Over 170 arrested at Scottish base
More than 170 demonstrators were arrested today after they descended on a nuclear submarine base to mark the end of a year-long campaign.
A total of about protestors had descended on Faslane Naval Base on the Clyde, home of the UK's Trident fleet of nuclear submarines.
Many of them started blockading the main entrance by gluing themselves to the Tarmac outside and chaining themselves together and to the fence.
Police moved in quickly to start removing the demonstrators, making 94 arrests by 10.00am.
Witnesses spoke of a "continuous" stream of people being carried off by teams of officers.
The protesters were marking the end of Faslane 365, a year-long campaign against the hosting of the Trident fleet in Scotland.
It has led to more than 940 arrests and a recent report showed the cost of policing the base has exceeded £5 million.
Organisers of today's action vowed to mark the occasion through "colourful, creative and dramatic actions" at the base.
Coachloads of people started arriving shortly before 7am today, when they were greeted by a large police presence.
Protesters blocked the entrance to the main gate by lying on the ground with their arms linked by tubes.
Police used special cutting equipment to free them, before carrying them away to applause from the crowd.
Other protesters blocked the base's other entrance, as well as the A814 to Garelochhead, by lying on the ground with their arms linked by tubes.
Politicians from across the country, including MSPs and MEPs, also attended today's "Big Blockade".
Scottish Green Party co-leader Robin Harper MSP was among the first to arrive at Faslane today.
He said: "The police are clearing people more or less as soon as they lie down.
"It's clear they are expecting a lot more people to come down and perhaps want to get started straight away.
"There is a continuous stream of people being carried away, but more are replacing them."
He added: "The use, the threat of use, and the planned replacement of Trident are all illegal.
"We should take a lead in fighting the wars of this century - the war against poverty, injustice and environmental destruction - not spend £25 billion on weapons of mass destruction aimed at civilians.
"Trident is not wanted by UK citizens and I support this protest against Westminster's increasingly disastrous foreign and defence policy."
Glasgow SNP MSP Sandra White said: "I congratulate all those who have taken part in the Faslane 365 campaign this past year and been arrested for blockading the base.
"This is the most important event in the Scottish calendar this year because we can no longer afford both morally and financially to have these weapons of mass destruction on our shores."
Jill Evans MEP, Plaid Cymru deputy president, also voiced her support for the protest during her party's conference last week.
Strathclyde Police urged motorists to avoid the area around the base while the protest lasts.
A spokesman for Faslane Naval Base said the protests had not had an effect on the main operations and people inside.
He said: "They have not really affected us at all.
"Some gates have been closed as they have been this morning, but they have never affected the main priority of the base.
"I think it's unfortunate that the protests have had an impact on the local community."
He added: "The protests have lasted these last 12 months, but everyone in the base believes in democracy too."
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Posted by: LM, Galloway on 1:19pm Mon 1 Oct 07
[bold]Congratulations to all Faslane365ers![/bold]
No more Trident! No more Hiroshimas! No more war!
Congratulations to all Faslane365ers!
No more Trident! No more Hiroshimas! No more war!
Posted by: Colin B, Bearsden on 1:38pm Mon 1 Oct 07
Once again the bulk of the protesters are foreign nationals undermining the democracy of the UK and disrupting the lives of local residents. CND and many of the protesters are just a left wing political organisation . Why don't these protesters protest in China or at Russian submarine bases?
I see they have now started to involve children in their protests at Faslane . Disgraceful.
Once again the bulk of the protesters are foreign nationals undermining the democracy of the UK and disrupting the lives of local residents. CND and many of the protesters are just a left wing political organisation . Why don't these protesters protest in China or at Russian submarine bases?
I see they have now started to involve children in their protests at Faslane . Disgraceful.
Posted by: Alex, Rhu but now down south on 2:06pm Mon 1 Oct 07
Yet more wasted police budget. Yet more inconvenience to the local residents. And what have they achieved by their protests? Time for the locals to be more involved me thinks. A good start would be to get rid of the peace camp that blights the local area and is an embarrasment to all.
Yet more wasted police budget. Yet more inconvenience to the local residents. And what have they achieved by their protests? Time for the locals to be more involved me thinks. A good start would be to get rid of the peace camp that blights the local area and is an embarrasment to all.
Posted by: The West Awake, Argyll on 2:17pm Mon 1 Oct 07
Colin - Firstly, the 365 protest has been, as far as I could eye-witness, carried out by either Scottish or British people throughout the year. There were a few busloads I noticed last night and this morning from foreign countries, (including one from Finland) when I went past but I believe the crowd was (as usual) overwhelmingly British.
Secondly, having this disruption on MY doorstep, - have you a right to speak for me all the way from leafy Bearsden I am wondering? - is insignificant as opposed to having the UK's entire nuclear deterrent parked up the street.
Would you like them sent over to you in Bearsden perhaps?
Lastly, the police (many from English forces I noted) response to this carnival-like, peaceful crowd was to cart them away wholesale to the cells. Radio Scotland announced that 40 had been arrested by 08.30am (I myself witnessed several in the space of a few minutes).
Frankly, I don't think you know what you are talking about.
Colin - Firstly, the 365 protest has been, as far as I could eye-witness, carried out by either Scottish or British people throughout the year. There were a few busloads I noticed last night and this morning from foreign countries, (including one from Finland) when I went past but I believe the crowd was (as usual) overwhelmingly British.
Secondly, having this disruption on MY doorstep, - have you a right to speak for me all the way from leafy Bearsden I am wondering? - is insignificant as opposed to having the UK's entire nuclear deterrent parked up the street.
Would you like them sent over to you in Bearsden perhaps?
Lastly, the police (many from English forces I noted) response to this carnival-like, peaceful crowd was to cart them away wholesale to the cells. Radio Scotland announced that 40 had been arrested by 08.30am (I myself witnessed several in the space of a few minutes).
Frankly, I don't think you know what you are talking about.
Posted by: David Alexander on 2:32pm Mon 1 Oct 07
Colin B & Alex
Ah, the inconvenience!
Imagine if you were on the receiving end of one of our WMDs.
(Delivered lovingly by our son of the manse).
Colin B & Alex
Ah, the inconvenience!
Imagine if you were on the receiving end of one of our WMDs.
(Delivered lovingly by our son of the manse).
Posted by: J Brown, Glasgow on 2:54pm Mon 1 Oct 07
Despite being strongly opposed to renewing Trident and refusing to vote any party with this as a policy I regard these people as nothing more than a pain in the ar*e. It's a disgrace that MPs are so brazen in their breaking of the law and their encouragement of others to do so.
Is the message that it's ok to break the law if you feel strongly enough about it? I have often voiced my opinion on this site about segregated state schooling being one of the most pressing issues in Scotland today. Is it ok for me to try and barricade the gates of my local Catholic Secondary tomorrow?
Whether some people like it or not this country has many people who support Britain's nuclear status as does the party in power. It's the price of democracy.
Despite being strongly opposed to renewing Trident and refusing to vote any party with this as a policy I regard these people as nothing more than a pain in the ar*e. It's a disgrace that MPs are so brazen in their breaking of the law and their encouragement of others to do so.
Is the message that it's ok to break the law if you feel strongly enough about it? I have often voiced my opinion on this site about segregated state schooling being one of the most pressing issues in Scotland today. Is it ok for me to try and barricade the gates of my local Catholic Secondary tomorrow?
Whether some people like it or not this country has many people who support Britain's nuclear status as does the party in power. It's the price of democracy.
Posted by: i Gibson, Carluke on 3:16pm Mon 1 Oct 07
[quote][bold]J Brown[/bold] wrote:
Despite being strongly opposed to renewing Trident and refusing to vote any party with this as a policy I regard these people as nothing more than a pain in the ar*e. It's a disgrace that MPs are so brazen in their breaking of the law and their encouragement of others to do so.
Is the message that it's ok to break the law if you feel strongly enough about it? I have often voiced my opinion on this site about segregated state schooling being one of the most pressing issues in Scotland today. Is it ok for me to try and barricade the gates of my local Catholic Secondary tomorrow?
Whether some people like it or not this country has many people who support Britain's nuclear status as does the party in power. It's the price of democracy.[/quote] I agree these weapons are forced on us and I don't vote for parties who are pursuing trident. These people are costing taxpayer’s money and their protest has achieved nothing. If you want change, campaign for a party who want rid of nuclear weapons. Also if you were to voice your opinions on Catholic schools, you would quickly be denounced as a bigot in this country. We have two types of school in this country 'catholic' and 'non denominational', one run by teachers the other by religion.
J Brown wrote:
Despite being strongly opposed to renewing Trident and refusing to vote any party with this as a policy I regard these people as nothing more than a pain in the ar*e. It's a disgrace that MPs are so brazen in their breaking of the law and their encouragement of others to do so.
Is the message that it's ok to break the law if you feel strongly enough about it? I have often voiced my opinion on this site about segregated state schooling being one of the most pressing issues in Scotland today. Is it ok for me to try and barricade the gates of my local Catholic Secondary tomorrow?
Whether some people like it or not this country has many people who support Britain's nuclear status as does the party in power. It's the price of democracy.
I agree these weapons are forced on us and I don't vote for parties who are pursuing trident. These people are costing taxpayer’s money and their protest has achieved nothing. If you want change, campaign for a party who want rid of nuclear weapons. Also if you were to voice your opinions on Catholic schools, you would quickly be denounced as a bigot in this country. We have two types of school in this country 'catholic' and 'non denominational', one run by teachers the other by religion.
Posted by: Rab Jones, Pollok # on 3:38pm Mon 1 Oct 07
all of the protestors are sad bar stewards who have nothing to do with their time.
No one gives a toss about faslane protestors anymore, that's why you don't get Sheridan or Galloway going anymore, because it never makes any kind of news.
2 million walked the streets of London opposing the Iraq war, did it make a difference? No.
So why does a handful of unwashed dole dossers bother going? No one cares.
all of the protestors are sad bar stewards who have nothing to do with their time.
No one gives a toss about faslane protestors anymore, that's why you don't get Sheridan or Galloway going anymore, because it never makes any kind of news.
2 million walked the streets of London opposing the Iraq war, did it make a difference? No.
So why does a handful of unwashed dole dossers bother going? No one cares.
Posted by: Archie, Argyll on 4:13pm Mon 1 Oct 07
The moronic existence of these grotesque installations all over the planet is a reflexion of the moronic baastaards who gain control any way they can and breaking the law is no deterrent to morons it would appear.
The world is an amazing place yet the mentality of the military minded is ignorant of this as throughout history the sadly flawed have seen it as their right to collectively destroy it as they seek superiority over others.
RAB some people do care about the state of affairs regarding these onerous tools for MORONS.
The problem is that there are far too many of them.
Both the weapons and the MORONS who control them.
The moronic existence of these grotesque installations all over the planet is a reflexion of the moronic baastaards who gain control any way they can and breaking the law is no deterrent to morons it would appear.
The world is an amazing place yet the mentality of the military minded is ignorant of this as throughout history the sadly flawed have seen it as their right to collectively destroy it as they seek superiority over others.
RAB some people do care about the state of affairs regarding these onerous tools for MORONS.
The problem is that there are far too many of them.
Both the weapons and the MORONS who control them.
Posted by: Jinty, Rosneath on 4:32pm Mon 1 Oct 07
The local people are glad to see the end of this farce. The protestors regularly preach about tolerance but have shown little tolerance or respect for local residents. Faslane 365 say that they talk to local residents and try to cause a minimum of disruption to locals but these are the people who have treated us with distain and our pleas for the children to be able to get to school for exams were eventually and grudgingly acknowledged. I have met the several of the steering group and was shocked to discover that they are some of the most hard-line fanatical people I have ever met. They see only their cause, their point of view and I quote "its the price they pay for living next to faslane" is their attitude to what the locals endure whilst their attention seeking antics continue. On top of it all I hate the patronising moralising of these arrogant sh**s
The local people are glad to see the end of this farce. The protestors regularly preach about tolerance but have shown little tolerance or respect for local residents. Faslane 365 say that they talk to local residents and try to cause a minimum of disruption to locals but these are the people who have treated us with distain and our pleas for the children to be able to get to school for exams were eventually and grudgingly acknowledged. I have met the several of the steering group and was shocked to discover that they are some of the most hard-line fanatical people I have ever met. They see only their cause, their point of view and I quote "its the price they pay for living next to faslane" is their attitude to what the locals endure whilst their attention seeking antics continue. On top of it all I hate the patronising moralising of these arrogant sh**s
Posted by: Archie, Argyll on 5:29pm Mon 1 Oct 07
Jinty, Rosneath.
Speak for yourself Jinty as I am more concerned about the WEAPONS and those who control THEM.
We have NOT seen the end of a farce, but the way the MORONS who control and are involved in the proliferation of these absurd heinous weapons are behaving, despite it being ILLEGAL and there being an agreement to the contrary, it would appear that the MORONS are hellbent on continued F-wittery.
THEY WILL DESTROY THE PLANET then you will (not) see an end to THIS FARCE.
OUT WITH THE MORONS AND THEIR WEAPONS, ALL OVER PLANET EARTH is what sensible folk want.
Not a narrow minded blinkered group of fools worrying about trivialities while the PLANETS EXISTENCE and OURS is at stake.
And I don't mean the peace campers who I hardly notice incidentally.
I always seem to miss the distraction funnily enough.
Is it a gross exaggeration by bigots???
I think your assertions at the end of your post could easily be applied to the proliferating MORONS rather than the peaceniks
Cheers Jinty.
Jinty, Rosneath.
Speak for yourself Jinty as I am more concerned about the WEAPONS and those who control THEM.
We have NOT seen the end of a farce, but the way the MORONS who control and are involved in the proliferation of these absurd heinous weapons are behaving, despite it being ILLEGAL and there being an agreement to the contrary, it would appear that the MORONS are hellbent on continued F-wittery.
THEY WILL DESTROY THE PLANET then you will (not) see an end to THIS FARCE.
OUT WITH THE MORONS AND THEIR WEAPONS, ALL OVER PLANET EARTH is what sensible folk want.
Not a narrow minded blinkered group of fools worrying about trivialities while the PLANETS EXISTENCE and OURS is at stake.
And I don't mean the peace campers who I hardly notice incidentally.
I always seem to miss the distraction funnily enough.
Is it a gross exaggeration by bigots???
I think your assertions at the end of your post could easily be applied to the proliferating MORONS rather than the peaceniks
Cheers Jinty.
Posted by: joe90, Wishaw on 5:43pm Mon 1 Oct 07
[quote]2 million walked the streets of London opposing the Iraq war, did it make a difference? No.[/quote]
I quite agree - what is the point of British democracy if we can't do anything about British government propaganda campaigns and corporate news media lies, and prevent the British government carrying out the same crime as Hitler, 'unprovoked aggression' against Iraq?
Maybe the millions of innocent and defenceless victims we have spent billions of taxpayers money torturing, maiming and murdering in recent years in Lebanon, Occupied Palestine, Occupied Afghanistand and Occupied Iraq might want to put our glorious leaders on trial, Nuremberg style perhaps?
What is the point of opposing 'unprovoked aggression' or objecting to, what amounts to, illegal WMD - I thought that is why Britian invaded Iraq?
2 million walked the streets of London opposing the Iraq war, did it make a difference? No.
I quite agree - what is the point of British democracy if we can't do anything about British government propaganda campaigns and corporate news media lies, and prevent the British government carrying out the same crime as Hitler, 'unprovoked aggression' against Iraq?
Maybe the millions of innocent and defenceless victims we have spent billions of taxpayers money torturing, maiming and murdering in recent years in Lebanon, Occupied Palestine, Occupied Afghanistand and Occupied Iraq might want to put our glorious leaders on trial, Nuremberg style perhaps?
What is the point of opposing 'unprovoked aggression' or objecting to, what amounts to, illegal WMD - I thought that is why Britian invaded Iraq?
Posted by: maragdubh, lewis on 6:51pm Mon 1 Oct 07
[quote][bold]J Brown[/bold] wrote:
Despite being strongly opposed to renewing Trident and refusing to vote any party with this as a policy I regard these people as nothing more than a pain in the ar*e. It\'s a disgrace that MPs are so brazen in their breaking of the law and their encouragement of others to do so. Is the message that it\'s ok to break the law if you feel strongly enough about it? I have often voiced my opinion on this site about segregated state schooling being one of the most pressing issues in Scotland today. Is it ok for me to try and barricade the gates of my local Catholic Secondary tomorrow? Whether some people like it or not this country has many people who support Britain\'s nuclear status as does the party in power. It\'s the price of democracy.[/quote] no, not the price of democracy but the cost of cowardice
J Brown wrote:
Despite being strongly opposed to renewing Trident and refusing to vote any party with this as a policy I regard these people as nothing more than a pain in the ar*e. It\'s a disgrace that MPs are so brazen in their breaking of the law and their encouragement of others to do so. Is the message that it\'s ok to break the law if you feel strongly enough about it? I have often voiced my opinion on this site about segregated state schooling being one of the most pressing issues in Scotland today. Is it ok for me to try and barricade the gates of my local Catholic Secondary tomorrow? Whether some people like it or not this country has many people who support Britain\'s nuclear status as does the party in power. It\'s the price of democracy.
no, not the price of democracy but the cost of cowardice
Posted by: maragdubh, lewis on 6:56pm Mon 1 Oct 07
[quote][bold]Rab Jones[/bold] wrote:
all of the protestors are sad bar stewards who have nothing to do with their time. No one gives a toss about faslane protestors anymore, that's why you don't get Sheridan or Galloway going anymore, because it never makes any kind of news. 2 million walked the streets of London opposing the Iraq war, did it make a difference? No. So why does a handful of unwashed dole dossers bother going? No one cares.[/quote] If politicians should not listen to these protesters, just who should they listen to. why don't we all just listen to you.
Rab Jones wrote:
all of the protestors are sad bar stewards who have nothing to do with their time. No one gives a toss about faslane protestors anymore, that's why you don't get Sheridan or Galloway going anymore, because it never makes any kind of news. 2 million walked the streets of London opposing the Iraq war, did it make a difference? No. So why does a handful of unwashed dole dossers bother going? No one cares.
If politicians should not listen to these protesters, just who should they listen to. why don't we all just listen to you.
Posted by: J Brown, Glasgow on 7:02pm Mon 1 Oct 07
[quote][bold]maragdubh[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]J Brown[/bold] wrote: Despite being strongly opposed to renewing Trident and refusing to vote any party with this as a policy I regard these people as nothing more than a pain in the ar*e. It\'s a disgrace that MPs are so brazen in their breaking of the law and their encouragement of others to do so. Is the message that it\'s ok to break the law if you feel strongly enough about it? I have often voiced my opinion on this site about segregated state schooling being one of the most pressing issues in Scotland today. Is it ok for me to try and barricade the gates of my local Catholic Secondary tomorrow? Whether some people like it or not this country has many people who support Britain\'s nuclear status as does the party in power. It\'s the price of democracy.[/quote] no, not the price of democracy but the cost of cowardice[/quote] So answer my question: Is it ok for me to barricade the school gates tomorrow or is it only your beliefs that you consider so morally correct they give you legitimacy to break the law?
Am I being a moral coward by merely complaining to my MP and voicing my beliefs on forums?
maragdubh wrote:
J Brown wrote: Despite being strongly opposed to renewing Trident and refusing to vote any party with this as a policy I regard these people as nothing more than a pain in the ar*e. It\'s a disgrace that MPs are so brazen in their breaking of the law and their encouragement of others to do so. Is the message that it\'s ok to break the law if you feel strongly enough about it? I have often voiced my opinion on this site about segregated state schooling being one of the most pressing issues in Scotland today. Is it ok for me to try and barricade the gates of my local Catholic Secondary tomorrow? Whether some people like it or not this country has many people who support Britain\'s nuclear status as does the party in power. It\'s the price of democracy.
no, not the price of democracy but the cost of cowardice
So answer my question: Is it ok for me to barricade the school gates tomorrow or is it only your beliefs that you consider so morally correct they give you legitimacy to break the law?
Am I being a moral coward by merely complaining to my MP and voicing my beliefs on forums?
Posted by: Tom McAlister on 7:39pm Mon 1 Oct 07
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The right to peaceful protest is one of the cornerstones of what is left of our civil responsibilites and note well that I stated it is a civic responsibility. it is a civic responsibility to oppose and express an individual's conciousness and their concerns, for themselves, for their neighbours, for their nation and for their fellow nations inhabiting planet earth..
it is their civic duty to express concern of the circumstances that may affect them and theirs.
Apathy by default has no place in a person belonging to any society and who is a member of any community where so ever. You are either a member of planet earth community or you're not.
No such thing as 'not',eh.
The doctrine of they say and we the public pay is an abomination.
Was this evil imposed on Scotland done with the Scottish nations full consent? Was a conversation between governed and UK governance enacted or public debate encouraged or taken notice of in matters of public concern over nuclear weapons or the lack of them in other places ?
Are they acceptable in todays modern, forward thinking, increasingly international aware, Scottish nation?
The answer to that is a resounding No. Across a broad spectrum of political views and none there is unease at many aspects of UK governance.There is more than a little public unease in matters of nuclear deployment and threat of use.
Do you feel safe with Neo Con control over who threatens to press the button and when?
All Scotland is in matters, nuclear is an unsinkable nuclear weapons container under Uncle Sam's command.
and the Scottish nation is being cast into penury for the dubious privilige of being so, both fiscally and morally. Brit Nat independent nuclear deterent? Who is gullible enough to believe that.
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The right to peaceful protest is one of the cornerstones of what is left of our civil responsibilites and note well that I stated it is a civic responsibility. it is a civic responsibility to oppose and express an individual's conciousness and their concerns, for themselves, for their neighbours, for their nation and for their fellow nations inhabiting planet earth..
it is their civic duty to express concern of the circumstances that may affect them and theirs.
Apathy by default has no place in a person belonging to any society and who is a member of any community where so ever. You are either a member of planet earth community or you're not.
No such thing as 'not',eh.
The doctrine of they say and we the public pay is an abomination.
Was this evil imposed on Scotland done with the Scottish nations full consent? Was a conversation between governed and UK governance enacted or public debate encouraged or taken notice of in matters of public concern over nuclear weapons or the lack of them in other places ?
Are they acceptable in todays modern, forward thinking, increasingly international aware, Scottish nation?
The answer to that is a resounding No. Across a broad spectrum of political views and none there is unease at many aspects of UK governance.There is more than a little public unease in matters of nuclear deployment and threat of use.
Do you feel safe with Neo Con control over who threatens to press the button and when?
All Scotland is in matters, nuclear is an unsinkable nuclear weapons container under Uncle Sam's command.
and the Scottish nation is being cast into penury for the dubious privilige of being so, both fiscally and morally. Brit Nat independent nuclear deterent? Who is gullible enough to believe that.
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Posted by: Jinty, Rosneath on 8:51pm Mon 1 Oct 07
Archies's rant is exactly the kind of patronising moralising I was talking about. I dont think many people living in the shadow of Faslane, Coulport or Glen Douglas need to be educated about the moral, ethical, political or financial issues surrounding trident. I personally consider it obscene in every sense but I also find the deliberate action of blocking the B814 instead of Coulport because it gets better press abhorrant. Archie your reaction is the very typically hostile one that the peninsula residents who live trapped beyond the blockade have had to endure because apparantly the personal freedoms that allow protests are only important if you don't live here. No-one has asked for the protests to stop, just not to block the road.
Archies's rant is exactly the kind of patronising moralising I was talking about. I dont think many people living in the shadow of Faslane, Coulport or Glen Douglas need to be educated about the moral, ethical, political or financial issues surrounding trident. I personally consider it obscene in every sense but I also find the deliberate action of blocking the B814 instead of Coulport because it gets better press abhorrant. Archie your reaction is the very typically hostile one that the peninsula residents who live trapped beyond the blockade have had to endure because apparantly the personal freedoms that allow protests are only important if you don't live here. No-one has asked for the protests to stop, just not to block the road.
Posted by: jonny bond, glasgow on 8:58pm Mon 1 Oct 07
War is a matter of vital importance to the state: the province of life or death: the road to survival or ruin. It is mandatory that it be thoroughly studied.
Sun Tzu was trying to say that to be unable to defend yourself is a crime for a state. I dont think sun tzu would turn his sword into a ploughsare in times of peace he said in times of peace a gentlemen keeps his sword by his side. Just as our sword is by the side of fastlane
War is a matter of vital importance to the state: the province of life or death: the road to survival or ruin. It is mandatory that it be thoroughly studied.
Sun Tzu was trying to say that to be unable to defend yourself is a crime for a state. I dont think sun tzu would turn his sword into a ploughsare in times of peace he said in times of peace a gentlemen keeps his sword by his side. Just as our sword is by the side of fastlane
Posted by: jonny bond, glasgow on 9:00pm Mon 1 Oct 07
Name one nuclear armed state that has been attacked by anybody in history.
Name one nuclear armed state that has been attacked by anybody in history.
Posted by: Jinty, Rosneath on 9:02pm Mon 1 Oct 07
P.S. I thought that the scottish courts deemed that Trident is not illegal and Angie Zelter is currently preparing to go back to court to fight this. I wish her well in this endeavour even if i have openly and publically critised the practices of Faslane 365.
P.S. I thought that the scottish courts deemed that Trident is not illegal and Angie Zelter is currently preparing to go back to court to fight this. I wish her well in this endeavour even if i have openly and publically critised the practices of Faslane 365.
Posted by: brian on 9:22pm Mon 1 Oct 07
[quote][bold]Colin B[/bold] wrote:
Once again the bulk of the protesters are foreign nationals undermining the democracy of the UK and disrupting the lives of local residents. CND and many of the protesters are just a left wing political organisation . Why don\\\\\\\'t these protesters protest in China or at Russian submarine bases? I see they have now started to involve children in their protests at Faslane . Disgraceful.[/quote] What right-wing ideological pap - how would you like your chidlren to be born deformed due to radiation?
Colin B wrote:
Once again the bulk of the protesters are foreign nationals undermining the democracy of the UK and disrupting the lives of local residents. CND and many of the protesters are just a left wing political organisation . Why don\\\\'t these protesters protest in China or at Russian submarine bases? I see they have now started to involve children in their protests at Faslane . Disgraceful.
What right-wing ideological pap - how would you like your chidlren to be born deformed due to radiation?
Posted by: Lance, Glasgow on 10:49pm Mon 1 Oct 07
[quote][bold]jonny bond[/bold] wrote:
Name one nuclear armed state that has been attacked by anybody in history.[/quote] India versus China border wars: India versus Pakistan in Kashmir: Russia attacked by Chechnyans in Moscow: the US attacked on September 11th: Britain attacked on 7/7: how did possession of nuclear weapons stop or deter any of these?
jonny bond wrote:
Name one nuclear armed state that has been attacked by anybody in history.
India versus China border wars: India versus Pakistan in Kashmir: Russia attacked by Chechnyans in Moscow: the US attacked on September 11th: Britain attacked on 7/7: how did possession of nuclear weapons stop or deter any of these?
Posted by: joe90, Wishaw on 10:58pm Mon 1 Oct 07
[quote]Name one nuclear armed state that has been attacked by anybody in history.[/quote]
- so you didn't believe Blair and the news media lies that Saddam was 45 minutes away from attacking the UK ?
Name one nuclear armed state that has been attacked by anybody in history.
- so you didn't believe Blair and the news media lies that Saddam was 45 minutes away from attacking the UK ?
Posted by: Archie, Argyll on 11:20pm Mon 1 Oct 07
Jinty
As I said Jinty, I have not been affected by the "protests" and also there is an alternative route for the traffic up the hill along a bit and down the hill again.
It is typical perhaps for YOU to "rant" about my opinion because it does not echo yours and your presumptions are nothing short of astonishing when you consider where I do live.
Also, how long was the road into Garelochead blocked for when you consider that the Police arrest anyone who tries to do so and they aren't exactly undermanned when it comes to this.
By the way if you are so worried about being held up, what do you make of the 10mph. signs from Garelochead to Rosneath, given that the resurfacing work was done months ago?
Now there is something that is bizarre eh?
Instead of doing the white lines they added more 10mph signs.
Have you noticed that?
Cheers again.
Jinty
As I said Jinty, I have not been affected by the "protests" and also there is an alternative route for the traffic up the hill along a bit and down the hill again.
It is typical perhaps for YOU to "rant" about my opinion because it does not echo yours and your presumptions are nothing short of astonishing when you consider where I do live.
Also, how long was the road into Garelochead blocked for when you consider that the Police arrest anyone who tries to do so and they aren't exactly undermanned when it comes to this.
By the way if you are so worried about being held up, what do you make of the 10mph. signs from Garelochead to Rosneath, given that the resurfacing work was done months ago?
Now there is something that is bizarre eh?
Instead of doing the white lines they added more 10mph signs.
Have you noticed that?
Cheers again.
Posted by: Jinty, Rosneath on 11:57pm Mon 1 Oct 07
Archie, sorry but I can't consider where you do live because I could not presume to guess from the whole of Argyll. Yes there is an access route IF YOU HAVE A CAR. Alot of people in this area have to rely on public transport. I'm very glad none of this has affected you, well done, you are part of a lucky minority.
Archie, sorry but I can't consider where you do live because I could not presume to guess from the whole of Argyll. Yes there is an access route IF YOU HAVE A CAR. Alot of people in this area have to rely on public transport. I'm very glad none of this has affected you, well done, you are part of a lucky minority.
Posted by: Archie, Argyll on 1:49am Tue 2 Oct 07
Jinty.
Perhaps its the BASE thats the problem then Jinty.
As one can conclude that if it was not there then there would not be any protests disrupting the buses which seemingly are not able to change their route to going up and down the hill if one were to believe your assertions.
That detour would add about 5 mins. onto their journey time and in fact this is what they done when the much more prolonged disruption occured when they were installing the sewage pipe along the shore on loch long. The buses went the MUCH longer way for ages, and also the debacle of the time it took them to repair the bridge at Garelochead which took so long that I could have done it myself with a wheelbarrow and a pick much quicker.
The time added onto your bus journey from Rosneath via Garelochead due to the 10mph speed limit for 6 miles is 12 minutes. This is more than double the delay in having to go up the hill and down again, yet you haven't answered what you thought of that disruption, that together with the pipe being fitted, which incidentally still has many houses still to connect with it going by the number of old open sewer pipes STILL feeding into the sea at south Loch Long and the stink that persists, constituted a far greater disruption by far that which occured due to protests at Faslane.
It seems to me that you are being rather selective when it comes to the REAL causes of disruption and delay (and the stink) on the Rosneath peninsula.
I cant say it has gone unnoticed to me that there are a large number of anti-peace campers who blow out of all proportion the effect of their presence when one considers the much larger detrimental effect of the base itself and the lack of concern at the effects of the apparent "sewage" pipe scam and the 10mph speed limit that has been there for quite a while now as the road repair scam team hold everyone up.
I definitely have noticed that, HAVE YOU????????????
Jinty.
Perhaps its the BASE thats the problem then Jinty.
As one can conclude that if it was not there then there would not be any protests disrupting the buses which seemingly are not able to change their route to going up and down the hill if one were to believe your assertions.
That detour would add about 5 mins. onto their journey time and in fact this is what they done when the much more prolonged disruption occured when they were installing the sewage pipe along the shore on loch long. The buses went the MUCH longer way for ages, and also the debacle of the time it took them to repair the bridge at Garelochead which took so long that I could have done it myself with a wheelbarrow and a pick much quicker.
The time added onto your bus journey from Rosneath via Garelochead due to the 10mph speed limit for 6 miles is 12 minutes. This is more than double the delay in having to go up the hill and down again, yet you haven't answered what you thought of that disruption, that together with the pipe being fitted, which incidentally still has many houses still to connect with it going by the number of old open sewer pipes STILL feeding into the sea at south Loch Long and the stink that persists, constituted a far greater disruption by far that which occured due to protests at Faslane.
It seems to me that you are being rather selective when it comes to the REAL causes of disruption and delay (and the stink) on the Rosneath peninsula.
I cant say it has gone unnoticed to me that there are a large number of anti-peace campers who blow out of all proportion the effect of their presence when one considers the much larger detrimental effect of the base itself and the lack of concern at the effects of the apparent "sewage" pipe scam and the 10mph speed limit that has been there for quite a while now as the road repair scam team hold everyone up.
I definitely have noticed that, HAVE YOU????????????
Posted by: The Silent Majority on 8:15am Tue 2 Oct 07
Whilst 'crustys' of the world unite at Faslane, the good people of the Strathclyde Police Force area suffer as hundreds of officers are drafted in to deal with these kretins. I don't agree with nuclear wepaons, however a bunch of malcontents and the usual rent-a-mob are not going to make a blind bit of diffrence to the presence of WMDs on the Clyde. I am concerned that if a pensioner is being robbed or a child is being abused that there are a lack of police resources to deal with these incidents - that's on top of the court time that's wasted on those arrested. How dare these patronising baarstewards turn up and pontificate about world peace and how the cost of the policing effort is justifiable. Now that 365 is over I wonder what other cause will take their fancy ? The only sure bet is that the tax payer will pick up the tab!
Whilst 'crustys' of the world unite at Faslane, the good people of the Strathclyde Police Force area suffer as hundreds of officers are drafted in to deal with these kretins. I don't agree with nuclear wepaons, however a bunch of malcontents and the usual rent-a-mob are not going to make a blind bit of diffrence to the presence of WMDs on the Clyde. I am concerned that if a pensioner is being robbed or a child is being abused that there are a lack of police resources to deal with these incidents - that's on top of the court time that's wasted on those arrested. How dare these patronising baarstewards turn up and pontificate about world peace and how the cost of the policing effort is justifiable. Now that 365 is over I wonder what other cause will take their fancy ? The only sure bet is that the tax payer will pick up the tab!
Posted by: Yok Finney, Ross-shire on 11:34am Tue 2 Oct 07
[quote]after they descended[/quote]
They didn't own helicopters. They arrived by cars and public transport like normal people do for a well-publicised event. Our police are bound to attend public assemblies. This event was very minor compared to every Saturday afternoon in Glasgow and far worse every Friday night. No knifes were brandished. So why did Strathclyde Police need reinforcements on a very quiet morning for them?
The professionals at Faslane have never lost one day's work or felt security threatened by a year of peaceful protesting.
OK some inconvenience was caused to local residents.
If a yachtsman went in front of my trawler on a downtide tow despite radio warnings and us flying the fishing signal from the forestay , I'd have to run him down then stop to pick up the pieces for I don't have immediate steering .. There will always be some conflict between tourists and locals.
after they descended
They didn't own helicopters. They arrived by cars and public transport like normal people do for a well-publicised event. Our police are bound to attend public assemblies. This event was very minor compared to every Saturday afternoon in Glasgow and far worse every Friday night. No knifes were brandished. So why did Strathclyde Police need reinforcements on a very quiet morning for them?
The professionals at Faslane have never lost one day's work or felt security threatened by a year of peaceful protesting.
OK some inconvenience was caused to local residents.
If a yachtsman went in front of my trawler on a downtide tow despite radio warnings and us flying the fishing signal from the forestay , I'd have to run him down then stop to pick up the pieces for I don't have immediate steering .. There will always be some conflict between tourists and locals.
Posted by: joe90, Wishaw on 2:38pm Tue 2 Oct 07
Saddam didn't have any WMD, but we British have still managed to murder over a million innocent defenceless Iraqis, and still counting, because the British government lied about Iraqi WMD - what would make a difference in a democracy such as Britian's, I wonder?
Maybe, instead of protesting we British should invade and mass-murder ourselves, that would teach us not to make and stockpile very expensive illegal WMD!
Illegal Iranian WMD anyone?
Saddam didn't have any WMD, but we British have still managed to murder over a million innocent defenceless Iraqis, and still counting, because the British government lied about Iraqi WMD - what would make a difference in a democracy such as Britian's, I wonder?
Maybe, instead of protesting we British should invade and mass-murder ourselves, that would teach us not to make and stockpile very expensive illegal WMD!
Illegal Iranian WMD anyone?
Posted by: Yok Finney, Ross-shire on 5:13am Wed 3 Oct 07
Number of submarines destoyed and lives lost from legal fishing activities in british and irish waters : NONE
Fishing Vessels sunk by poorly co-ordinated submarine maneouvres : into DOUBLE FIGURES
Down with all hands unless they could get the life-raft out in time.
Enemy shipping destoyed by the British Navy : one old hulk crewed by Argentinian schoolkids during the Thatcher years.
Number of submarines destoyed and lives lost from legal fishing activities in british and irish waters : NONE
Fishing Vessels sunk by poorly co-ordinated submarine maneouvres : into DOUBLE FIGURES
Down with all hands unless they could get the life-raft out in time.
Enemy shipping destoyed by the British Navy : one old hulk crewed by Argentinian schoolkids during the Thatcher years.
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