Threat to end sale of alcohol in petrol stations
Garages and petrol station forecourt shops across Scotland may be forced to stop selling alcohol within two years under new laws.
Licensing chiefs in Glasgow are the first in the country to have signalled their intention to prevent garages selling
alcohol unless the premises can prove it is the main source of fuel and groceries for the local community.
The 2005 Licensing Act allows all boards across Scotland to introduce the measure and with the country's largest board formally indicating that it will be a matter of policy to refuse permission for garages to sell alcohol most others are expected to follow suit.
But trade representatives have said the policy is meaningless as there is no evidence of any link between drink driving and the sale of alcohol in garages.
They claim that it does little more than punish small retailers, while major supermarkets continue to sell both alcohol and petrol.
Under the new licensing act, which comes fully into being in September 2009, licensing boards have the power to set tighter local controls on how alcohol is sold, with garages mentioned specifically as a category where local authorities have that discretion.
In order not to force the closure of petrol stations in rural communities, which are often the main source of food and fuel, alcohol can still be sold when "persons resident in the locality in which the premises are situated are, or are likely to become reliant, to a significant extent on the premises as a principal source of petrol or derv, or groceries".
But by virtue of Glasgow's size, the city's licensing board, in its draft policy document, claims there is widespread provision across the city and that "no community is reliant in such premises".
Garages looking for alcohol licences, or wanting to continue selling alcohol, would have to prove "similar facilities could not be accessed elsewhere in the city without significant difficulty".
The draft policy states: "If existing garages or petrol station forecourt shops do not fall within this definition, the licensing board must refuse any application and they will no longer be able to sell alcohol from September 2009."
Meanwhile, Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill will meet with the conveners of Scotland's licensing boards to spell out his position on the new bill and what is expected from the boards when the act kicks in. Senior police officers charged with licensing issues will also attend the meeting on September 24.
Mr MacAskill had been
criticised publicly by the convener of the Glasgow board, Councillor James McNally, who said it was "an issue of great concern" that he was "in the dark" about the regulations governing how alcohol licences would be administered under the new act.
Councillor McNally continued to criticise Mr MacAskill in the new draft policy statement introduction, claiming the Justice Secretary refused to meet him and that the Scottish Government has "severely compromised" Glasgow's intention to give stakeholders sufficient time to digest the document as it was dragging its heels on final detail on the transition to the new act.
A Scottish Government spokesman said: "We can
confirm there will be a meeting."
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Posted by: Gregor, Melbourne on 2:32am Mon 10 Sep 07
So to take this to its logical conclusion, I assume anywhere you can drive to will be banned from selling alcohol?
More half-baked thinking from people who prefer to ban things instead of actually dealing with the problem.
So to take this to its logical conclusion, I assume anywhere you can drive to will be banned from selling alcohol?
More half-baked thinking from people who prefer to ban things instead of actually dealing with the problem.
Posted by: somerferg, OZ on 3:33am Mon 10 Sep 07
Wow imagine this - a Scottish government actually trying to do something about the problem of alcohol-fuelled violence/drunk driving etc etc. Must be a Labour government in Holyrood - no hold on a minute all they could ever do was line their own pockets and keep the plebs poor and ignorant. Good on you Kenny MacAskill for making a start and how typical of the Numpty Labour cooncils to be against it.
Wow imagine this - a Scottish government actually trying to do something about the problem of alcohol-fuelled violence/drunk driving etc etc. Must be a Labour government in Holyrood - no hold on a minute all they could ever do was line their own pockets and keep the plebs poor and ignorant. Good on you Kenny MacAskill for making a start and how typical of the Numpty Labour cooncils to be against it.
Posted by: John, Glasgow on 4:56am Mon 10 Sep 07
[quote][bold]somerferg[/bold] wrote:
Wow imagine this - a Scottish government actually trying to do something about the problem of alcohol-fuelled violence/drunk driving etc etc. Must be a Labour government in Holyrood - no hold on a minute all they could ever do was line their own pockets and keep the plebs poor and ignorant. Good on you Kenny MacAskill for making a start and how typical of the Numpty Labour cooncils to be against it.[/quote] They're not solving the problem though. They're doing something easy to make it look like they're solving the problem. Do you really think a hardened drink-driver will be deterred by the local garage not selling alcohol? No, he'll just buy his booze elsewhere. Drunk driving could of course be deterred by police forces using breathalysers (at ALL times of the year, not just at Christmas) but that wouldn't involve imposing a ban on responsible people so that's out the window.
somerferg wrote:
Wow imagine this - a Scottish government actually trying to do something about the problem of alcohol-fuelled violence/drunk driving etc etc. Must be a Labour government in Holyrood - no hold on a minute all they could ever do was line their own pockets and keep the plebs poor and ignorant. Good on you Kenny MacAskill for making a start and how typical of the Numpty Labour cooncils to be against it.
They're not solving the problem though. They're doing something easy to make it look like they're solving the problem. Do you really think a hardened drink-driver will be deterred by the local garage not selling alcohol? No, he'll just buy his booze elsewhere. Drunk driving could of course be deterred by police forces using breathalysers (at ALL times of the year, not just at Christmas) but that wouldn't involve imposing a ban on responsible people so that's out the window.
Posted by: RETIRED....... but still switched on, Fed Up To The Teeth on 8:21am Mon 10 Sep 07
On balance of the argument, it's about time this stopped.
It's a bit like selling matches in a fireworks factory really.
There are LOTS of other outlets for the sale of alcohol, but to make them available that easily to drivers does seem a bit daft to me, especially when one considers the great lengths the authorities are going to to stamp out drink driving !!
On balance of the argument, it's about time this stopped.
It's a bit like selling matches in a fireworks factory really.
There are LOTS of other outlets for the sale of alcohol, but to make them available that easily to drivers does seem a bit daft to me, especially when one considers the great lengths the authorities are going to to stamp out drink driving !!
Posted by: Seumas, Tain on 8:47am Mon 10 Sep 07
Please Grigor from Melbourne, give us your solution to the problem--we are listening.
Please Grigor from Melbourne, give us your solution to the problem--we are listening.
Posted by: Shell'd out for a can or two, glasgow on 9:19am Mon 10 Sep 07
aye gregor whats your solution?
to crack this nut they would need some strong legislation that would likely fall foul of one's right to get jaked!
why not gradually steps, to wean people off - has had results in the 12 steps programme and it is the nation that needs to be detoxed.
aye gregor whats your solution?
to crack this nut they would need some strong legislation that would likely fall foul of one's right to get jaked!
why not gradually steps, to wean people off - has had results in the 12 steps programme and it is the nation that needs to be detoxed.
Posted by: BM, Glasgow on 9:25am Mon 10 Sep 07
So will Asda and Tesco be prevented from selling alcohol in supermarkets which sell petrol, or is this a attempt by the government to boost the big boys and shut down the smaller independent garages?
So will Asda and Tesco be prevented from selling alcohol in supermarkets which sell petrol, or is this a attempt by the government to boost the big boys and shut down the smaller independent garages?
Posted by: Bill, Edinburgh on 9:33am Mon 10 Sep 07
The solution is to punish the perpetrators of any crime not to penalise or make things difficult for the ordinary law abiding citizen.
The solution is to punish the perpetrators of any crime not to penalise or make things difficult for the ordinary law abiding citizen.
Posted by: Bill Wilson, On the Steps on 10:08am Mon 10 Sep 07
It will take more than this effort to detox the nation. It doesn't make sense to sell booze at garages if you really want to reinforce the subliminal message about not drinking and driving. People will however drink themselves to death if they want to, regardless of what constraints are put in place. Prohibition in the USA did little other than encourage organised crime and send heroin addiction figures soaring. Education in the schools, the home and the workplace is essential in addressing this growing concern.
People in general and perhaps Scots in particular, have a real aversion to any suggestion that they can't handle alcohol.
Cheers!
It will take more than this effort to detox the nation. It doesn't make sense to sell booze at garages if you really want to reinforce the subliminal message about not drinking and driving. People will however drink themselves to death if they want to, regardless of what constraints are put in place. Prohibition in the USA did little other than encourage organised crime and send heroin addiction figures soaring. Education in the schools, the home and the workplace is essential in addressing this growing concern.
People in general and perhaps Scots in particular, have a real aversion to any suggestion that they can't handle alcohol.
Cheers!
Posted by: Albert, Glasgow on 10:30am Mon 10 Sep 07
Is alcohol sold at motorway service stations? If not, why not?
Is alcohol sold at motorway service stations? If not, why not?
Posted by: a beerlover, on the road in Scotland on 10:45am Mon 10 Sep 07
Please, do tell, Albert.
Posted by: off to the sunny beac(h), in inverness on 11:06am Mon 10 Sep 07
wait with your answer till i'm back, will ye? wanna join me? :-)
wait with your answer till i'm back, will ye? wanna join me? :-)
Posted by: shell'd our for a can or two, glasgow on 11:51am Mon 10 Sep 07
Bill and er Bill
you can educate till you're blue in the face and this seems what the current initiatives achieve. so why not start with this...trim the edges of the problem and make it a more manageable size??
and if we were to enforce our current alcohol laws we'd whinge they were draconian....and we'd need the army to undertake the arrests!
Bill and er Bill
you can educate till you're blue in the face and this seems what the current initiatives achieve. so why not start with this...trim the edges of the problem and make it a more manageable size??
and if we were to enforce our current alcohol laws we'd whinge they were draconian....and we'd need the army to undertake the arrests!
Posted by: RETIRED....... but still switched on, Fed Up To The Teeth on 12:44pm Mon 10 Sep 07
[quote][bold]Gregor[/bold] wrote:
So to take this to its logical conclusion, I assume anywhere you can drive to will be banned from selling alcohol? More half-baked thinking from people who prefer to ban things instead of actually dealing with the problem.[/quote] GREGOR
You're not related to JOHNBOY of Melbourne by any chance? Just thought I'd ask.......he's daft too!!
Stay in Oz mate, ...please !!
Gregor wrote:
So to take this to its logical conclusion, I assume anywhere you can drive to will be banned from selling alcohol? More half-baked thinking from people who prefer to ban things instead of actually dealing with the problem.
GREGOR
You're not related to JOHNBOY of Melbourne by any chance? Just thought I'd ask.......he's daft too!!
Stay in Oz mate, ...please !!
Posted by: no beach, just river bank, sunny as hael on 7:04pm Mon 10 Sep 07
i'm back; blimey, somebody left the spelling bee on.
i'm back; blimey, somebody left the spelling bee on.