Does Necropolis hold the key to Freemasonry’s secret history?
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| FACT OR FANCY? The bridge which permits entry, through two pillars and an arch, to Glasgow Necropolis. Picture: Colin Mearns |
Conspiracy theorists see them everywhere, from the paintings of Da Vinci to the humble dollar bill.
Real or imagined, the symbols of Freemasonry through the ages have beguiled and tantalised. Now their biggest secret may have been exposed in the heart of Scotland's biggest city.
Research has suggested Glasgow Necropolis is a giant masonic symbol, fully 37 acres of landscaped metaphor.
Historian Ronnie Scott has unearthed previously unseen patterns in the design of the early 19th-century cemetery.
His theory, to be formally unveiled at the world's first conference on the history of Freemasonry in Edinburgh later this month, would turn upside down the history of one of Scotland's best-known landmarks. It would also make the Necropolis one of the biggest masonic sites on the planet.
"The more I looked, the more I saw," Mr Scott explained yesterday after years of painstaking study at Glasgow University. "I began to see a pattern emerge and the Necropolis began to look like a very large and very solid representation of masonic ideals and symbolism.
"The Necropolis is clearly a symbolic landscape and my research indicates that we should start to think of it as a freemasonic landscape, one that has been planned and modelled as the moral teachings of the Craft, made solid and very visible. Hidden in plain sight, you could say."
The Necropolis opened in 1833 and for more than a century was the only place in which the great and the good of Glasgow would be seen dead. All the main players in its planning were Freemasons. So too were many of the men interred in its many ornate crypts and graves, often structures emblazoned with symbols of the craft.
The monument to Walter Macfarlane, Glasgow's Victorian king of cast iron, looks like a Royal Arch, the emblem of the fourth degree of Freemasonry. Many others feature Egyptian architecture, which inspired so much of the iconography of the masons, who, some legends have it, keep the secrets of the pyramids. Indeed, the Necropolis was inspired by Pere Lachaise, the Paris graveyard that was itself designed by a Freemason.
But it was the design of
the cemetery that gave Mr Scott, who is not a mason,
his greatest clue. "Just as a Freemason's career progresses from the west to the east, and from darkness to light, so is the Necropolis laid out," he said. Those entering the graveyard pass over a bridge, by an arch, through two pillars and up a hill, on a journey from west to east.
Mr Scott's theories are causing excitement among scholars of Freemasonry. More than 230 professors from across Europe, America and Asia will gather in Edinburgh to discuss his findings and other research.
Among them will be Robert Cooper, curator of the Grand Lodge of Scotland. He said: "There are several cemeteries in Scotland where there are graves with masonic symbols, for example, Robert Burns's in Dumfries, which is very masonic in its design."
Mr Scott, who recently published a history of the Necropolis called Death by Design, is not the only academic set to explore the mysterious world of symbolism at the Edinburgh get-together.
"This conference is very much Freemasonry coming home," Mr Cooper said.
Freemasonry is widely believed to have firm Scottish roots. The earliest surviving minutes of a masonic lodge date from Edinburgh in 1598. The craft grew out of a professional guild for the men who built medieval cathedrals into an international organisation that has inspired countless conspiracies. The Necropolis would be far from the only landmark in the city with masonic symbolism. Mr Scott cites emblems on a tenement next to the Buttery restaurant in Argyle Street and a masonic temple in West Regent Street.
The building best known for its masonic influences in Scotland is Rosslyn Chapel, thanks to Dan Brown's Da Vinci Code. Mr Cooper, however, stresses Rosslyn is a Catholic Church, not a masonic building. The Necropolis, some are already speculating, could become an even more important site of pilgrimage for the world's six million Freemasons.
Building a theory
THE NECROPOLIS
The graveyard was opened in 1833 by a group of men from the Merchants' House of Glasgow, most of whom are understood to have been masons.
Its location and layout mirrors the masonic journey "from darkness to light". Those entering the cemetery do so across a bridge, through two pillars and by an arch before they climb a hill. All, as in the masonic journey, from west to east.
There are clear masonic emblems on graves and crypts.
The Necropolis has long played on the imaginations of Glaswegians, often in ways
far more sinister than the worst fears of masonic conspiracies.
The cemetery features prominently in Alasdair Gray's 1981 novel Lanark. The eponymous hero of the book is swallowed by a huge mouth which opens in the ground of the city graveyard and leads him into the hellish subterranean world of the Institute, where the population lives on human flesh.
The freemasons
The first recorded meetings of Freemasons were in Edinburgh, in 1598. There are now six million Freemasons worldwide, 70,000 of them in Scotland.
Notable Scottish masons have included Robert Burns; Sir Walter Scott; Sir Harry Lauder; Jimmy Shand; and Jock Stein. Worldwide masonry has attracted everybody from great statesmen to artists. Mozart was a mason. So was Winston Churchill, George Washington, John Steinbeck and even the 20th-century socialist firebrand Manny Shinwell.
The organisation is split into numbered lodges. Members used to discover which lodge a fellow mason was in by asking "how old your granny is". The answer wasn't an age, but a lodge number.
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Posted by: George Wilson, Glasgow on 10:50pm Thu 10 May 07
Great to read about this important discovery, hopefully it'll get even more people going along there, and visiting Scotland in the process! I've always been fascinated with the Necropolis since reading about it in Lanark, I wonder how many other mysteries it contains?
Great to read about this important discovery, hopefully it'll get even more people going along there, and visiting Scotland in the process! I've always been fascinated with the Necropolis since reading about it in Lanark, I wonder how many other mysteries it contains?
Posted by: Hiram Abiff on 10:53pm Thu 10 May 07
The conference website is at www.ichfonline.org. It runs from May 25 to 27. I wonder how true this all is ...
The conference website is at www.ichfonline.org. It runs from May 25 to 27. I wonder how true this all is ...
Posted by: Heather, Glasgow on 9:32am Fri 11 May 07
Mr Scott is to be commended for all the work he's done on behalf of the Necropolis, including his very enjoyable book. The Necropolis has been one of the most sadly neglected treasures of our city but Mr Scott has done an amazing job of bringing it back to light.
Mr Scott is to be commended for all the work he's done on behalf of the Necropolis, including his very enjoyable book. The Necropolis has been one of the most sadly neglected treasures of our city but Mr Scott has done an amazing job of bringing it back to light.
Posted by: Veronica, Glasgow on 10:06am Fri 11 May 07
What a great article by Ronnie. This will surely stir up interest for what is already a very important historical site.
There have been significant efforts made by the 'Friends of Glasgow Necropolis' to safeguard and conserve this beautiful site. More information on the Friends of the Necropolis can be found on the website:
www.glasgownecropolis.org
What a great article by Ronnie. This will surely stir up interest for what is already a very important historical site.
There have been significant efforts made by the 'Friends of Glasgow Necropolis' to safeguard and conserve this beautiful site. More information on the Friends of the Necropolis can be found on the website:
www.glasgownecropolis.org
Posted by: george cook on 3:24pm Fri 11 May 07
Probably now that this has been discovered, the Glasgow council will bulldoze over it as Glasgow is run by the total oppisite side of the fence
Probably now that this has been discovered, the Glasgow council will bulldoze over it as Glasgow is run by the total oppisite side of the fence
Posted by: knight templar on 4:27pm Fri 11 May 07
The Necropolis is of course laid out precisely according to Masonic dictum and so is Washington DC where foundation or cornerstone of the Capitol was ritually cemented by George Washington - Grand Master of Maryland Scottish Rite Lodge. Without being callous : 'as above so below'.
The Necropolis is of course laid out precisely according to Masonic dictum and so is Washington DC where foundation or cornerstone of the Capitol was ritually cemented by George Washington - Grand Master of Maryland Scottish Rite Lodge. Without being callous : 'as above so below'.
Posted by: BM, Glasgow on 7:20pm Fri 11 May 07
So it's residents were all buried with their trouser legs rolled up!
So it's residents were all buried with their trouser legs rolled up!
Posted by: Brother Burns, Kilwinning on 7:37pm Fri 11 May 07
[quote][bold]knight templar[/bold] wrote:
The Necropolis is of course laid out precisely according to Masonic dictum and so is Washington DC where foundation or cornerstone of the Capitol was ritually cemented by George Washington - Grand Master of Maryland Scottish Rite Lodge. Without being callous : 'as above so below'.[/quote] Are there any books on masonic landscapes, other than Washington?
knight templar wrote:
The Necropolis is of course laid out precisely according to Masonic dictum and so is Washington DC where foundation or cornerstone of the Capitol was ritually cemented by George Washington - Grand Master of Maryland Scottish Rite Lodge. Without being callous : 'as above so below'.
Are there any books on masonic landscapes, other than Washington?
Posted by: S. Vetter, Idaho on 11:09pm Fri 11 May 07
Sure there are such books detailing Masonic landscapes, but I can't recall anything at the moment. Except maybe for a crackpot writer by the last name of Ickes that I'd avoid- the guy is always trying to say the "Illuminati" are reptilian aliens...
Sure there are such books detailing Masonic landscapes, but I can't recall anything at the moment. Except maybe for a crackpot writer by the last name of Ickes that I'd avoid- the guy is always trying to say the "Illuminati" are reptilian aliens...
Posted by: shhh!, somewhere,somehow on 5:50am Sun 13 May 07
Freemasons have built all kinds of similiar things LITERALY ALL OVER THE PLACE! Just guess what is hiding 'out in the open' in the US.
Freemasons have built all kinds of similiar things LITERALY ALL OVER THE PLACE! Just guess what is hiding 'out in the open' in the US.
Posted by: Past Master on 9:10am Sun 13 May 07
Nice to see that Freemasonry is at last becoming respectable. The Freemasons have a long and honourable Scottish history. Unfortunately it has suffered from prejudice, ignorance and the need to poke fun at minority groups. This intelligent piece will hopefully be the start of a rational appreciation of the values of an ancient Scottish tradition.
Nice to see that Freemasonry is at last becoming respectable. The Freemasons have a long and honourable Scottish history. Unfortunately it has suffered from prejudice, ignorance and the need to poke fun at minority groups. This intelligent piece will hopefully be the start of a rational appreciation of the values of an ancient Scottish tradition.
Posted by: David B., Newport, KY on 9:23pm Sun 13 May 07
[quote][bold]S. Vetter[/bold] wrote:
Sure there are such books detailing Masonic landscapes, but I can't recall anything at the moment. Except maybe for a crackpot writer by the last name of Ickes that I'd avoid- the guy is always trying to say the "Illuminati" are reptilian aliens...[/quote] You're referring to David Icke and the fact you don't even know his full name shows that you don't know very much about him or the subjects of the "Illuminati" and "Freemasonry". If I were you I wouldn't offer anyone else any advice of these subjects until you know exactly what you're talking about.
David Icke is NOT a crackpot. Go watch the film "David Icke: Was He Right?". You can find it on YouTube. There's a section during his break at a lecture where he's questioning if he should even bring up his "reptilian" belief during the final part of his lecture. He knows his theories are far out there and he's NEVER tried to force them on anyone.
More people are starting to listen to what he says because in the early 1990's he predicted a lot of the things the "Illuminati" and other groups would do in order to start to create the New World Order. Everything he predicted has come true.
Again. Think about what you're saying before posting anything and gets your facts straight.
S. Vetter wrote:
Sure there are such books detailing Masonic landscapes, but I can't recall anything at the moment. Except maybe for a crackpot writer by the last name of Ickes that I'd avoid- the guy is always trying to say the "Illuminati" are reptilian aliens...
You're referring to David Icke and the fact you don't even know his full name shows that you don't know very much about him or the subjects of the "Illuminati" and "Freemasonry". If I were you I wouldn't offer anyone else any advice of these subjects until you know exactly what you're talking about.
David Icke is NOT a crackpot. Go watch the film "David Icke: Was He Right?". You can find it on YouTube. There's a section during his break at a lecture where he's questioning if he should even bring up his "reptilian" belief during the final part of his lecture. He knows his theories are far out there and he's NEVER tried to force them on anyone.
More people are starting to listen to what he says because in the early 1990's he predicted a lot of the things the "Illuminati" and other groups would do in order to start to create the New World Order. Everything he predicted has come true.
Again. Think about what you're saying before posting anything and gets your facts straight.
Posted by: MAD, Indianapolis on 1:05am Mon 14 May 07
There is a "conspiracy" for the "New World Order'.. But David Icke? Even aside from his far out Reptilian Theories, he's still wrong about a great many things. He is half fact, and half science-fiction. That does not make for Truth, but his own specific version of Truth, which he charges $25 dollars per book. I've read 4 of his books, and most of them are the same book with a different title and cover..
As for the topic of this thread, interesting. Though Freemasonry was around like before 1833...
There is a "conspiracy" for the "New World Order'.. But David Icke? Even aside from his far out Reptilian Theories, he's still wrong about a great many things. He is half fact, and half science-fiction. That does not make for Truth, but his own specific version of Truth, which he charges $25 dollars per book. I've read 4 of his books, and most of them are the same book with a different title and cover..
As for the topic of this thread, interesting. Though Freemasonry was around like before 1833...
Posted by: Jerry Hiers, Shreveport, La. on 1:12am Mon 14 May 07
10-4 David Icke is certainly not a crackpot. I've studied the UFO PHENOMENON for over 26 years and Reptilians are a part of the phenomenon. Study, Study, Study David Icke, It will knock ur sox off.
10-4 David Icke is certainly not a crackpot. I've studied the UFO PHENOMENON for over 26 years and Reptilians are a part of the phenomenon. Study, Study, Study David Icke, It will knock ur sox off.
Posted by: MAD, Indianapolis on 1:20am Mon 14 May 07
Yes, "Reptilians" are part of the phenomenon, a phenomenon that is mostly a HOAX in the first place. There were "Reptilians" in the old Star Trek series, as well as 1000 Science Fiction books from the 1940's-60's.
Yes, David Icke who hates Jesus, but claims himself as the "True son of God". David Icke who charges $150 dollars per ticket to see him speak at a beach resort in Miami. David Icke who charges $$$ for EVERYTHING he ever does and repeats the same material over and over again for years at a time, claiming to "change the world".
David Icke speaks some truths, but my God, have some people not figured out fiction from reality yet? No wonder "THEY" get away with so much, we'll believe almost anything if you give it a catchy title and a nice cover.
Plain and simple, most people would rather believe the sensationalist lie, than what they consider "boring" truth...
I wouldn't doubt that Icke is a Mason himself, and his job is to COVER UP the truth while pretending to be exposing it...
Yes, "Reptilians" are part of the phenomenon, a phenomenon that is mostly a HOAX in the first place. There were "Reptilians" in the old Star Trek series, as well as 1000 Science Fiction books from the 1940's-60's.
Yes, David Icke who hates Jesus, but claims himself as the "True son of God". David Icke who charges $150 dollars per ticket to see him speak at a beach resort in Miami. David Icke who charges $$$ for EVERYTHING he ever does and repeats the same material over and over again for years at a time, claiming to "change the world".
David Icke speaks some truths, but my God, have some people not figured out fiction from reality yet? No wonder "THEY" get away with so much, we'll believe almost anything if you give it a catchy title and a nice cover.
Plain and simple, most people would rather believe the sensationalist lie, than what they consider "boring" truth...
I wouldn't doubt that Icke is a Mason himself, and his job is to COVER UP the truth while pretending to be exposing it...
Posted by: Marigold, Australia on 1:47am Mon 14 May 07
Re Rosslyn Chapel supposedly being a Catholic Church I thought I had read it has many Masonic Symbols there, including the man with the rolled up trouser leg, in a rock carving. It also has a Priest of the Goddess Religion who has illustrated it all as such, too ... on Coast to Coast ! Rosslyn Chapel has definitely had a Masonic Grand Master origin , does seem, via the name Sinclair, ex the Templars of France, who escaped there . Originally , St. Clair... the Templars were Warrior Knight s who used to escort Pilgrims to Jeruslam..& are said to be connected to The Holy Grail. Just curious, merely studying it all!
Re Rosslyn Chapel supposedly being a Catholic Church I thought I had read it has many Masonic Symbols there, including the man with the rolled up trouser leg, in a rock carving. It also has a Priest of the Goddess Religion who has illustrated it all as such, too ... on Coast to Coast ! Rosslyn Chapel has definitely had a Masonic Grand Master origin , does seem, via the name Sinclair, ex the Templars of France, who escaped there . Originally , St. Clair... the Templars were Warrior Knight s who used to escort Pilgrims to Jeruslam..& are said to be connected to The Holy Grail. Just curious, merely studying it all!
Posted by: Malgwyn, Agarttha on 1:51am Mon 14 May 07
The cemetary is a highly symbolic and ritualized space, but not all of it is masonic. Much of the so called "Masonic" symbolism also derives from the Bible, the two pillars in front of the Temple for example. Every Arch is hardly to be regarded as specifically masonic either. A person with a superficial knowledge of both freemasonry and the bible could easily misconstrue origins, and seem to frequently enough.
The Masonic guilds have records or Articles of Incorporation going back to the 1300's, throughout the cities of Europe.
The cemetary is a highly symbolic and ritualized space, but not all of it is masonic. Much of the so called "Masonic" symbolism also derives from the Bible, the two pillars in front of the Temple for example. Every Arch is hardly to be regarded as specifically masonic either. A person with a superficial knowledge of both freemasonry and the bible could easily misconstrue origins, and seem to frequently enough.
The Masonic guilds have records or Articles of Incorporation going back to the 1300's, throughout the cities of Europe.
Posted by: WarriorofGod, wouldn't you like to know on 1:59am Mon 14 May 07
[quote][bold]David B.[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]S. Vetter[/bold] wrote:
Sure there are such books detailing Masonic landscapes, but I can\\\'t recall anything at the moment. Except maybe for a crackpot writer by the last name of Ickes that I\\\'d avoid- the guy is always trying to say the \\\"Illuminati\\\" are reptilian aliens...[/quote] You\\\'re referring to David Icke and the fact you don\\\'t even know his full name shows that you don\\\'t know very much about him or the subjects of the \\\"Illuminati\\\" and \\\"Freemasonry\\\". If I were you I wouldn\\\'t offer anyone else any advice of these subjects until you know exactly what you\\\'re talking about.
David Icke is NOT a crackpot. Go watch the film \\\"David Icke: Was He Right?\\\". You can find it on YouTube. There\\\'s a section during his break at a lecture where he\\\'s questioning if he should even bring up his \\\"reptilian\\\" belief during the final part of his lecture. He knows his theories are far out there and he\\\'s NEVER tried to force them on anyone.
More people are starting to listen to what he says because in the early 1990\\\'s he predicted a lot of the things the \\\"Illuminati\\\" and other groups would do in order to start to create the New World Order. Everything he predicted has come true.
Again. Think about what you\\\'re saying before posting anything and gets your facts straight.[/quote] Way to go. People, you're so dumb, so blind, so...controlled. REPTILIANS exist and Freemasontry is just as bad as satanism. Seriously, the freemasons (old folks) whatever, don't know cause they are in lower degrees. Higher degrees KNOW more... and by more I mean the new World order Agenda. Get your head straight people and wake up. The day of judgement is near. *sighs* stupid..stupid...ssstttupid..people. Sorry. YOU ARE BLIND.
David B. wrote:
S. Vetter wrote:
Sure there are such books detailing Masonic landscapes, but I can't recall anything at the moment. Except maybe for a crackpot writer by the last name of Ickes that I'd avoid- the guy is always trying to say the \\\"Illuminati\\\" are reptilian aliens...
You're referring to David Icke and the fact you don't even know his full name shows that you don't know very much about him or the subjects of the \\\"Illuminati\\\" and \\\"Freemasonry\\\". If I were you I wouldn't offer anyone else any advice of these subjects until you know exactly what you're talking about.
David Icke is NOT a crackpot. Go watch the film \\\"David Icke: Was He Right?\\\". You can find it on YouTube. There's a section during his break at a lecture where he's questioning if he should even bring up his \\\"reptilian\\\" belief during the final part of his lecture. He knows his theories are far out there and he's NEVER tried to force them on anyone.
More people are starting to listen to what he says because in the early 1990's he predicted a lot of the things the \\\"Illuminati\\\" and other groups would do in order to start to create the New World Order. Everything he predicted has come true.
Again. Think about what you're saying before posting anything and gets your facts straight.
Way to go. People, you're so dumb, so blind, so...controlled. REPTILIANS exist and Freemasontry is just as bad as satanism. Seriously, the freemasons (old folks) whatever, don't know cause they are in lower degrees. Higher degrees KNOW more... and by more I mean the new World order Agenda. Get your head straight people and wake up. The day of judgement is near. *sighs* stupid..stupid...ssstttupid..people. Sorry. YOU ARE BLIND.
Posted by: Buzz, Australia on 2:00am Mon 14 May 07
[quote][bold]MAD[/bold] wrote:
Yes, \\\"Reptilians\\\" are part of the phenomenon, a phenomenon that is mostly a HOAX in the first place. There were \\\"Reptilians\\\" in the old Star Trek series, as well as 1000 Science Fiction books from the 1940\\\'s-60\\\'s. Yes, David Icke who hates Jesus, but claims himself as the \\\"True son of God\\\". David Icke who charges $150 dollars per ticket to see him speak at a beach resort in Miami. David Icke who charges $$$ for EVERYTHING he ever does and repeats the same material over and over again for years at a time, claiming to \\\"change the world\\\". David Icke speaks some truths, but my God, have some people not figured out fiction from reality yet? No wonder \\\"THEY\\\" get away with so much, we\\\'ll believe almost anything if you give it a catchy title and a nice cover. Plain and simple, most people would rather believe the sensationalist lie, than what they consider \\\"boring\\\" truth... I wouldn\\\'t doubt that Icke is a Mason himself, and his job is to COVER UP the truth while pretending to be exposing it...[/quote] Should read what D. Icke says about Royalty.. "Is it, how it is"! ..... "goodness!!!
MAD wrote:
Yes, \\\"Reptilians\\\" are part of the phenomenon, a phenomenon that is mostly a HOAX in the first place. There were \\\"Reptilians\\\" in the old Star Trek series, as well as 1000 Science Fiction books from the 1940's-60's. Yes, David Icke who hates Jesus, but claims himself as the \\\"True son of God\\\". David Icke who charges $150 dollars per ticket to see him speak at a beach resort in Miami. David Icke who charges $$$ for EVERYTHING he ever does and repeats the same material over and over again for years at a time, claiming to \\\"change the world\\\". David Icke speaks some truths, but my God, have some people not figured out fiction from reality yet? No wonder \\\"THEY\\\" get away with so much, we'll believe almost anything if you give it a catchy title and a nice cover. Plain and simple, most people would rather believe the sensationalist lie, than what they consider \\\"boring\\\" truth... I wouldn't doubt that Icke is a Mason himself, and his job is to COVER UP the truth while pretending to be exposing it...
Should read what D. Icke says about Royalty.. "Is it, how it is"! ..... "goodness!!!
Posted by: Scott, Connecticut on 2:48am Mon 14 May 07
Um, sorry to burst you bubbles conspiracy theorists, but Freemasonry is nothing more than a fraternity. We dont use "magic", or "magick", there is now New World Order conspiracy, and if there is the Masons have nothing to do with it. Freemasonry is not a religion, secret society, or have anything to do with the Illuminati, since the Illuminati ceased to exist in about 1875. As for what the Illuminati even stood for when it did exist was for the same purposes America fought its war for independence from Britain, FREEDOM! The real bad guys in the world are Islamic fascists and liberal Democrats (sorry just a joke there about the Dems lol). You conspiracy theorists need to grow up and get out of mommy's basement. The bogeyman of the world is not Freemasonry or Illuminati, since the Illuminati does NOT exist any more. And yes I am a Freemason, so you all will just say I'm covering up, so believe what you want.
Um, sorry to burst you bubbles conspiracy theorists, but Freemasonry is nothing more than a fraternity. We dont use "magic", or "magick", there is now New World Order conspiracy, and if there is the Masons have nothing to do with it. Freemasonry is not a religion, secret society, or have anything to do with the Illuminati, since the Illuminati ceased to exist in about 1875. As for what the Illuminati even stood for when it did exist was for the same purposes America fought its war for independence from Britain, FREEDOM! The real bad guys in the world are Islamic fascists and liberal Democrats (sorry just a joke there about the Dems lol). You conspiracy theorists need to grow up and get out of mommy's basement. The bogeyman of the world is not Freemasonry or Illuminati, since the Illuminati does NOT exist any more. And yes I am a Freemason, so you all will just say I'm covering up, so believe what you want.
Posted by: Michael Johnson, El Salvador on 3:38am Mon 14 May 07
Icke is probably on to it
if you have not been in the jungle and specifically Tikal and at night, then shut up
and this 'freemason' response is lower order and
is a mouth piece obviously
Icke is probably on to it
if you have not been in the jungle and specifically Tikal and at night, then shut up
and this 'freemason' response is lower order and
is a mouth piece obviously
Posted by: J.C. on 4:26am Mon 14 May 07
How DARE you???? Freemasonry is of the Devil, and David Icke is his loyal servant. As God's 4 Star General in the war against media ****, I WILL NOT STAND FOR IT!!! JUDGEMENT DAY IS NEAR!!!
How DARE you???? Freemasonry is of the Devil, and David Icke is his loyal servant. As God's 4 Star General in the war against media ****, I WILL NOT STAND FOR IT!!! JUDGEMENT DAY IS NEAR!!!
Posted by: K.C., Kansas on 6:21am Mon 14 May 07
Why are Jesus lovers so quick to hate?
Why are Jesus lovers so quick to hate?
Posted by: Brother Jack, The Free State-Lawrence, Kansas on 7:51am Mon 14 May 07
Because "Jesus" ACTUALLY represents the OPPOSITE of what he CLAIMS to represent. If you want a real answer to the question, "why are Jesus lovers so quick to hate?" then read 'Not In His Image' by John Lash. Most important book of our time.
By the by, David Icke IS right!!!
Peace,
Brother Jack
Because "Jesus" ACTUALLY represents the OPPOSITE of what he CLAIMS to represent. If you want a real answer to the question, "why are Jesus lovers so quick to hate?" then read 'Not In His Image' by John Lash. Most important book of our time.
By the by, David Icke IS right!!!
Peace,
Brother Jack
Posted by: Temple Master, Oracle, AZ on 8:36am Mon 14 May 07
[quote][bold]Scott[/bold] wrote:
Um, sorry to burst you bubbles conspiracy theorists, but Freemasonry is nothing more than a fraternity. We dont use \"magic\", or \"magick\", there is now New World Order conspiracy, and if there is the Masons have nothing to do with it. Freemasonry is not a religion, secret society, or have anything to do with the Illuminati, since the Illuminati ceased to exist in about 1875. As for what the Illuminati even stood for when it did exist was for the same purposes America fought its war for independence from Britain, FREEDOM! The real bad guys in the world are Islamic fascists and liberal Democrats (sorry just a joke there about the Dems lol). You conspiracy theorists need to grow up and get out of mommy\'s basement. The bogeyman of the world is not Freemasonry or Illuminati, since the Illuminati does NOT exist any more. And yes I am a Freemason, so you all will just say I\'m covering up, so believe what you want.[/quote] Yes, your [italic]perception[/italic] of reality (instilled by freemasonry) readily supports 'plausible deniability' because the entire point is for freemasons to remain blissfully ignorant of the true inner realm (the Illuminati). Their intent is for you to perpetuate the 'fraternal' aspect to the profane and vulgar (i.e. the masses & media) while freemasons remain far outside the 'sanctus sanctorum'. This is how nearly every mason can realistically state that they "know nothing about the Illuminati" and "Freemasons are not involved" ...because masons do not know the true secret, and most never will. This is the purpose the masons serve in the grand scheme: they're NWO cannon fodder.
FYI, we DO practice high-magick; yet you don't know, because most masons are below the upper degrees (33+). Masonic lodges are concerned with the 'tangible' aspects of esoteric science, not magic.
Just FYI, here's a little known secret: you don't have to attend Yale to be 'tapped' for the Skull & Bones Society, but you -must- have the proper bloodline and/or background... the Yale 'requirement' is just disinformation propagated via the simple-minded media shills. Again, it serves a diversionary purpose, focusing media attention upon just one school. I was 'tapped' 2000 miles away from Yale.
David Icke? He's got a few things correct, but he is still perceived as being 'on the fringe' because the masses cannot grasp such a vast and centuries-old conspiracy; their minds are barely able to think beyond the next few hours, days, or months (let alone a few years)... the profane simply do not think in terms of decades and centuries.
Note how David Icke, Texx Mars, Alex Jones, et-al are always selling new DVDs, books, etc.. Do you really think they would be allowed to sell and promote their publications without the [italic]controllers'[/italic] consent?! If you do, I suggest you read the end of Aldous Huxley's 'Brave New World' again, it's all a diversion. In other words, "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain."
With all due respect to Mr. Scott's work, it appears rather obvious the Necropolis was saturated with Masonic tradition. What's the news?
My point? Nothing [italic]new[/italic] in the 'news'... just another DIVERSION.
Scott wrote:
Um, sorry to burst you bubbles conspiracy theorists, but Freemasonry is nothing more than a fraternity. We dont use \"magic\", or \"magick\", there is now New World Order conspiracy, and if there is the Masons have nothing to do with it. Freemasonry is not a religion, secret society, or have anything to do with the Illuminati, since the Illuminati ceased to exist in about 1875. As for what the Illuminati even stood for when it did exist was for the same purposes America fought its war for independence from Britain, FREEDOM! The real bad guys in the world are Islamic fascists and liberal Democrats (sorry just a joke there about the Dems lol). You conspiracy theorists need to grow up and get out of mommy\'s basement. The bogeyman of the world is not Freemasonry or Illuminati, since the Illuminati does NOT exist any more. And yes I am a Freemason, so you all will just say I\'m covering up, so believe what you want.
Yes, your
perception of reality (instilled by freemasonry) readily supports 'plausible deniability' because the entire point is for freemasons to remain blissfully ignorant of the true inner realm (the Illuminati). Their intent is for you to perpetuate the 'fraternal' aspect to the profane and vulgar (i.e. the masses & media) while freemasons remain far outside the 'sanctus sanctorum'. This is how nearly every mason can realistically state that they "know nothing about the Illuminati" and "Freemasons are not involved" ...because masons do not know the true secret, and most never will. This is the purpose the masons serve in the grand scheme: they're NWO cannon fodder.
FYI, we DO practice high-magick; yet you don't know, because most masons are below the upper degrees (33+). Masonic lodges are concerned with the 'tangible' aspects of esoteric science, not magic.
Just FYI, here's a little known secret: you don't have to attend Yale to be 'tapped' for the Skull & Bones Society, but you -must- have the proper bloodline and/or background... the Yale 'requirement' is just disinformation propagated via the simple-minded media shills. Again, it serves a diversionary purpose, focusing media attention upon just one school. I was 'tapped' 2000 miles away from Yale.
David Icke? He's got a few things correct, but he is still perceived as being 'on the fringe' because the masses cannot grasp such a vast and centuries-old conspiracy; their minds are barely able to think beyond the next few hours, days, or months (let alone a few years)... the profane simply do not think in terms of decades and centuries.
Note how David Icke, Texx Mars, Alex Jones, et-al are always selling new DVDs, books, etc.. Do you really think they would be allowed to sell and promote their publications without the
controllers' consent?! If you do, I suggest you read the end of Aldous Huxley's 'Brave New World' again, it's all a diversion. In other words, "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain."
With all due respect to Mr. Scott's work, it appears rather obvious the Necropolis was saturated with Masonic tradition. What's the news?
My point? Nothing
new in the 'news'... just another DIVERSION.
Posted by: MAD, INDY on 10:34am Mon 14 May 07
[quote]The real bad guys in the world are Islamic fascists and liberal Democrats (sorry just a joke there about the Dems lol). You conspiracy theorists need to grow up and get out of mommy's basement.[/quote]
VOTE REPUBLICAN!!! As if there's really any difference between the 2 parties. They "party" on the grave-sites of innocents whos blood feeds the "Lizard Queen".
"Islamo-Fasicists" are a bad catch-phrase!!! Kill them, kill another million!!! Notice how only 1 out of every 10,000 dead was actually a "terrorist"? The rest were just civilians caught in the crossfire of a FAKE **** war for NOTHING...
[quote]My point? Nothing new in the 'news'... just another DIVERSION.[/quote]
The real bad guys in the world are Islamic fascists and liberal Democrats (sorry just a joke there about the Dems lol). You conspiracy theorists need to grow up and get out of mommy's basement.
VOTE REPUBLICAN!!! As if there's really any difference between the 2 parties. They "party" on the grave-sites of innocents whos blood feeds the "Lizard Queen".
"Islamo-Fasicists" are a bad catch-phrase!!! Kill them, kill another million!!! Notice how only 1 out of every 10,000 dead was actually a "terrorist"? The rest were just civilians caught in the crossfire of a FAKE **** war for NOTHING...
My point? Nothing new in the 'news'... just another DIVERSION.
Posted by: MAD, INDY on 10:38am Mon 14 May 07
[quote]Note how David Icke, Texx Mars, Alex Jones, et-al are always selling new DVDs, books, etc.. Do you really think they would be allowed to sell and promote their publications without the controllers' consent?! If you do, I suggest you read the end of Aldous Huxley's 'Brave New World' again, it's all a diversion. In other words, "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain."[/quote]
They are hundred-thousandaires, if not millionaires, making money off of the gullible and ill-informed. Lying strait into the face of the world, no better than any politician or religious "authority"...
Note how David Icke, Texx Mars, Alex Jones, et-al are always selling new DVDs, books, etc.. Do you really think they would be allowed to sell and promote their publications without the controllers' consent?! If you do, I suggest you read the end of Aldous Huxley's 'Brave New World' again, it's all a diversion. In other words, "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain."
They are hundred-thousandaires, if not millionaires, making money off of the gullible and ill-informed. Lying strait into the face of the world, no better than any politician or religious "authority"...
Posted by: Hiram, Middle Chamber on 5:54pm Mon 14 May 07
Given a choice between the good men that I have met in the lodge (and the good works done by Masons worldwide) and the vicious hatemongering and misinformation promoted by so-called Christians such as the one above...... I take it back, there is no choice necessary.
Given a choice between the good men that I have met in the lodge (and the good works done by Masons worldwide) and the vicious hatemongering and misinformation promoted by so-called Christians such as the one above...... I take it back, there is no choice necessary.
Posted by: MAD, INDY on 4:39am Tue 15 May 07
I'm not a Christian.. Not all Masons are "evil" but they're all being manipulated and lied to, just like any follower of pretty much ANY religion or "secret" socieity.. Oh yeah, they're not a secret society, they're a society with secrets.. Big difference there...
I'm not a Christian.. Not all Masons are "evil" but they're all being manipulated and lied to, just like any follower of pretty much ANY religion or "secret" socieity.. Oh yeah, they're not a secret society, they're a society with secrets.. Big difference there...
Posted by: MAD, INDY on 4:40am Tue 15 May 07
Sarcasm...
Posted by: Sean, Glasgow on 1:16pm Tue 15 May 07
Dear Mr "Temple Master, Oracle, AZ" person on this page... ok, so you are posing as a big wig in this game (just for jolly times.. lets take this character as read) and all privy sitting in your "sanctus sanctorum"... sweeping crumbs at us, the "cannon fodder" (actually we must be worse than cannon fodder, since you were actually referring to people below you who are a part of your own fraternal order)... yes, i know.. you see, i've met people of the "right ilk", unable to disguise their fear and distrust of the great teeming mass of worker bees (mere “automatons”, I’m sure), so thank you. Thank you for illustrating for us the workings of your mind, and the fruits of your frigid hierarchically based modes of thought. Or are you going through a crisis of conscience? In which case - don't stop.
You tease us with Aldous Huxley.. please don't- we will only wonder if you are merely revealing to us the very stuff of your own wet dreams. Unless of course, you are having a crisis of conscience, hence the crumbs and teasers. In which case, please continue..
But ultimately (if you are pukka, or indeed a twisted fantasist) the only "diversion" is in your own mind.. the idea that you have a perfect right to play cat and mouse with people (captive audience here/the slightly less profane?). Unless of course, you are having a crisis of conscience (keep it up). But I would understand. Boys love secrets, and some boys love a good game of chess.
So Mr Temple Master.. what do you reckon? Will it all come out in the wash? Enlighten us, initiate us.. your secrets are safe with us, ho ho ho. You allude to “diversions”.. nothing new under the sun, indeed.
Dear Mr "Temple Master, Oracle, AZ" person on this page... ok, so you are posing as a big wig in this game (just for jolly times.. lets take this character as read) and all privy sitting in your "sanctus sanctorum"... sweeping crumbs at us, the "cannon fodder" (actually we must be worse than cannon fodder, since you were actually referring to people below you who are a part of your own fraternal order)... yes, i know.. you see, i've met people of the "right ilk", unable to disguise their fear and distrust of the great teeming mass of worker bees (mere “automatons”, I’m sure), so thank you. Thank you for illustrating for us the workings of your mind, and the fruits of your frigid hierarchically based modes of thought. Or are you going through a crisis of conscience? In which case - don't stop.
You tease us with Aldous Huxley.. please don't- we will only wonder if you are merely revealing to us the very stuff of your own wet dreams. Unless of course, you are having a crisis of conscience, hence the crumbs and teasers. In which case, please continue..
But ultimately (if you are pukka, or indeed a twisted fantasist) the only "diversion" is in your own mind.. the idea that you have a perfect right to play cat and mouse with people (captive audience here/the slightly less profane?). Unless of course, you are having a crisis of conscience (keep it up). But I would understand. Boys love secrets, and some boys love a good game of chess.
So Mr Temple Master.. what do you reckon? Will it all come out in the wash? Enlighten us, initiate us.. your secrets are safe with us, ho ho ho. You allude to “diversions”.. nothing new under the sun, indeed.
Posted by: Allen on 3:16pm Tue 15 May 07
I am an eight foot rabbit (it would be redundant to say eight foot [italic]giant[/italic] rabbit, I suppose, so I won't). Support our cause against the lizard men! They are jealous of our long beautiful ears.
I am an eight foot rabbit (it would be redundant to say eight foot
giant rabbit, I suppose, so I won't). Support our cause against the lizard men! They are jealous of our long beautiful ears.
Posted by: JIM on 4:48pm Tue 15 May 07
I AM THE LIZARD KING... I CAN DO ANYTHING
I AM THE LIZARD KING... I CAN DO ANYTHING
Posted by: James Kirk-White, Burks Falls, Ontario, CA on 5:52pm Tue 15 May 07
Shame: how good subject matter can be altered by foolish high-jacking.
Difficult: to get back on track, but let us try.
Interesting: how communitees of Masons reflect their love of the craft.
Do: proceed with making this study into a Masonic landmark.
Please: don't discredit Rosslyn Chapel's [bold]solid[/bold] Masonic history to do so.
Shame: how good subject matter can be altered by foolish high-jacking.
Difficult: to get back on track, but let us try.
Interesting: how communitees of Masons reflect their love of the craft.
Do: proceed with making this study into a Masonic landmark.
Please: don't discredit Rosslyn Chapel's
solid Masonic history to do so.
Posted by: Ronnie, Glasgow on 11:34pm Tue 15 May 07
[quote][bold]James Kirk-White[/bold] wrote:
Shame: how good subject matter can be altered by foolish high-jacking.
Difficult: to get back on track, but let us try.
Interesting: how communitees of Masons reflect their love of the craft.
Do: proceed with making this study into a Masonic landmark.
Please: don't discredit Rosslyn Chapel's [bold]solid[/bold] Masonic history to do so.
[/quote] Thanks, James, there is still much work to be done on Masonic landscapes. Does anyone have any references to this in books or articles?
James Kirk-White wrote:
Shame: how good subject matter can be altered by foolish high-jacking.
Difficult: to get back on track, but let us try.
Interesting: how communitees of Masons reflect their love of the craft.
Do: proceed with making this study into a Masonic landmark.
Please: don't discredit Rosslyn Chapel's solid Masonic history to do so.
Thanks, James, there is still much work to be done on Masonic landscapes. Does anyone have any references to this in books or articles?
Posted by: MAD, INDY on 4:59am Wed 16 May 07
Besides this Necropolis (which is interesting), there are 100's of instances of Masonic symbolism and ground layouts around the world. One big example, the layout of Washington D.C., the Capital Building, and how this all relates to the establishment of Georgetown University. Most CORPORATE logos are devised of "Masonic" or "Illuminist" emblems as well...
"Novus Ordo Seclorum" on the back of the dollar bill. The list goes on and on...
Besides this Necropolis (which is interesting), there are 100's of instances of Masonic symbolism and ground layouts around the world. One big example, the layout of Washington D.C., the Capital Building, and how this all relates to the establishment of Georgetown University. Most CORPORATE logos are devised of "Masonic" or "Illuminist" emblems as well...
"Novus Ordo Seclorum" on the back of the dollar bill. The list goes on and on...
Posted by: The End, US on 6:14am Wed 16 May 07
Comparing Alex Jones to David Icke? Get real.
How about stating some facts, or backing up your opinion with some real argumentation?
And if you don't think 9/11 was an inside job, you simply haven't looked into the physical evidence. Go to ebay and buy DVD-Rs of the various 9/11 films, there's plenty of great information for only a few bucks. Anyone who trusts the U.S. government in this day & age is either naive or just willfully ignorant.
Comparing Alex Jones to David Icke? Get real.
How about stating some facts, or backing up your opinion with some real argumentation?
And if you don't think 9/11 was an inside job, you simply haven't looked into the physical evidence. Go to ebay and buy DVD-Rs of the various 9/11 films, there's plenty of great information for only a few bucks. Anyone who trusts the U.S. government in this day & age is either naive or just willfully ignorant.
Posted by: Jeffrey Nolan, Toronto on 6:20pm Wed 16 May 07
I'm surprised this has gotten as much press as it has. I credit Ronnie Scott for noticing the serial symbolism and understanding it's context. However, there are several scholarly works on the topic already, each mentioning Scotland in some capacity, while not necessarily the Necropolis.
I've read James Curl's --Art and Architecture of Freemasonry-- which is heavily academic and richly illustrated. It is a very thorogh history using sources available. Specifically, Curl dissects many of the French Necropolises which were opnely designed by Freemasons who did not hide the underlying allegories of the layouts.
Once I finished the book, I went for a walk down a street in Toronto which I have walked hundreds of times. And ther, in front of me, was an apartment block from the 1880s designed with two obelisks and a path leading directly into Mt. Pleasant Cemetery. It was precisely what I had just seen in the book and it could only have been intentional in its inception.
Toronto's Necropolis and Toronto's older architecture are heavily Freemasonic, which does not astonish anyone in Toronto.
The fact that there are whole sets of diagrams and books dealing with Freemasons expressing themselves through cemeteries is oddly missing from Ronnie Scott's ".....years of painstaking study...".
However, since Mr. Scott is doing the legwork and I am not, I have to congratulate him on his work and upon his ability to back up what he is positing with facts. I hope to visit the Glasgow Necropolis and enjoy seeing it through his enlightened eyes.
---rJe
I'm surprised this has gotten as much press as it has. I credit Ronnie Scott for noticing the serial symbolism and understanding it's context. However, there are several scholarly works on the topic already, each mentioning Scotland in some capacity, while not necessarily the Necropolis.
I've read James Curl's --Art and Architecture of Freemasonry-- which is heavily academic and richly illustrated. It is a very thorogh history using sources available. Specifically, Curl dissects many of the French Necropolises which were opnely designed by Freemasons who did not hide the underlying allegories of the layouts.
Once I finished the book, I went for a walk down a street in Toronto which I have walked hundreds of times. And ther, in front of me, was an apartment block from the 1880s designed with two obelisks and a path leading directly into Mt. Pleasant Cemetery. It was precisely what I had just seen in the book and it could only have been intentional in its inception.
Toronto's Necropolis and Toronto's older architecture are heavily Freemasonic, which does not astonish anyone in Toronto.
The fact that there are whole sets of diagrams and books dealing with Freemasons expressing themselves through cemeteries is oddly missing from Ronnie Scott's ".....years of painstaking study...".
However, since Mr. Scott is doing the legwork and I am not, I have to congratulate him on his work and upon his ability to back up what he is positing with facts. I hope to visit the Glasgow Necropolis and enjoy seeing it through his enlightened eyes.
---rJe
Posted by: Jahbulon, Wales on 10:39pm Wed 16 May 07
Someone is having a laugh here. Try every church, cathedral etc. that has ever been built and test it out for masonic/ mystery religion influence. Every town-hall government building, assembly is a masonic erection (literally). Every obelisk is the masonic erection modelled on the one at heliopolis. Big Ben likewise modelled on an Egyptian erection , not the crap about the bell they give us. Every mortar board you don when you graduate is the masonic square - your head beneath is the squaring of the circle (its a masonic ****-take). Mr Scott had better do his homework because he should be finding a hell of a lot more..
Someone is having a laugh here. Try every church, cathedral etc. that has ever been built and test it out for masonic/ mystery religion influence. Every town-hall government building, assembly is a masonic erection (literally). Every obelisk is the masonic erection modelled on the one at heliopolis. Big Ben likewise modelled on an Egyptian erection , not the crap about the bell they give us. Every mortar board you don when you graduate is the masonic square - your head beneath is the squaring of the circle (its a masonic ****-take). Mr Scott had better do his homework because he should be finding a hell of a lot more..
Posted by: Sean, Glasgow on 4:16pm Thu 17 May 07
..some good comments. I hope as many people as possible will want to study this- for these reasons: partly as an exposé, but mainly because there are some great things to learn. It's a great subject and we see many connections being made in the fields of Astrotheology and archaeoastronomy (subjects that may have a strong link to the main story on this page) that suggest that certain types of knowledge have traditionally been regarded as being only for the few, and not the many. One should indeed take great exception to that kind of thinking.
Talk of "conspiracy theories" "lizards" "devil worshipers"or any other technique to discredit and marginalize should fade away, in place of something real and serious.
..some good comments. I hope as many people as possible will want to study this- for these reasons: partly as an exposé, but mainly because there are some great things to learn. It's a great subject and we see many connections being made in the fields of Astrotheology and archaeoastronomy (subjects that may have a strong link to the main story on this page) that suggest that certain types of knowledge have traditionally been regarded as being only for the few, and not the many. One should indeed take great exception to that kind of thinking.
Talk of "conspiracy theories" "lizards" "devil worshipers"or any other technique to discredit and marginalize should fade away, in place of something real and serious.
Posted by: Sean, Glasgow on 4:30pm Thu 17 May 07
The majority of freemasons would do well to take note the words of Albert Pike (Grand Master of American Scottish Rite Freemasonry and Head of the Illuminati) :
"The Blue Degrees are but the outer court…of the temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretation. It is not intended that he shall understand them, but it is intended that he shall imagine that he understands them…The true explanation is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry (those of the 32nd and 33rd degrees)
And Adam Weishaupt:
"These good folk swell our numbers and fill our money-box. Set yourselves to work; these gentlemen must be made to nibble at the bait…But this sort of people must always be made to believe that the grade they have reached is the last"
The majority of freemasons would do well to take note the words of Albert Pike (Grand Master of American Scottish Rite Freemasonry and Head of the Illuminati) :
"The Blue Degrees are but the outer court…of the temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretation. It is not intended that he shall understand them, but it is intended that he shall imagine that he understands them…The true explanation is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry (those of the 32nd and 33rd degrees)
And Adam Weishaupt:
"These good folk swell our numbers and fill our money-box. Set yourselves to work; these gentlemen must be made to nibble at the bait…But this sort of people must always be made to believe that the grade they have reached is the last"
Posted by: Mike, Toronto on 12:42am Fri 18 May 07
[bold]Don't feel all that happy, whenever I see the K.K.K marching up and down in the USA trying to intimidate blacks like me it somehow reminds me of the highlands of scotland, Now Thanks to Masonic mumbo jumbo, white sheets swearing of oaths on bibles we have the world's first ethnic cleasing group backed by organised religion.[/bold]
Don't feel all that happy, whenever I see the K.K.K marching up and down in the USA trying to intimidate blacks like me it somehow reminds me of the highlands of scotland, Now Thanks to Masonic mumbo jumbo, white sheets swearing of oaths on bibles we have the world's first ethnic cleasing group backed by organised religion. Posted by: Scott, falkirk, ecosse on 8:51pm Fri 18 May 07
mike, toronto didn't you read the last 2 comments
Talk of "conspiracy theories" "lizards" "devil worshipers"or any other technique to discredit and marginalize should fade away, in place of something real and serious.
sean mentioned
It's a great subject and we see many connections being made in the fields of Astrotheology and archaeoastronomy (subjects that may have a strong link to the main story on this page) that suggest that certain types of knowledge have traditionally been regarded as being only for the few, and not the many. One should indeed take great exception to that kind of thinking.
I would like to add that it is the unknown that people fear most - please read something that might stimulate some thought a good place to start 'might' be...
The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasonry, and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus (Paperback)
by Christopher Knight (Author), Robert Lomas (Author)
this book is not for everybody and i do not agree with everything that is published here - but I think that it is a good place to start.
props to Sean
mike, toronto didn't you read the last 2 comments
Talk of "conspiracy theories" "lizards" "devil worshipers"or any other technique to discredit and marginalize should fade away, in place of something real and serious.
sean mentioned
It's a great subject and we see many connections being made in the fields of Astrotheology and archaeoastronomy (subjects that may have a strong link to the main story on this page) that suggest that certain types of knowledge have traditionally been regarded as being only for the few, and not the many. One should indeed take great exception to that kind of thinking.
I would like to add that it is the unknown that people fear most - please read something that might stimulate some thought a good place to start 'might' be...
The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasonry, and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus (Paperback)
by Christopher Knight (Author), Robert Lomas (Author)
this book is not for everybody and i do not agree with everything that is published here - but I think that it is a good place to start.
props to Sean
Posted by: Len Walker, Australia on 2:32am Sat 19 May 07
[quote][bold]S. Vetter[/bold] wrote:
Sure there are such books detailing Masonic landscapes, but I can't recall anything at the moment. Except maybe for a crackpot writer by the last name of Ickes that I'd avoid- the guy is always trying to say the "Illuminati" are reptilian aliens...[/quote] He could be right if you ask me and many others. His theories certainly are crazy sounding though why havent any of the illuminati taken him to court? and the world barely sees enough of these shady racist devils to clarify that theyre not.
I think its funny too theres always some group of right wing,elite lovers who always have to speak about this guy and call him a crack pot when theyre not a offering any solution themselves as to what and who this society is...
Just more propagandists at work trying to deter people from the truth.
I mean these "people" are the ones responsible for all the wars on earth created by western civilisation. Even India, China, Japan and others have a seat in this evil regime.
I bet you and many others will stop blasting icke when the whole world is in crisis and war over water shortage, crop failures and mass racial discimination over who gets what little supplies are left, and the governments turn a blind eye on everything except theyre most powerful elite.
S. Vetter wrote:
Sure there are such books detailing Masonic landscapes, but I can't recall anything at the moment. Except maybe for a crackpot writer by the last name of Ickes that I'd avoid- the guy is always trying to say the "Illuminati" are reptilian aliens...
He could be right if you ask me and many others. His theories certainly are crazy sounding though why havent any of the illuminati taken him to court? and the world barely sees enough of these shady racist devils to clarify that theyre not.
I think its funny too theres always some group of right wing,elite lovers who always have to speak about this guy and call him a crack pot when theyre not a offering any solution themselves as to what and who this society is...
Just more propagandists at work trying to deter people from the truth.
I mean these "people" are the ones responsible for all the wars on earth created by western civilisation. Even India, China, Japan and others have a seat in this evil regime.
I bet you and many others will stop blasting icke when the whole world is in crisis and war over water shortage, crop failures and mass racial discimination over who gets what little supplies are left, and the governments turn a blind eye on everything except theyre most powerful elite.
Posted by: Patricia, USA,La. on 9:04am Wed 23 May 07
[italic]italic[/italic] First to Mr. Scott. What a wonderful find.
With prayer that Pure interest are made to the preservation of all
their works.
On a personal note: I am in the healthcare profession.
In my work I have met 2 elderly gentlemen that were Masons.
I have never met such nicer men in my entire 55 years as they were.
Both very soft spoken and most curteous, never slanderous nor demeaning. No matter how what was ailing them, neither complained nor did it stop then from continuing with their ADL's
as if everything was normal. Neither were preverted and never did
anyone hear a foul thing come from their mouths.
They loved their families and kept strong family bonds.
People are not born with respect, they have to earn it.
These gentlemen earned respect from everyone that touched their
lives.
Moving right along.
The only book that tantalized me with some of the symbols and or
objects of Wash.DC was written in Joseph F. Goodavage(now deceased)
Astrology The Space Age Science.Chapter 13
The United States A Mystical Heritage.
For the 91