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Special forces on standby over nuclear threat
IAN BRUCE, Defence CorrespondentDecember 31 2007

US special forces snatch squads are on standby to seize or disable Pakistan's nuclear arsenal in the event of a collapse of government authority or the outbreak of civil war following the assassination of Benazir Bhutto.

The troops, augmented by volunteer scientists from America's Nuclear Emergency Search Team organisation, are under orders to take control of an estimated 60 warheads dispersed around six to 10 high-security Pakistani military bases.

Military sources say contingency plans have been reviewed over the past three days to prevent any of Pakistan's atomic weapons falling into the hands of Islamic extremists if the administration of President Pervez Musharraf appears threatened by civil unrest.

Some of the special forces are already believed to be in neighbouring Afghanistan and on alert for the mission. It is also understood that satellite surveillance of Pakistan has been stepped up to keep track of the possible movement of nuclear weapons and missile delivery systems.

According to a US Congressional report published in November, Pakistan's nuclear deterrent consists of warheads for missiles and bombs dropped from aircraft.

To maintain security, the weapons are not stored fully-assembled. Warheads, detonators and missiles are kept separately, but able to be married up "fairly quickly" in the event of a national crisis such as confrontation with India.

While the US has stated publicly its confidence that Pakistan's military has the weapons "under effective technical control", Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice admitted two years ago that if there was a radical Islamic coup, the US was "prepared to try to deal with it".

Internal security at Pakistan's nuclear storage sites is the responsibility of a 10,000-man security force commanded by a two-star general. Every member of the force is vetted with the aim of weeding out sympathisers of the Taliban and al Qaeda or anyone with extreme Islamic views.

US diplomatic and military initiatives since 2001 have concentrated on trying to ensure that pro-western commanders were in charge at the most sensitive sites.

There has also been pressure to keep Pakistan's ISI intelligence agency, thought to contain a number of high-ranking pro-Taliban supporters, out of the nuclear loop.


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Posted by: James Currie, Canada on 1:27am Mon 31 Dec 07
This scary article shows us again the spectacular failure of US policies and indeed of the US. They've been sending billions in military aid to an unstable country in a dangerous area. Now they're making making provisional plans to attack upto ten high security Pakistani bases in the event of a civil war. You're joking of course! They can't even find Osama, do they expect to roll over a well trained Pakistani army (well supplied with American arms)?
Americans have been watching too many Hollywood movies or more likely they're smoking too much hash!
The Sunday Herald's poll question asked "are you optimistic about 2008". Seriously, I'm just hoping the World can survive one more year of this clown Bush and his 'Darth Vader' VP Cheney.
Posted by: andrew on 4:22am Mon 31 Dec 07
Is anyone on standby to seize or disable the USA's nuclear weapons if their leaders go mad?
Posted by: realwest, USA on 6:35am Mon 31 Dec 07
I think it's just BRILLIANT for us to make a public announcement about this.
It's sure going to make those who believe Pakistan is under too much influence from the US sooo much more comfy tonight.
Posted by: ammad rana, lahore pakistan on 9:49am Mon 31 Dec 07
its very funny article, writer ,seems like clearly under the influance of dope ,watching ramboo movies in a redneck trailer home. pakistan is not a banana republic, its a 160-million strong nation,and they fwill fight to the last((they have history of uniting in crisis) and they will retaliate with whatever they have(in this case the nukes)trust me will be able to save some in anycase.so i sugest to the writer ,please take a deep breath and cut the grass in front of your trailor park home,somke some weeds and sleep ,and not worry about pakistani nukes.
Posted by: John Edgar, Cupar, Fife on 12:16pm Mon 31 Dec 07
Here we have the domino effect in reverse! America worried about nuclear weapons falling into the wrong hands in a country it has militarily supported for years. Are we to witness another illegal invasion of a sovereign country? What will the British satraps do at Westminster? Stand by or join in? I think we know the answer to that question? If so, where does America's self appointed guardianship of the world end? Who wil be next? And under what pretext? Well we know the answer to that? Just shout terrorist, Al qaeda Osama and they all charge like the Gadarene swine headlong into the quagmire!
Posted by: Bill, England, Freehootsman on 2:08pm Mon 31 Dec 07
US special forces will have to stand in line. The Russian, Chinese, Indian and Iranian people are more at risk; I imagine the million or so Pakistanis in the UK will be somewhat concerned as well.
Posted by: Dennis, Florida on 2:33pm Mon 31 Dec 07
Uhh, the Special Forces of the U.S. are always on alert. The contingency plans for this started the day after the Paks popped their first nuke and have been updated regularly as well as plans for Israeli nukes, South African Nukes and the makings of nukes in other countries thought to be less than stable. This is not news.

As for the comment by the Pakistani that their country of millions stand ready the repel an invasion, that lacks any creditability what so ever. You could not protect Bhutto and you cannot even capture the bandit Bin Laden who operates and dwells within your borders.
Posted by: Rhyno327/lrsd, Zamboanga City, Mindinao, Phillipines on 3:26pm Mon 31 Dec 07
You better believe JSOC has a contingency for this. This will be a combined task force, made up from Operators from every branch of the armed services. They will need firepower, they will strike in the dark, and i believe ALL those facilities are being watched right now. I wonder wat conventional unit will be charged with dealing with the 10,000 that guard these sites. There is no doubt the XVIII Airborne Corps is up to the task. Godspeed boys, it may be a 1 way trip. Those inept p-stanis will never know wat hit them, but they will recover. How do we get our people out ?
Posted by: Bill, England, freehootsman on 3:35pm Mon 31 Dec 07
Rhyno327/lrsd wrote:
You better believe JSOC has a contingency for this. This will be a combined task force, made up from Operators from every branch of the armed services. They will need firepower, they will strike in the dark, and i believe ALL those facilities are being watched right now. I wonder wat conventional unit will be charged with dealing with the 10,000 that guard these sites. There is no doubt the XVIII Airborne Corps is up to the task. Godspeed boys, it may be a 1 way trip. Those inept p-stanis will never know wat hit them, but they will recover. How do we get our people out ?
You have to be joking. If you go in other than with the express permission of the Pakistani armed forces, you will achieve nothing.
Posted by: Rhyno327/lrsd, Zamboanga City, Mindinao, Phillipines on 3:52pm Mon 31 Dec 07
James Currie wrote:
This scary article shows us again the spectacular failure of US policies and indeed of the US. They've been sending billions in military aid to an unstable country in a dangerous area. Now they're making making provisional plans to attack upto ten high security Pakistani bases in the event of a civil war. You're joking of course! They can't even find Osama, do they expect to roll over a well trained Pakistani army (well supplied with American arms)? Americans have been watching too many Hollywood movies or more likely they're smoking too much hash! The Sunday Herald's poll question asked "are you optimistic about 2008". Seriously, I'm just hoping the World can survive one more year of this clown Bush and his 'Darth Vader' VP Cheney.
The Administration may have failed the American people, but the military has not. You must be watching movies instead of reading the news, or researching before you go popping off. The P-stani military is INEPT. Where you been? They get hammered every time they TRY and conduct ops against the islamofacists in thier country. Why do you think Musharraff ceded those NWFP"S to our enemies instead of fighting? Ur full of cow chips my friend, and lay off the Molsons and that Canadian Club, it clouds ur judgement. You should be ashamed, ur countrymen are kickin' azz over there, shame we don't have 5,000 more. As for Bush & Co, they have f'd up the REAL mission, and this a-stan business should be coming to a close. Guess not coz we went into Iraq.
Posted by: Bob Smith, Chicago on 5:21pm Mon 31 Dec 07
The end of the world as we know it is on the event horizon.

A seventh century death cult is close to having a nuclear bomb. And myopic weenies worry about the big bad USA.

Get a grip. What do you want? A Belsan, Madrid, London, Bali or other with a nuke.

When the fruitcake Islamists get the bomb, you better hope you are upwind.
Posted by: sam, greenock on 5:21pm Mon 31 Dec 07
Rhyno327/lrsd wrote:
James Currie wrote: This scary article shows us again the spectacular failure of US policies and indeed of the US. They've been sending billions in military aid to an unstable country in a dangerous area. Now they're making making provisional plans to attack upto ten high security Pakistani bases in the event of a civil war. You're joking of course! They can't even find Osama, do they expect to roll over a well trained Pakistani army (well supplied with American arms)? Americans have been watching too many Hollywood movies or more likely they're smoking too much hash! The Sunday Herald's poll question asked "are you optimistic about 2008". Seriously, I'm just hoping the World can survive one more year of this clown Bush and his 'Darth Vader' VP Cheney.
The Administration may have failed the American people, but the military has not. You must be watching movies instead of reading the news, or researching before you go popping off. The P-stani military is INEPT. Where you been? They get hammered every time they TRY and conduct ops against the islamofacists in thier country. Why do you think Musharraff ceded those NWFP"S to our enemies instead of fighting? Ur full of cow chips my friend, and lay off the Molsons and that Canadian Club, it clouds ur judgement. You should be ashamed, ur countrymen are kickin' azz over there, shame we don't have 5,000 more. As for Bush & Co, they have f'd up the REAL mission, and this a-stan business should be coming to a close. Guess not coz we went into Iraq.
Rhyno(numbnuts)
How many friendlies will yer army kill in the process of liberating the nukes, look how the Iraqis and the Vietnamese welcomed you.
You redneck imbeciles will never learn will you.............don'
t forget to take the democracy pills with you, maybe the "p-stannies" will like that..............se
cond thoughts why don't you just fek off.
Posted by: mako, connecticut on 6:50pm Mon 31 Dec 07
Ur right Samie of greenock....we should just adopt the do-nothing policies of europe.....let's see, say we have to kill 500 to potentially save a million or so....geez, it just don't add up. dipshit.
Posted by: jayef, Greer, SC on 7:02pm Mon 31 Dec 07
Fortunately for James and Andrew, the adults are still in charge for now and are willing to risk blood and treasure to keep you safe in your socialist cradles and at your next anti-American march.
Posted by: JP DUGURRE, FRANKFORT, KY on 7:30pm Mon 31 Dec 07
So much to correct here, so little space...

#1) Pakistan has always been a mess--long before the US made them a partner in the War on Terror. The US is not responsible for the recent assassination of Bhutto, Al-Qaeda is. I'm sure that the blame America first crowd can figure out a way to blame America first, of course. Pakistan should not have been allowed to go Nuclear DURING THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION.

#2) The reason we can't find Bin Laden is b/c we don't know where he is. We do know where the nukes are, so we can get them. If anyone in cyberspace thinks they are more capable of finding Bin Laden than the US military/intel services, please do so. There is a $25 million bounty on his head. Looking for Bin Laden will take away from your "hate the US and Bush administration" blogging time, but that's ok.

#3) The nuclear weapons of the US, THAT PROTECTED THE ENTIRE FREE WORLD DURING THE COLD WAR INCLUDING CANADA AND THE UK, are perfectly secure and our leaders are sane, thank you for asking.

#4)Time for a review. The US helped defeat Nazisim and Japanese imperialism during WWII. If we hadn't Germany would have taken over all of Europe/Japan much of Asia and the world would be a much different and worse place. The US did most of the heavy lifting during the Cold War. AND, WHAT A SURPRISE, the US is doing the vast, vast majority of the heavy lifting in the War on Terror as well. The world owes the US more than the US owes the world. YOU'RE WELCOME.

#5) If innocent civilians are killed in Iraq by Americans--it is an accident. They are killed intentially by the terrorists. Learn the difference.

#6)Now, may I offer any of any you anti-Americans/anti-


Bush people a big cup of shut the heck up?
Posted by: EdiV, Glasgow on 8:01pm Mon 31 Dec 07
#1) Pakistan has always been a mess--long before the US made them a partner in the War on Terror. The US is not responsible for the recent assassination of Bhutto, Al-Qaeda is. I'm sure that the blame America first crowd can figure out a way to blame America first, of course. Pakistan should not have been allowed to go Nuclear DURING THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION.

Correct to some extent but you fail to acknowledge the reasons why they went Nuclear, namely India having Nuclear Weapons created an imbalance of power that drove Pakistan towards developing its own. This is the same principal that led to the madness called the Cold War.

#2) The reason we can't find Bin Laden is b/c we don't know where he is. We do know where the nukes are, so we can get them. If anyone in cyberspace thinks they are more capable of finding Bin Laden than the US military/intel services, please do so. There is a $25 million bounty on his head. Looking for Bin Laden will take away from your "hate the US and Bush administration" blogging time, but that's ok.

Wrong. The US and in particular Rumsfeld did not commit enough forces to the Afghan conflict, exactly the same mistake was made with Iraq. Believe he thought that smaller and more mobile forces would solve all problems, a view disputed by most of his Generals. This is what happens when you let a politician take control over military planning. It's especially worse when he is a coward who dodged fighting any wars and prefers to send troops to their deaths. Others include: President Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Libby, Pearle etc.
Also irrespective of the reward offered are you now suggesting that the US expects the average person to find Bin Laden even though they let him get away. Think you need to stop reading pulp fiction from the Wild West era and try living in reality.

#3) The nuclear weapons of the US, THAT PROTECTED THE ENTIRE FREE WORLD DURING THE COLD WAR INCLUDING CANADA AND THE UK, are perfectly secure and our leaders are sane, thank you for asking.

Read the history of your country. Nixon wanted to use Nukes and had to be stopped by Kissinger. And to suggest that the current President of the US has his faculties, I would always be wary about a man who advocates the teaching of Creationism as scientific fact to kids in school.

#4)Time for a review. The US helped defeat Nazisim and Japanese imperialism during WWII. If we hadn't Germany would have taken over all of Europe/Japan much of Asia and the world would be a much different and worse place. The US did most of the heavy lifting during the Cold War. AND, WHAT A SURPRISE, the US is doing the vast, vast majority of the heavy lifting in the War on Terror as well. The world owes the US more than the US owes the world. YOU'RE WELCOME.

Yes you did but not for the noble gestures that you claim. The US used WW2 as a business transaction. Support given on the basis of loans and other conditions (read the history). Also you relied on European support during the Cold War as you eventually realised that if Europe fell to the Russians you would be alone in the fight. At least read the history of the conflicts before adopting the 'if it weren't for us you'd all be speaking German' mantra.

#5) If innocent civilians are killed in Iraq by Americans--it is an accident. They are killed intentially by the terrorists. Learn the difference.

Aah the old we're noble in our intentions tripe. Why don't you ask an Iraqi who has lost their family have they learned the difference?

#6)Now, may I offer any of any you anti-Americans/anti-
Bush people a big cup of shut the heck up?

You've just summed up the problem with US politics. You venerate your President to such an extent that any criticism is viewed as unpatriotic or anti-american. You can criticise the politician and still love your country - Blind loyalty and unquestioning devotion to one man and his flawed policies is unpatriotic and an affront to those who died in the name of freedom.

Posted by: Ilene Jones, USA on 8:02pm Mon 31 Dec 07
Ahh-the old blame the Americans addage. Great to see how so many other capable countries-i.e. CANADA, are supporting the "find the nuclear weapons cause." Thanks for the support guys! Hope everyone who wrote an insult against America has had to either serve in a military capacity or had a loved one serve. Don't knock the American mission unless you've suported the cause yourself.
Posted by: leroy, Canada on 8:04pm Mon 31 Dec 07
JP you were johnny-come-latelies in both world wars and only moved in when your country saw an economic advantage. Quit your whing and bragging and go to hell.
Posted by: JP DUGURRE, FRANKFORT, KY on 8:41pm Mon 31 Dec 07
Leroy,

So let me get this straight, you only favor American intervention when it helps Europe, the UK and her possessions? Like Canada for instance? But when it actually benefits American interests you have a problem with that? You curse the very country that protected you during the Cold War? HOW DARE YOU! Get a clue and give credit where credit is due. And no America will not stop bragging, the world and Canada (America's Hat) owe us too much.
Posted by: Dennis, Florida on 8:45pm Mon 31 Dec 07
All of our Canadian "friends" need to be mindful of the fact that Nuclear detonations in Chicago, Boston, New York, Seattle, Minneapolis et al on the Northern tier of the U.S. will lead to the death of millions of Canadians due to fall-out, you see boys fall-out doesn't stop at the border and ask for permission. We have a vested interest in the disposition of the Pakis nukes, but then so do you.

While we here in the bad old US of A realized that the largely feminzed population of Canada will be of little use in any military operation requiring "going and doing" as opposed to parades for the opening of Parliment, we would like to see you chaps at least stand by quietly and hold our coats while we get the job done.

So in the nicest most polite terms possible, kindly hold your tounges while the adults do what needs to be done, there will be time afterwords for Monday morning quarterbacking with the Pakis nukes are secure.
Posted by: Jimmy of the North, Edinburgh on 8:55pm Mon 31 Dec 07
Some very funny comments on here about who actually armed Pakistan with illegal Weapons of Mass Destruction, t'was the US of A. Again some feeble excuses and buck passing on Alqaeda. the USA has never been seeking OBL and his band of brigands they have simply been using them as virtual shields as they too pass the buck for unanswerable questions. Pakistan's evil dictator has learned some lessons from the USA and used Alqaeda as scape-goats in their plot to stop any chance of democracy breaking out there. They are supported in their diktat by every press agency and even our own dear Prime Minister Brown has supported Musharraf's evil regime by calling for Pakistanis to accept their lot without protest, demonstration or marches? This passivity suits some other leaders in their dodgy elections too so the Americans here should not be lecturing or threatening other nations.
Posted by: JP DUGUREE, FRANKFORT, KY on 9:03pm Mon 31 Dec 07
EDiV,

#1

True, the Pakis did go nuclear b/c India did, but India did in the 1970s and the world should have done more then to stop this. Even so, letting Pak go nucleart is the biggest foreign policy disaster of the late 20 century. Pakistan would be a much smaller problem today if it didn't have nukes. Yes, the Cold War was no walk in the park, but it was better than another hot convential war fought in Europe.

#2) Clinton missed chances to get Bin Laden during his administration. I don't find your use of hindsight to tell us what we should have done at all impressive. We should have done this instead of that. Wow, no kidding? I live in reality. Within which the US saved the UK during WWII.

#3) The world at large has much more to fear from Islamofacists the US. What exactly have the Islamofacists done for the world?

#4) Wrong. We did it because we knew we might be next if Europe fell and it was the right thing to do. And if it wasn't for us, you would all be speaking German. Yes, we were partners in the Cold War in Europe, but the UK was not in Vietnam, but it should have been.

#5) Yes, wars are painful for the generation that live through them. Wars are for the next generation. I hope that a secular, capitalistic, democracy emerges in Iraq and and spreads throughout the Middle East as it did in Europe/Pacific post WWII. What do you hope for? Us to fail in Iraq so you can say "we told you so?"

#6) You guys have been snide and condescending so I will be snide and condescending. Can I interest any of you anti-US/Bushies a cup of shut the heck up?
Posted by: I'm no really here on 9:44pm Mon 31 Dec 07
Do you think the US Special Forces were on High Alert on May 3rd/4th just in case Sir Ek and Nicola decided to highjack the WMD on Scottish Soil and drop them on the offices of all the Scottish Newspapers??

Happy New Year!!!!
Posted by: leroy, Canada on 9:53pm Mon 31 Dec 07
Dennis- This is why you yanks are going to lose this war. You go around bad-mouthing everybody, blustering hate from yourc omfy armchairs then whining everybody hates us. You can't even bring America into agreement because you slam each other. Pitiful inbred navel-gazing hillbilly freaks. Go to hell.
Posted by: Ima Lumberjack, Moosehead Canada on 10:15pm Mon 31 Dec 07
Dennis from Florida is right. We Canadians have let our armed forces go downhill. The UK is but an islamic country itself and their inhabitants leave in droves to make way for immigrants. Their navy can even fend off the Iranians.

Europe won't do anything but appease so I hope America takes the good fight to the terrorists. All you Europeans can whine and drown in your liberal political correctness.
Posted by: Adam on 10:33pm Mon 31 Dec 07
James, the Pakistanis have our full cooperation. They wouldn't try to prevent us from taking the WMDs from imminent capture unless somehow Al-Qaeda managed to infiltrate the entire Pakistani army, which you know as well as I do, would be impossible. In no way has America shot itself in the foot.
Posted by: mako, connecticut on 10:37pm Mon 31 Dec 07
hey leroy, news flash.....

we ain't losin' ****....the tide has turned, and Bush will be proved right when history is written.
Posted by: mako, connecticut on 10:39pm Mon 31 Dec 07
Hey Jimmy from north edinburgh....

what the **** has scotland every done?
Posted by: pattie o mags, good old US OF A on 10:49pm Mon 31 Dec 07
Lets not be blinded here people. Dont forget about the two most powerful families in the free world! The Rockefellers and the Rothschilds which both fall under the secret society The Bilderbergers. Not to mention Both Bush and Kerry belong to the Skull and Bones society so if it wasn't going to be Bush as President it was going to be Kerry and we would still have this war reguardless. Nothing happens in the world with those two families hand in the middle of it.
Posted by: leroy, Canada on 10:52pm Mon 31 Dec 07
Scotland forever ! Kick the feck outa him, Jimmy.
Posted by: o mags, us on 12:01am Tue 1 Jan 08
Hey guys, lets not forget what Canada is mostly made up of. They are mostly made up of americas weak and an attempt of france to become a super power so its no wonder they hate the U.S. Why is Canada even speaking! When they can contribute to this world then maybe.
Posted by: Pompous Priest, Vatican City on 12:39am Tue 1 Jan 08
Loud-mouthed, ignorant, obnoxious yanks invading the comments section of Scotland's Quality National Newspaper.

Just like they like to invade and take over countries as well...

The 'good old' US of A IS THE PROBLEM!!

Muppetts.
Posted by: joesixpack31, USA on 1:03am Tue 1 Jan 08
Condaleeza says: the US was "prepared to try to deal with it (the nuke thing.)".

The incompetance is overwhelming. The US is always "prepared to try to deal" with everything...particu
larly where it has NO BUSINESS and usually on the wrong side of issues...and generally without success.
Posted by: Ima Lumberjack, Moosehead Canada on 1:30am Tue 1 Jan 08
What's the EU ever done? The US had to come and clean up the messes in your backyard cause your militaries are pathetic. The UK is the EU like it or not and your national flag should be white.

Scotland's contribution to the world..the loch ness Monster...whoo hoo.
Posted by: O MAGS, GOOD OLD US OF A on 1:44am Tue 1 Jan 08
Its not the paper that I am invading its the people like you that think you know everything and spread your hate. Why dont you join the Al-Qaeda if you hate freedom and western views and lets see how far you get. Whats with this yank stuff. Whats a yank? Try an American. As for putting our business where it doesn't belong! It belongs everywhere becuase we are the only counrty to do anything about anything. I dont see any other country putting soldiers in ****'s to protect the Nukes! You must be one of those americans that were weak and went to canada
Posted by: Angus Podgorny, Aberdeen Scotland on 1:56am Tue 1 Jan 08
The yanks are right. I wish the EU had the ability to go in and secure or destroy the nukes, but we don't. We can't even muster much of a navy or fighting force anymore. Thanks America.

PS-Don't listen to these young UKers, they are euroweenies now taught to appease, not to stand and fight.
Posted by: RightSide, Buffalo N.Y U.S.A. on 2:10am Tue 1 Jan 08
To JP and EdiV: Thanks for saying in an eloquent and FACTUAL manner, what I wanted to say. Some of these people with their criticisms about the United States should read a few history books. Then maybe we could have a real conversation instead of "Bush lied people died" idiotic bullshit spew.
Also, there is actually a significant portion of British and Canadians that DON'T hate the United States.
Posted by: RightSide, Buffalo N.Y U.S.A. on 2:43am Tue 1 Jan 08
I woud like to add in my previous post to EdiV: What I really wanted to say to you was that I appreciate that you do have quite a bit more intellect than some of your Canadian offspring here. However, I have to completely disagree with you concerning the " madness called the Cold War."

Stalin had complete control over the U.S.S.R. at the end of WW II. I'm sure you would agree he would have over-run all of Europe if there was no Normandy invasion. Even after the war he tried an incursion into Iran. He stopped short of a complete occupation mainly because Truman said NO! Therefore the U.S. and the rest of Western Europe really had no choice in the escalation of the Cold War if they wanted to survive.
Posted by: o mags, usa on 3:08am Tue 1 Jan 08
We have the ameruroweenies in the United States too. Fortunately 3/4 of Americans understand what needs to be done and we also understand that not all British and Canadians hate the U.S. Dont worry world we are like the UPS, when everyone is sleeping we will deliver.
Posted by: D. Alexander, Dallas, Texas on 3:24am Tue 1 Jan 08
What the "useful idiots" in the West can never understand is that this war with Muslim terrorists is for keeps. There is only one winner and the loser will be given two choices: bow the knee to Allah or be shortened above the shoulders.

I think that in an emergency such as we have brewing here, than anyone who gives aid and comfor to the enemy should be rounded up and imprisioned or better yet, shot. Starting with Sean Penn.
Posted by: o mags, usa on 3:30am Tue 1 Jan 08
To add to your cold war topic; Patton wanted to take out USSR after the war ended. Imagine what the world would be like if no USSR!
Posted by: Jim, USA on 6:21am Tue 1 Jan 08
Yeah we have no business seizing the nukes right because the Islamo-nutbags will only target Bush supporting Americans and leave the rest of u idiots alone right. Get a clue...the minute these morons went nuclear, we had plans to seize em if things went bad. I'm sure the Indians are doing the same thing. And please don't ever compare **** or any other forces to that of America..the rest are all chidlren playing at war. Seizinga few airbases will prove alot easier then subduing 100 armed Taliban i the Hindu Kush.
Posted by: Tom, So Calif on 6:46am Tue 1 Jan 08
I hope the USA has contigency plans to invade Canada and seize all the fruits n nuts up there, only problem is where to place them.
Posted by: leroy, Seattle, Washington on 7:15am Tue 1 Jan 08
Too late..we already invaded you.
Posted by: Harry from Iowa, Iowa on 5:13pm Tue 1 Jan 08
Lots of blame and whining going on here. Where are the solutions?
Posted by: EdiV, Glasgow on 5:22pm Tue 1 Jan 08
#1)True, the Pakis did go nuclear b/c India did, but India did in the 1970s and the world should have done more then to stop this. Even so, letting Pak go nucleart is the biggest foreign policy disaster of the late 20 century. Pakistan would be a much smaller problem today if it didn't have nukes. Yes, the Cold War was no walk in the park, but it was better than another hot convential war fought in Europe.

Beg to differ on this. Invading Iraq on the premise of a lie and destabilising the Mid East has to be the worst foreign policy decision of the last generation. That coupled with the election of Bush, the most divisive and radical US president since Nixon is a close second. The election (coup detat) of Bush was also one of the worst, his brand of base politics - appealing to the God, Guns and Gays demographic has destroyed US politics.

#2) Clinton missed chances to get Bin Laden during his administration. I don't find your use of hindsight to tell us what we should have done at all impressive. We should have done this instead of that. Wow, no kidding? I live in reality. Within which the US saved the UK during WWII.

Hindsight? Sorry this wasn't hindsight but the result of one man's arrogance, read the background and critique of Rummy - he didn't listen to any of his generals and acted as though he was Napoleon, master tactician and planner. This isn't about hindsight it's about accountability, something that has been lost within politics on both sides of the Atlantic.
And about saving us, what was the fee? Have you done your homework? Lend Lease, access to trade with the Commonwealth and installing the dollar as the international standard currency will steer you in the right direction. In other words this we're noble nonsense is a lie - you were only in it for what you could get out of it. How low does that make a nation? Holding another to ransom while they are the vanguard against Facism - the last true fight between good and evil and you set preconditions before you'd join the good fight? Read the FACTS then come back...

#3) The world at large has much more to fear from Islamofacists the US. What exactly have the Islamofacists done for the world?

The is currently a war of Fundamentalisms and I fear those crazy Islamists (Islamofascists? you must watch Fox News) equally as much as I fear the Christian Fundamentalists who have hijacked US politics.

#4) Wrong. We did it because we knew we might be next if Europe fell and it was the right thing to do. And if it wasn't for us, you would all be speaking German. Yes, we were partners in the Cold War in Europe, but the UK was not in Vietnam, but it should have been.

And if it wasn't for the French, you wouldn't have independence. And if it wasn't for us you would be speaking Japanese. At least our assistance didn't have financial preconditions attached to it. Therefore you didn't help because it was right, you did it with conditions that ensured US financical dominance in the Post War World. Don't know if you're aware of a fine American called Bill Hicks. He did this gag where he's asked by a waitress in a Diner 'What you reading for' and he replied 'well I've never been asked that before but I suppose I'm reading so that I don't end up becoming a f**king waffle waitress'. Suggest you try the reading thing and stop believing everything that Fox News brainwashes you with.

#5) Yes, wars are painful for the generation that live through them. Wars are for the next generation. I hope that a secular, capitalistic, democracy emerges in Iraq and and spreads throughout the Middle East as it did in Europe/Pacific post WWII. What do you hope for? Us to fail in Iraq so you can say "we told you so?"

I want exactly that but more so. I want a future where the leaders of my country are intelligent enough to know the history, culture and customs of people. They then use this knowledge to assist in the planning of any interaction with these people based on achieving a common goal and mutually beneficial relationship. In lay terms I want people that have brains to be in charge of my country, not cretins like Blair and Bush who falsely engineered a war that we didn't have to fight; mismanaged the post war planning; had no understanding of the culture of the prople who we are trying to democratise; based our strategy on an array of myopic and xenophobic assertions that we would be seen as liberators and welcomed; delivered those same people into the hands of Al-Quida and spent the last four years trying to sort out the consequences of our assumptions.
I would also like to live in a world where our leaders are held accountable for their actions, something that hasn't happened in the last decade in US and UK politics.
Finally, I have family serving in Iraq at the moment and I certainly don't play silly partisan games and hope our troops lose., I wish they weren't there in the 1st place and guys like Bush and Blair were in the Hague for embarking on this illegal war.

#6) You guys have been snide and condescending so I will be snide and condescending. Can I interest any of you anti-US/Bushies a cup of shut the heck up?

Think you suffer from that dissociation thing where you can't distinguish between the person and the office, namely your own President. You can criticise the actions of a man in a position of power and still respect the position and what is represents.
Your constant reference to Anti-Bushies implies that you are pro Bush, watch Fox News, believe the Earth was created in 6 days and have a wife and sister who are in fact the same person. GOD BLESS AMERICA
Posted by: Leroy, Canada on 5:46pm Tue 1 Jan 08
In spite of my tongue-in-cheek blasting of Americans I exagerate. Most Americans I know are quite nice and often very intelligent. I met one man, a grandpa from Wisconsin visiting Manitoba. It took awhile before he brought up the present political situation. He had a son who had died in Vietnam and a grandson serving in Iraq. Once he started the floodgates opened. In Wisconsin, he said, he and anyone else kept their mouths shut about politics. Was he afraid of the government ? Nope, he was afraid of his fellow citizens.

During Canada's last election we had the unprecedented spectacle of an American ambassador advising the Canadian public who to vote for ! Amazing gall. We watched Americans booing canada on O'Reilly's Fox show, our troops are in Afghanistan doing very well, but when the victims of American freindly fire we were treated like we deserved it. American politicians disregard for international law merely encourages every American to take the law into their own hands (see sean Penn commment above.) If laws don't apply to Bush or Cheney why should they apply to anyone?

Yes I truly think America is going to come very close to losing their war on terror. Nobody cares anymore- America has lost moral standing in the world and not because of Britney Spears its your law-breaking leaders that are dragging you down and the rest of us with you.
Posted by: Cadence Storm, London on 5:49pm Tue 1 Jan 08
Something that I find facinating is that the Liberals in Canada and the US are exactly of the same mentality. Yet, when the conservatives were voted into office in Canada the Liberals chanted about how much Stephen Harper was akin to G.W. Bush! On both sides of the border it is the Liberals who want to appease our enemies, it is the Liberals who want to blame the west for the world's problems, it is the Liberals who want to throw money at corrupt governments ... as long as it's not their money, it is the liberals who value the rights of criminals and terrorists above the rights of our own soldiers and citizenry, it is the Liberals who have lost all sense of morality, it is the Liberals who in spite of what they say .. are anti-family .. it shows in their actions and the things that they support, it is the Liberals who are against God unless that diety's name is Allah! It is the Liberals who demand separation of church and state unless it is concerning Muslim prayer rooms in schools or Muslim foot-baths in public buildings, it is the Liberals who are in support of sexual freedom and so-called liberation and thereby demand that the result (the explosion of fatherless children) be supported by the tax-payer (again as long as it's not their money), it is the Liberals who fail to realize that the reasons the radicals hate us so much is due to their immorality and support of all that this entails!
Find out where these dandies are leading us .. read The Cadence Prophecies .. available through http://www.conservat

ivestorm.com .. Scary Stuff!
Posted by: leroy, Canada on 6:24pm Tue 1 Jan 08
I always vote Conservative. Harper would have probably got a majority if it hadn't been for American Celluci's meddling in our democratic process. Harper himself said it wasn't very helpful. Canadians are not sheep.
Posted by: EdiV, Glasgow on 6:30pm Tue 1 Jan 08
Candence Storm.

Are you Ann Coulter's and Karl Rove's lovechild?
Posted by: ron, AZ on 8:29pm Tue 1 Jan 08
andrew wrote:
Is anyone on standby to seize or disable the USA's nuclear weapons if their leaders go mad?
TO THIS IDIOT JERK WE GO MAD??? GO BACK TO YOUR MUSLIM COUNTRY IF YOU THINK WE!!!! AMERICA IS MAD
Posted by: Russ, Ariz. on 9:29pm Tue 1 Jan 08
Special Forces
always ready? Kinda doubt it. Where were U.S. Special Forces before Pakistan implemented nukes? Where were Russian Special Forces in their neighboring country of India before they developed nukes? Where are Russian, U.S., and China's
Special Forces
while Iran is trying make nukes? During a period of nuclear scale-downs between Superpowers, it would appear that the worlds' special forces and special governments aren't so
Special
after all...
Posted by: steveh, Las vegas on 9:47pm Tue 1 Jan 08
You Canadians make me sick. You wouldn't make a pimple on An American's ****. Wussies all of you are wussies. Just take a look at Canadian football Ha, Ha, Ha, please stay up there in your freezer we don't want you down here.
Posted by: Dark Helmet, hometown USA on 10:11pm Tue 1 Jan 08
America leads, stands at the front and bears the most bullets for the rest of you who are so much less.

Fear the day when she let's the rest of you deal with your own problems. You will all die.
Posted by: Brad Allen, San Jose, California on 10:23pm Tue 1 Jan 08