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Minister dismisses more tax power for Holyrood
Exclusive by MICHAEL SETTLEFebruary 12 2008
DAVID CAIRNS: Insisted that devolution had to work.
DAVID CAIRNS: Insisted that devolution had to work.

The Scotland Office minister yesterday said there is no case for giving Holyrood major new tax powers, putting him on a collision course with Labour colleagues north of the border.

In an exclusive interview with The Herald, David Cairns made it clear Labour had to "reclaim" devolution from Alex Salmond and an ascendant SNP.

Yet he brushed aside talk of substantial new powers for Holyrood as an inward-looking "McChattering classes" issue, saying Labour should be concentrating on how best to deliver core services and on creating a superior vision for Scotland's future to those of the Nationalists, Conservatives and Liberal Democrats.

His intervention will ruffle feathers north of the border, particularly those of Wendy Alexander, the party's beleaguered leader in Scotland, who is a driving force behind the Scottish Constitutional Commission, which brings together the three major unionist parties.

Launching the commission last year, Ms Alexander proposed significant new powers for Scotland to set levels of some taxes and to be assigned a share of other taxes set in London.

However, when it was suggested to Mr Cairns that he was not keen on giving more tax powers to the Scottish Parliament and that it was up to Holyrood to make the case, he replied: "Yes. The government's position is, is that we think the current fiscal arrangements benefit Scotland, that there are stable, transparent increases in public spending in Scotland. There is no case for the massive restructuring of that. In any case, the Scottish Parliament has powers to levy additional taxes if they think that's what they need and they haven't used them.

He added: "I want to reframe this argument. It has to be: who's got the better vision for what's in Scotland's long-term interests. The powers of the parliament will be part of that but it is what I call the McChattering classes (issue), it's the most inward-looking notion that it begins and ends with discussion about more powers. It begins and ends with what's in the interests of ordinary families in Scotland, struggling to make ends meet, living with the reality of antisocial behaviour, looking to get their kids a good education and a good job."

Only yesterday Ms Alexander was forced to play down splits between her and Labour at Westminster on the constitutional commission, saying Gordon Brown backed her plans.

A report in the Sunday Herald said Mr Brown wanted her proposed commission downgraded to the status of a review or working party, and for Westminster to take the lead in setting it up.

Ms Alexander said yesterday: "I was delighted to receive support from the Prime Minister this weekend for the commission.

"We do think that we need to look 10 years on at how the devolution settlement is working and I was very pleased to receive support from her Majesty's Government for that."

Often labelled a Blairite, Mr Cairns, the 41-year-old former Catholic priest, is regarded as one of the party's more influential voices.

He briefly touched on Ms Alexander's current problems - the Electoral Commission has just finished investigating an illegal donation to her leadership campaign - as "unhelpful" but believed she would emerge a stronger leader from them, having been "tested in fire" and having survived.

Mr Cairns repeatedly referred to how support for the SNP's core policy of independence was "going backwards" - claiming it now stood at 24% support - and said the First Minister and his colleagues were "sacrificing Scotland's long-term interests for their own short-term political advantage".

Yet it is clear Mr Cairns is deeply worried about how the SNP has seized the political initiative in Scotland.

He said: "Eleven years in, we need to refresh the notion of devolution because if most people, politic pundits or otherwise say devolution is something to do with Alex Salmond ... when devolution is supposed to be one of the core government principles of Labour (then) ... there is an argument for reclaiming devolution at the heart of what government does."

He dismissed the question of whether devolution is a process or an event as "the reddest red herring in Scottish politics" and a "proxy argument" between keeping Holyrood in its place and giving Scotland independence.

He said: "The Scottish people want the Scottish Parliament to have the powers they need to do the things they need to do and we have given them those powers. We continue to add to them.

"We get very little credit for that because the SNP want to present it as though somehow the Scottish Parliament fell out of a great blue sky, the Labour government had nothing to do with it and Labour has been secretly seething with resentment from the day it was set up. It's an absolute and total myth and we need to take that on." Last year, Labour's opponents seized on a speech by Mr Cairns in which he acknowledged Scotland would not "wither and die" as an independent nation.

Yesterday, the minister noted how too often Labour had allowed itself to be "caricatured as being a party that believes Scotland is feeble and has to cling to England before it can achieve anything".

He added: "To the extent that we have allowed that belief about ourselves to grow, then that's bad and we need to change that."


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Posted by: nouveauxscum on 12:05am Tue 12 Feb 08
David who?

Every quote in this article could have been attributed to PtbS.

Are we paying two wages to the same duffer?
Posted by: MrC, Kelvinbridge on 12:06am Tue 12 Feb 08
This man is a disgrace. Prepared to put the interests of the Labour Party before that of the Scottish people. Mind you if he keeps this sort of stuff up, then the cause for independence will grow
Posted by: Duns Scotus, The Borders on 12:07am Tue 12 Feb 08
I have read this twice and can't see what relevance it has to Scotland. If he wants to recalim devolution, he is welcome to it. I want independence from the Britnat NuLabour.
Posted by: Colin B, Bearsden on 12:09am Tue 12 Feb 08
David Cairns is a horrific underachiever, often naive, an apologist who all to often ignores evidence preferring to concentrate on theory and emotion. Just what Scotland does not need.
Posted by: Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 12:11am Tue 12 Feb 08
Another ridiculous article from the Herald.

There is something quite worrying when our press decides to willfully create division in a political party.

The people of Scotland know that the devolution belongs to labour - it was our baby and still is.

If it had been left to the SNP we would be living in an "independent' country with a GDP similar to Albania
Posted by: democrate, central Scotland on 12:12am Tue 12 Feb 08
This condescending and arrogant tone will only get Scottish backs up. "We have given them...the powers they need to do the things they need to do..." says it all - he forgets that Government is there to serve the people and in Scotland sovereignty lies with the people. Devolution was intended to halt the march to independence; so now we are told that it was, after all, an event, not a process.
Posted by: democrate, central Scotland on 12:14am Tue 12 Feb 08
PtBS - Albania? Some statistics please?
Posted by: nouveauxscum on 12:14am Tue 12 Feb 08
Actually takes a nice photie though compared to the.........somethin
g or other...
Posted by: Vivas, Embra on 12:14am Tue 12 Feb 08
Maybe he should go back to what he's best at and take Wendys confession for her sins. Punishment: 10 hail marys and a fiver in the orphans fund.

But "goddamit", the electoral comission have already beaten him to the punch on that outcome of course.
Posted by: Seannair, Oban on 12:18am Tue 12 Feb 08
I have been but a footsoldier in the campaign for a Scottish Parliament for many years and I worked hard during the first skirmishes back in '79 when many of the most vociferous opponents to Labour's scheme then were Labour rank and file. After we finished delivering all the "yes" leaflets we could afford in Argyll we offered to deliver the heaps of official Labour party newspapers that were lying undelvered by their own "activists" The offer was refused and the will of the people was defeated by the Cunninghame amendment.

Like many others we continued to fight the good fight and success was gained to a degree in 1997, and improved upon in 2007. Now we have a Scotish government that does not seek its instructions from outside Scotland and we continue to ask for more power to turn round a country that has been misgoverned for decades

Perhaps I was not paying attention but I have no recollection of David Cairns in this fight for Scottish power to be returned to those who live here. If he was around in 1979 he was well hidden and I don't recall him in 1999 either. He is Westminster's man in Scotland and his influence here is minimal. Hemight reflect on what he can do other than mouth away on behalf of Gordon GB Brown.

Posted by: nouveauxscum, fort augustus on 12:21am Tue 12 Feb 08
Vivas wrote:
Maybe he should go back to what he's best at and take Wendys confession for her sins. Punishment: 10 hail marys and a fiver in the orphans fund. But "goddamit", the electoral comission have already beaten him to the punch on that outcome of course.
If he was best at that he wouldn't be a ****-poor nobody?

GODDAMMIT
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 12:24am Tue 12 Feb 08
........The powers of the parliament will be part of that but it is what I call the McChattering classes (issue), it's the most inward-looking notion that it begins and ends with discussion about more powers. It begins and ends with what's in the interests of ordinary families in Scotland, struggling to make ends meet, living with the reality of antisocial behaviour, looking to get their kids a good education and a good job.......


You couldn't make it up, hopefully Labour will proceed on this course and get absolutely drubbed at the next Scottish Election....

Obviously reading from the same 'fear' script as Wendy, which was the same 'hard working family' rubbish trundled out at the Election before that.... do they really think that these hard working families "struggling to makes ends meet" are in ANY way listening to the Labour Party who have been presiding over them for the last 8-10 years.....

It's shocking but hardly surpising that the UK Government for whom David Cairns speaks is refusing to listen to the MAJORITY of Scottish Voters who voted for greater powers to the parliament.....

This Constitutional Commission is gearing up to do more damage to Labour in Scotland than anyone could have seriously imagined.....

How long before the Liberals jump ship, they will be livid if this is being presented as a fait accompli by Cairns..... Labour have signalled once again that they are NOT LISTENING to the Scottish people........

Posted by: Scamp on 12:25am Tue 12 Feb 08
David Cairns has obviously not yet fully realised that Scotland is no longer Labour's feifdom to do with as they feel fit. Its influence is waning fast and deservedly so.
Posted by: BM, Glasgow on 12:26am Tue 12 Feb 08
Father Cairns has infallibly spoken, so we must do what the holy priest tells us or face excommunication. And before anyone says he is no longer a priest, that is not true. He was ordained for life and cannot, according to the doctrine of his church, cease to be one.
Posted by: BM, Glasgow on 12:28am Tue 12 Feb 08
Father Cairns has infallibly spoken, so we must do what the holy priest tells us or face excommunication. And before anyone says he is no longer a priest, that is not true. He was ordained for life and cannot, according to the doctrine of his church, cease to be one.
Posted by: Jimbo on 12:30am Tue 12 Feb 08
Yet he brushed aside talk of substantial new powers for Holyrood as an inward-looking "McChattering classes issue


Another put-down for the Scots from Labour. Encourage the cringe at all costs.

Labour should be concentrating on how best to deliver core services


Quite a difficult thing for Labour to do when they're concentrating so much on avoiding charges of Labour sleaze. They're more focused on damage limitation than on matters of interest to the Scottish public.

His intervention will ruffle feathers north of the border, particularly those of Wendy Alexander, the party's beleaguered leader in Scotland


Her feathers won't be ruffled, she's happy to do as she's told by her London masters.

Wendy Alexander, ................ who is a driving force behind the Scottish Constitutional Commission, which brings together the three major unionist parties.


Not so. This was a Liberal Party initiative. They're happy to steal the Liberal Party's idea of an anti Scottish commission though.

He added: "I want to reframe this argument. It has to be: who's got the better vision for what's in Scotland's long-term interests.


That won't be anyone in the Labour Party. For 50 years they've bent over backwards to hold Scotland back.

A report in the Sunday Herald said Mr Brown wanted her proposed commission downgraded to the status of a review


Alexander calls this 'support'? So much for her massive intellect.

and said the First Minister and his colleagues were "sacrificing Scotland's long-term interests for their own short-term political advantage".


I'm surprised he didn't accuse the SNP of stealing Labour Party policy re this point.

He dismissed the question of whether devolution is a process or an event as "the reddest red herring in Scottish politics" and a "proxy argument" between keeping Holyrood in its place and giving Scotland independence.


Keeping Holyrood in it's place. He probably would have preferred to say 'the Scots' instead of Holyrood.

Yesterday, the minister noted how too often Labour had allowed itself to be "caricatured as being a party that believes Scotland is feeble and has to cling to England before it can achieve anything.


What he means is, we're gutted the Scots are finally seeing right through us and seeing us for what we are.
Posted by: Andrew BOD, Aberdeen on 12:32am Tue 12 Feb 08
How arrogant. How high and mighty. Sounds like a High Commissioner in a far-flung colony addressing the natives....

"The Scottish people want the Scottish Parliament to have the powers they need to do the things they need to do and we have given them those powers. We continue to add to them."


The Scottish people weren't 'given' the powers, they voted for them, as well as tax-raising powers.

On devolution, he says....

"the SNP want to present it as though somehow the Scottish Parliament fell out of a great blue sky"


Where did that notion come from?

Back then, I voted for Labour and Devolution because I wanted more powers for Scotland. (Back then when Labour had a cause. Now they have no cause. They are a lost cause.)

Now I want more powers for Scotland, and the only party who will deliver this are the SNP. They have a cause. They are for Scotland. Labour are for themselves.

So Mr Cairns. Come down from your ivory tower for a wee while. Get in touch with the mood of the Scottish people, and then you might have something less condescending to say.








Posted by: nouveauxscum on 12:33am Tue 12 Feb 08
Let me take your confession David. Nearly a million souls destroyed by your government. Yeah, let me take your confession David.......
Posted by: An t-Amadan, Alba on 12:38am Tue 12 Feb 08
nouveauxscum wrote:
Let me take your confession David. Nearly a million souls destroyed by your government. Yeah, let me take your confession David.......
Yes a worthy successor to the priests who organised the Crusades and Inquisition. A priest with the blood of a million innocents on his hands.
Posted by: Il Penseroso, Inverurie on 12:39am Tue 12 Feb 08
I find the comments from "Proud to be Scottish" laughable! Here we have an ex-priest, Cairns, who has given up the cloth, given up the credo of his own vows now spouting a credo of Westminster's sole right to adjudicate on Scotland's future. Who is this incredulous zealot to be British when he cannot make up his mind what doctrine to pursue? The man is obviously confused and confused with the aims of Scottish Labour at Holyrood. How dare Scottish Labour suggest they know what is best for Scotland! How dare Scottish Labour MSPs be given the right to decide what is best for the citizens of Scotland! How dare Scottish Labour unite in a doctrine of progress when he abandons his own belief in the teachings of his own religious doctrine! Hi, guys, this man is a strange mix of morality and honesty so why should any of us accept a word from his confused mind! Like New Labour at Westminster he submits to the disciline of the late Willie Ross, Secretary of State for Scotland and devout Unionist. When you come into the Labour Government "you'll dae what ye are tellt", And the orthodoxy continues! Dae what yir tellt and disaster is upon us! Wendy, are you listening?
Posted by: George Litts on 12:39am Tue 12 Feb 08
The New Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party certainly have a death wish. Their death can't come quick enough.
David Cairns?? - oh yes serial underachiever. Soon be time for you to head off into the sun with your non executive directorships tucked safely away in your back pocket. Do you still remember your socialist ideals??? They didn't last very long did they???
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 12:41am Tue 12 Feb 08
See how soft focus his image is & that he's referred to in the article as 'soft spoken' + 'urbane'

Is he pitching this rubbish at the 'McChattering' classes.....

oooo David......you are awful....but I like you!
Posted by: Vivas, Embra on 12:43am Tue 12 Feb 08
From the priesthood to the Scottish labour party to Westminster.

Has this guy actually LIVED a life yet ?
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 12:47am Tue 12 Feb 08
Mr Cairns is DEEPLY worried about how the SNP has seized the political initiative in Scotland


Cue interview displaying cringe, preceded by 'leaked' snippets that Gordon Brown wants to reduce the scope of the Constitutional Commission....

Can anyone now take this body at all seriously?

I for one was willing to atleast give it the benefit of the douibt and wait for it's outcomes but it's fast becoming obvious that it's a complete fix.

The Liberal should now simply adopt the full recommendations of the Steel Report and negotiate with the Scottish Government to have a second question added to the 2010 Referendum..... the Tories can make up their mind on whether they really are behind federalism/fiscal autonomy and give their backing if they want....

Broon?......well the ladies not for turning.....

Posted by: Carlo, Inverclyde on 12:48am Tue 12 Feb 08
'Proud to be Scottish' @ 12.11:
If it had been left to the SNP we would be living in an "independent' country with a GDP similar to Albania

Will that be the Albania that's rich in oil, natural energy and fish off its coast and the Albania that provided so many of the world's great figures in the fields of sciences and arts? Maybe it's another Albania you're comparing an independent Scotland to. Maybe you're just blethering.
Posted by: Exiled Aussie, Banff on 12:50am Tue 12 Feb 08
MrC wrote:
This man is a disgrace. Prepared to put the interests of the Labour Party before that of the Scottish people. Mind you if he keeps this sort of stuff up, then the cause for independence will grow
What in the name of the ever sacred Diminutive has Cairns' sought for comments to do with "the interests......."?

The man is dead to rights. If the TARTAN TORIES want more dosh, let them use the 3% up/down option to achieve this.

Lets see what guts the pipsqueeks have !!!
Posted by: Exiled Aussie, Banff on 12:51am Tue 12 Feb 08
Vivas wrote:
From the priesthood to the Scottish labour party to Westminster. Has this guy actually LIVED a life yet ?
Careful....!!!
Posted by: nouveauxscum, know you on 12:55am Tue 12 Feb 08
Exiled Aussie wrote:
Vivas wrote: From the priesthood to the Scottish labour party to Westminster. Has this guy actually LIVED a life yet ?
Careful....!!!
Ditto
Posted by: Andrew BOD, Aberdeen on 12:59am Tue 12 Feb 08
Australian in Banff (Canada?) 12:51am

Fit are ye on aboot?

Cairns main criticism seemed to be directed at the Constitutional Commission for seeking more powers. The SNP is not allowed in that special club.

I think you need to read the article before commenting.
Posted by: Carlo, Fort William on 1:00am Tue 12 Feb 08
OOps! Mr Cairns

Here come the McSNPvotingclasses..
...

Roll on the general election....!!!
Posted by: Sigismund on 1:17am Tue 12 Feb 08
Vivas wrote:
Maybe he should go back to what he's best at and take Wendys confession for her sins. Punishment: 10 hail marys and a fiver in the orphans fund. But "goddamit", the electoral comission have already beaten him to the punch on that outcome of course.
Don't be daft Vivas. If Bendy was let anywhere near the Orphans Fund she would be filling her boots in no time.

But not to worry. It wouldn't be in the public interest to do anything about it.
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 1:20am Tue 12 Feb 08
Carlo wrote:
OOps! Mr Cairns

Here come the McSNPvotingclasses..
...

Roll on the general election....!!!
McSNPvotingclasses. ...ha ha ha h...nice one
Posted by: Vivas, Embra on 1:22am Tue 12 Feb 08
I should be fair to the guys former priestly lifestyle.

I mean, every time I see Jackie Baiilie I can understand that there are strong arguments for celibacy.
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 1:24am Tue 12 Feb 08
Andrew BOD wrote:
Australian in Banff (Canada?) 12:51am

Fit are ye on aboot?

Cairns main criticism seemed to be directed at the Constitutional Commission for seeking more powers. The SNP is not allowed in that special club.

I think you need to read the article before commenting.
Dinna worry aboot it Andy......

Exiled Aussie doesn't actually ken onythin aboot banff.... he's jist some eedjit that OZshunned and that we were unlucky tae get saddled with..... could have easily been canada..... he must be the only Labour Supporter left in Banff....probably the only one they've iver had...

He disna get oot much these days

Ask him aboot Banff's Fishing Industry - or rather fit's left o it, after successive failed labour/liberal fishing policy

The SNP aren't even in power for a year and they have successfully managed tae wrangle control from the EU and have all interested parties onboard for a self-policing of our fisheries..... Union Dividend indeed......

Posted by: Jimbo on 1:25am Tue 12 Feb 08
Exiled Aussie wrote:
MrC wrote: This man is a disgrace. Prepared to put the interests of the Labour Party before that of the Scottish people. Mind you if he keeps this sort of stuff up, then the cause for independence will grow
What in the name of the ever sacred Diminutive has Cairns' sought for comments to do with "the interests......."? The man is dead to rights. If the TARTAN TORIES want more dosh, let them use the 3% up/down option to achieve this. Lets see what guts the pipsqueeks have !!!
Hi Banffer,

explain why they should have to use the 3% option when Scotland sends £49 billion in taxes to Westminster and gets £30 billion in pocket money back to run a country. Why not use the money raised by Scotland in Scotland?

If you want to see anyone who lacks guts, look no further than your inglorious leader, Bottler Brown.
Posted by: Jwil, Lanarkshire on 2:04am Tue 12 Feb 08
Instead of getting too uptight about this article I suggest you read the editorial " lets talk funding". It seems that Cairns has also got the Editors hackles raised too!
Posted by: Brian Blessed, Glasgow on 2:45am Tue 12 Feb 08
Cairns is the same Oompa-Loompa who assured us all on Newsnight prior to the election that there would be no problems with the electronic count of ballot papers, and accused those concerned about it of scaremongering.

So you'll excuse me if I have a wee bit of difficulty believing anything coming out his gub.
Posted by: Traquir, Alba on 4:40am Tue 12 Feb 08
Apparently England needs a lot of muscle to govern Scotland :

. A Secretary Of State - Des Browne
. A Minster Of State - David Cairns
. A Numptie Of State - Wendy Alexander
. A Quisling In Residence - Gordon Brown.

England would clearly be better off just letting Scotland
become independent , it is costing them a fortune
to rule us.

Also it is interesting to note that on the Scotland Office
website they have forgotten to update their site as
it still has the old title of Scottish Executive everyplace,
but fortunately all you have to do is hit the link and
it magically turns into Scottish Government :)
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 5:02am Tue 12 Feb 08
Why doesnt the SNP Scottish Government abolish David Cairns and the Scottish office in London thus saving £millions of Scottish taxpayers money.
Posted by: Donald Anderson, glasgow on 5:13am Tue 12 Feb 08
Whoever he is he is getting his Union Jack undergarments in a twist.

He needs to go to the Perkheid Board to renew his Unionist faith.
Posted by: Donald Anderson, glasgow on 5:13am Tue 12 Feb 08
Whoever he is he is getting his Union Jack undergarments in a twist.

He needs to go to the Perkheid Board to renew his Unionist faith.
Posted by: Robbie, New Zealand on 7:42am Tue 12 Feb 08
Proud to be Scottish, Glasgow on 12:11am today
You talk of and compare Gross Domestic Product (GDP) which simply totals a country’s economic productivity.
It does not indicate (even by using an average per head figure) the actual prosperity of that nations’ citizens.
In World GDP comparisons, China comes 4th and New Zealand comes 24th.. I ask you PTBS which nation offers the best standard of living and quality of life for its people. Here’s a clue it doesn’t begin with ‘C’.
Comparing GDPs is no way to compare prosperity. Look at any list of countries in order of GDP; and then pick out the more peaceful nations with the most contented populations. Are they the larger or the smaller ‘economies’? You will find that the smaller sovereign nations are always way out on top.
Posted by: Robbie, New Zealand on 7:50am Tue 12 Feb 08
Proud to be Scottish
It has been posted before (with references) the comparisons between GDP versus ‘Quality of Life ‘.
GDP does not give a true reflection of the average standard of living or more importantly the ‘Quality of Life‘ of the citizens of a nation. Many of the nations with the highest quality of life rankings have smaller economies than the UK. Lets look at them. The list provided by the 'Economist' is as follows Ireland, Switzerland, Norway, Luxembourg, Sweden, Australia, Iceland, Italy, Denmark, Spain, Singapore, Finland, United States, Canada, New Zealand, Netherlands……….
The UK - that is the UNION is way back at 29th - of course no individual figure or ranking for Scotland which would be even further back what about 40th?) It’s good to be small and sovereign and self-reliant.
If a poll was done within these countries re sovereignty - by far the greater majority (perhaps approaching 100%) would choose independence (although would expect friendly alliances with neighbours and other nations).
I do believe it is both an ignorance and a fear that makes Scot’s voters unlike almost all peoples of the world in rejecting self government and self-reliance.
Being sovereign and having one's seat of Government within one's own national borders is the NORM
Posted by: Malkster, Scotland on 8:16am Tue 12 Feb 08
I am a unionist and even I have to agree this guy is a condesecending prat.
Posted by: Charles McGrory, Glasgow on 8:16am Tue 12 Feb 08
Mr Cairns, the case for massive restructuring is that we the Scots People can do a better job of running our country for its healthy priorities than corrupt Westminster which has produced the UK as the country in Europe with the worst transport infrastructure, worst drunken street yobbery, most venereal disease in teenagers, wildest children, illegal wars with an under-equipped army, and a thoroughly corrupt bribe-ridden legislature and its political parties, including your own.
Posted by: Malkster, Scotland on 8:21am Tue 12 Feb 08
Charles McGrory wrote:
Mr Cairns, the case for massive restructuring is that we the Scots People can do a better job of running our country for its healthy priorities than corrupt Westminster which has produced the UK as the country in Europe with the worst transport infrastructure, worst drunken street yobbery, most venereal disease in teenagers, wildest children, illegal wars with an under-equipped army, and a thoroughly corrupt bribe-ridden legislature and its political parties, including your own.
The problem is that Scotland has led from the fornyt on all issues, we have shocking transport links, more drunken kids tha anywher else, SDTDS at an all time high and supply more troops to the Army than anywhere else. Plus we have a higher Labour vitebthan any other region asnd all then politicians that started the wars are Scottish, we aren't better we are worse.
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 8:24am Tue 12 Feb 08
Cairns Is A Termite

Worker termites are blind. They are subterranean. They eat dead wood. Their entire role as a caste in the colony is to forage for food, repair collapsed tunnels, and protect the colony.

Workers have round, creamy to greyish heads. If seen above ground it usually means they have been attracted by the light and a colony is nearby. Home owners should take immediate steps to protect their property with toxicant, calling pest control, or find the queen which lives to breed. Once the queen in killed the colony will disperse.


Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 8:27am Tue 12 Feb 08
Malkster
The problem is that Scotland has led from the fornyt on all issues, we have shocking transport links, more drunken kids tha anywher else, SDTDS at an all time high and supply more troops to the Army than anywhere else. Plus we have a higher Labour vitebthan any other region asnd all then politicians that started the wars are Scottish, we aren't better we are worse.
That must include folk afflicted by dyslexia.
Posted by: Cadgers, Perth on 8:28am Tue 12 Feb 08
"McChattering classes"
You just couldn't make it up,could you?
"McChattering classes"
indeed!
I was fuming till Carlo came along...
OOps! Mr Cairns

Here come the McSNPvotingclasses..

...

Roll on the general election....!!!


McSNPvotingclasses :-)
Posted by: Ann