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Minister to crack down on cheap drink sales
Exclusive by GERRY BRAIDENJune 01 2007

Supermarkets and off-sales are to be targeted in a bid to stem Scotland's culture of binge-drinking and antisocial behaviour, the minister in charge of alcohol licensing signalled yesterday.

In his first statements on plans to tackle the country's risky relationship with drink, Cabinet Secretary for Justice Kenny MacAskill said supermarket multi-pack beer deals would fall foul of curbs on alcohol promotions.

Mr MacAskill said he wanted "to see licensees smarten up their act" and that alcohol should no longer be seen as being "no different from bananas or soap powder".

The decision to move the licensing brief from local government to his justice remit was defended by the former lawyer on the grounds of alcohol's role in anti-social behaviour.

Mr MacAskill has also attempted to exorcise the ghosts of his own past by referring to his arrest at the England v Scotland game at Wembley in 1999 for drunk and disorderly behaviour. He said he was "big enough to admit my own past mistakes" and "recognised the error of my ways".

Mr MacAskill said: "I want to crack down on irresponsible promotions and discounts of alcohol. Last weekend, a major supermarket in my constituency was selling a popular lager at £20 for 60 cans as part of a buy two get one free offer'.

I want to crack down on irresponsible promotions and discounts of alcohol

"That works out at around 33p per can or 43p per pint. That sort of offer is increasingly common, but it's not acceptable. There is something perverse in Scotland that a bottle of cider can cost less than a bottle of water.

"Of course we all like a bargain, but it shows we have come to think of alcohol as no different from bananas or soap powder. That cannot be right."

Although the new licensing act, passed two years ago, does not come into effect until September 2009, it allows for additional regulations on issues such as promotions without the need for legislative amendment. Legal experts claim the administration has the mechanisms to introduce minimum pricing.

"The new licensing act bans certain types of promotions in pubs and clubs and some in shops," said Mr MacAskill. "I want to look at what other types of promotion should be restricted - for example, those that can encourage people to buy, and drink, more than they intended, such as buy-one get-one-free or multi-pack deals."

Recent figures show just 39% of alcohol is now sold in traditional licensed premises such as bars, pubs, nightclubs, hotels and restaurants. Of the rest, the six big supermarkets control 83.3% of the remaining sales.

Tesco alone sells almost one-third of all off-trade drink, while 80% of wine, 75% of spirits and 60% of cider is sold off-trade.

Medical professionals and alcohol action groups have been calling for promotional curbs to be extended to off-sales and supermarkets.

Mr MacAskill said he also supported the roll-out of the test purchasing scheme piloted in Fife and efforts made by some retailers to prevent sales to underage drinkers. But he added: "The fact remains that young people are still obtaining alcohol from retailers and these retailers are cashing in illegally in making that sale."

Paul Waterson, of the Scottish Licensed Trade Association, said: "We're now a nation of take-home drinkers but the law and the new act reflects old-fashioned trends of drinking in pubs and clubs. If we cannot regulate prices within the off-trade, Mr MacAskill should look at how it's marketed. I can't disagree with much he's said."

The Scottish Grocer's Federation's Gordon Macrae was less enthusiastic. He said: "Instead of criticising us, why not help us with a national proof-of-age scheme. The executive should smarten up."

One of Scotland's leading authorities on liquor law, Jack Cummins said: "The new licensing act allows ministers to beef-up controls on irresponsible promotions. The SNP administration could move very quickly on this."


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Posted by: Cameron, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada on 1:35am Fri 1 Jun 07

Increase the taxes on booze and reduce the tax on petrol. I live in Canada where you have to buy all your booze from government approved stores (which I think is rediculous) and is not allowed at all in the Supermarkets or wholesalers. It is not right that booze be priced so cheaply in Scotland at supermarkets and take-oot's.

Cameron
Posted by: Steaphan MacRisnidh, Japan on 3:20am Fri 1 Jun 07
I live in a country where alcohol is as cheap as it is in Scotland, if not cheaper. However, there is no problem of excessive drinking, or binge drinking here.
Posted by: Andy, Scotland on 4:19am Fri 1 Jun 07
The fact is a lot of young people, over 18, are purchasing alcohol and are passing it on to their younger friends. How do you stop that?
Alcohol is cheap and plays a big part in the everyday life of the UK. One way of changing that , as with smoking, is education, restrictions on advertising and an increase in taxation. Government over the past years has not increased the tax on alcohol for popularity reasons. Perhaps Mr Brown should reflect on that!
Posted by: ARTHUR DAVIES, Glasgow on 7:17am Fri 1 Jun 07
Same old response. Hit the vast majority of people who drink responsibly in the pocket .Tackle persistent offenders by hitting THEM in the pocket.
Posted by: Les, Edinburgh on 8:18am Fri 1 Jun 07
First thing they should introduce is to either force the manufacturers of 'buckie' put the stuff into plastic bottles or charge a refundable deposit of say, £1-2 on every bottle. The latter scheme would kill two birds with one stone - act as a deterent to purchase and clean up the estates of broken green glass!
Posted by: AJR, Glasgow on 8:35am Fri 1 Jun 07
In European countries - the beer can be cheaper than the water. Do you see youth falling about in the streets - generally no.

The British disease of drunkeness and disorderly behaviour lies far deeper than a arms reach on a supermarket shelf. Get to grips with the problem where it starts - in the home - its a culture shift we require not prohibition by taxation.

Who knows -someday we might even be allowed a civilised glass of wine when we picnic in the park.

Posted by: spagan agus an tigh ur, brighton of the north on 8:44am Fri 1 Jun 07
Cameron's solution is the right one if the licensed trade(s) cannot control the products that they sell/"push". In the interim, Kenny should ask each Procurator Fiscal to provide him with monthly statistics that show the number of successful prosecutions for selling to (or buying for) under-age consumers. Our access to this drug of choice is dangerously lax.
Posted by: Rab Jones, Glasgow on 9:28am Fri 1 Jun 07
ARTHUR DAVIES wrote:
Same old response. Hit the vast majority of people who drink responsibly in the pocket .Tackle persistent offenders by hitting THEM in the pocket.
I agree with you and stephen.

Its nothing to do with the expense of alcohol, its the parents, lack of education and maybe even a cultural thing.

I went into a supermarket in Mallorca, and they were selling wine as cheap as 2 euros. I didn't see one drunken young Spaniard for the two weeks I was there.

Some scientists have even suggested that the colder and further north you live in the world, the more cases there are of depression. Are we drinking ourselves to death because of the miserable grey clouds that constantly hang over us? I don't know. But Glasgow and Copehagen have the worse cases of depression and suicides amongst young men.

If it really has something to do with the climate, then we really are knackered.
Posted by: Simon M, Edinburgh on 10:41am Fri 1 Jun 07
So Kenny MacAskill wants to tackle binge-drinking and anti-social behaviour?

Like the binge-drinking and anti-social behaviour which saw him spend a night in a London police cell, missing the Scotland v England game in the process?

Hypocrite!
Posted by: Simon Wallace, Edinburgh on 11:06am Fri 1 Jun 07
No Simon M,

he doesn't want to stop binge-drinking and anti-social behaviour. He just wants to make sure overpaid chancers like himself can be arrested for being drunk and disorderly in a public place.

Hypocrite that he is.

Cheers
Simon
Posted by: roberto, glasgow on 11:23am Fri 1 Jun 07
I thougt that we got rid of the control freaks and then up pops mackskill .He sound just like caffy jimmyson,
Posted by: Peter, Kinross on 11:47am Fri 1 Jun 07
AJR wrote:
In European countries - the beer can be cheaper than the water. Do you see youth falling about in the streets - generally no.

The British disease of drunkeness and disorderly behaviour lies far deeper than a arms reach on a supermarket shelf. Get to grips with the problem where it starts - in the home - its a culture shift we require not prohibition by taxation.

Who knows -someday we might even be allowed a civilised glass of wine when we picnic in the park.

You're contridicting yourself!!
Posted by: Mike, Fife on 11:56am Fri 1 Jun 07
spagan agus an tigh ur wrote:
Cameron\'s solution is the right one if the licensed trade(s) cannot control the products that they sell/\"push\". In the interim, Kenny should ask each Procurator Fiscal to provide him with monthly statistics that show the number of successful prosecutions for selling to (or buying for) under-age consumers. Our access to this drug of choice is dangerously lax.
Part of my job is working with other agencies to try and address the problem of young people and alcohol and I can tell you from firsthand experience the PF very rarely takes a case of selling alcohol to under 18’s. It would be far more enlightening for Kenny to ask to see the number of people charged. That way he would gain an understanding of the number of cases failing to come to court.
In my experience, the price of alcohol has nothing to do with the number of drunken people falling about our streets. It is a cultural issue and the only way to deal with it is with a carrot and stick approach, education and enforcement.
Posted by: spagan agus an tigh ur, brighton of the north on 12:08pm Fri 1 Jun 07
There are actually very few folk charged as well Mike. A range of stats would let Kenny know how lttle enforcement activity takes place - profile numbers charged, fiscal fines, court appearances, liquor licences lost etc.
Posted by: Miss Priss, Glasgow on 12:16pm Fri 1 Jun 07
Arthur and Rab - this will have no real effect on responsible drinkers i.e. those who drink within safe limits.

If people are worried that they will no longer be able to afford to drink 3 bottles of wine instead of 2 then they are drinking too much.

AJR I completely agree that what is required is a cultural shift and clamping down on cheap drinks sales that just encourage folk to get drunk is a good way to start.

It may not be popular with everyone but in this area I believe the SNP are speaking for the vast majority of us who are sick and fed up of public drunkenness.
Posted by: Douglas Blaney, Glasgow on 12:23pm Fri 1 Jun 07
Mike fae Fife is right, costs have nothing to do with the excessive drinking habits here, it is a cultural problem.
And we do need to do something about the wee corner licensed grocers as they are the main culprits who sell drink to the under 18's.
Supermarkets dare not sell drink to underaged as they have too much too lose whereas the corner shop owner needs to sell anything to make a profit. Some people in Mount Vernon Glasgow successfully had the local licensed grocer's license revoked becasue of trouble with underaged drinkers.
Posted by: Miss Priss, Glasgow on 12:55pm Fri 1 Jun 07
It's not just a problem of under age drinking, there are plenty of people who are over the age limit who cause a problem as well you know.

I am not a tee-totaller or killjoy, I like a drink as much as the next person but things have just got out of control lately.

When was the last time you were in the city centre on a Friday or Saturday night? It is madness, the number of people totally out of their heads.

They are getting tanked up on cheap booze before they go out and start hitting the pubs and clubs. By 3 in the morning it's like '28 days later' with zombies roaming the streets, totally away with it.

It's beyond a joke. Ask any taxi driver or police officer and they will tell you the same thing.
Posted by: archie on 2:04pm Fri 1 Jun 07
Of course the Scottish Licensed Trade Association is supportive of this - it would increase prices for their competition( just as the Grocers Federation is against, because it would damage their trade).

But is there any evidence that preventing supermarkets from selling 'two for one' alcohol deals or offering alcohol at a reduced price would make any difference to the problem ?

Most of us are quite capable of buying two cases of beer - at the same time ! - and drinking them over a period of weeks rather than hours. Those people who can't do this or don't want to do it will not be put off by the proposed restrictions. But everyone else will be landed with the higher prices.
Posted by: David el escocés, Málaga on 2:21pm Fri 1 Jun 07
Miss Priss wrote:
It's not just a problem of under age drinking, there are plenty of people who are over the age limit who cause a problem as well you know.

I am not a tee-totaller or killjoy, I like a drink as much as the next person but things have just got out of control lately.

When was the last time you were in the city centre on a Friday or Saturday night? It is madness, the number of people totally out of their heads.

They are getting tanked up on cheap booze before they go out and start hitting the pubs and clubs. By 3 in the morning it's like '28 days later' with zombies roaming the streets, totally away with it.

It's beyond a joke. Ask any taxi driver or police officer and they will tell you the same thing.
"I am not a tee-totaller or killjoy, I like a drink as much as the next person but things have just got out of control lately. "

Contact AA....
Seriously. Spirits, wine, beer and cigarettes cost a fraction here. There is a problem with the botellon. Kids (legal age to drink) getting together in town squares with carry outs. This happens mainly in big cities. Outwith that, the only drunks I tend to see are British holidaymakers.
Posted by: Mike on 4:47pm Fri 1 Jun 07
Its very strange how so many people are becoming irate because the government is concerned about the level of Alcohol abuse in Scotland. It was alright to get rid of the right to smoke in public places because they reckon that it can kill non smokers but Alcohol which kills so many Scots a year is a different story.

People are concerned about street violence which tends to rocket when alcohol is a factor. People drive cars and injure or kill them and other Scots when Alcohol is a factor. Families suffer from poverty and acts of violence when Alcohol is a factor. And finally the average Scot has a lower life expectancy than most western culture because of Alcohol abuse. Lets not forget that two drinks a day is recognised as a severe risk to one health.

The cost to the community through the National Health could be reduced by an enormous amount if there was a culture change where alcohol consumtion was at a reasonable level of not being a daily habit. I personally dont drink much nowadays, not because I am against it, more because I have put in its relative place in my life. I consume something because I like or need to. Alcohol should be used as a special occasion celebration thing but the actual norm should be medium lengths of time between consumption.

As other have said on this forum there is no excuse ie the cloudy sky, colder climate etc. It is the culture of being shown by Family and Friends that the lets get **** mentality is a sign of how one should be. Not one of how it is relatively a small and nice thing to have to celebrate special occasions. No Normal Person Needs Alcohol On A Regular Basis. I dont need to getpissed to go out and have a great time I just have to be confident in myself and have fun at no one elses expense. Do your Kids a Favour and Change the Culture
Posted by: Simon Shearer on 8:30pm Fri 1 Jun 07
I'm afraid that Kenny is wrong on this one. Drink is just the same as soap powder and bananas. Governments, especially those in a minority, should be wary of imposing price controls. Still it should be good for cross border trade. Fancy opening an off-licence in Berwick?
Posted by: Graham, Glasgow on 12:02am Sat 2 Jun 07
Us oldies have heard it all before. Lanny, VP, Four Crown and Bucky.
Kenny has to say something, he is in a new Joab with all the perks. And i bet he is sitting in front of the telly with his kerry oot right noo.
Maybe even a twelve pack! So enjoy yerself Kenny and dont interfere in our lives.
Posted by: Yok Finney, Ross-shire on 6:48am Sat 2 Jun 07
If it really has something to do with the climate, then we really are knackered.
Or it could be the roads of Scotland that drive us to drink.

Or is the anarchic-hedonist lifestye promoted by our newspapers?

It's the subborn intransigence of the material world in the quest for mastery of matter by the spirit of man that factors in too. (.. opens a beer at the backyard boatyard)

Pubs were probably invented in case people tried things at home. Look into an amber pint of Belhaven 80 shilling and it's certainly possible to see that the constant speed of light, quantum mechanics, and general relativity can be reconciled if you ken your André Ampère. Cocktails - as ImarEST calls a glass of wine properly delivered on a tray by a steward - should be enjoyed at the Godly hour of 5 p.m. with your fellow engineers after a hard day's thinking.
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