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4.2m cameras watch us... so is Big Brother already here?
MICHAEL SETTLEFebruary 07 2008

Britain is no longer sleepwalking into a surveillance state - the age of George Orwell's Big Brother is already upon us, or so government critics would have us believe.

Innocently walking down a street in Glasgow, Cardiff or London will mean a person's face is picked up by one or several of the UK's 4.2 million CCTV cameras. It is estimated that, on a normal day, someone's image will be captured more than 300 times.

Then, there are all the speed cameras on the roads, the proposed expansion of the DNA database, and the planned introduction of biometric ID cards.

A few years ago, Richard Thomas, UK Information Commissioner, warned that Britain could "sleepwalk into a surveillance society".

Yesterday, Nick Clegg, Westminster's champion of liberal democracy, announced we were already there. He angrily challenged Gordon Brown for creating a "surveillance state" and making the UK the "most spied upon on the planet".

He referred to 1000 surveillance requests a day, one million "innocent people" on the government's DNA database and the "scandalous"

fingerprinting of pupils in some 5000 schools.

Yet, there appears to be evidence it is not just the state that is spying on people but that we are beginning to spy on each other - a so-called "counter-surveillance society".

Michael Marks, director of Spymaster, a leading supplier of surveillance equipment, declared that bugging had become "a way of life" in modern Britain.

He admitted to not being surprised that Sadiq Khan, UK Government whip and Labour MP for Tooting in London, and his constituent Babar Ahmad, a terror suspect, were bugged while chatting across a table at Woodhill Prison in Milton Keynes.

Mr Marks claimed eavesdropping was now widespread and increasing. It was, he explained, used by everyone - from large companies trying to stay ahead of their competitors to worried wives checking on their wayward husbands.

"We are finding more people coming for counter- surveillance. Maybe they feel like they are being watched.

"One has to accept that there is a little paranoia involved but one can't deny the times that we live in," said Mr Marks.

Spymaster supplies about 40% of its equipment to the business world, while 20% goes to government departments and law enforcement agencies, which suggests the remaining 40% goes to individuals.

There is no industry association to keep track of the number of devices sold, but Mr Marks estimated the business in the UK was now worth hundreds of millions of pounds.

He said advances in technology, such as GSM, global system for mobile communications, were making surveillance easier to carry out. Investigators no longer need to park in a van outside an office to listen to a bug which had been planted; with GSM, they could eavesdrop from the other side of the world.

The Surveillance Studies Network (SSN), whose 2006 report for the Information Commissioner helped prompt a Commons inquiry, said that everyday life was "suffused with surveillance encounters" and the 4.2 million CCTV cameras represented one for every 13 people.

The gathering of personal data and information has become vital, with loyalty cards, credit cards, and even internet use able to be tracked.

The SSN report observed: "Most profoundly, all of today's surveillance processes and practices bespeak a world where we know we're not really trusted".


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Posted by: Arthur on 12:55am Thu 7 Feb 08
Only someone with nothing to fear opposes cameras, they say. I hope all politicians spouting that nonsense are happy to have live web cams in their living rooms.

What's that? Got something to hide after all?
Posted by: chipshoponmyshoulder, glasgow on 1:00am Thu 7 Feb 08
I'll tell you this much there ain't 4.2 m people monitoring the footage
Posted by: Jwil, Lanarkshire on 1:08am Thu 7 Feb 08
4.2m cameras watch us... so is Big Brother already here?

This is another union dividend and I would hope that when independence comes, the government would take stock of this imposition in all our lives and try to find a more sensible policy.

In fact I think the SNP should take umbrage with Westminster right now!
Posted by: Jwil, Lanarkshire on 1:50am Thu 7 Feb 08
Only someone with nothing to fear opposes cameras, they say.

A false premise! This only applies if we have an incorruptable society. Films and videos can be manipulated and people can be stitched up. There will be very few people who have never broken the law, even if it a very small infringement!.

Posted by: Donald Anderson, glasgow on 5:13am Thu 7 Feb 08
In 1983 I telt the Herald that 1984 was coming - and it did.
Posted by: Seoc Colla, Glasgow on 6:05am Thu 7 Feb 08
Those spy cameras could be put to good use and reveal the slit trenches and craters that are called roads in these parts.
Posted by: Grandpaw, Glasgow on 6:50am Thu 7 Feb 08
If people were properly punished to make sure they didn't even think for one micro-second about commiting crime, then there would be no need for these cameras.
Posted by: Jim, Glasgow on 8:36am Thu 7 Feb 08
And some people are concerned over ID Cards.
Posted by: Tony88, Glasgow on 9:11am Thu 7 Feb 08
The problem here is not too many cameras but that most of them are useless. Many don't work and most of them have not kept pace with technology and provide very grainy images which are worse than useless in terms of using the images as evidence in court. There is absolutely nothing wrong with CCTV in our towns and cities to help protect decent people from the feral neanderthals. I would just like to see more updated technology and lots more prosecutions.
Posted by: Tony88, Glasgow on 9:13am Thu 7 Feb 08
The problem here is not too many cameras but that most of them are useless. Many don't work and most of them have not kept pace with technology and provide very grainy images which are worse than useless in terms of using the images as evidence in court. There is absolutely nothing wrong with CCTV in our towns and cities to help protect decent people from the feral neanderthals. I would just like to see more updated technology and lots more prosecutions.
Posted by: Al on 9:17am Thu 7 Feb 08
Arthur wrote:
Only someone with nothing to fear opposes cameras, they say. I hope all politicians spouting that nonsense are happy to have live web cams in their living rooms.

What's that? Got something to hide after all?
Really? We'll stick some camera's in your house and bug your phone then.
Posted by: Scunnert, Travelling in Nihlon on 9:22am Thu 7 Feb 08
Tony88 wrote:
The problem here is not too many cameras but that most of them are useless. Many don't work and most of them have not kept pace with technology and provide very grainy images which are worse than useless in terms of using the images as evidence in court. There is absolutely nothing wrong with CCTV in our towns and cities to help protect decent people from the feral neanderthals. I would just like to see more updated technology and lots more prosecutions.
If we have a problem with feral neanderthals wouldn't cops on the beat provide greater security? With CCTV cameras they may be able to catch the perpetrator but that might be cold comfort to you in your grave. Why don't we hold the police and governments to account for ensuring our safety without giving up our "liberty to secure our freedom"?
Posted by: Mike, Edinburgh on 9:56am Thu 7 Feb 08
I dont have a real problem with Cameras being used in City Centers to monitor crime.

I dont have a problem with cameras monitoring traffic to help solve traffic congestion.

I do have a problem with even one camera being used to monitor people going about their day to day business.

I do have a problem with the police having the right to be in charge of any camera system without the checks and balances that protect our rights.

I have a problem with ID cards. I fail to see why we should carry something about that contains personal information about individuals Scots. Exactly what would justify them?. Nothing in this world would as far as I am concerned. Compare the amount of terrorist attacks in the UK as a whole with the attacks by the IRA freedomfighters. Now that was a terrorist war that resulted in the loss of life, yet we didnt suddenly get a government trying to make us fear Muslims or any other minority. What is the motivation for a more Big Brother style government that constantly attempts to erode our rights as the people who actually own this land. We tell them what to do, not the other way around,.
Posted by: Meep, Shawlands on 10:24am Thu 7 Feb 08
CCTV is not for the benefit of the people. Its for the benefit of the government. Browns response that CCTV "helped to reassure people" is nonsensical. Glasgow has had CCTV for almost 2 decades now and the crime levels are has high has ever. There needs to be a campaign to remove CCTV and use the money saved for something better.
Posted by: Bigal, glasgow on 11:16am Thu 7 Feb 08
I drove over the southbound lane of the Erskine Bridge a few days ago and noticed a camera turned not on the carriageway but facing east towards the houses at Old Kilpatrick.Im not saying that some operator was looking into houses there but there was certainly the opportunity to do so.
I would have brought the matter to the appropriate authority but who is this?
CCTV cameras are insidious,the mark of the state,the mark of a Government which places no trust whatsoever in its citizens.
Posted by: sadsack, glasgow on 12:11pm Thu 7 Feb 08
cant leave the house now without someone watching me
i went to russia some 30 years ago at the hieght of comunism and was never watched as much as i am in my own country get rid of cameras make police do wot their paid to do
Posted by: Bankie, Clydebank on 12:46pm Thu 7 Feb 08

Bigal

As a long standing complainer of the Erskine Bridge closures over the years, I can advise that the people to complain to about the bridge (and I expect the cameras) and the M8 & M898 is the Scottish Office, National Roads Directorate, who use AMEY ....(non motorway roads are maintained by councils).

AS for the camera on the bridge, who knows, if it works at all, can't say I have much faith in the general maintenance of any of the roads around these parts.


Posted by: Neil, Aberdeenshire on 12:51pm Thu 7 Feb 08
And now all domestic passengers departing from Heathrow Airport are to be fingerprinted and photographed. Why? As some spurious excuse to allow them access to the shopping area which is the international departures. It has come to this; a civil airport considers it appropriate to fingerprint and photograph people travelling within the UK so that they can be herded into a shopping mall, and enough people find this acceptable to let it go unprotested. Even though you can't even check in without showing your passport!

You won't catch me flying through Heathrow any time soon.
Posted by: allymax, uk on 4:03pm Thu 7 Feb 08
'Scunnert, travelling in nihlon 9.22am',
Here, here. a lot of people fall for the New Labour guff about 'nothing to fear if you've nothing to hide' crap. This mantra is only a ploy Bliar used to deflect attention from his nasty megalomanic god complex politics.

The fact is we all have to fear the politics of fear; except of-course New Labour members and english crown office/scottish lord advocate angiolini.
Posted by: Bigal, glasgow on 8:28pm Thu 7 Feb 08
Bankie,
Thanks for your reply.For me the moment in particular is, as they say water under,in this case,the Erskine Bridge,but I sincerely hope that residents in the area get the point.Im surprised but not too that there was no official response to my post.
Regards.
Bigal
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