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Alexander calls for more tax powers at Holyrood
DOUGLAS FRASER, Scottish Political EditorNovember 23 2007

Wendy Alexander last night called for financial controls at Holyrood, going further than the Labour leadership has ever done in backing a shift in powers.

The Scottish Labour leader told BBC's Question Time that English resentment at the share-out of resources should be addressed by looking at "the housekeeping bills". This is the first time she has spelled out support for a significant shift in fiscal powers.

Senior Labour figures have argued strongly against adding powers to those decided nearly 10 years ago in the Scotland Act, so this marks a major departure for the party in the wake of its humiliating loss of power earlier this year.

If it has not been cleared with Gordon Brown's leadership team in London - and there is no signal of that yet - it risks opening a row within the Labour Party. Ms Alexander told the BBC's studio audience in Glasgow that the issue is more important to most English people than resolving the problems arising from Scottish MPs having the power to influence English affairs when the English MPs cannot influence Scottish domestic matters.

The Scottish Labour leader said of the UK and recent pressures over voting powers and money distribution: "There's greater resentment in England, but there is a desire in Scotland to walk taller rather than to walk out. And part of walking taller is that we should take more financial responsibility for our own affairs in Scotland. We should not let the housekeeping bills get in the way of breaking the marriage. But the housekeeping bills deserve to be looked at again."

Ms Alexander said: "I don't take the position of being an unthinking unionist. There are tensions between Scotland and England. There are issues to be resolved. There's more interest in the financial relationship than on the question of votes."

Nicola Sturgeon, the SNP's deputy leader, welcomed her opponent's "conversion" to Scotland taking on more financial powers.

Annabel Goldie, the Scottish Tory leader who was also on Question Time, made a strong plea for English viewers not to fall for the "myths" from some commentators and parts of the English media about Scotland being over-generously funded by the Treasury.


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Posted by: Jack Gough, Lanarkshire on 1:03am Fri 23 Nov 07
Typical Nu-Liebour tactics. Take on the stance of those in power and pretend to be them. What next, Wendy 'promithing a referendum on independenth'?
Posted by: Ally, Motherwell on 2:51am Fri 23 Nov 07
We saw a different Wendy Alexander on this show. We will have to see if it was the real one.
Posted by: Dougie Douglas, Brisbane on 3:32am Fri 23 Nov 07
Dirty wedge politics from Wendy.

Continually picking fights with Westminister and diluting the union.
Posted by: Dougie Douglas, Brisbane on 3:34am Fri 23 Nov 07
Ms Alexander said: "I don't take the position of being an unthinking unionist.

Wendy are you suggesting that large amounts of your fellow unionists are unthinking?

Seems as though you are
Posted by: martin, dundee on 4:31am Fri 23 Nov 07
Wendy ''the mouth'' Alexander has realised that the Scottish people are fed up with London Labour policies. In order to try and get elected she has had to become more nationalistic and steal yet another SNP policy. As if Gordon doesnt have enough to worry about.This is howewever music to the ears of all Nats,as
he more fiscal autonony Scotland has the closer the nation is to independence.
Posted by: David, Perth on 4:41am Fri 23 Nov 07
I've got to say Wendy Alexander doesn't perform very well considering she's supposed to be the intellectual powerhorse of the Labour party in Scotland. She just doesn't impress me at all.

Labour need a strong leader in Scotland - I wonder who and where they'll come from.
Posted by: Macuistean, On the mainland on 5:19am Fri 23 Nov 07
"but there is a desire in Scotland to walk taller rather than to walk out. And part of walking taller is that we should take more financial responsibility for our own affairs in Scotland."
It is true that we have a desire to "walk taller" but why should we continue to subsidize England? Time to walk out. "more financial responsibility" ? It's our money but big brother in Westminster takes it. Yes, time to say good-bye.
Posted by: bert on 7:39am Fri 23 Nov 07
Strange that, before the election, she was adamant that no additional powers were required. Her change of heart seems to coincide with the change of government. Funny that. Let's hope it's many a year before there's a chance of a Labour resident in Bute House.

Oh, and, of course it's been cleared with London. There's not a cat in hell's chance she'd say it otherwise. Just look at the whole compensation row for Scottish farmers. We didn't hear a peep from her for weeks because she was told to keep it shut by London. How could someone who claims they'll stand up for the Scottish people remain silent on that issue? Standing up for the people they represent seems to be a completely alien concept to them.
Posted by: Buddie, paisley on 8:37am Fri 23 Nov 07
I gave up watching and went to bed after Wendy responded to several comments directed to her which referred to "her government" and of course the speakers were referring to the Westminster government. Wendy didn't apparently notice that she is not part of "that" government any more than she is part of "this" government. Thankfully.
Posted by: Rab the Ranter, Carluke on 8:50am Fri 23 Nov 07
Did I immagine it! Is WA now reposturing for life after GB is gone!

Scottish NuLab career politicians shall be unwelcome at Westminster!

What then Wendy? Where can you go?

AG also repostured a little.

The future is bright! The future is brightening!
Posted by: The Voice of Reason, Blairgowrie on 9:03am Fri 23 Nov 07
I thought Wendy did ok, and this talk of "conversion" is all baloney. I have no evidence to back this up, apart from common sense alone, but if there was a question put to all Unionist Scots along the lines of - "If Scotland became Independent would you take a big cream puff or be up for it?" there would be less than 10% who were overly grumpy.

Ardent "At all costs" Unionists are in a tiny minority in Scotland and I'd be the first to lay flowers at the feet of those few partaking in any post-independence exodus, apart from George Foulkes of course - he'd get tossed half a cart of dung.

VoR
Posted by: Mac, Dundee on 9:21am Fri 23 Nov 07
Gordon Brown is finished and Wee Wendy knows that. That and the fact she has performed poorly puts her own position at Holyrood in jeopardy. Wendy's coat is on a shuggily peg.

Last night was a performance designed to strengthen her own position within the party and an attempt to reach out to the majority of Scottish voters.

Wendy needs her own power-base and fast, something she thought she could do without with the patronage of Gordon Brown.

It is all too little and too late. She has made too many enemies within her own party and she doesn't have that public persona and gravitas to convince voters.
Posted by: teamdroid on 9:22am Fri 23 Nov 07
I'd be careful doing that, VoR. How would you know which pile was Lord Foulkes afterwards?
Posted by: The West Awake, Argyll on 9:26am Fri 23 Nov 07
"If it has not been cleared with Gordon Brown's leadership team in London - and there is no signal of that yet - it risks opening a row within the Labour Party. "

If this were the case then this in itself would be a much bigger story than precisely what the SLP picked to "rebel" over.
The SLP has been a profoundly dependent and loyal party, who have shown no experience or tradition whatsoever of independent (small i) thought or actions. The most glaring, and shameful, example of the SLPs inability to break its dependency on Westminster came with Dewars "fighting 50" in the 80s, who actually didn't fight at all, but rather exhibited base cowardice.
Such a shift - IF REAL - would be seismic.

I'm skeptical, I don't trust those Labour snakes one little bit, We'll see.
Posted by: Biffa on 9:30am Fri 23 Nov 07
What's this Wendy ,as well as implying that the majority of your colleagues are "unthinking" Unionists, you are admitting that the much celebrated "Union Dividend" isn't all it was cracked up to be?

I knew that in order to become electable in Scotland again Labour would have to try and steal the Nationalists clothes, but even I didn't think it would start so soon.

I predict an official name change for the "Northern branch" of the Party to come next. Something, oh I don't know , more distinctively, what's the word? Oh yeah SCOTTISH!

If I felt that in making these changes they had the interests of Scots and Scotland at heart I'd welcome them . Sadly they are the actions of discredited and rudderless politicians who are up against a wall and forced to adopt a stance that was previously anathema.
I wouldn't trust Wendy and her parcel o' North British rogues as far as I could throw them.
As for the idea that Irn Broon has not authorised this volte face. Pure fantasy and a rather pathetic attempt to suggest that Wendy has some kind of autonomy. She does nothing without clearance from her masters at Westminster and that includes this cynical load of b*llsh*t.


Posted by: art1000, Dunfermline on 10:06am Fri 23 Nov 07
Just when you thought it could not get worse for NuLab this appears in the Guardian about Northern Rock.

http://www.guardian.
co.uk/business/2007/
nov/23/northernrock.
bankofenglandgoverno
r

It appears that most of NR's assets have been sold off to a bank in Jersey. That means that the £30Billion of money that Broon borrowed in the name of the taxpayer to support NR is DOON THE PAN!

My guess is that there is a political earthquake on the way. The pound will start to tumble exacerbating the credit squeeze at home. I predict Darling within the next two weeks. Broon will probably have a nervous breakdown and quit for health reasons shortly afterwards. How can you have the loss of 30 Billion of public money on your conscience. He will go down as the biggest fool in BRITISH history. The public will demand a General Election and NuLab will consigned to oblivion before Christmas.

No wonder Wendy sees that Broon is fatally weakened and is looking to carve out some new political space for herself. For Scotland its no longer a choice about staying in the Union its about survival - we have to get out of the Union asap if we want to protect our assets and jobs.

Posted by: Midget Gem on 10:12am Fri 23 Nov 07
Interesting times Art1000. I think you are right about Darling, I can't see him surviving this. As for Brown's mental state, well even Alf Young is putting him on what amounts to a final warning today.
Events dear boy, events.....
Posted by: Rock Lobster, in a wee hole on 10:13am Fri 23 Nov 07
I agree with Biffa , in a couple of years if not sooner the labour and unionist party will say , we will match the SNP on every policy and spending commitment apart from a referendum, it worked for Tony in 97.
Posted by: The West Awake, Argyll on 10:16am Fri 23 Nov 07
Art 1000 - I agree mate, and I would add for good measure the upcoming revalations from the PFI deals which are about to be made public.
Fat private sector cats ripping off us taxpayers, mismanagement of PFI contracts, possibilities of Brown envelopes, etc etc.
Good ship HMS New Labour is in a perfect $hitstorm and the weather's getting worst.
Hell mend them.
Posted by: Albert, Glasgow on 10:24am Fri 23 Nov 07
Flotilla of retired admirals and generals attack Gazza Broon and the TV news calls it "picking a fight with Westminster ". Sounds familiar, eh?

Add to that the following lorry load of banana skins for 10 Downing Street:-

Losing Scotland after 50 years of corruption, nepotism and chicanery

Floods (some preventable for various reasons)

Foot & Mouth escapes from government lab

Terrorist attacks

Sleepwalking towards a police state

Blair (the Metropolitan cop)

Northern Rock-up

Missing CDs

Croatia 3 Britain 2
Posted by: bairn, falkirk on 11:10am Fri 23 Nov 07
is it true nulab in scotland are having a name change to

snp 2nd eleven
Posted by: Ronald, Glasgow on 11:12am Fri 23 Nov 07
Its all gone "tits-up"- and it couldn'thappen to a nicer bunch! Das Nue Labour Party are finished. And thank goodness. Perhaps It
all started to go really off the rails when one Margaret Hilda Thatcher
went to tea. Then Lord Norman Von Tebbitt came out of the closet to
voice his support for New Labour. Most observers were revolted and appalled at this repugnant episode. The Mummy did indeed strike back!
But wait! All is not lost. there is one waiting in the wings to asume command of the sinking NEW LABOUR Uboat. Step forward Lord
George von Foulkes - a "true patriot" and charismatic leader! And just the man to rally the troops. After all its just the idiots, buffoons,
cretins and chancers that remain within the ranks. All the half-decent
members made their excuses and defected ages ago.
It really is going to be a delicious spectacle watching the NEW LABOUR filth tearing the Party asunder as they seek to position themselves as far away from the waking disaster that is Gordon"Magie" Brown as posible. I can't wait!! hahhahahha
Posted by: David Alexander on 11:31am Fri 23 Nov 07
But there is a desire in Scotland to walk taller...

Yeah, to get up from our knees and stop grovelling to Westminster.
Posted by: Pete, Bearsden on 11:46am Fri 23 Nov 07
re: david perth - I don't think Labour has any "intellectual powerhorses" (or was that supposed to be "powerhouses?") - no matter - they dont have them either
Posted by: sam, greenock on 11:49am Fri 23 Nov 07
ALEXANDER CALLS FOR MORE POWER AT HOLYROOD (for Nu-Lab)
Some hope!
Posted by: Brian Hill, Edinburgh on 12:39pm Fri 23 Nov 07
Clearly Labour's own private polls are showing huge advances in support for the SNP for this particular Wendy u-turn to take place. The opposition, poor souls, are now beginning to sail as close to Independence as they dare.

Their smarter colleagues are rightly calling for a referendum NOW because they know that a referendum in 2010 will be lost whereas by having one now they stand a very good chance of winning it.

Trouble is whereas they certainly would win one it if were held tomorrow the longer it is delayed, even by 6 months, the less certain they would be of winning it. And this is why the opposition at Holyrood is rightly hesitant .

Personally I think they have missed the boat. They should have had the referendum before the SNP popular surge became unstoppable.
Posted by: TheGlaswegian, Edinburgh on 12:51pm Fri 23 Nov 07
Aye Wendy, away and check the "housekeeping" bills. The only problem you'll have is when you finally figure out that we are being shortchanged. You will need to choose whether lie to us or go head to head with your masters down south...
Posted by: SWBF, Argyll on 1:13pm Fri 23 Nov 07
To The Glaswegian

She already knows we are being short-changed, She's been lying to us all along.

Posted by: Jwil on 2:37pm Fri 23 Nov 07
Is this the way that Wendy intends to comunicate her policies to the people of Scotland, viz., through a TV show where there is limited scope for questioning her in more detail? I thing it is an affront to the Scots that she has done this. The last time she had a real (unreal?)interview on TV she was very reluctant to give a firm opinion on any of the issues she was asked about e.g. the nuclear issues.
Posted by: wisnaeme on 2:47pm Fri 23 Nov 07
I couldn't decide whether to fall off my perch or pi$h myself laughing as I inputed Wendy's haverings on the box last night.

Ah just couldn't believe she said that...., and I still can't believe either her or her mouth musak.

BTW. "Albert", add another to your list.

Mr Bown's pals in the private equity beezness are doing rather nicely apparently, at our expence as per usual. Ta verra much,Labour,not.

Qinetiq
.

Posted by: Jwil, Lanarkshire on 2:49pm Fri 23 Nov 07
On a related matter:

A letter in the East Kilbride news this week demonstrates that the Unionist PR dis-information machine is in full swing.

The content of this letter is straight out of the Labour Party spin doctor’s phrasebook and puts the correspondent in the ‘guise of an ordinary member of the public. My hope is that the "News " will now give equal weight to letters and articles which give the SNPs' side of the story. In my opinion a local newspaper should only be concerned to serve the best interests of the citizens within its circulation area and not the interests of any one political party. I am not sure that we are getting that at the moment.

Posted by: George Laird, Glasgow on 4:27pm Fri 23 Nov 07
Another non story about Alexander.

She could handle the powers she previously had!

zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Yours sincerely

George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University
Posted by: Albert, Glasgow on 5:59pm Fri 23 Nov 07
wisnaeme wrote:
I couldn't decide whether to fall off my perch or pi$h myself laughing as I inputed Wendy's haverings on the box last night. Ah just couldn't believe she said that...., and I still can't believe either her or her mouth musak. BTW. "Albert", add another to your list. Mr Bown's pals in the private equity beezness are doing rather nicely apparently, at our expence as per usual. Ta verra much,Labour,not. Qinetiq .
Good point - if anyone wants to research them, bear in mind it is pronounced "kinetic". The spelling is just another piece of obfuscation although they didn't realise it looks like an Aiberdeen hure offering credit facilities!
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