
‘We can adapt to global warming’
It would be cheaper and more effective for the world to adapt to global warming rather than fight it, scientists said yesterday.
The scientists - including Mike Hulme, the founding director of the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research at the University of East Anglia - accept the consensus on the causes and effects of climate change, but differ on what to do about it.
Their view, which has caused them to be labelled "the new pariahs of global warming", is that the world should work to reduce hunger, storm damage and disease, rather than spending trillions of pounds trying to stabilise carbon dioxide levels.
Roger Pielke Jr, an environmental policy expert at the University of Colorado at Boulder, told the journal Natural Hazards Review: "Everything has been put on the back of carbon dioxide, and carbon dioxide cannot carry that weight. I would characterise us as realists. Realists on what is politically possible."
But many scientists believe downplaying the importance of emissions reductions is
dangerous.
Stephen Schneider, a climatologist at Stanford University, said: "You can't adapt to melting the Greenland ice sheet. You can't adapt to species that have gone extinct."
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Posted by: isonomia, Lenzie on 12:50am Thu 27 Mar 08
That is utter trash. Why is there any need to adapt to something that has stopped? Since 1998 global temperatures have been cooling to such an extent that January was the coldest month in 14 years and this century the average trend is -0.1C per decade. (See http://www.lenzie.or
g.uk/scam.php)
The fact is that even the mighty Met Office have found that global warming is consistently causing their global temperature forecasts to be wrong. Or to put it another way, every single one of their forecasts has been high and 75% disastrously high. The probability of that happening by pure chance is much much less than 1%, which is the same as saying we can be more than 99% certain that this model of global warming is completely wrong.
That is utter trash. Why is there any need to adapt to something that has stopped? Since 1998 global temperatures have been cooling to such an extent that January was the coldest month in 14 years and this century the average trend is -0.1C per decade. (See http://www.lenzie.or
g.uk/scam.php)
The fact is that even the mighty Met Office have found that global warming is consistently causing their global temperature forecasts to be wrong. Or to put it another way, every single one of their forecasts has been high and 75% disastrously high. The probability of that happening by pure chance is much much less than 1%, which is the same as saying we can be more than 99% certain that this model of global warming is completely wrong.
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 4:33pm Fri 28 Mar 08
I think spending our money on controlling and regulating carbon emissions is going to be a real rip off, We will create a new global economy where those that work in the new industry will make ridiculous salaries paid by our taxes, fees and fines. All the focus will be on car users and industry (actually a small proportion of all CO2 emissions). This seems more like a conspiracy to wean us off our reliance on petroleum then to make an impact on global warming.
I believe that global warming is happening, but that this is due to solar heating, part of the natural cycle, and we will not be able to influence it anyway. So why waste our money - adapt!
I think spending our money on controlling and regulating carbon emissions is going to be a real rip off, We will create a new global economy where those that work in the new industry will make ridiculous salaries paid by our taxes, fees and fines. All the focus will be on car users and industry (actually a small proportion of all CO2 emissions). This seems more like a conspiracy to wean us off our reliance on petroleum then to make an impact on global warming.
I believe that global warming is happening, but that this is due to solar heating, part of the natural cycle, and we will not be able to influence it anyway. So why waste our money - adapt!
Posted by: ubergeek, glasgow on 1:38pm Sun 30 Mar 08
You may belive its is sloar heating accounting for global warming, but the evidence contradicts this. And a one off cold period cannot offset the steady rise in global temperatures seen over decades.
You may belive its is sloar heating accounting for global warming, but the evidence contradicts this. And a one off cold period cannot offset the steady rise in global temperatures seen over decades.
Posted by: ubergeek, glasgow on 1:38pm Sun 30 Mar 08
You may belive its is sloar heating accounting for global warming, but the evidence contradicts this. And a one off cold period cannot offset the steady rise in global temperatures seen over decades.
You may belive its is sloar heating accounting for global warming, but the evidence contradicts this. And a one off cold period cannot offset the steady rise in global temperatures seen over decades.
Posted by: Big Al, Glasgow on 8:41pm Sun 30 Mar 08
Whilst we may disagree on why the world is heating up, it appears to be doing so. This happened in the medeval period, where we had temperatures and weather to support growing crops associated with the medeterrainian region. The Earth has had many other periods of much warmer temperatures then we currently envision.
My problem though is that unless action is quick and unilateral, it aint gonna make a blind bit of difference , other than vast tax expenditure. We still cut the lungs out of the planet and consume ever more energy as the rest of the world decides that they too want all the mod-cons the West has enjoyed for decades. - So how quick is it going to happen?
Whilst we may disagree on why the world is heating up, it appears to be doing so. This happened in the medeval period, where we had temperatures and weather to support growing crops associated with the medeterrainian region. The Earth has had many other periods of much warmer temperatures then we currently envision.
My problem though is that unless action is quick and unilateral, it aint gonna make a blind bit of difference , other than vast tax expenditure. We still cut the lungs out of the planet and consume ever more energy as the rest of the world decides that they too want all the mod-cons the West has enjoyed for decades. - So how quick is it going to happen?
Posted by: Tom Begg, Lochwinnoch on 9:45pm Sun 30 Mar 08
At last; a little bit of commonsense.
The global warming bandwagon has become a political movement. Like the Emperor’s new clothes it is heresy to speak against it. It matters not if the planet is warming or cooling, it matters not if we are causing it or not. It is the waste of resources trying to Canute a tide that may or not be coming in that matters most.
There is so much contradictory evidence for both sides, in the ice cores, the sunspot records and in the likes of the Vikings colonising Greenland many centuries ago when the climate was warmer than it is now, that allows sceptics to remain sceptics.
As a tour guide who relates our history, geography, geology and social facts to our tourist visitors I am conscious we are still coming out an ice age, that in recent times (6000BC) Britain was joined by many thousands of square miles to Europe and what is now Kilbirnie, was once on a beach, on an island that subsequently became Renfrewshire heights. Nothing is stable on this planet.
Over Easter, I took over a dozen young Indian visitors, working in London, on a tour of Skye. During the freezing nights there, when the conversation turned as it can to Global Warming some said it was a price worth paying, if we are causing it, to live in a modern world. Why should we slow down development, a natural result of putting artificial brakes on the use of energy?
They too agreed with Mike Hulme thinking we should ‘adapt to global warming rather than fight it’. I too would agree that we should ‘work to reduce hunger, storm damage and disease, rather than spending trillions of pounds trying to stabilise carbon dioxide levels’.
We have a highly complex world where nations are intertwined with nations, to tinker with it artificially by unadvised restrictions may cause a collapse of society worse than the effects that some believe Global Warming may bring.
At last; a little bit of commonsense.
The global warming bandwagon has become a political movement. Like the Emperor’s new clothes it is heresy to speak against it. It matters not if the planet is warming or cooling, it matters not if we are causing it or not. It is the waste of resources trying to Canute a tide that may or not be coming in that matters most.
There is so much contradictory evidence for both sides, in the ice cores, the sunspot records and in the likes of the Vikings colonising Greenland many centuries ago when the climate was warmer than it is now, that allows sceptics to remain sceptics.
As a tour guide who relates our history, geography, geology and social facts to our tourist visitors I am conscious we are still coming out an ice age, that in recent times (6000BC) Britain was joined by many thousands of square miles to Europe and what is now Kilbirnie, was once on a beach, on an island that subsequently became Renfrewshire heights. Nothing is stable on this planet.
Over Easter, I took over a dozen young Indian visitors, working in London, on a tour of Skye. During the freezing nights there, when the conversation turned as it can to Global Warming some said it was a price worth paying, if we are causing it, to live in a modern world. Why should we slow down development, a natural result of putting artificial brakes on the use of energy?
They too agreed with Mike Hulme thinking we should ‘adapt to global warming rather than fight it’. I too would agree that we should ‘work to reduce hunger, storm damage and disease, rather than spending trillions of pounds trying to stabilise carbon dioxide levels’.
We have a highly complex world where nations are intertwined with nations, to tinker with it artificially by unadvised restrictions may cause a collapse of society worse than the effects that some believe Global Warming may bring.
