BROWN: Prime minister arrives in Afghanistan as battle rages
Gordon Brown today arrived in Afghanistan as a key battle continued to take a Taliban-controlled town.
The Prime minister flew in as troops fought in Musa Qala just 70 miles away.
The Prime Minister praised the courage of troops injured in the assault and paid tribute to the two killed.
Speaking at their Camp Bastion base, Mr Brown told 150 of the UK's 6000 troops in the country: "I want to thank all those who have been injured for their service and I want to remember all those who have given their lives in the service of their country."
Mr Brown spoke to members of 40 Commando Royal Marines, whose comrades have been involved in the fiercest battle faced by British forces in the country so far.
He told them: "I want to thank every one of you for what you have done in what is the front line against the Taliban.
"This is one of the most challenging of environments, this is one of the most difficult of tasks, this is one of the most testing of times."
The Prime Minister said: "When I speak of courage, I speak of men and women here who have shown huge bravery in really difficult circumstances.
"I know this weekend in Musa Qala some of you here have been doing a very important job in clearing the Taliban from that area.
"I know that the work you are doing today and in the next few days is important for the whole future in Afghanistan.
"If we can succeed there it will mean we can move forward events in Afghanistan in favour of a more peaceful future for this country.
"People in Britain are incredibly proud of what you are doing."
He stressed the troops' efforts were recognised "in every community of the country".
The visit came amid indications that Mr Brown will this week signal a "change of gear" in Afghanistan.
The Prime Minister will make a statement to MPs this week, putting pressure on other countries to carry more of the military burden.
While British, US, Dutch and Canadian forces are bearing the brunt - another UK soldier, sergeant Lee Johnson of 2nd Battalion The Yorkshire Regiment, lost his life at the weekend - pressure is mounting on others, including Norway, Germany and Poland, to do more.
On Friday in Edinburgh, senior ministers from Nato countries involved in Afghanistan will meet to take stock. It is likely that Des Browne, the Defence Secretary, will do some gentle arm-twisting to get more allies to commit troops to the combat missions. Britain currently has 7500 troops in Afghanistan.
Speaking from Kabul where he met Abdul Rahim Wardak, his Afghan counterpart, Mr Browne said: "There still is a need to meet the demands set by both the Nato and International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) commanders as to what the minimum amount of troops and support are.
"What is known as the requirement' has not yet been met and that is something we continue to discuss with our allies and friends in the international community, who can help provide additional support in Iraq and what the military effort needs."
Mr Browne said the allied attempt, led by the Afghan army, to retake Taliban stronghold Musa Qala, was a "very important operation" to remove the "scourge" of the extremists from the area.
"This is a long-term project. I don't personally feel any sense of disappointment that we have made this much progress in six years. In fact, the ISAF commitment across the whole country is only 12 months old," he told the BBC.
"From my own observations in five visits over 18 months, we have seen some significant progress. There are still a lot of challenges and I understand the insurgency is still strong in parts. But every day we have met it, we have overmatched it.
"Over this winter again we will see another significant shift in our ability to create security, which I hope
the Afghans can then take advantage of."
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Posted by: Angus Smith on 7:52am Mon 10 Dec 07
Dose this mean that the 50 odd fuel leaks reported in the flight logs of some aircraft will be fixed.
I as many of us are beside ourselves with anger at the political mastery of the M.O.D. and the CS snakes that manage it,a nothing compared to the greef and loss those poor families must be going through.
A charge of Murder in the first to the organisation above would be a start.
Dose this mean that the 50 odd fuel leaks reported in the flight logs of some aircraft will be fixed.
I as many of us are beside ourselves with anger at the political mastery of the M.O.D. and the CS snakes that manage it,a nothing compared to the greef and loss those poor families must be going through.
A charge of Murder in the first to the organisation above would be a start.
Posted by: Austin Tayshus on 10:34am Mon 10 Dec 07
It is a scandal that the German and Polish governments aren't fully committed to this fight. These are big countries with large armies and say they are NATO members but they don't seem to have the stomach for playing their part.
The Herald can't do much about this other than report it, but it can improve the quantity and quality of its reporting of the Afghanistan campaign. You cover the doings of ministers, but not the story inside the country. There is virtually no reporting of the fighting and its aims, the alliance building, the lives of the people. I go the The Telegraph for details of the hanging of the 12-year old boy. I go to the Times for information about the lives of the soldiers and information about the NATO angle.
It is a scandal that the German and Polish governments aren't fully committed to this fight. These are big countries with large armies and say they are NATO members but they don't seem to have the stomach for playing their part.
The Herald can't do much about this other than report it, but it can improve the quantity and quality of its reporting of the Afghanistan campaign. You cover the doings of ministers, but not the story inside the country. There is virtually no reporting of the fighting and its aims, the alliance building, the lives of the people. I go the The Telegraph for details of the hanging of the 12-year old boy. I go to the Times for information about the lives of the soldiers and information about the NATO angle.
Posted by: Austin Tayshus on 10:50am Mon 10 Dec 07
Actually, there's more to it than this. There's no linking to the issues in Iraq - probably because it doesn't serve the Herald's crude "troops out" line, and certainly no coverage of the developing Kosovo situation, where, again, the British Foreign Sectetary is calling for the Germans and others to commit some resources. Some of our NATO partners are falling short.
Actually, there's more to it than this. There's no linking to the issues in Iraq - probably because it doesn't serve the Herald's crude "troops out" line, and certainly no coverage of the developing Kosovo situation, where, again, the British Foreign Sectetary is calling for the Germans and others to commit some resources. Some of our NATO partners are falling short.
Posted by: Duns Scotus, The Borders on 12:14pm Mon 10 Dec 07
Austin Tayshus @ 10:34am
And which English newspaper do you turn to for news of the number of 12-year olds killed by US/UK/NATO bombs in Afghanistan or Iraq?
Austin Tayshus @ 10:34am
And which English newspaper do you turn to for news of the number of 12-year olds killed by US/UK/NATO bombs in Afghanistan or Iraq?
Posted by: Wullie, Aberdeen on 12:15pm Mon 10 Dec 07
Since Gordon Brown is now in a war zone, I bet his underwear is eh um brown.
Since Gordon Brown is now in a war zone, I bet his underwear is eh um brown.
Posted by: The West Awake, Argyll on 12:32pm Mon 10 Dec 07
I note that nowhere does it say that Musa Qala has been, or is expected to be, taken.
Reading in other reports, it appears that there may be up to 2000 well-armed Taliban dug-in and prepared for an assault by 3000 British troops. If this story just "disappears", I think it fair to assume we will have failed to retake this town.
One report I read quoted a Taliban leader saying they are now so confident they are ready to go on the offensive using conventional, rather than guerrilla, tactics. I'm sure there is spin in this, just as I'm sure we are spinning every bit as furiously.
Anyone watched "9th Company"? - a Russian movie, which borrows heavily from "Platoon" and " Apocalypse Now" etc, but gives a good insight into why they were beaten. At the time, the Russians had 130,000 troops in Afghanistan, - they were MAYBE not as well-trained, well-armed and well-lead as us, but they were tough as nails and often fighting for survival.
They lost.
One line in the movie has the sargeant-major saying "No-one has successfully beaten the Afghans...No-one...E
ver!
We are about to add to that list.
I note that nowhere does it say that Musa Qala has been, or is expected to be, taken.
Reading in other reports, it appears that there may be up to 2000 well-armed Taliban dug-in and prepared for an assault by 3000 British troops. If this story just "disappears", I think it fair to assume we will have failed to retake this town.
One report I read quoted a Taliban leader saying they are now so confident they are ready to go on the offensive using conventional, rather than guerrilla, tactics. I'm sure there is spin in this, just as I'm sure we are spinning every bit as furiously.
Anyone watched "9th Company"? - a Russian movie, which borrows heavily from "Platoon" and " Apocalypse Now" etc, but gives a good insight into why they were beaten. At the time, the Russians had 130,000 troops in Afghanistan, - they were MAYBE not as well-trained, well-armed and well-lead as us, but they were tough as nails and often fighting for survival.
They lost.
One line in the movie has the sargeant-major saying "No-one has successfully beaten the Afghans...No-one...E
ver!
We are about to add to that list.
Posted by: Juan Kerr and his magic hand....., INDEPENDENT SCOTLAND® on 12:41pm Mon 10 Dec 07
All the way through the NATO engagement in Afghanistan the Germans have been bottling it and remaining in base. The Scots , English and the Canadians are doing all the graft. It's about time they showed some pride.
All the way through the NATO engagement in Afghanistan the Germans have been bottling it and remaining in base. The Scots , English and the Canadians are doing all the graft. It's about time they showed some pride.
Posted by: Juan Kerr and his magic hand....., INDEPENDENT SCOTLAND® on 12:43pm Mon 10 Dec 07
All the way through the NATO engagement in Afghanistan the Germans have been bottling it and remaining in base. The Scots , English and the Canadians are doing all the graft. It's about time they showed some pride.
All the way through the NATO engagement in Afghanistan the Germans have been bottling it and remaining in base. The Scots , English and the Canadians are doing all the graft. It's about time they showed some pride.
Posted by: Duns Scotus, The Borders on 1:32pm Mon 10 Dec 07
Near Park Circus in Glasgow, overlooking Glasgow University is a statue to Lord Roberts, one of the donkeys that led lions. On it are named imperial escapades he was on including Afghanistan.
I think that Britain invaded Afghanistan three time in the 19th century and failed every time.
Enter the imperial elephant in the shape of Maggie Broon - he never forgets, but he also never learns.
Near Park Circus in Glasgow, overlooking Glasgow University is a statue to Lord Roberts, one of the donkeys that led lions. On it are named imperial escapades he was on including Afghanistan.
I think that Britain invaded Afghanistan three time in the 19th century and failed every time.
Enter the imperial elephant in the shape of Maggie Broon - he never forgets, but he also never learns.
Posted by: Rab Jones, Pollok # on 1:52pm Mon 10 Dec 07
Isn't it about time we went into Zimbabwe.
The people of Zimbabwe have been wanting us to go in for years. Magarbi is a pig and deserves jail.
Isn't it about time we went into Zimbabwe.
The people of Zimbabwe have been wanting us to go in for years. Magarbi is a pig and deserves jail.
Posted by: James, Edinburgh on 2:53pm Mon 10 Dec 07
Anti-War campaigners have planned a demonstration for the NATO meeting on friday, due to issues such as the mounting civilian casualties, the suppression of the time, date and location of the meeting (which has the effect of stifling our democratic right to protest), and NATO handing over prisoners to Afghan security forces who are torturing them.
Campaigners have also published the full details of the NATO meeting here: http://scotland.indy
media.org/newswire/d
isplay/5022/index.ph
p
Anti-War campaigners have planned a demonstration for the NATO meeting on friday, due to issues such as the mounting civilian casualties, the suppression of the time, date and location of the meeting (which has the effect of stifling our democratic right to protest), and NATO handing over prisoners to Afghan security forces who are torturing them.
Campaigners have also published the full details of the NATO meeting here: http://scotland.indy
media.org/newswire/d
isplay/5022/index.ph
p
Posted by: Duns Scotus, The Borders on 3:29pm Mon 10 Dec 07
Rab Jones, I agree with your sentiments but a wee pedantic word on the dictator's name - it is MUGABE. Ask a Yorkshireman, he'll know because it is Ee-bah-gum backwards.
Rab Jones, I agree with your sentiments but a wee pedantic word on the dictator's name - it is MUGABE. Ask a Yorkshireman, he'll know because it is Ee-bah-gum backwards.
Posted by: Mac, Dundee on 3:39pm Mon 10 Dec 07
Give Fearty Broon a gun, you know the standard issue assault rifle that jams, and send him to the frontline in Helmand.
Better still drop him from the bomb bay of a Nimrod at 10,000ft and see what the colateral damage would be.
SSSSPPPPPLLLLLAAAAAA
AAAATTTTTTTTTT!
Give Fearty Broon a gun, you know the standard issue assault rifle that jams, and send him to the frontline in Helmand.
Better still drop him from the bomb bay of a Nimrod at 10,000ft and see what the colateral damage would be.
SSSSPPPPPLLLLLAAAAAA
AAAATTTTTTTTTT!
Posted by: An t-Amadan, Alba on 3:53pm Mon 10 Dec 07
As the present leader of a country which illegally invaded Afghanistan, her should be tried there for aggression and murder and punished accordingly. The man, like his predecessor, is a murdering criminal and should be treated as such.
As the present leader of a country which illegally invaded Afghanistan, her should be tried there for aggression and murder and punished accordingly. The man, like his predecessor, is a murdering criminal and should be treated as such.
Posted by: sam, greenock on 5:59pm Mon 10 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Wullie[/bold] wrote:
Since Gordon Brown is now in a war zone, I bet his underwear is eh um brown.[/quote] Same colour as yours then Wullie, when you've been at the sheep
Wullie wrote:
Since Gordon Brown is now in a war zone, I bet his underwear is eh um brown.
Same colour as yours then Wullie, when you've been at the sheep
Posted by: Hal, Fife on 6:09pm Mon 10 Dec 07
Pity the Taliban are probably not as corrupt as The Wendy Alexander tribe... Maybe we need to sort ourselves out before we attack other countries.
Pity the Taliban are probably not as corrupt as The Wendy Alexander tribe... Maybe we need to sort ourselves out before we attack other countries.
Posted by: David, East Kilbride on 8:21pm Mon 10 Dec 07
Is Scotland next for invasion..
Is Scotland next for invasion..
Posted by: chipshoponmyshoulder, glasgow on 8:46pm Mon 10 Dec 07
Maybe the Taleban will be impressed with Gordon's bullying totalitarian style and offer him a job as Head of Policy. In fact he's probably a bit too extreme for their taste, they'd rather have someone a bit more touchy-feely like Genghis Khan.
If I was serving out there I couldn't even look the man in the eye without wanting to take the butt of my sub-standard rifle to his over-rehearsed and cosmetic-dentally reinforced coupon. The top brass however will have lined up a few sycophant stooges with careers to tell them how happy they are.
Stop this nauseating attempt at diverting attention from your ineptitude now and come back and sort out
(a) Impending fuel crisis
(b) MRSA in hospitals
(c) Corruption in political parties
(d) Early release of violent criminals
(e) Police pay dispute
(f) Northern Rock crisis
(g) Immigration
(h) Massive misuse of public money in
(1) NHS
(2) Education
(3) Justice System
(4) Defence Spending
(5) Transport Network
(6) Everything else
To name a mere few.
Or your tea will soon be oot.
Maybe the Taleban will be impressed with Gordon's bullying totalitarian style and offer him a job as Head of Policy. In fact he's probably a bit too extreme for their taste, they'd rather have someone a bit more touchy-feely like Genghis Khan.
If I was serving out there I couldn't even look the man in the eye without wanting to take the butt of my sub-standard rifle to his over-rehearsed and cosmetic-dentally reinforced coupon. The top brass however will have lined up a few sycophant stooges with careers to tell them how happy they are.
Stop this nauseating attempt at diverting attention from your ineptitude now and come back and sort out
(a) Impending fuel crisis
(b) MRSA in hospitals
(c) Corruption in political parties
(d) Early release of violent criminals
(e) Police pay dispute
(f) Northern Rock crisis
(g) Immigration
(h) Massive misuse of public money in
(1) NHS
(2) Education
(3) Justice System
(4) Defence Spending
(5) Transport Network
(6) Everything else
To name a mere few.
Or your tea will soon be oot.
Posted by: Melanthios on 10:14pm Mon 10 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Rab Jones[/bold] wrote:
Isn't it about time we went into Zimbabwe.
The people of Zimbabwe have been wanting us to go in for years. Magarbi is a pig and deserves jail.[/quote] Let's invade Sweden.
(This is about as sensible as your p¡sh)
ps...Do you mean Mugabe?
Rab Jones wrote:
Isn't it about time we went into Zimbabwe.
The people of Zimbabwe have been wanting us to go in for years. Magarbi is a pig and deserves jail.
Let's invade Sweden.
(This is about as sensible as your p¡sh)
ps...Do you mean Mugabe?
Posted by: Alex, Glasgow on 10:25pm Mon 10 Dec 07
This is the FOURTH time since 2001 that we have taken/attempted to take/retake Musu Qala - why does every attempt merit huge storylines, yet each failure merits nary a mention?
Also, this 'key battle' seems to be employing one primary tactic, namely that of bombing the place to smithereens. Still, Enduring Freedom, Hearts and Minds and all that eh?
Obviously, if such an operation were to be launched to complement a PR exercise on the part of Brown and Browne, that would be dreadful - which is presumably why The Herald would never, ever even contemplate suggesting such a thing, like the thoroughly 'embedded' hacks that they are...
This is the FOURTH time since 2001 that we have taken/attempted to take/retake Musu Qala - why does every attempt merit huge storylines, yet each failure merits nary a mention?
Also, this 'key battle' seems to be employing one primary tactic, namely that of bombing the place to smithereens. Still, Enduring Freedom, Hearts and Minds and all that eh?
Obviously, if such an operation were to be launched to complement a PR exercise on the part of Brown and Browne, that would be dreadful - which is presumably why The Herald would never, ever even contemplate suggesting such a thing, like the thoroughly 'embedded' hacks that they are...
Posted by: Rab MacGrabby, Eee Baa Gum on 11:16pm Mon 10 Dec 07
[quote][bold]Melanthios[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Rab Jones[/bold] wrote: Isn't it about time we went into Zimbabwe. The people of Zimbabwe have been wanting us to go in for years. Magarbi is a pig and deserves jail.[/quote] Let's invade Sweden. (This is about as sensible as your p¡sh) ps...Do you mean Mugabe?[/quote] Er, Oi fink its Mugrabby
Melanthios wrote:
Rab Jones wrote: Isn't it about time we went into Zimbabwe. The people of Zimbabwe have been wanting us to go in for years. Magarbi is a pig and deserves jail.
Let's invade Sweden. (This is about as sensible as your p¡sh) ps...Do you mean Mugabe?
Er, Oi fink its Mugrabby
Posted by: Duns Scotus, The Borders on 11:47pm Mon 10 Dec 07
Just published in The Times:
Populus interviewed a random sample of 1,506 adults aged 18 by telephone between December 7 and 9. Interviews were conducted across the country and the results have been weighted to be representative of all adults.
How would you vote if there were a general election tomorrow?
32% Labour (down 5)
40% Conservative (up 4)
16% LIb Dem (no change)
11% Other (no change)
Just published in The Times:
Populus interviewed a random sample of 1,506 adults aged 18 by telephone between December 7 and 9. Interviews were conducted across the country and the results have been weighted to be representative of all adults.
How would you vote if there were a general election tomorrow?
32% Labour (down 5)
40% Conservative (up 4)
16% LIb Dem (no change)
11% Other (no change)
Posted by: general spin, armchair near fife on 11:54pm Mon 10 Dec 07
Brown was fifty miles away ........ and from the reports on Newsnight phoned in by the Sunday Times journalist who was with troops from Yorkshire who were doing the actually fighting in Musa Qala they had not yet progressed beyond the outskirts of the town - despite heavy NATO bombardments ........ Brown may have been a bit premature in suggesting that all the Taleban had been 'cleared' from that area ......
Brown was fifty miles away ........ and from the reports on Newsnight phoned in by the Sunday Times journalist who was with troops from Yorkshire who were doing the actually fighting in Musa Qala they had not yet progressed beyond the outskirts of the town - despite heavy NATO bombardments ........ Brown may have been a bit premature in suggesting that all the Taleban had been 'cleared' from that area ......