it has made me stronger."[/quote] Aye. It's caused a rethink in how best to launder donations.[/bold]
"It hasn't killed me so it has made me stronger."
Aye. It's caused a rethink in how best to launder donations. Posted by: Brian D Finch, Brigadoon on 10:49pm Wed 20 Feb 08
How interesting...
Paul Green asked Charlie if the donation was legal.
Charlie said it was.
Paul Green sent the donation by personal cheque direct to Charlie (according to Brian Taylor of the BBC who interviewed Mr Green).
The cheque was recorded as coming from a non-foreign company
which had nothing to do with it - nor knowledge neither.
The donation was subsequently admitted to be illegal.
Charlie is now in the clear, according to the Electoral Commission.
Charlie, why did you say the donation was legal?
Why did you say it came from a Glasgow company,
when you knew it was a personal cheque?
Please explain...[bold][italic]if[/italic][/bold] you can.
How interesting...
Paul Green asked Charlie if the donation was legal.
Charlie said it was.
Paul Green sent the donation by personal cheque direct to Charlie (according to Brian Taylor of the BBC who interviewed Mr Green).
The cheque was recorded as coming from a non-foreign company
which had nothing to do with it - nor knowledge neither.
The donation was subsequently admitted to be illegal.
Charlie is now in the clear, according to the Electoral Commission.
Charlie, why did you say the donation was legal?
Why did you say it came from a Glasgow company,
when you knew it was a personal cheque?
Please explain...
if you can.
Posted by: Vronsky, Scotland on 10:49pm Wed 20 Feb 08
[quote]The watchdog announced yesterday that an illegal loan of £950 from Jersey businessman Paul Green had been repaid by Mr Gordon's Glasgow South Labour Party, and on that basis there would be no further proceedings[/quote] .
So why bother with an investigation at all? If returning funds obtained illegally annuls the crime, the investigation is a waste of taxpayers' money. This is great news for muggers.
On the basis of this decision it is clearly pointless to proceed with the other 'investigations' - if it emerges that they were illegal, those funds will simply be returned too, thus undoing the offence. Neat.
The watchdog announced yesterday that an illegal loan of £950 from Jersey businessman Paul Green had been repaid by Mr Gordon's Glasgow South Labour Party, and on that basis there would be no further proceedings
.
So why bother with an investigation at all? If returning funds obtained illegally annuls the crime, the investigation is a waste of taxpayers' money. This is great news for muggers.
On the basis of this decision it is clearly pointless to proceed with the other 'investigations' - if it emerges that they were illegal, those funds will simply be returned too, thus undoing the offence. Neat.
Posted by: Duns Scotus, The Borders on 10:56pm Wed 20 Feb 08
[quote]Last night Mr Gordon argued that the commission's decision not to proceed against him drew a line under the affair[/quote] Nae chance pal, yer deid. When's the funeral? Next election?
Last night Mr Gordon argued that the commission's decision not to proceed against him drew a line under the affair
Nae chance pal, yer deid. When's the funeral? Next election?
Posted by: george alexander, north lanarkshire on 10:59pm Wed 20 Feb 08
What can we say that hasn't been said already. The Scottish Unionist establishment are corrupt, we knew that already. However what this episode has shown is the level of contempt that they have for not just the electorate but for Scottish Law.
The Herald refused to allow any comments on The Tommy Sheridan story and no wonder. These establishment self servers are the real obstacle to Scotland flourishing and realising her potential.
The Scottish media will do nothing here, absolutely nothing. We can but hope that ordinary Scots will vent their disgust at this coterie of gluttenous swine at the next election.
What can we say that hasn't been said already. The Scottish Unionist establishment are corrupt, we knew that already. However what this episode has shown is the level of contempt that they have for not just the electorate but for Scottish Law.
The Herald refused to allow any comments on The Tommy Sheridan story and no wonder. These establishment self servers are the real obstacle to Scotland flourishing and realising her potential.
The Scottish media will do nothing here, absolutely nothing. We can but hope that ordinary Scots will vent their disgust at this coterie of gluttenous swine at the next election.
Posted by: nouveauxscum, Schwiiiiiinggg on 11:02pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Exonerated
Vindicated
Cleared
Dropped
How many circles in the Inferno? Must be near the end noo fur fox ache. lol
Exonerated
Vindicated
Cleared
Dropped
How many circles in the Inferno? Must be near the end noo fur fox ache. lol
Posted by: bluenose, glasgow on 11:15pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Words do not come close to describe my absolute contempt and disgust at this whitewash and cover up .
Alexander and Gordon can crow from the roofs about their innocence ,however the world knows differently .
Horrific , contemptable ,dishonest ,fraudulent and total disrespect for the ordinary electors of Scotland
Shame on you EC, every last one one of you .
Bought and sold for Channel Islands gold !!!
Words do not come close to describe my absolute contempt and disgust at this whitewash and cover up .
Alexander and Gordon can crow from the roofs about their innocence ,however the world knows differently .
Horrific , contemptable ,dishonest ,fraudulent and total disrespect for the ordinary electors of Scotland
Shame on you EC, every last one one of you .
Bought and sold for Channel Islands gold !!!
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 11:18pm Wed 20 Feb 08
[quote]...had been repaid by Mr Gordon's Glasgow South Labour Party, and on that basis there would be no further proceedings.....[/quote]
What kind of commission is this, where is the investigation into the claims that money came from CPS, where are the investigations into the money actually being [bold]solicited[/bold] from an illegal source.....
[italic]Great I can now steal a new plasma screen, watch it for a few months, get caught, claim I bought it legally, it be proven that id didn't and then hand it back and get off with it......[/italic]
[bold]Electoral;Commission RIP 2007[/bold]
Time for the Herald to push hard for those requests for Freedom of Information in, the Scottish Public want to see the workings and decision making process of this quasi judicial body which appears to go again common sense and accepted law..... there is a crucial principal at stake here.......
Wendy & Charlie are sadly mistaken if they think this is going away, I'd suggest that the information might just be leaked nearer 2010 if the Freedom of Information act isn't invoked sooner....
...had been repaid by Mr Gordon's Glasgow South Labour Party, and on that basis there would be no further proceedings.....
What kind of commission is this, where is the investigation into the claims that money came from CPS, where are the investigations into the money actually being
solicited from an illegal source.....
Great I can now steal a new plasma screen, watch it for a few months, get caught, claim I bought it legally, it be proven that id didn't and then hand it back and get off with it......
Electoral;Commission RIP 2007
Time for the Herald to push hard for those requests for Freedom of Information in, the Scottish Public want to see the workings and decision making process of this quasi judicial body which appears to go again common sense and accepted law..... there is a crucial principal at stake here.......
Wendy & Charlie are sadly mistaken if they think this is going away, I'd suggest that the information might just be leaked nearer 2010 if the Freedom of Information act isn't invoked sooner....
Posted by: Scamp on 11:18pm Wed 20 Feb 08
I now think it's essential that Scotland set up its own election watchdog.
I now think it's essential that Scotland set up its own election watchdog.
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 11:20pm Wed 20 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Vronsky[/bold] wrote:
[quote]The watchdog announced yesterday that an illegal loan of £950 from Jersey businessman Paul Green had been repaid by Mr Gordon's Glasgow South Labour Party, and on that basis there would be no further proceedings[/quote] .
So why bother with an investigation at all? If returning funds obtained illegally annuls the crime, the investigation is a waste of taxpayers' money. This is great news for muggers.
On the basis of this decision it is clearly pointless to proceed with the other 'investigations' - if it emerges that they were illegal, those funds will simply be returned too, thus undoing the offence. Neat.[/quote] [bold]Exactly[/bold] - Giving money back isn't the issue, soliciting and then trying to cover that up is.....just another whitewash as labour sinks further into the abyss of chaos and sleaze that it has created for itself
Vronsky wrote:
The watchdog announced yesterday that an illegal loan of £950 from Jersey businessman Paul Green had been repaid by Mr Gordon's Glasgow South Labour Party, and on that basis there would be no further proceedings
.
So why bother with an investigation at all? If returning funds obtained illegally annuls the crime, the investigation is a waste of taxpayers' money. This is great news for muggers.
On the basis of this decision it is clearly pointless to proceed with the other 'investigations' - if it emerges that they were illegal, those funds will simply be returned too, thus undoing the offence. Neat.
Exactly - Giving money back isn't the issue, soliciting and then trying to cover that up is.....just another whitewash as labour sinks further into the abyss of chaos and sleaze that it has created for itself
Posted by: Gregor Addison, Scotland on 11:40pm Wed 20 Feb 08
I bet Gail Sheridan wishes she was in the Labour party.
I bet Gail Sheridan wishes she was in the Labour party.
Posted by: BM, Glasgow on 11:49pm Wed 20 Feb 08
So if I rob a bank, and, after getting caught and admitting my guilt, hand the money back, all charges against me will be dropped?
So if I rob a bank, and, after getting caught and admitting my guilt, hand the money back, all charges against me will be dropped?
Posted by: Chris, Glasgow on 11:49pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Now we understand why there is a need for the Electoral Commission. Without it, Crown Office would have been obliged to consider the criminality of Wendy Alexander's behaviour. Without it, the police could have investigated breaches of the law by Charlie Gordon in soliciting donations from overseas. Without it, something might have happened.
With it, everything's sorted.
Now we understand why there is a need for the Electoral Commission. Without it, Crown Office would have been obliged to consider the criminality of Wendy Alexander's behaviour. Without it, the police could have investigated breaches of the law by Charlie Gordon in soliciting donations from overseas. Without it, something might have happened.
With it, everything's sorted.
Posted by: DouglasT, kirkintilloch on 11:52pm Wed 20 Feb 08
So, Gordon SOLICITED a donation from Mr Green - a donation source previously rejected by the Scottish labour party as an illegal source; then he solicits a second donation and declares it to be a donation from a private company. A whole collection of illegal acts which the Electoral Commission choose to ignore.
Obviously, the very existence of the electoral commission is an abuse of public funds. Well, I suppose it would be, it is run from Westminster, just like the Scottish labour party.
Petition anyone?
So, Gordon SOLICITED a donation from Mr Green - a donation source previously rejected by the Scottish labour party as an illegal source; then he solicits a second donation and declares it to be a donation from a private company. A whole collection of illegal acts which the Electoral Commission choose to ignore.
Obviously, the very existence of the electoral commission is an abuse of public funds. Well, I suppose it would be, it is run from Westminster, just like the Scottish labour party.
Petition anyone?
Posted by: Grahamski, Falkirk on 11:55pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Oh get a grip BM, you do your case no favours at all. Why didn't you say that if Angus MacNeil MP wasn't prosecuted for breaking the law by purchasing alcohol for underage lassies then you shouldn't be charged for murder. An absurd argument completely without merit.
Chris, the EC did its job, any transgressions have been rectified, time to move on...
Oh get a grip BM, you do your case no favours at all. Why didn't you say that if Angus MacNeil MP wasn't prosecuted for breaking the law by purchasing alcohol for underage lassies then you shouldn't be charged for murder. An absurd argument completely without merit.
Chris, the EC did its job, any transgressions have been rectified, time to move on...
Posted by: Huttcity, New Zealand on 11:56pm Wed 20 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Grahamski[/bold] wrote:
never in the field of whacko conspiracy theories has so much green ink been expended by so few to bore so many.......well, that was fun while it lasted however it's over now, time to move on ......and as for you Mr Alexander, anymore personal attacks from you and I'll have your posts removed, again.[/quote] I bet you have been running to the teacher all your life
Grahamski wrote:
never in the field of whacko conspiracy theories has so much green ink been expended by so few to bore so many.......well, that was fun while it lasted however it's over now, time to move on ......and as for you Mr Alexander, anymore personal attacks from you and I'll have your posts removed, again.
I bet you have been running to the teacher all your life
Posted by: Grahamski, Falkirk on 11:56pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Douglas t,
knock yourself out, why don't you...or perhaps you could get Mr Souter to fund a private prosecution, that'll serve the politics of Scotland well.......
Douglas t,
knock yourself out, why don't you...or perhaps you could get Mr Souter to fund a private prosecution, that'll serve the politics of Scotland well.......
Posted by: AyrshireScot, South Ayrshire on 11:56pm Wed 20 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Grahamski[/bold] wrote:
Oh get a grip BM, you do your case no favours at all. Why didn't you say that if Angus MacNeil MP wasn't prosecuted for breaking the law by purchasing alcohol for underage lassies then you shouldn't be charged for murder. An absurd argument completely without merit. Chris, the EC did its job, any transgressions have been rectified, time to move on...[/quote] Please can you provide the statements where Angus McNeil admitted this law breaking?
Labour have admitted to 120 counts of breaking electoral law. For elected politicians to break the lawas dealing with elections and fund raising is very serious.
Grahamski wrote:
Oh get a grip BM, you do your case no favours at all. Why didn't you say that if Angus MacNeil MP wasn't prosecuted for breaking the law by purchasing alcohol for underage lassies then you shouldn't be charged for murder. An absurd argument completely without merit. Chris, the EC did its job, any transgressions have been rectified, time to move on...
Please can you provide the statements where Angus McNeil admitted this law breaking?
Labour have admitted to 120 counts of breaking electoral law. For elected politicians to break the lawas dealing with elections and fund raising is very serious.
Posted by: Grahamski, Falkirk on 11:57pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Huttcity,
good one...........
Huttcity,
good one...........
Posted by: Clare, Lanarkshire on 11:58pm Wed 20 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Brian D Finch[/bold] wrote:
How interesting... Paul Green asked Charlie if the donation was legal. Charlie said it was. Paul Green sent the donation by personal cheque direct to Charlie (according to Brian Taylor of the BBC who interviewed Mr Green). The cheque was recorded as coming from a non-foreign company which had nothing to do with it - nor knowledge neither. The donation was subsequently admitted to be illegal. Charlie is now in the clear, according to the Electoral Commission. Charlie, why did you say the donation was legal? Why did you say it came from a Glasgow company, when you knew it was a personal cheque? Please explain...[bold][italic]if[/italic][/bold] you can.[/quote] Hello Brian. I wonder if the EC will ever explain to us their position in all of this. It is thoroughly depressing. It is also quite disgraceful that a publicly funded body has ruled in favour of taking no action in this case and against Ms Alexander. Explanations are due, public ones.
Brian D Finch wrote:
How interesting... Paul Green asked Charlie if the donation was legal. Charlie said it was. Paul Green sent the donation by personal cheque direct to Charlie (according to Brian Taylor of the BBC who interviewed Mr Green). The cheque was recorded as coming from a non-foreign company which had nothing to do with it - nor knowledge neither. The donation was subsequently admitted to be illegal. Charlie is now in the clear, according to the Electoral Commission. Charlie, why did you say the donation was legal? Why did you say it came from a Glasgow company, when you knew it was a personal cheque? Please explain...if you can.
Hello Brian. I wonder if the EC will ever explain to us their position in all of this. It is thoroughly depressing. It is also quite disgraceful that a publicly funded body has ruled in favour of taking no action in this case and against Ms Alexander. Explanations are due, public ones.
Posted by: AyrshireScot, South Ayrshire on 11:58pm Wed 20 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Grahamski[/bold] wrote:
never in the field of whacko conspiracy theories has so much green ink been expended by so few to bore so many.......well, that was fun while it lasted however it's over now, time to move on ......and as for you Mr Alexander, anymore personal attacks from you and I'll have your posts removed, again.[/quote] Personal attacks on Ms Alexander? What like the ones written by her new spin doctor? Or the ones coming from her colleagues?
I think she is great.
Grahamski wrote:
never in the field of whacko conspiracy theories has so much green ink been expended by so few to bore so many.......well, that was fun while it lasted however it's over now, time to move on ......and as for you Mr Alexander, anymore personal attacks from you and I'll have your posts removed, again.
Personal attacks on Ms Alexander? What like the ones written by her new spin doctor? Or the ones coming from her colleagues?
I think she is great.
Posted by: Oscar on 11:58pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Another day, another exonerated sleazebusting Labour whitewash.
Another day, another exonerated sleazebusting Labour whitewash.
Posted by: megz, glasgow on 11:59pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Shocked and Stunned (not really)
Shocked and Stunned (not really)
Posted by: Clare, Lanarkshire on 11:59pm Wed 20 Feb 08
[quote][bold]george alexander[/bold] wrote:
What can we say that hasn't been said already. The Scottish Unionist establishment are corrupt, we knew that already. However what this episode has shown is the level of contempt that they have for not just the electorate but for Scottish Law. The Herald refused to allow any comments on The Tommy Sheridan story and no wonder. These establishment self servers are the real obstacle to Scotland flourishing and realising her potential. The Scottish media will do nothing here, absolutely nothing. We can but hope that ordinary Scots will vent their disgust at this coterie of gluttenous swine at the next election.[/quote] George the Sheridan matter is subjudice. That's why there will be no comments permitted.
george alexander wrote:
What can we say that hasn't been said already. The Scottish Unionist establishment are corrupt, we knew that already. However what this episode has shown is the level of contempt that they have for not just the electorate but for Scottish Law. The Herald refused to allow any comments on The Tommy Sheridan story and no wonder. These establishment self servers are the real obstacle to Scotland flourishing and realising her potential. The Scottish media will do nothing here, absolutely nothing. We can but hope that ordinary Scots will vent their disgust at this coterie of gluttenous swine at the next election.
George the Sheridan matter is subjudice. That's why there will be no comments permitted.
Posted by: Grahamski, Falkirk on 11:59pm Wed 20 Feb 08
Ayrshire,
when he made his public apology - do your own googling. Breaching electoral rules is serious and is taken seriously by all the parties that's why when there is a breach it is rectified as soon as possible. What we don't expect is the Spanish Inquisition.........
.
Ayrshire,
when he made his public apology - do your own googling. Breaching electoral rules is serious and is taken seriously by all the parties that's why when there is a breach it is rectified as soon as possible. What we don't expect is the Spanish Inquisition.........
.
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 12:01am Thu 21 Feb 08
Grahamski flailing about helplessly again - making wild allegations and conspiracy theory pronunciations whilst managing to threaten other posters for abusing him...... brilliant....did you put your CV in for Wendy's new spin doctor...
Grahamski flailing about helplessly again - making wild allegations and conspiracy theory pronunciations whilst managing to threaten other posters for abusing him...... brilliant....did you put your CV in for Wendy's new spin doctor...
Posted by: AyrshireScot, South Ayrshire on 12:01am Thu 21 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Grahamski[/bold] wrote:
Douglas t, knock yourself out, why don't you...or perhaps you could get Mr Souter to fund a private prosecution, that'll serve the politics of Scotland well.......[/quote] It may serve the politics of Scotland better than a series of illegal donations, reports to the fiscal by the Standards Commissioner, potentially fraudulent and deceptive fund-raising by front organisations, and more police investigations, ala New Labour?
Grahamski wrote:
Douglas t, knock yourself out, why don't you...or perhaps you could get Mr Souter to fund a private prosecution, that'll serve the politics of Scotland well.......
It may serve the politics of Scotland better than a series of illegal donations, reports to the fiscal by the Standards Commissioner, potentially fraudulent and deceptive fund-raising by front organisations, and more police investigations, ala New Labour?
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 12:03am Thu 21 Feb 08
Until the decision making process on this and other New Labour Whitewash's are made public, there will be no vindication....
It's only now, some 6 years later that the full extent of Spin Doctor lead dossier's are coming to light over Iraq....
If Labour and the EC are confident in this decision, then publish the evidence and reasoning like any other court would do....why all the secrecy? - All that is achieving is damaging Scottish & UK Politics at large....
Until the decision making process on this and other New Labour Whitewash's are made public, there will be no vindication....
It's only now, some 6 years later that the full extent of Spin Doctor lead dossier's are coming to light over Iraq....
If Labour and the EC are confident in this decision, then publish the evidence and reasoning like any other court would do....why all the secrecy? - All that is achieving is damaging Scottish & UK Politics at large....
Posted by: AyrshireScot, South Ayrshire on 12:03am Thu 21 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Grahamski[/bold] wrote:
Ayrshire, when he made his public apology - do your own googling. Breaching electoral rules is serious and is taken seriously by all the parties that's why when there is a breach it is rectified as soon as possible. What we don't expect is the Spanish Inquisition......... .[/quote] Is an apology now some kind of penance or justice? I know new Labour like apologies - Wendy apologised for losing the election, her brother apologised for botching the election, Hain apologised fro admitted law breaking, Harman apologised for law breaking, Brown apologised for law breaking, Wendy apologised for law breaking... but I am not sure apologies are part of a legal process?
Grahamski wrote:
Ayrshire, when he made his public apology - do your own googling. Breaching electoral rules is serious and is taken seriously by all the parties that's why when there is a breach it is rectified as soon as possible. What we don't expect is the Spanish Inquisition......... .
Is an apology now some kind of penance or justice? I know new Labour like apologies - Wendy apologised for losing the election, her brother apologised for botching the election, Hain apologised fro admitted law breaking, Harman apologised for law breaking, Brown apologised for law breaking, Wendy apologised for law breaking... but I am not sure apologies are part of a legal process?
Posted by: Grahamski, Falkirk on 12:04am Thu 21 Feb 08
Wardog,
As it happens I had some scurrilous posts removed about your good friend AM2. Mr Alexander making a bit of a fool of himself again I'm afraid. No matter I saved him his blushes. Always glad to help, pip pip!
Wardog,
As it happens I had some scurrilous posts removed about your good friend AM2. Mr Alexander making a bit of a fool of himself again I'm afraid. No matter I saved him his blushes. Always glad to help, pip pip!
Posted by: Conan the Librarian™, Edinburgh on 12:05am Thu 21 Feb 08
Grahamski, you are being persecuted by an Alexander? Surely not.
Grahamski, you are being persecuted by an Alexander? Surely not.
Posted by: Oscar on 12:06am Thu 21 Feb 08
Graham, how can you defend these people?
Graham, how can you defend these people?
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 12:09am Thu 21 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Grahamski[/bold] wrote:
Wardog,
As it happens I had some scurrilous posts removed about your good friend AM2. Mr Alexander making a bit of a fool of himself again I'm afraid. No matter I saved him his blushes. Always glad to help, pip pip![/quote] Surely this must have been the fakey AM2, the real stat machine that is AM2 is fitted with a politeness restrictor
Grahamski wrote:
Wardog,
As it happens I had some scurrilous posts removed about your good friend AM2. Mr Alexander making a bit of a fool of himself again I'm afraid. No matter I saved him his blushes. Always glad to help, pip pip!
Surely this must have been the fakey AM2, the real stat machine that is AM2 is fitted with a politeness restrictor
Posted by: Grahamski, Falkirk on 12:09am Thu 21 Feb 08
Oscar,
What people, I'm not defending anyone!!!
Conan, the only persecution I've received from an Alexander was when I was subjected to their technique. Old Georgie boy doesn't persecute me although he has tried to organise a boycott of me in the past. Oh, how we laughed.....
Oscar,
What people, I'm not defending anyone!!!
Conan, the only persecution I've received from an Alexander was when I was subjected to their technique. Old Georgie boy doesn't persecute me although he has tried to organise a boycott of me in the past. Oh, how we laughed.....
Posted by: Grahamski, Falkirk on 12:11am Thu 21 Feb 08
Wardog,
You would have thought that there must be some kind of internet Geneva Convention but no, Georgie boy went sticking the boot into old stato AM2. I don't have to tell you how appalled I was....
Wardog,
You would have thought that there must be some kind of internet Geneva Convention but no, Georgie boy went sticking the boot into old stato AM2. I don't have to tell you how appalled I was....
Posted by: nouveauxscum, Divine on 12:16am Thu 21 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Grahamski[/bold] wrote:
Wardog, You would have thought that there must be some kind of internet Geneva Convention but no, Georgie boy went sticking the boot into old stato AM2. I don't have to tell you how appalled I was....[/quote] See you in sub level 5 Graham. lol
Grahamski wrote:
Wardog, You would have thought that there must be some kind of internet Geneva Convention but no, Georgie boy went sticking the boot into old stato AM2. I don't have to tell you how appalled I was....
See you in sub level 5 Graham. lol
Posted by: Politically-incorrec
t Man, Glasgow on 12:16am Thu 21 Feb 08
The sad thing is that you and I know that this is a travesty; politicians lie cheat and steal and unless they are caught out-with Westminster or Holyrood the get off with it.
The even sadder thing is that great unwashed don't know and worse still don't care and will continue voting for the "donkey with the red rosette".
What a f'ucking country!!!
The sad thing is that you and I know that this is a travesty; politicians lie cheat and steal and unless they are caught out-with Westminster or Holyrood the get off with it.
The even sadder thing is that great unwashed don't know and worse still don't care and will continue voting for the "donkey with the red rosette".
What a f'ucking country!!!
Posted by: Oscar on 12:16am Thu 21 Feb 08
OK then Graham, if you're not defending Charlie Gordon, (these people) do you think the EC were right to not proceed with any action against him?
OK then Graham, if you're not defending Charlie Gordon, (these people) do you think the EC were right to not proceed with any action against him?
Posted by: BM, Glasgow on 12:22am Thu 21 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Grahamski[/bold] wrote:
Wardog,
As it happens I had some scurrilous posts removed about your good friend AM2. Mr Alexander making a bit of a fool of himself again I'm afraid. No matter I saved him his blushes. Always glad to help, pip pip![/quote] But Mr Alexander is always making a fool of himself, especially when he organises elections. So is his sister Wendy.
Grahamski wrote:
Wardog,
As it happens I had some scurrilous posts removed about your good friend AM2. Mr Alexander making a bit of a fool of himself again I'm afraid. No matter I saved him his blushes. Always glad to help, pip pip!
But Mr Alexander is always making a fool of himself, especially when he organises elections. So is his sister Wendy.
Posted by: Grahamski, Falkirk on 12:22am Thu 21 Feb 08
Oscar,
There seems to be a huge misconception about these rules and the policing of them. It is in nobody's interests for knee jerk reactions to infringements of the rules. When there has been a breach the person responsible can rectify it. These rules apply to everyone. Every party has been guilty of breaching these rules to a greater or lesser extent. These laws were never intended to be used to get people into the dock, that is a gross misrepresentation by partisan political hacks (that would be you).
My advice is to let it go and move on....that would be the sensible thing to do
Oscar,
There seems to be a huge misconception about these rules and the policing of them. It is in nobody's interests for knee jerk reactions to infringements of the rules. When there has been a breach the person responsible can rectify it. These rules apply to everyone. Every party has been guilty of breaching these rules to a greater or lesser extent. These laws were never intended to be used to get people into the dock, that is a gross misrepresentation by partisan political hacks (that would be you).
My advice is to let it go and move on....that would be the sensible thing to do
Posted by: tris, scotland on 12:31am Thu 21 Feb 08
I remember my mum once saying that all polical parties are corrupt. With the Tories, she said, it's usually something to do with their inability to keep their trousers up, and with Labour it nearly always has to do with money. Ah, the good old days huh.
Now they just don't care, all kinds of sleaze from all kinds of politicians. No standards any more. People just don't know their place.
Every time that someone gets off with it, be it here or in London, the whole nasty business just gets more depressing, and more people lose interest in the sleazy lot.
Even Mick Martin, who was trying to keep the whole thing pretty low key in England, is now alleged to have some nasty secrets regarding air fares.
Whatever next.?
I remember my mum once saying that all polical parties are corrupt. With the Tories, she said, it's usually something to do with their inability to keep their trousers up, and with Labour it nearly always has to do with money. Ah, the good old days huh.
Now they just don't care, all kinds of sleaze from all kinds of politicians. No standards any more. People just don't know their place.
Every time that someone gets off with it, be it here or in London, the whole nasty business just gets more depressing, and more people lose interest in the sleazy lot.
Even Mick Martin, who was trying to keep the whole thing pretty low key in England, is now alleged to have some nasty secrets regarding air fares.
Whatever next.?
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 12:34am Thu 21 Feb 08
Douglas Fraser's rather limp response to the concerns raised by all sides over what has been revealed as the EC's rather limited scope and very secretive workings....
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Douglas Fraser's rather limp response to the concerns raised by all sides over what has been revealed as the EC's rather limited scope and very secretive workings....
tinyurl.com/29mbjs Posted by: nouveauxscum on 12:35am Thu 21 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Grahamski[/bold] wrote:
Oscar, There seems to be a huge misconception about these rules and the policing of them. It is in nobody's interests for knee jerk reactions to infringements of the rules. When there has been a breach the person responsible can rectify it. These rules apply to everyone. Every party has been guilty of breaching these rules to a greater or lesser extent. These laws were never intended to be used to get people into the dock, that is a gross misrepresentation by partisan political hacks (that would be you). My advice is to let it go and move on....that would be the sensible thing to do[/quote] Absolutely my law ignoring, labour supporting/snout snuffling friend. Let's all get back together and stagnate whilst the likes of you buy trench coats and red ties to look important.
Acting above intelligence people like you are. lol
Grahamski wrote:
Oscar, There seems to be a huge misconception about these rules and the policing of them. It is in nobody's interests for knee jerk reactions to infringements of the rules. When there has been a breach the person responsible can rectify it. These rules apply to everyone. Every party has been guilty of breaching these rules to a greater or lesser extent. These laws were never intended to be used to get people into the dock, that is a gross misrepresentation by partisan political hacks (that would be you). My advice is to let it go and move on....that would be the sensible thing to do
Absolutely my law ignoring, labour supporting/snout snuffling friend. Let's all get back together and stagnate whilst the likes of you buy trench coats and red ties to look important.
Acting above intelligence people like you are. lol
Posted by: DouglasT, kirkintilloch on 12:35am Thu 21 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Grahamski[/bold] wrote:
Douglas t, knock yourself out, why don't you...or perhaps you could get Mr Souter to fund a private prosecution, that'll serve the politics of Scotland well.......[/quote] I am already pursuing the matter Grahamski.
You are probably aware that the Electoral Commission reports to the Speakers committee, Chaired surpringly by the Speaker, one Michael Martin; a labour MP who is himself knee deep in the brown stuff and widely criticised by MPs of all parties. So, that route is obviously not a straight one, fortunately, there are others.
Just as an aside, G, whilst I respect whatever views you choose to express, I would have thought that true Labour supporters - which I once was - would be keener than anyone to remove corruption from the party.
Grahamski wrote:
Douglas t, knock yourself out, why don't you...or perhaps you could get Mr Souter to fund a private prosecution, that'll serve the politics of Scotland well.......
I am already pursuing the matter Grahamski.
You are probably aware that the Electoral Commission reports to the Speakers committee, Chaired surpringly by the Speaker, one Michael Martin; a labour MP who is himself knee deep in the brown stuff and widely criticised by MPs of all parties. So, that route is obviously not a straight one, fortunately, there are others.
Just as an aside, G, whilst I respect whatever views you choose to express, I would have thought that true Labour supporters - which I once was - would be keener than anyone to remove corruption from the party.
Posted by: poilu, Edinburgh on 12:36am Thu 21 Feb 08
OK - but please change your name to Whitewash Commission.
OK - but please change your name to Whitewash Commission.
Posted by: Ronald, Glasgow on 12:38am Thu 21 Feb 08
It must be tough being a Brown - nose! No one, but no one, with any notion of morality or even self-respect can support the toxic entity
that comprises NEW LABOUR.
I therefore take my hat of to you "Grahamski" for putting yourself
in the invideous position of attempting to defend the indefensible however sad inefectual and ludicrous you appear.
I still find it hard however to believe that there are cretins out there who still hold a candle for those "fiery socialist's" of the Peoples Party. WMD's, Nuclear Power, Ilegal Wars, PFI Scams, Jailing Asylum Seekers, Supporting Torture Flights, Mass-Child Poverty,
Hammering Imigrants, Giving the Unemployed and the Sick and disabled a good kicking. On top of that abreviated list of horrors the NEW LABOUR delivered we must not forget a Party radled with greed, corruption and ilegality!
And poor old "Grahamski" says yes to it all !!
My Question G ; Clearly devoid of self-respect but have you no sense of shame?
It must be tough being a Brown - nose! No one, but no one, with any notion of morality or even self-respect can support the toxic entity
that comprises NEW LABOUR.
I therefore take my hat of to you "Grahamski" for putting yourself
in the invideous position of attempting to defend the indefensible however sad inefectual and ludicrous you appear.
I still find it hard however to believe that there are cretins out there who still hold a candle for those "fiery socialist's" of the Peoples Party. WMD's, Nuclear Power, Ilegal Wars, PFI Scams, Jailing Asylum Seekers, Supporting Torture Flights, Mass-Child Poverty,
Hammering Imigrants, Giving the Unemployed and the Sick and disabled a good kicking. On top of that abreviated list of horrors the NEW LABOUR delivered we must not forget a Party radled with greed, corruption and ilegality!
And poor old "Grahamski" says yes to it all !!
My Question G ; Clearly devoid of self-respect but have you no sense of shame?
Posted by: poilu, Edinburgh on 12:41am Thu 21 Feb 08
[quote]These laws were never intended to be used to get people into the dock[/quote]
Graham - You do realise what you are saying - thatyou can't end up in court by breaking t'hese laws?
These laws were never intended to be used to get people into the dock
Graham - You do realise what you are saying - thatyou can't end up in court by breaking t'hese laws?
Posted by: Alastair, Aberdeen on 12:48am Thu 21 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Grahamski[/bold] wrote:
Wardog, As it happens I had some scurrilous posts removed about your good friend AM2. Mr Alexander making a bit of a fool of himself again I'm afraid. No matter I saved him his blushes. Always glad to help, pip pip![/quote] You on some sort of power trip, you pompous-**** buffoon?
Grahamski wrote:
Wardog, As it happens I had some scurrilous posts removed about your good friend AM2. Mr Alexander making a bit of a fool of himself again I'm afraid. No matter I saved him his blushes. Always glad to help, pip pip!
You on some sort of power trip, you pompous-**** buffoon?
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 1:06am Thu 21 Feb 08
Grahamski On The Piste[quote]......and as for you Mr Alexander, anymore personal attacks from you and I'll have your posts removed, again.[/quote]Ooo, someone is puffed up with the amateur's first flush of success.
I fear you exaggerate your clout. Administrators do not jump to personal whim or temper. They weigh each request on its merits to remove a post or to ignore the complaint.
Grahamski On The Piste
......and as for you Mr Alexander, anymore personal attacks from you and I'll have your posts removed, again.
Ooo, someone is puffed up with the amateur's first flush of success.
I fear you exaggerate your clout. Administrators do not jump to personal whim or temper. They weigh each request on its merits to remove a post or to ignore the complaint.
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 1:28am Thu 21 Feb 08
[bold]Father, what do I get for laundering donations?
Loss of trust in you, and a line drawn under it.
And if I get two will folk read between them?
Humility, my son. Do a thousand Hail Mary's as penitence.
Could I make that nine hundred and fifty, Father?[/bold]
Father, what do I get for laundering donations?
Loss of trust in you, and a line drawn under it.
And if I get two will folk read between them?
Humility, my son. Do a thousand Hail Mary's as penitence.
Could I make that nine hundred and fifty, Father?
Posted by: BIG G, Fa kirk on 1:31am Thu 21 Feb 08
can I have a job application for this bunch please? I should be an expert in no time .I have a blind eye I can turn and not one but two svq in painting and decorating specialising in whitewash techniques. after a little practice I am sure that I can treat hollrood, and the law in the same way ....with contempt
can I have a job application for this bunch please? I should be an expert in no time .I have a blind eye I can turn and not one but two svq in painting and decorating specialising in whitewash techniques. after a little practice I am sure that I can treat hollrood, and the law in the same way ....with contempt
Posted by: pehman, sussex on 1:48am Thu 21 Feb 08
As I said after wendy got off, 53 posts in the space of less than two hours = NO PUBLIC INTEREST
As I said after wendy got off, 53 posts in the space of less than two hours = NO PUBLIC INTEREST
Posted by: nouveauxscum, Salem on 1:51am Thu 21 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Los Angeles[/bold] wrote:
[bold]Father, what do I get for laundering donations? Loss of trust in you, and a line drawn under it. And if I get two will folk read between them? Humility, my son. Do a thousand Hail Mary's as penitence. Could I make that nine hundred and fifty, Father?[/bold] [/quote] Oooooooh, so it's alright for you to have a dig at the witch burners and not me?
Interlude - emphasis should be placed herein that witch burning was/is popular world-wide.
Torquemada in place of all quangos.
Los Angeles wrote:
Father, what do I get for laundering donations? Loss of trust in you, and a line drawn under it. And if I get two will folk read between them? Humility, my son. Do a thousand Hail Mary's as penitence. Could I make that nine hundred and fifty, Father?
Oooooooh, so it's alright for you to have a dig at the witch burners and not me?
Interlude - emphasis should be placed herein that witch burning was/is popular world-wide.
Torquemada in place of all quangos.
Posted by: pehman, sussex on 1:53am Thu 21 Feb 08
This just defies reason, I can see none in the EC's action unless it's simply to protect the slab party itself.
This just defies reason, I can see none in the EC's action unless it's simply to protect the slab party itself.
Posted by: pehman, sussex on 1:55am Thu 21 Feb 08
Can anyone tell me weather the EC panel who reviewed these cases can themselves be investigated in relation to corruption ?
Can anyone tell me weather the EC panel who reviewed these cases can themselves be investigated in relation to corruption ?
Posted by: gordon Brown ate my hamster, Australia on 1:55am Thu 21 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Vronsky[/bold] wrote:
[quote]The watchdog announced yesterday that an illegal loan of £950 from Jersey businessman Paul Green had been repaid by Mr Gordon's Glasgow South Labour Party, and on that basis there would be no further proceedings[/quote] .
So why bother with an investigation at all? If returning funds obtained illegally annuls the crime, the investigation is a waste of taxpayers' money. This is great news for muggers.
On the basis of this decision it is clearly pointless to proceed with the other 'investigations' - if it emerges that they were illegal, those funds will simply be returned too, thus undoing the offence. Neat.[/quote] This pretty much sums it up for me.
This can't be right, can it?
Vronsky wrote:
The watchdog announced yesterday that an illegal loan of £950 from Jersey businessman Paul Green had been repaid by Mr Gordon's Glasgow South Labour Party, and on that basis there would be no further proceedings
.
So why bother with an investigation at all? If returning funds obtained illegally annuls the crime, the investigation is a waste of taxpayers' money. This is great news for muggers.
On the basis of this decision it is clearly pointless to proceed with the other 'investigations' - if it emerges that they were illegal, those funds will simply be returned too, thus undoing the offence. Neat.
This pretty much sums it up for me.
This can't be right, can it?
Posted by: pehman, sussex on 2:01am Thu 21 Feb 08
Carstairs to send 100 patients to less secure hospitals
Exclusive by LUCY ADAMS, Chief Reporter February 21 2008
A headline from another story,
but in relation to the EC decision it must make sence to someone
Carstairs to send 100 patients to less secure hospitals
Exclusive by LUCY ADAMS, Chief Reporter February 21 2008
A headline from another story,
but in relation to the EC decision it must make sence to someone
Posted by: nouveauxscum on 2:13am Thu 21 Feb 08
Worra bout the Westminster meddling in Meghrahi case?
Worra bout the Westminster meddling in Meghrahi case?
Posted by: Steve A, glasgow on 2:59am Thu 21 Feb 08
Why would bendy need a new spin doctor when she has the entire scottish media playing a blinder every day free of charge?
Why would bendy need a new spin doctor when she has the entire scottish media playing a blinder every day free of charge?
Posted by: AM2, Alba on 3:01am Thu 21 Feb 08
[quote][bold]Grahamski[/bold] wrote:
Wardog,
As it happens I had some scurrilous posts removed about your good friend AM2. Mr Alexander making a bit of a fool of himself again I'm afraid. No matter I saved him his blushes. Always glad to help, pip pip![/quote]
I think you are utterly scurrilous and I have reported your
post for attacking my good name.
Despite that I must agree with you that there is a
"huge misconception " here - most people dthat
justice would be done, but apparently not.
Grahamski wrote:
Wardog,
As it happens I had some scurrilous posts removed about your good friend AM2. Mr Alexander making a bit of a fool of himself again I'm afraid. No matter I saved him his blushes. Always glad to help, pip pip!
I think you are utterly scurrilous and I have reported your
post for attacking my good name.
Despite that I must agree with yo
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